And the right wing said it wasn’t about race (on their side), didn’t they? Neo-Nazis have never been affiliated with the left; they’ve always been on the fringe anarchist/chaos/gov’t overthrow wing of the GOP, because there’s no way these white supremacists would vote Dem. After all, that party is polluted with black, brown…you know, the Mud People.
It’s nice to see the white power movement cater to the racial divisions brought up by the Trayvon Martin murder, surfacing as “good citizens” like this, reported by the Miami New Times’ Michael Miller:
The patrols are to protect “white citizens in the area who are concerned for their safety” in the wake of the Trayvon Martin shooting last month, says Commander Jeff Schoep of the National Socialist Movement. “We are not advocating any type of violence or attacks on anybody, but we are prepared for it,” he says. “We are not the type of white people who are going to be walked all over.”
Because nothing diffuses racial tension like gun-toting racial separatists patrolling an already on-edge community.
…The patrols are comprised of between 10 and 20 locals and “volunteers” from across the state, including some from Miami, he added. He couldn’t go into specifics on what kind of firepower, exactly, the patrols had with them.
…Asked if the patrols wouldn’t just make things worse — spark a race riot, for instance — Schoep insisted they were simply a “show of solidarity with the white community down there” and “wouldn’t intimidate anybody.”
Apparently this gallantry was spurred on by the announcement that some group, the New Black Panther Party, offered a $10,000 bounty for a citizens’ arrest of George Zimmerman, so the “patriots” feared for the city’s white citizenry (does that include “white Hispanics” only, or the brown ones too?).
I thought the police department was there to protect all of Sanford’s citizens (when it’s not torpedoing its own bad police work/f’ing up cases involving black folks as victims), but as there’s nothing like having this paramilitary crowd with strong views on race stepping in to do the job. You know, like the KKK, it’s not intimidating at all.
Here’s the Southern Poverty Law Center’s profile of Schoep and the National Socialist Movement. A snippet:
The NSM is now one of the largest neo-Nazi organizations in the country. The resurgence of the NSM began in 2004, in the wake of the deaths of the country’s two major neo-Nazi leaders, the National Alliance’s William Pierce (d. 2002) and the Aryan Nations’ Richard Butler (d. 2004). Also contributing to the vacuum in neo-Nazi leadership of the nation was the 2004 imprisonment of Matt Hale, the leader of the World Church of the Creator. Hale was sentenced to 40 years in federal prison for soliciting the murder of a federal judge.
Starting in 2004, the NSM began to overshadow all other American neo-Nazi groups, including two,White Revolution and National Vanguard, that emerged from the ashes of the National Alliance. The NSM made its presence felt through frequent theatrical street actions undertaken in Nazi garb. Unlike other neo-Nazi outfits, the NSM adopted an open-arms recruiting policy that allowed members of other white supremacist groups to participate in NSM actions and join the NSM.
Schoep was only 21 years old when he took control of the group in 1994, and his relatively young age has helped him attract a younger generation of neo-Nazis. In fact, under Schoep’s leadership, the NSM set up a unit specifically focused on recruiting teens that it called its Viking Youth Corps. It also launched a Women’s Division and a Skinhead Division. It bolstered its online presence with a revamped website featuring the group’s newsletter, downloadable leaflets for printing and distribution, and field reports from NSM chapters around the country. The group created its own hate rock music label, NSM88 Records, and in April 2007 purchased the now-popular white supremacist social networking site New Saxon.
NSM ideology mirrors that of the original American Nazi Party. The group openly idolizes Adolf Hitler, described in NSM propaganda as, “Our Fuhrer, the beloved Holy Father of our age … a visionary in every respect.” NSM says only heterosexual “pure-blood whites” should be allowed U.S. citizenship and that all nonwhites should be deported, regardless of legal status. As Schoep put it: “The Constitution was written by white men alone. Therefore, it was intended for whites alone.”





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I thought the police department was there to protect all of Sanford’s citizens
This is the new and updated police department in Amerikan cites. Were are the Feds, oh right busting mary jane dirty hippies types.
If the left and media hadn’t started a lynch mob, this wouldn’t have happened. You have only yourselves to blame for inciting racial tension.
Does this qualify as a “fascist militia”, “right-wing death squads”, or merely armed gangs of violent racists “patrolling” the streets?
How will they distinguish the armed Neo-Nazis just showing up from the ones already there?
Really, what is there to say?
Yes, there’s nothing quite like pointing out the unjust nature of a racist murder to justify that murder.
