NOTE: You can read my USA Today debate reaction opinion piece here.
That was one weird town hall for Mitt Romney (transcript), as this one is was an easy win for Barack Obama. Mittens gave some really poor answers to some of the questions – try the epic #FAIL on gender pay equity — he continues to refuse to say whether he supported the Lily Ledbetter Act. How basic is it to support equal pay for equal work? Well, since Mittens wouldn’t say, he went off on a tangent about creating job opportunities for women in a bizarre statement:
And I — and I went to my staff, and I said, “How come all the people for these jobs are — are all men.” They said, “Well, these are the people that have the qualifications.” And I said, “Well, gosh, can’t we — can’t we find some — some women that are also qualified?”
And — and so we — we took a concerted effort to go out and find women who had backgrounds that could be qualified to become members of our cabinet.
I went to a number of women’s groups and said, “Can you help us find folks,” and they brought us whole binders full of women.
That’s already being parodied – see the Tumblr site Binders Full of Women. Lilly Ledbetter reacted to this:
“Mitt Romney’s solution on leveling the playing field tonight was to point out he once had a binder full of women applicants. That binder didn’t help me at Goodyear, and it’s not helping the women across this country, making 77 cents for every dollar a man gets. If Romney was truly concerned about women in this economy, he’d take a stand against paycheck discrimination. Instead, he has remained silent and refused to speak out for equal pay for women and their families. Simply put, Romney doesn’t get it. But President Obama does and knows that when women make less than men for the same work, it threatens the economic security of entire families. President Obama has worked tirelessly to level the playing field for women because he understands that equal pay is not just a women’s issue, but an American issue.”
So I’m listening to some clueless women are on the MSNBC post-debate focus group. Two of them (leaning Romney) don’t know how they feel about his inability to declare support for equal pay for equal work. “Maybe he’ll say in the next debate,” said one. “Maybe it didn’t occur to him” said another. More evidence that critical thinking skills are absent in some of these undecideds.
Foot-in-mouth disease seemed to plague the former Massachusetts Governor as well. I don’t think it’s helpful if you want to court Latino voters to refer to undocumented immigrants as “illegals,” but it’s reflexive for him. The whole self-deportation laff-fest was a bonus, I don’t know how he said this with a straight face:
Now, let me mention one other thing, and that is self-deportation says let people make their own choice. What I was saying is, we’re not going to round up 12 million people, undocumented illegals, and take them out of the nation. Instead let people make their own choice. And if they — if they find that — that they can’t get the benefits here that they want and they can’t — and they can’t find the job they want, then they’ll make a decision to go a place where — where they have better opportunities.
But I’m not in favor of rounding up people and — and — and taking them out of this country. I am in favor, as the president has said, and I agree with him, which is that if people have committed crimes we got to get them out of this country.
And how about this for a self-inflicted wound…
ROMNEY: Just going to make a point. Any investments I have over the last eight years have been managed by a blind trust. And I understand they do include investments outside the United States, including in — in Chinese companies.
Mr. President, have you looked at your pension? Have you looked at your pension?
OBAMA: I’ve got to say…
ROMNEY: Mr. President, have you looked at your pension?
OBAMA: You know, I — I don’t look at my pension. It’s not as big as yours so it doesn’t take as long.
And in one of the night’s epic smackdowns, Romney was called on a lie by moderator Candy Crowley (who did a great job of balancing the audience questions and holding both candidates to the rules; Romney had the most difficult time adhering to them, attempting to interrupt, bully ad go off topic quite a few times). Here’s what it looks like to be fact-checked on live TV on the embassy attack in Libya (a subject he should have been able to capitalize on if he had been smart):
ROMNEY: You said in the Rose Garden the day after the attack, it was an act of terror.
It was not a spontaneous demonstration, is that what you’re saying?
OBAMA: Please proceed governor.
ROMNEY: I want to make sure we get that for the record because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror.
OBAMA: Get the transcript.
CROWLEY: It — it — it — he did in fact, sir. So let me — let me call it an act of terror…
OBAMA: Can you say that a little louder, Candy?
CROWLEY: He — he did call it an act of terror. It did as well take — it did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea there being a riot out there about this tape to come out. You are correct about that.
