For me, this is the number one reason why the GOP should not be in power. Mitch McConnell has signaled that the best solution to the health care crisis is for those of us with pre-existing medical conditions is to be bankrupted by medical bills…or just die.
The senior senator from Kentucky, who himself enjoys government-subsidized insurance as a federal employee, told the National Review on Tuesday that the party would do little to help the 129 million people who could be denied insurance because they suffer from a pre-existing condition should the law be repealed. “I’m not convinced that issue needs to be addressed at the federal level,” he said, before praising Republican governors for refusing to implement a provision of the law that expands health coverage to lower-income residents through the Medicaid program.
During the interview, McConnell also confirmed that he planned to repeal Obamacare’s main provisions — like the individual mandate — through reconciliation, a process that allows the Senate can pass budget-related bills with a majority vote:
MCCONNELL: Repeal of Obamacare will be the first item up in the Senate if I am majority leader. If we have a president who will sign the bill, we will do everything we can to get it off the books, and we’ll be looking for every angle that could be pursued. There has been a lot of talk about reconciliation. The Chief Justice said this is a tax, and we take him at his word, so that certainly makes this eligible for reconciliation. But that may not be the only avenue that we pursue.
The foolish smokescreen of whether it is a penalty or a tax is absurd. The fact is any solution is going to cost a buttload of money — as if we aren’t already paying billions for the broken patchwork system already in place. The question is not only how to contain costs, but to provide everyone with basic health care options that don’t place their homes or financial future in jeopardy. The GOP has spent all its energy just demonizing one attempt when they’ve provided nothing.
The feeble Obamacare isn’t the solution by any stretch of the imagination, but we won’t get anywhere with a policy of letting “the market” decide the fate of people who have the misfortune to have a pre-existing condition and 1) not have any health insurance, 2) lost their job and after COBRA ran out, are left without insurance, or 3) have a job, are under-insured with a crappy policy, and just one major illness away from financial catastrophe. That’s millions of people Mitch McConnell just flipped the bird at. The American people, from his POV aren’t entitled to the same level of health care he enjoys on our dime.
But we all know this hypocrisy knows no bounds. I kind of appreciate the bottom-line sociopathy of Fox News medical contributor Dr. Marc Siegel. He probably speaks for a good number of people who aren’t as candid; he believes that health care should be doled out with morality guidelines attached.
During a discussion about how medical providers will respond to the law, Siegel argued that some physicians won’t accept newly insured patients with pre-existing conditions who “eat all the wrong foods” and “gain weight” because “they are not paid enough”:
TOM SULLIVAN (HOST): Right now you can say I don’t accept Medicare or Medicaid? Right?
SIEGEL: Tom, that the untold story. There has been no consideration to the fact that many physicians do not take insurance. Many surgeons don’t take insurance…The more Obamacare floods the gate, the less they will take insurance. If they’re not getting paid and an insurance company says, I have to cut somewhere.
They are forcing me to cover all pre-existing conditions, which sounds great. Let’s take care of everybody’s pre-existing condition. You lie on the couch for 30 years, you never exercise, you gain weight, you eat all the wrong foods, you get diabetes and now you have Obamacare. But the fact is, doctors don’t have to play ball with it. If they are not paid enough they won’t play ball with it.
I’m trying to figure out how Siegel decides which diabetes patients are worthy of being covered — no type II, only insulin-dependent, only skinny diabetics? What if there’s a family history of it not connected to obesity? Where do you draw the line? What about diseases that aren’t connected in any way to “lifestyle” but are expensive to treat — many auto-immune diseases can only be well-controlled with expensive medications. Would Siegel have a panel decide some are entitled to the drugs and not others? It’s a slippery slope, but I think Siegel’s viewpoint is not a fringe one. I think a lot of people harbor a resentment toward the sick who may have contracted illnesses related to behavior — such as lung cancer due to smoking. Are we as a society saying that treating the patient is not deserving of health care, rather than focusing on how to reduce smoking overall?