Perhaps you haven’t kept up with the news. It wasn’t a “racist murder” it was self-defense.
A troll by any other name…
Race aside, only an idiot would think this murder of an unarmed kid was justified. No matter what the circumstance.
It was not murder, it was self-defense while being attacked.
It’s not self-defense when you start it.
Yeah, I’m sure that adult who had 100 pounds on the kid really feared for his life. Feared for his life so much that he got out of his car and followed him away from the street in order to be attacked by the kid.
Edit: Maybe the kid lured him away from his car by offering him free ice cream or candy?
Oh, go fuck yourself, you goddamned worthless racist piece of shit.
Only to a congenitally deformed mind would a kid armed with a bag of skittles warrant ‘self-defense.’ Like all on the right, Zimmerman was insane with his own fear.
To the topic at hand however, how long before the gang of white supremacists, drooling with fear, start gunning down people in the street in ‘self-defense.’
Can citizens start shooting them in self-defense? Cause they sure as hell are dangerous and looking to kill.
Please, everybody leave shooter alone. s/he knows that tracking someone down after being told by the police not to do that is perfectly alright. Then when you about 100 lbs heavier and 10 years older than the boy and the person is screaming for help, that is the time to shoot him. That shooter was certainly standing his ground, but was the kid standing his ground? After all, the event did not occur at the shooter’s property and he had to chase after the boy who had done nothing. If the boy actually hit the shooter, wasn’t he acting within his rights of self-protection, and, therefore, the shooter attacked him illegally?
I’m simply amazed that shooter hasn’t jumped on a plane (assuming that s/he lives that far away) and gone to patrol with his people, the national socialist movement (see Pam’s thread) in Sanford. I assume that if s/he were close enough, s/he would already be there ready to ‘stand his ground.’
FAIL. By definition, ONLY right wingers lynch.
it turns out that not even the 100 pound meme is true. 20 pounds and much shorter.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/02/us/trayvon-martin-shooting-prompts-a-review-of-ideals.html?_r=1&hp=&pagewanted=all
And that changes the fact that he followed the kid down and murdered him in cold blood how?
Please, please, stop using the word “anarchist” to describe persons or organizations on the right. Anarchists are, and always have been, on the far left of the political spectrum. Anarchists have always fought racism and fascism, often sacrificing their own lives in the process. The anarchist anti-fascists of Spain 1936-39, and the anarcho-syndicalist IWW (the Wobblies) deserve better than to be lumped in with fascist neo-nazi trash. The correct word to describe racists, neo-nazis, fascists, etc., is “reactionary”.
It doesn’t, of course, but that won’t stop our racist troll from spreading his lies every chance he gets.
No, no, I’ve got it! Free Skittles! Trayvon Martin lured Zimmerman out of the car with the promise of free Skittles! Yeah, that’s the ticket…
Well said, Dr. Puma.
We aim to please, and please to aim.
Hey shoot, if Zimmerman hadn’t started this with a Kill at Will hit,, this wouldn’t have happened. You have only yourselves to blame for inciting racial tension.
I’m pretty sure those are just middle of the road, Bill O’reilly watching Republicans.
No story here. Go home everyone.
Not for the first time, I wish there was a “like” button on these comments.
Most people that call themselves “anarchists” are confused.
The vast majority of those who fought the Nazis in Spain were Socialists and Communists. Same for IWW Wobblies.
One cannot defeat an organized opposition by getting less organized.
Is stalking still a crime in Fla? Zimmerman stalked Martin. If Martin had fired his Arizona Tea at Zimmerman and killed him. he could claim the “stand your ground” defense. Don’t start dancing, Z admitted over the phone that he was stalking Martin.
I know times are hard, but is being a toadie and troll worth your self-respect? It is all you have left, you know.
I mean. NO ONE else respects you.
Easy there buddy .
Your personal opinion of anarchists has nothing to do with the poli-sci, dictionary definition of the word anarchist. What’s your point?
Sorry bud, but the wounds and grass stains on Zimmerman’s back say Trayvon was the attacker….
http://www.examiner.com/charleston-conservative-in-charleston-sc/zimmerman-was-on-the-ground-being-punched-when-he-shot-trayvon-martin
No they don’t. They say that Trayvon was able to defend himself before Zimmerman pulled out his gun.
I wouldn’t worry about unsourced “facts” the troll got from the Charleston Conservative Examiner.
Never let a lie go unchallenged. To do otherwise only encourages them.
Let me reiterate, the left and the media have lied continuously and loudly.