And yes, contraception came up again. And yes, womb-controlling Mitt Romney lied again.
ROMNEY: I’d just note that I don’t believe that bureaucrats in Washington should tell someone whether they can use contraceptives or not. And I don’t believe employers should tell someone whether they could have contraceptive care of not. Every woman in America should have access to contraceptives. And — and the — and the president’s statement of my policy is completely and totally wrong.
Nancy Keenan, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America:
“Mitt Romney has once again lied about his views on women’s access to birth control,” Keenan said. “Allow me to remind Mr. Romney of his support for the Blunt amendment, which would have allowed bosses to deny birth-control coverage to their employees; his promise to defund Planned Parenthood, which provides contraception to millions of Americans; and his statement that he would eliminate funding for Title X, the nation’s federal family-planning program. Women will not be fooled by Mitt Romney’s latest attempt to mislead the public about his anti-choice position.”
While LGBT issues didn’t come up this time, Mittens gave the President an opening for it when asked about addressing gun violence.
But let me mention another thing. And that is parents. We need moms and dads, helping to raise kids. Wherever possible the — the benefit of having two parents in the home, and that’s not always possible. A lot of great single moms, single dads. But gosh to tell our kids that before they have babies, they ought to think about getting married to someone, that’s a great idea.
Because if there’s a two parent family, the prospect of living in poverty goes down dramatically. The opportunities that the child will — will be able to achieve increase dramatically. So we can make changes in the way our culture works to help bring people away from violence and give them opportunity, and bring them in the American system.
You’d think someone this hell-bent on saving society from violence through two-parent families would advocate for marriage equality, no?
But back to another smackdown, this time on outsourcing and taxes and the Romney plan for the economic growth. The President was cruising and having fun on this one. I almost felt sorry for Mittens (nah, not really).
Governor Romney’s says he’s got a five-point plan? Governor Romney doesn’t have a five-point plan. He has a one-point plan. And that plan is to make sure that folks at the top play by a different set of rules. That’s been his philosophy in the private sector, that’s been his philosophy as governor, that’s been his philosophy as a presidential candidate.
You can make a lot of money and pay lower tax rates than somebody who makes a lot less. You can ship jobs overseas and get tax breaks for it. You can invest in a company, bankrupt it, lay off the workers, strip away their pensions, and you still make money.
That’s exactly the philosophy that we’ve seen in place for the last decade. That’s what’s been squeezing middle class families. And we have fought back for four years to get out of that mess. The last thing we need to do is to go back to the very same policies that got us there.




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The binder story was a lie too. In reality a bipartisan group prepared those files before the election to approach whomever would win. Then they went to Romney with suggestions. Romney didn’t seek anyone out. He also didn’t appoint women to important positions.
According to Josh Voorhees blog at Slate this morning (I cannot link it for some reason),
This statement:
is not an accurate statement.
Obama did a fine job, as did Crowley, but according to the rules, not so much for any of them, including the control room.
Yaaaay! Our team kills Pakistani women and children, but we won the debate!
Yaaay!
The three debates so far have actually raised the Romney-Ryan ticket to the level of credible alternative in a way it wasn’t before the first debate.
Here’s that link:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/10/17/town_hall_debate_rules_candy_crowley_barack_obama_mitt_romney_throw_rule.html
But Becca, you must have figured out that Ms. Spaulding is something of an Obama Idolator.
For the record: Obama clearly delineated why he was a step better than Romney on most issues BUT when he got all choked up in his closing statement about how Republicans keep trying to paint him as a socialist, that was–alas–the real Mr. Obama speaking. In his eyes, taming deficits are all about the future and our children–they get the guy misty-eyed. Jobs, killing little brown kids with drone bombs, keeping people from losing their homes–not so exciting.
Thanks Pam. Nice to relive those smack downs.
Allow me to publicly apologize for my very, very wrong prediction that Obama was going to stink up the joint last night. Apparently, he emerged from his bubble, looked at the damage done by his performance in Debate #1, and went after the target-rich environment known as Willard Mitt Romney.
That’s pretty interesting and provocative. Um…as they sometimes ask the R & R ticket, got any specifics?
No problem (and thanks for getting the link running – must be my network connection here).