It’s more complicated when it comes to the explosion of diabetes (type II, your body makes insulin but doesn’t use it well) related to diet, exercise and hereditary factors. One has to eat, and one chooses what we ingest. Americans in general like to eat — and are encouraged to do so in advertising — foods laden in fat, salt and sugar. And they taste good and are cheap. Healthy foods are readily available in higher income level areas, so the health disparity is markedly based on socioeconomic factors. Rather than address the Processed Food Industrial complex and its effect on the American diet, both government and society tends to blame the human being for being fat, weak and lazy. I don’t see that solving the actual problem, since it’s pretty clear we’re all getting fatter no matter whether a carrot or stick approach is being used. Attitudes like Dr. Siegel’s are a good example of why it’s going to be difficult to refocus attention on reducing health risk factors in the population when there’s such a personal animus toward the sick based on a judgment about their character.
(H/t Scott Rose)





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One of the benefits of the health care reform laws is that over time, they lead to deficit reduction because of decreased costs of treating people currently uninsured. All of this crap out of Rethugliturds is coming from private insurance lobbyists who want to return to the days of denying claims automatically, knowing that a profitable percentage of the sick policy holders denied will either give up on the lengthy and stressful appeals process, or die. Rethugliturds disgust me. Canada has universal health insurance. But Rethugliturds scream from the rooftops that the US has the best health care, and now here they are talking about being willing to let millions suffer and/or die. WTF? Hello?
Actually Obamacare superceded an existing solution in California, which the state covered pre-existing conditions but at the same time there was no mandate for everyone in California to have insurance. Another problem with Obamacare is that it didn’t say the uninsured received no treatment, but that we paid for their treatment anyway with them being a bunch of freeloading leeches, so per Obamacare’s justification those with pre-existing conditions are receiving treatment. You are ignoring the philosophical/economic justification for the mandate.
“…the feeble Obamacare isn’t the solution…”
Well, you got that right. And, to my knowledge, as tepid as it is, it’s a rare-as-hen’s-teeth “discouraging” word
from you about the “reform”.
Also, the “private insurance lobbyists” ARE a bunch greed balls, just like the corporations they represent…
Which makes Obama’s sellout to them all the worse.
Anyone with two synapses to rub together knew, and knows, how bad are the republicans, but the influence they had in practically writing the ACA bill was happily conceded to them by Obama, from whom we foolishly expected a modicum of willingness to confront the assholes, instead of rolling over for them like a trained poodle.
And to give McConnell’s idea a head start, let’s cull out the whores in Congress with pre-existing conditions to save taxpayer money on their health insurance.
Are monumental stupidity, short-sightedness, and moral degeneracy pre-existing conditions? Please tell me they are.
Pre-existing conditions are what the insurance corpses say they are. This is just another instance of the big corpses flexing their muscles in the open. They own the congress and the presidency and the supremes (who make it look close). The citizens united that gave the big corpses status as individuals carefully did not define who represented each corpse so no actual person is accountable for their transgressions (but we know that they don’t have any).
Obama is a conservative corporatist all on his own where he just tries to use Republicans as cover. Obama cut his backroom deals with the corporate lobbyists BEFORE going to the Republicans to get them to sign on.
And the (re) roll-out cry of PROTECT THOSE WITH PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS begins for the incumbent’s reelection campaign.
Trumpeting gay issues won’t work (and I’m gay).
Trumpeting this won’t work (and I’ve got multiple pre-existing conditions).
Screaming about the Supreme Court won’t work (and I love me some Justice Ginsburg).
It’s the economy stupid. Always was. Always is.
If the Obama administration won’t do something about the economy that makes people feel better about their situation, then all the surrogate-pushing in the world won’t get him reelected.
Quit trying this nonsense on the blogsphere, and remind your meme-pushers how the real world works.
But the Republicans didn’t sign on. Not one Republican voted for ACA.
What’s your evidence for that?
IOW, why wouldn’t ins corps just raise rates enough to capture all the revenues from emergency rooms, or insuring represents a shift in costs, not a reduction in costs.
I never said they did. Obama cut all his backroom deals to nationalize Romneycare and just expected Republicans to go along with it in order to give him cover, but they didn’t. This is why I hate Republicans being used an excuse for how bad Obamacare is because Republicans had nothing to do with it – it’s entirely on the Democrats for what they did and did not do.
I agree with both you in that cost shifting onto people through reform puts the costs on them instead the government, so it lowers the amount the government spends but it doesn’t do anything for the total cost of care.