The racial slur never happened.
Trayvon was the attacker.
Zimmerman was demonstrably not a racist in any shape, manner, and form.
The entire episode has been race-baiting based on falsehoods.
Anyone pushing those falsehoods is the racist.
And it is stalking when he lost him then picked up the trail again.
Having lived next to Trenton, NJ during the ’67 race riots this is setting up the same. The feds , led by eric folder , are about to face a test they can’t ignore.
You can change stupid through education, Ignorant not so much.
See #12.
Not true. People trying to call big international movements of lefties “anarchists” are mistaken.
Big international movement organization precludes that movement from being “anarchist.”
Since you have defended him in every untenable way, I would like to know why it was OK for him to move in on Trayvon after the PD dispatcher told him to stay put? How aggressive/rebellious is that?
The left are the only ones telling the truth.
The racial slur did happen.
Zimmerman caused the whole incident from beginning to end.
Zimmerman is demonstratably a racist.
The entire episode is proof of the racism of both Zimmerman and his defenders.
Zimmerman and everyone defending his cold-blooded murder of a young man are racists.
Now you”re being a Jackass. Zimmerman at 7:15 at night trailed a 17 year old who committed NO criminal anything, except being black, and was assassinated by this cop wanna be. Now what did TRAYVON MARTIN do that zimmerman had any right to interfere in Trayvon Martin’s life.
Your racism is seeping out on the screen JACKASS.
Yes, that post deserves some sort of award for pithy eloquence, does it not?
Now this shoot clown claims he never posts ANYTHING without a link. Do you see any links above or is that another LIE, buddy?
I’ll try to be kind. Read the history of the IWW. Read the history of the CNT/FAI. Then comment.
Just below the surface of most Republicans lurks a neo-Nazi.
You need to read this book to know why you are the way you are. In some ways you’re merely the product of genetics.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Republican-Brain-Science-Science/dp/1118094514
George Zimmerman stated his intentions quite clearly that night on his 9-1-1 call, “These assholes, they always get away,” so Zimmerman, this fateful night, made certain that this “asshole” who walked by his surveillance position didn’t “get away,” chasing Trayvon Martin down and gunning him down.
Maybe Zimmerman tried to “citizens-arrest” Martin, to physically detain him until police arrived, grabbing his arm, jarring Martin’s cellphone out of his hand (per Martin’s girlfriend on the cellphone talking to him). Maybe a fight broke out. Maybe Zimmerman was losing (or had lost) the fight to some “asshole” fitter and younger than him, leaving Zimmerman only his gun to make certain this “asshole” didn’t “get away”. Or maybe (per voice experts) it was Martin crying for help on that 9-1-1 call tape, not Zimmerman, so Zimmerman just shot the “asshole” dead to shut the “asshole” up. Either way, a dead “asshole” can’t keep crying for help nor can a dead “asshole” “get away.”
But the “asshole” was just a scared 17-year-old teenager innocently walking back home from a nearby store while talking to his girlfriend on a cellphone. And now some real “asshole” white supremacists are sticking up for a real “asshole” who gunned down an innocent teenager, and this gun-carrying “asshole” they’re defending might just “get away” with murder, actual murder, no self-defense involved at all.
I think you meant to say ignorance you can change through education, stupid not so much. Ignorance leaves room for improvement, stupid leaves no room for anything.
Your grasp of left wing history is tenuous to say the least.
Depends on the what coroner’s report says about which way the bullet entered and left his body. two shots that is.
He was face down with his hands under him it has been reported.
This is an important story so I’m glad it’s getting coverage on TV. Having said that Fox can’t blare it’s hate message loud enough. That could be a problem.Beyond that it’s making the hard core racists comfortable really speaking their minds. No mummbling or whispering. Loud,proud and perfectly clear. As disgusting as it is, at least you know for certain who to watch out for. They are soooo self un-ware. But in their minds they’ve been given a green light to say anything.Being that they are of low intelligence they are going to screw up. It’s not a matter of if, but when. It will be soon. It’s going to be ugly but it is what it is.
No the racial slur did not happen and now a third network has admitted falsifying evidence. What is it going to take for you all to accept this is all a manufactured outrage that has no basis in fact.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/05/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html
It would seem they are a terrorist threat to the nation and it’s people and deserving of a reservation at Gitmo. Their supporters as well.
Read the book!
I am shocked at most of the responses here. I thought people hee had critical thinking skills. MSM has been caught baiting this whole thing. The NBC tape of what zimmerman said was edited and now the yjust fired the producer.