I won’t go to the final of your statement. We know, constitutionally, that much of those valid complaints you have are not things the POTUS can directly affect. After two years of dealing with a Congress that refused to accept proposals from Obama, who based the proposals on the very things the GOP supported until Obama came out in favor of them, it is absolutely no surprise that nothing has been done on jobs and mortgage foreclosures.
Had Obama tried to do something through an executive order, the GOP masses would have been shrieking about how he’s over-stepped his constitutional authority (and they might’ve been right).
We are not in a dictatorship, where a President can just do whatever the heck [s]he wants. We are in a three-part government, where at least one of those parts refuses to do its constitutionally-authorized job in favor of a pact with an unelected goop who has unilaterally decided he can hold an entire wing of the party hostage to the total dis-regard of the good of the country.
Yeah, if anyone wants to fact-check that whole thing, just ask any political junkie in MA. It’s hard for them to decide where to start. Romney is sort of a wholesale liar.
As for the expressions like “binder full of women” and “illegals”, these come absolutely natural. He doesn’t have to make them up. Can you see in his eyes how surprised he gets when anyone points out to him that they are offensive? How many times has he already been told not to use “illegals”– he’s running for President for Pete’s sake.
HAMP isn’t something Obama could directly affect — even though it’s run by his Treasury Department? That’s odd. When Obama’s Treasury Secretary, Tim Geithner, wanted to “foam the runways” for the banks, he had no trouble (not) acting. Sure, a few homeowners’ lives had to be ruined, but bankers got saved!
And last night both candidates agreed that “government can’t create jobs”. No wonder Obama hardly tries. The party of FDR has come to this?
intersting story in Huff Post this AM from Neil Barofsky. Obama is the biggest hurdle in reforming and breaking up the big wall st banks. According to the artice there is a lot of bi partain support for breaking up the banks but Team Obama is strongly opposed,,so we can have the gutting osf SS and medicare but no break up of the banks…another reason I am voting 3rd party
becca @ #9: well said, thanks!
Charlie Pierce would be a good place to start. He’s from the Commonwealth (God save it!) and saw Willard’s act close up.
There’s also some good stuff in The Real Romney about Willard’s tenure as governor. He didn’t play well with others in state government, and lurched sharply to the right after the 2006 election when he focused on running for president rather than running his state.
Gee, that’s odd. I just googled Obama Foreclosure plan and came up with numerous news articles within the last year of program proposals he’s put forward.
Where’re the votes on those proposals, Tom?
Forbes Magazine has an article dated July 2012 that touts Obama’s job plan over Mitt’s job plan. Come to think of it, how many votes were held on the floors of Congress for new infrastructure spending, where unemployment in the Construction industry is in the neighborhood of 15%.
Oh, yeah – they were too busy. 34 votes to repeal Obamacare. I forgot – how foolish of me.
Yeah I heard Zero spew out that craptastic LIE of epic proportions and just about tossed my shoe at the tv. What a creep.
The little I saw – which was enough – did nothing to highlight any real perceivable difference between 2 fat cats who are out to enhance & enrich the 1% at the expense of the 99%. Same as it ever was…
I’m voting Third Party. Nothing I saw last night came even *close* to changing my mind in that regard. Not. Even. Close.
Doesn’t this “the President isn’t a dictator” argument work both ways? If Romney is elected and even if the R’s take the Senate, they won’t have 60 votes. We’ve been hearing for 4 years how executive orders to do something unpopular, reconciliation, using the Presidency as a bully pulpit to educate and persuade the country, Presidential influence over Congressional leaders of his own party, all are impossible. Given that the major policies of Obama and Romney are so similar (war, drilling, privatizing, transferring wealth, austerity), why would Romney have a better ability to deliver additional “sparkle ponies” on the right, when Obama was presumably so powerless to do it on the left.
How does the argument play out differently here?
If the only difference is that Romney won’t pre-compromise and do stuff the left wants, the way Obama does stuff the right wants, and that the R’s in Congress are willing to fight, even in the minority, but the D’s aren’t, then the argument that Obama was merely helpless doesn’t seem to hold.
Thank you for articulating that so clearly. Quite agree.