When I was growing up, health care was affordable and available. It was non-profit. That stopped when Nixon and Kaiser colluded to “make a lot of money by denying legitimate claims”. That is what lead to ObamaCare and ultimately will result in Medicare for all. Insurance has nothing whatever to do with health care. Health care has to do with health care. ObamaCare will be a welcome bridge, until such time as ‘insurance’ companies are no more. Insurance, it seems obvious, is for peace of mind until there’s a claim. The peace of mind offered in that interim, the company figures, is what the premiums pay for.
Cost of health care is a symptom of a systemic problem not discussed.
First, as Pam wrote, the Processed Food Industry is a large contributor to bad health. Agricultural subsides and lack of regulation play large parts in this segment of the economy.
Second, the high cost of medical education teaches future Doctors what? Exacerbates the sense of entitlement to large fees, and to greed?
To address health at a minimum could require aligning farm (food) subsidies to the “food pyramid” (I’m sure ADM, and Cargill will fully support that change), than changing the direction of CocaCola, Pepsi, McDonalds, Burger King, FritoLay and others, all of whom will welcome this change, correct? Such change will ripple through the US economy.
Now to education, how to address the costs of Medical (and other) education? Such change ripples through the whole complex structure of student loans, grants, and the finances of every university in the US. I’m sure all the parties are looking forward to that change.
The structure we enjoy today was built mostly in the last 60 years. It is resistant to change (aka: conservative), and probably cannot be changed absent some enormous event.
A solution? Not possible probably.
I work in the field of health care quality and my company is heavily involved in the implementation of ACA . There is significant evidence that aggressively managing chronic conditions – like diabetes, asthma, and cardiac conditions – reduces lifetime healthcare costs by keeping people healthier. That is one reason the best insurance companies have been investing in disease and case management services for those types of patients. More recent research has also demonstrated that these savings actually increase over time. In act NC has a twenty year history in the state’s Medicaid system that is one of the best examples of this phenomenon. Getting more people into primary care through insurance companies is one of the best ways to promote this model, although I would have preferred a Medicare-for-all approach.
The other major opportunity for health care savings is in implementing healthcare IT. A lot of the excess cost of medical care is due to redundant care because physicians cannot easily share information on patients. Thus any doctor treating a diabetic ends up repeating tests other doctors have already run.
Prevention is the best cure, along with education. My hope is that fewer people will develop medical conditions as a result of seeing a doctor regularly instead of waiting until they are sick. Yes, there is an aspect of personal responsibility to society and to oneself, but it needs to be encouraged not coerced. The insurance system is inherently defective when applied to health care, in that it is based on charging premiums according to evaluated risk. People who intentionally engage in risky behavior (which could include any number of things that vary in “provability” or “correctability”) may be assessed at a higher rate. As Pam pointed out, in most cases this is impossible to enforce and doesn’t apply to patients that developed a condition for other reasons beyond their control.
Whatever happened to “compassionate conservatism?” All I hear from cons any more is punishment and paternalism, and I suspect a lot of this comes from the pulpits. This country is moving backwards fast.
His evidence is likely that Democrats passed it. The Heritage Foundation’s (and AHIP’s and Big PhRMA’s) health “reform” bill that passed, as anybody who cares to actually visit google or a library can find out, is structurally what the Republicans proposed as a counterweight to the health reform actions of the Clinton’s in the early 90s. I’d bet $10 right now that the Democrats of today who were around back then were in a vein-popping rage at how heinous and evil the plan was then (because Republicans were putting it out there). But because Democrats did it now it’s magically better.
The whole thing is a farce.
Prior to 1930, all individuals seeking assistance from medical providers, namely physicians, had to do so at their own expense. These individuals were left to pay for their medical treatments and consultations by means that were agreed upon between the physician and the individual patient. It was not uncommon for physicians to receive absurd forms of payment, including, the trading goods, self-payment, or payment by charitable organizations. This was highly accepted as physicians viewed themselves as care providers to the community, and the healthcare system was highly paternalistic.
Quit trying this nonsense on the blogsphere
I never understand comments like this — then why are you reading? I’m just one voice out there — it’s my opinion, for whatever that’s worth. There are plenty of other places to hang out and comment.
I work for a health care provider, too. I’m not sure that IT will reduce costs. There is a big-time “brand-name recognition” based impetus when it comes to the purchasing of IT services. Exchanging the cost savings generated by improved efficiency for cost increases generated by using Microsoft/Oracle/Other-Closed-and-Licensed “solutions” isn’t ideal, in my opinion. I really wish PPACA had addressed the issue of electronic health care records and the like much more thoroughly.