Matter not as people have made up their mind on the early stories they were fed that this was race motivated. I just want to understand if the kid was killed but it was not race motivated you would all feel less passionate about it?
Remember Richard Pearl the so called bomber at the Atlantic games. The media executed him without a trial.
What happened here is tragic. But so far, given how much MSM has had to walk back its race baiting claims, I am not sure it was about race.
That does not mean we do not have a race issue, but so far I do not see the PTB do anything to address that beyond their obvious attempts to exploit it for their own personal gain
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I’m shocked that you would think people at FDL rely on the corporate media for their sole source of information.
Fuck you, asshole. Here’s hoping the New Black Panthers give racist pricks like you a big fucking dose of the KKK “justice” you like to jerk off to.
Lying piece of shit.
Don’t you have a cross to burn?
Liar. That article contains no admission of falsifying evidence.
Jesus Christ, where you there, you sure talk like it.
It is race based ,sorry. A black 17 year old is dead although a dead white 17 year old would be just as tragic, that set of circumstances hasn’t occurred yet.
His blackness was the basis of that fear . That’s racist.
CNN reported that Zimmerman said c**n, and that was the entire basis for declaring this episode a hate crime. This was race baiting from the beginning and they pushed it right along, whipping up racial strife and hate across the entire nation. And they were wrong. They didn’t report news they made news. Fake news.
http://www.businessinsider.com/cnns-backtrack-on-george-zimmermans-alleged-racial-slur-is-a-disaster-2012-4#ixzz1rJaUVKE9
Sorry, my dear lying troll, but alleged new information does not prove that the earlier report was “falsified.” You are a dishonest piece of crap.
MODS: another thread hijacked by shooterPtooter. What is the rationale?
This.
I’m pretty sure the NSM website has forums. Maybe you’d feel more at home there.
Or if you want, I can loan you a handgun and you can go patrol the streets with them in Sanford. But only if you promise to quit life when you’re done.
This.
There’s a fucking recording of the racial slur.
Also, before the racial slur, Zimmerman says “These assholes always get away.” as he gets out of his vehicle to pursue the unarmed victim.
A murder doesn’t get much more clear cut, and neither does a hate crime.
I HAVE read IWW history.
http://www.iww.org/
http://portlandiww.org/
I live in Portland OR. One of the most active IWW locals is here. I marched in the last couple Portland May Day protests half surrounded by IWW members.
Eugene Debs was one of founders of IWW. Eugene Debs was never, ever an anarchist. Eugene Debs was the charismatic leader most responsible for the rise of the IWW. Debs was a socialist. So was most of the IWW membership.
The CMT in Spain numbered 3o-50K tops at peak. There were 10x more Socialists and Communists.
medicinecat, you and almost all of your friends should be calling yourself socialists or social democrats. You guys need to get over the smear job right wingers did to the word “social”.
I lived just west of DC on 4/4/68, when Dr. King was killed. Seen it all before. There’s a book by Robert Conot about the 1965 Watts riots called, “Rivers of Blood, Years of Darkness,” that lists the 34 fatalities–all by cops.
The Kerner Commission Report(1967) is pretty blunt as well.
I’m curious: people get killed, we accept it, don’t really get riled up about it.
But if it presents an opportunity for a Culture War, a hell breaks loose.
When I look at this encounter I see two people in psychic trouble, not a martyr, not a hero, not a villain. When I examined the life of the 17 year old, he lived a life far different than mine, though I was much poorer. My life was filled with scholarship, a sense of a place in history. I don’t get that from the accounts of the life of that 17 year old. The impeding economic doom must have weighed on him somehow.
The older fellow, seems to have been off his rocker; possibly autistic-spectrum. Reacting to an atmosphere of street crime and economic marginalization due to the collapse of the housing market, he took the law into his own hands.
Perhaps the answer is law enforcement, specifically against the white collar criminals and their elected employees. If we can get that, then it may be possible to enjoin the average person to a life of decent citizenry; they will think such enjoinments part of a con as long as the banksters roam free.
Puhlease, let’s get this shits straight.
The people calling others anarchists are deliberately mislabeling and inciting.
It’s been a common tactic for centuries . . . paint the enemy in any fashion that’s derogatory and displeasing to the masses . . . or the ignorant.
That’s why the establishment, 1%, media and more continually mislabel the left in general as anarchists . . . it’s derogatory and deliberate mislabeling.
I’m SURE you know this.
Bingo.
Just click his profile and flag his ass, end of story.