No, I don’t want a dictator, but, much as I despised him, I never saw W as a “dictator.” Yet he sure got stuff done that he – and his rightwing constitutents wanted done. Not everything, but enough. And W didn’t always have super majorities in both the House & Senate.
Yet with Obama, all I ever hear is how it’s been “impossible” for him to get stuff done. Oh really? Why? I’m pretty tired of that LIE, myself.
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/07/the-obama-enablers-big-lie-we-never-had-the-votes.html
Republicans are a divisive and very efficient obstructionist force. But, Obama has still not learned how to BE president. OTOH, Bush had that dick Cheney to “get things done” for him. You may remember Bush had trouble watching football and eating Doritos at the same time. IMO, Axelrod and Plouffe are part of the problem. They both come off like wusses. A president needs a chief of staff like Alexander Haig who doesn’t take shit off anybody and has the FBI and the IRS at his disposal to “persuade” political allies and opponents alike. Ifn you catch my drift.
As someone with extensive experience in the theocracy that is Utah, I’ve got to put Willard’s religion into the discussion on his craziness.
On the equal pay for equal work question, we’ve got to remember that Mormons represent one of the last bastions of total male authoritarianism in this country – to an absolutely ludicrous degree. Mormons in general are NOT in the mainstream on much of anything, but they’re as out of touch as someone from the planet Kolob on this one, folks.
Willard’s Mormon elder-ism also largely explains his “holier and better than thou” attitude, and Ann’s “You people …” horse puckey. Americans need to understand the depth of the craziness that is the Mormon religion, and the degree of danger that a Willard presidency represents on that basis alone.
Seriously.
I think you have a valid point. In fact, several of them.
I do think many people understand and agree with you.
OTOH I wouldn’t put down ALL the people on Kolob because of just these two people. /s
Found on facebook just now -
As you originally pointed out, becca, the Republicans in the House can and have blocked votes on many of Obama’s proposals. But foreclosure programs like HAMP (funded by TARP, which passed long ago) are run solely by the Administration — by the Dept. of Treasury — and they’ve been disasters. Read, for example, Neil Barofsky:
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/08/06/tim-geithner’s-principal-hypocrisy/
Romney won’t provide the math on his tax plan because it would become clear that his claims of deficit neutrality are lies. Romney’s tax plan is deliberately designed to drive up deficits for two reasons.
1. When the government drastically cuts taxes on the rich, it changes who pays whom. Instead of the rich paying taxes, they are paid interest on the debt that they finance. That is a redistribution to the top.
2. Creating large deficits makes it easier to argue for slashing spending on government programs that the greediest and least ethical among the rich (who are the most politically involved) don’t want or need–things like social security, medicare, food stamps, tax auditors, regulators, the EPA, etc.
Republicans will always argue that there is only one way to reduce the deficit: by cutting spending because raising taxes is bad for the economy. Of course, cutting spending–especially during a recession–also destimulates the economy, but Republicans simply ignore that. You see, the wealthy don’t care if unemployment goes up as long as their taxes go down. High unemployment allows them to hold down wages for their employees, so it’s a win all around.
As long as we are are considering Orwell. 1984 found in 2012 America just now!
Mostly agree.
But the difference is not just that O’Bomber is a pre-compromising Rethug -lite (which he is), but that the Congressional Dems are also and they eagerly cooperated with Bush.
X2. Thanks, everyone needs to see this – clearly laid out.
That Orwell was just a “busy body.”
I never finished his book “1984″. How does it turn out???
Oh, you got that right. The democratic legislaturds are just as big a problem as their contemptable colleagues on the other side of the aisle.
He has power to act in each of those domains. HE decides about drone bombings; he DID put forth a mortgage plan (it was toothless); and he DID put forth a stimulus (it held few jobs). Talk of dicatotorship evades these issues/possibilities.
+1
Most likely does not think women are equal. Mormonism is culturally very male dominated from what I have observed, though my experience is somewhat limited.
I never expected to hear “binders” as a near-Bushism from Romney. It’s like “Grecian” as a noun several years ago, no?
Putting women in binders evokes feet in pre-Maoist China, I think. Not funny at all, of course. It’s just that words are loaded weapons for some people, intended or not.