Prior to 1930, medical care was totally different than it is now. Today’s medical science cannot be compared to 1930. But the economy prior to 1930 is the same as it is now. The Economy is controlled by Corporate Predators and an Evil Oligarchy that needs to be drowned in Grover Norquist’s bathtub. Same as 1930.
Kaiser is “non-profit” still. I think a lot of these things – not just in health insurance – would take care of themselves if the politicians actually made non-profits be non-profits instead of having non-profit CEOs pull in salaries just as much as Wall Street CEOs. Holding these non-profit insurance companies to being non-profit would just take a non-bought President and wouldn’t even take Obamacare or any other act of Congress, instead just enforcing IRS tax code. The only bridge Obama built was a bridge for corporate health industry lobbyists to engage in even more corruption.
Pam, you have a platform and an access to people who seek to use your platform that I do not.
Am I to think it conincidence that the neo-liberals at Think Progress and others ran these exact stories mere hours (OK, sometimes days) before you do?
Goodness knows I love what you have here, but use it in the reverse direction too. If you really want to help Obama, go up the media chain with some real political help for his pushers. Tell them over and over: IT’S THE ECONOMY, STUPID.
These folks that want you to push this “elect neo-liberals or else” nonsense, well… they just don’t understand what a majority of the electorate wants.
Good point. But the deficit could be lowered more quickly if the USG stopped paying for all medical care. Would Scott Rose approve of that?
Before 1930, doctors didn’t charge very much. Most patients were treated in their homes.
When doctors began learning more about diseases and effective treatments, they started charging more – more than most people could afford. They also needed to treat people in hospitals to take advantage of new medical technology, which further added to the costs.
To ensure they got paid, doctors at Baylor Hospital in Dallas created a system to help people pay their hospital bills. The health insurance industry was born so that doctors could protect their interests and their payments.
Dear Washington,
70+ million Americans have no access to health care.
That includes people without health insurance and people with it who pay outrageous premiums but can’t afford to see a doctor because of the high deductibles.
We are making a demand of our leaders starting today.
We don’t have health care.
You don’t have health care.
We don’t have protection from medical bankruptcy.
You don’t have protection from medical bankruptcy.
Why should you have what we don’t? You elites want everything for yourselves and make sure you have it while you tell the American people too bad for you you get nothing.
We demand that you, your staffs and the rest of the elites in Washington GET NO HEALTHCARE.
No doctors, no pills, no tests, no surgeries.
None.
We demand you live like we do until you fix this broken system and every citizen in this country has access to health care.
The Right, the Left, the Center who have no healthcare are joining together to form a tsunami that will sweep over Washington.
Signed,
Americans who have no access to health care in the richest nation on earth
See our demand above.
If I may for those who haven’t been in a hospital recently, in Houston, Texas,
A heart catheterization and stent, done on an outpatient basis is $40,000
A hysterectomy, 2 nights in the hospital, $65,000
A double heart bypass and graft, 5-6 days in the hospital, $128,000
Back surgery with laminectomy and 4 days in the hospital $104,000
Germany introduced mandatory health insurance in 1883 (then for certain population groups only). By Bismarck by the way, who was about as conservative as you can get in other areas.
You have the exact same access to write things here that Pam or I or anyone else has.
Seeing as you apparently know what a majority of the electorate wants, it would be great if you would share that. It would probably help me in my State Rep race.
Don’t be deliberately obtuse.
My comment @23 has it in all caps. It’s repeated from my first comment in this thread @8.
I’ve availed myself twice on this platform to express it.
Anyone with even a passing knowledge of national tracking polling in the modern era would know that the economy always trumps all. Why political pushers think they can buck this historical truth remains beyond me.
Good luck in your race.
Wait…did you seriously just invoke “ITES” in defense of the party whose entire economic plan can be summarized as “the rich people will survive, so screw everyone else”? Not that the Democrats are much better; but how does “It’s the economy, stupid!” justify choosing “worse” over “bad”?
No. I did not invoke “ITES” in defense of the GOP.
I specifically said to beat ITES into the brains of Obama surrogates if they really want Obama to win.
Not sure how you got a defense of the GOP from that.