Geez . . . you don’t engage these fucks, you flag them and let the mods do the rest.
Indeed, the old country phrase is “you can’t FIX stupid.”
Other people obviously make all kinds of mistakes when flinging insults.
I’m referring to the particularly large group of young lefties on the left coast who call THEMSELVES anarchists.
Probably close to half the young people in that first Occupy Portland protest called themselves anarchists.
First of all, I have not called myself anything. But I’m calling you ignorant, or a right wing plant. And I’m calling you a foolish asshole.
And if you’re marching with the Wobblies in Oregon, I hope they catch on to you. You are a plant and a phoney.
Either tenuous, or intentionally misleading. The guy’s a plant.
And it’s CNT, not CMT, Mr. Plant.
Well… you put your foot in it now, medicinecat.
I’m not only a FDL member, I’m the only lefty here who has a DNA test proving it.
I got diagnosed with Huntington Disease a few years ago. That’s done by DNA testing.
medicinecat: “D’OH!”
Nothing scares the Tea Party like a “race war”. Only problem is that it’s only in their bigoted minds. You can easily spot a bigot when they start talking “race war”.
So, you come here to FDL and claim to be a progressive, then use the opportunity to accuse half the Portland Occupiers of being anarchists. Pretty slick. How much is the right paying you?
Plant.
Well… you put your foot in it now, medicinecat.
I’m not only a FDL member, I’m the only lefty here who has a DNA test proving it.
I got diagnosed with Huntington Disease a few years ago. That’s done by DNA testing.
medicinecat: “D’OH!
I been a FDL member for years, dumbass.
What the fuck does a claimed diagnosis of Huntington’s Disease have to do with your liberal credentials of lack thereof? And just what did I put my foot in?
And why should I feel stupid when you seem to have a monopoly on that characteristic?
Right-wing plant.
I’m afraid that the logic of this murder are too simple for the Tea Party. They really like more complex issues so that their circular logic is harder to spot.
I’ve been a member of FDL for years. Jane Hamshire and I talked on the phone not long after I became a paid FDL member.
My reputation at FDL is clear and unimpeachable. I’ve been a Dem/left activist my whole life. My mom was Dem Activist before me. Between us we’ve got a clear history of left activism anyone can look up going back 50 years.
I was an early online organizer for Dean back when Zephyr Teachout was
a Dean blogger and myDD.com was a important website for the left. I ran all over the country for Gary Hart. I didn’t all that great for Jay Stark’s congressional campaign against Tom Bliley, but I did try.
The only person who would challenge me would be a one of those people who paid an lot of money to pretend “black bloc” really exists or is a real threat of any kind.
No, lots of people would challenge you because you’re an obvious phoney.
A talk on the phone with Jane establishes your credentials? Do your right-wing handlers pay you a bonus for getting the attention of an honorable progressive like Jane? Bet you didn’t fool her.
I would think you would have at least attempted to read Zinn before you came to progressive website and started your perjorative jabbering about anarchists and anarchist history.
And, I repeat, what the fuck does a claimed diagnosis of Huntington’s Disease have to do with your legitimacy as a progressive?
Dear Shoot;
thought you’d like to know that some asshole is writing posts stupid enough to make a slug blush and is signing your name.
A friend
Agreed. Until the coroner’s findings are released, we won’t know what happened at the moment the fatal shot was fired (or shots). How close (powder burns, if any). Entrance and/or exit wound(s). Angle of entry.
The point I was trying to make in my post is that we know somewhat from the language Zimmerman used that night in talking to the 9-1-1 police dispatcher, in his describing this unknown “suspicious character” that had caught his attention, what Zimmerman’s “state of mind” was that night in the moments before Trayvon Martin was shot.
People have been focusing on something Zimmerman seems to have said, under his breath, a cuss word followed by a derogatory term used against black people, but it occurred to me that he used another cuss word before that, one directed more generally at people who he felt shouldn’t “get away.” IOW, this might explain why Zimmerman didn’t heed the 9-1-1 dispatchers order to stop, to let the responding police handle the situation.
Or maybe Zimmerman did heed the 9-1-1 dispatcher, stopped and started to return to his parked car, but was jumped on by Trayvon Martin, as per Zimmerman’s account? Except that we’ve heard Martin’s girlfriend, who was talking with him on a cellphone at the time, state that Martin was scared, wondering why a stranger was following him, and that she heard Martin say to Zimmerman “why are you following me?” and Zimmerman saying to Martin “what are you doing around here?,” indicating close proximity of the two of them, which doesn’t sound at all like Martin ran after Zimmerman who, as he says, was returning to his car and then was jumped on by Martin, at which point a life-or-death fight broke out between the two of them, Zimmerman says.
Martin’s girlfriend also said that his cellphone went dead after she heard the two of them exchange words, either dropped or maybe knocked out of his hand, falling to the ground, she thought, not flipped shut and disconnected while Martin was holding it. IOW, just as the cries for help suddenly ended when a gunshot was heard, Martin’s cellphone suddenly went dead shortly after Martin’s girlfriend heard them talking.
Thus, the reason why I feel Zimmerman saying “they always get away” is so important in understanding Zimmerman’s “state of mind” as he went after Trayvon Martin that night, because he wasn’t going to allow this “suspicious character” to “get away,” and sometime during their minute-long encounter, “deadly force” was use by Zimmerman to make certain that Martin didn’t “get away.”
Look at the time-line:
7:11 – Zimmerman first calls the police.
7:12 to 7:16 – Martin’s girlfriend, per cellphone records, talks to him over his cellphone.
7:17 – responding police arrive on the scene, finding Martin dead already or dying.
If this can be broken down into seconds, we’ll know (or a jury will know) exactly how long their lethal confrontation lasted before the fatal shot was fired. We already know the confrontation was at least 45 seconds long, because a woman called 9-1-1 after she heard sounds of a fight break out behind the place where she lives, with the 9-1-1 tape capturing sounds of someone crying for help over and over again. So, 45 seconds and upwards of 2 minutes (at the outside) for the duration of their meeting face-to-face, a fight of some sort breaking out, with a gunshot ending the fight, shortly before police arrived on the scene. (Were the responding police close enough to hear the gunshot?)
One eyewitness, before the shot, saw Trayvon Martin on top of Zimmerman. Other witnesses, after the shot, saw Zimmerman now on top of Martin, pressing both of his hands down on him, where Martin lay face-down in the grass, still with his foot twitching. How did this happen? The eyewitness who said he saw Martin on top also said it was Zimmerman crying for help, but two voice experts have ruled this out, saying it wasn’t Zimmerman, following their analyzing Zimmerman’s voice against the cries for help.
But, you see, Zimmerman wasn’t about to let this guy “get away,” this was his “capture,” so although he might have been losing the fight (one that he initiated by confronting Martin), Zimmerman still had a gun to make certain this guy didn’t “get away,” to “stop” him even if Martin was on top, crying for help, as Martin held Zimmerman pinned to the ground, maybe after Martin stunned Zimmerman in their fight. And all this only took just over a minute, between when Martin’s girlfriend heard his cellphone go dead and the firing of the fatal shot.
No wonder the lead homicide detective found Zimmerman’s account a slight bit fishy and recommended manslaughter charges be filed.
(And I want to apologize to the moderator of this excellent site. My previous post used a certain cuss word repeatedly in my attempt to make my point clear about Zimmerman’s “state of mind” as based on a specific 9-1-1 call comment he made to the police dispatcher that night, but I got a little carried away, it seems. When connecting to Pam’s House Blend, I got the Rules Page instead. My apologies. I posted this, cuss word and all, to Rachel Maddow’s blog, but apparently it has software that automatically changes cuss words to #)@%(%*@#. Cool.)
You are absolute raving idiot, medicinecate
I’m not saying anything a right winger would have ANY reason to say in the first place?
Why would a right winger give a half-a-shit about a anarchist vs. socialist question? Y
ou’re blowing a gasket because I have been successful showing anarchists are falsely claiming the accomplishments of socialists.
Huntington’s Disease instantly makes one an advocate of single payer health care. Instantly.
Amen.
Time to get some sleep. Remember, you have an audience watching when you post here on FDL. And the audience tonight has witnessed your ignorance of politics and history, and your attempt to label half the participants of Occupy Portland as anarchists.
And I think the audience here knows you are a right-wing plant.
Solidarity.
Like I said Medicinecat, anyone that has spent any time online knows a right wing plant at FDL would not give a shit about the false claims of some clueless anarchist kid.
That doesn’t make any fucking sense.
Yours is perhaps the most thoughtful comment on FDL regarding this issue so far. Appreciated.
Here’s a link to my #OccupyPortland diary
http://my.firedoglake.com/adam503/2011/10/06/occupy-portland-begins-today/
I was one of 10 people at the first organizing meeting.
So medicinecat… Did I go and get 10000 right wingers in Portland OR to march through downtown Portland pretending to be a #OccupyPortland protest?
The last election the Birchers and other bigots were this much in the open, Goldwater lost big time.
Chapter 13 of Howard Zinn’s A People History of the United States is titled “The Socialist Challenge.” Howard Zinn mentions the IWW a lot in that chapter. Howard Zinn does not refer to the IWW as anarchists in A People’s History. Emma Goldberg is. She is only person in that chapter Zinn refers to as an anarchist.
Howard Zinn does not consider topic “anarchism” or “anarchy” significant enough to merit of separate reference in the book index of “A People History of the United States” Go look. I pulled my copy out. Socialism is there. IWW is there. Eugene Debs is there. Mother Jones is there. John Reed is there. Anarchism/Anarchy/Anarchists are not there.
I’m autism-spectrum. This was simply a racist freaking out over the wrong type of person being in “his” neighborhood.
http://www.revolutionbythebook.akpress.org/an-interview-with-howard-zinn-on-anarchism-rebels-against-tyranny/
Zinn’s first words in this interview, and I quote: “I am an anarchist . . .”
Adam, you’re trying to use a shoehorn to cram reality into something that fits your worldview. And that is the manipulating right-wing worldview of a plant.
Howard Zinn does not consider topic “anarchism” or “anarchy” significant enough to merit a separate reference in the book index of “A People History of the United States.” That’s reality.
Medicinecat’s desperate claims that I’m some right wing plant is just medicinecat publicly defecating all over himself over and over and over again.
You’re a real class act.
And we know what class you advocate for, Mr. Right-Wing Plant.
medicinecat
Do understand JUST how fucking lame all this “right wing plant” bullshit you are screaming is?
I’ve got a UNIMPEACHABLE DNA test proving I’ve got Huntington’s Disease at my neurologist office at OHSU.
I was at all the original Occupy Portland protest organizing meetings.
http://my.firedoglake.com/adam503/2011/10/06/occupy-portland-begins-today/
I was one of the only older guys at all those early organizing meetings… and mentioned my Huntington’s Disease whenever there were group introductions.
Do know how fucking sick and tired people are of people like medicinecat who scream “troll” or “right wing plant” every single time they start losing an argument?
Just because you don’t agree with Adam doesn’t make him a plant of any sort.
The only other alternative is political and historical ignorance. Which I haven’t entirely ruled out.
What part of the words “genetic testing” do you not understand, medicinecat?
Most of Portland OR activist community knows me or at least knows of me… a disabled middle aged guy with Huntington’s Disease that helped get Occupy Portland off the ground. Either from the first protest or the first couple weeks GA meetings.
Why are you guys bothering to reply to someone wailing about “the media” and “the left”? Whenever I see people using that I find that it’s safe to assume that either they are deliberately trolling or they are morons who believe anything that they are told on a sponsored broadcast that for some reason doesn’t qualify as “the media”. Like they say, “Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.” Fox, Wing Nut Daily, Rush Limbaugh, et al count on that.
This entire story is a pile of bogus crap:
http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/04/sanford-fl-police-deny-any-indication-of-neo-nazis-patrolling/
Correct it now.
As usual, the left has inverted the truth and by projection put the Nazi label on the other side. The German Reichsmark coin minted during the Nazi era has the inscription “Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz” (“The community comes before the individual”). Think about that for a minute. It is not the “right wingers” who believe as the Nazis did, that individuals have no rights and that “the greater good” is the only standard of value, but it is the socialist leftist who believe in collectivism. Only capitalism, which the left despises, regards man as a sovereign individual with an inalienable right to his own life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. The left are the true Nazis.
BTW: after all the race baiting by the leftist MSM with its manipulation and fabrication of facts, this neonazi meme is another just fabrication by the left to encourage a race war.
Wow, you are such a genius that you know more about history than any historian! Most of them seem to think that Nazis were right wing reactionaries who used violence against minorities, invaded countries without any provocation, wanted women to have as many babies as they possibly could, and didn’t like people who weren’t blonde and blue eyed. Instead of being “power to the people” they were all about authoritarianism. They were religious with their “Gott mit Uns” belt buckles. That sounds totally leftist to you apparently, but I’m wondering if you saw that someone mentioned projection and said that “rightists” live in a “Through the Looking Glass” universe and you are another conservative who is dumb enough to think that reciting that and changing it to the other side somehow makes it true. There never seems to be an original thought from your side, and it’s getting downright laughable. Speaking of laughable, look up “fascist” and how the Nazi party was founded so you can stop looking like a total idiot to anyone who passed high school history. Start here, you don’t need to read more than the first couple sentences. We wouldn’t want you to strain yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
Oh, look, it’s a disciple of Jonah Goldberg, currently reigning as #6 runner-up in Atrios’ Wanker-of-the-Decade competition.
Projection. Both a sign of mental illness and standard operating procedure for conservatives.
With no cable and being too busy with college since January, I haven’t been keeping up with the national news… I heard something about hoodies and a shooting, but wow, I had no idea that this was such a big controversy.
So a few questions from someone who has been living under a rock:
Why is this being called a “racial” incident…? A resident sees a stranger wandering around at night ducking in and out of doorways behind the homes in a gated, private community that’s had a rash of recent burglaries and it’s NOT supposed to raise suspicions?! Never mind the fact that neither person involved was white.
And why are people ridiculously claiming that hoodies don’t have a certain negative connotation… when it is exactly because of this negative connotation that many people wear them to look “tough” or “scary” or to conceal their identity. Anyway. Unabomber. Nuff said.
Why are folks harping on the fact that the young man had a bag of Skittles and an Arizona Ice Tea… is this somehow important or are the networks just getting paid royalties every time they can work Skittles and Arizona Ice Tea into the broadcast?
Why is it important that the young man was unarmed… people are beaten and killed every day with nothing more than bare hands.
Why are folks calling community watch patrol in this case “stalking”…
And for the love of god, why are people calling this “racial profiling”… there were no police or law enforcement involved.
And in the midst of all this finger pointing, why is no one pointing the finger of blame at the father? His 17 year old son had been sent to stay with him for a few days of fatherly supervision and discipline after the young man had been repeatedly suspended from school for destruction of school property, possession of a stash of stolen jewelry (and I won’t be surprised if it turns out to be from the homes that had been burglarized in the neighborhood), possession of a weapon (screwdriver), and drug possession. So if he was supposed to be watching his son, why didn’t he even realise until the following day that his son had been missing since the previous evening.
James Byrd, Matthew Shepard, James Anderson… these are real victims of hate crimes. Their murders were senseless, unjustified, and horrific. Martin was an undisciplined young man, a thief, and a drug user who was killed in self defense by the person “he” was beating.
That slogan didn’t quite apply to Jewish, Communist, or homosexual members of the “community” did it.
You are a liar. I just take two paragraphs:
Zimmerman is definitively white. Yes, you can be Hispanic and white. Furthermore are the details more than wrong. The reason Zimmerman even considered Martin as a possible burglar was that Martin was black. That Martin may have started leaving the street and sidewalk is understandable if you consider that he was followed by a crazy guy.
Your claims about Martin’s behavior are suspect. You want to paint his killing as justified. That is clear.
There was no watch patrol, only one crazy guy. And he stalked Martin. Moreover, if members of a patrol stalk someone, it’s still stalking. (You don’t need to be a police officer to do racial profiling. That doesn’t depend on the person doing it.)
You are a dishonest, racist POS.
It should also be mentioned that there were no historians necessary to classify the Nazis as right-wingers. That’s where they positioned themselves in German politics. The few leftist aspects and politicians they incorporated were done to attract more followers among workers.
It’s also joke to conclude that putting community interest before personal interest is leftist. That only means they were authoritarians. And in the Nazis’ case, you can clearly see that they were right-wing fascists.
The misconception likely is a result that the anti-tax and property libertarian frauds are the only libertarians that matter in US politics.
Somebody slip the Moderator a roofie? This thread really did us proud.
…two of the other headlines on the front page of Houseblend today are rightly condemning NOM and Maggie Gallagher for race baiting after internal documents were exposed where they admit to intentionally “driving a wedge” between minorities and fanning racial hostilities.
Yet in the Martin case and with several news outlets admitting to engaging in similar behaviors to make this look like a racist incident (doctoring 9-1-1 calls, videos, and photographs and using phony “experts”), not only is no one here condemning these behaviors, they have taken the bait hook, line, and sinker.
Frankly, I think the whole lot of them NOM, FRC, FOX, ABC, NBC, the Orlando Sentinel, etc should be facing charges for intentionally inciting racial tensions… and I’m sorry if you feel that my being objective and not buying into the obvious double standard makes me a racist.
Except you’re not being objective and you’re demonstrating your double-standard. So yes, you are a racist and you should be ashamed of yourself.
I’ve heard the claims before, just that the evidence never supports the claim. I suppose that you didn’t come to the conclusion yourself, but have some source for it. Could you provide it?
I think that there isn’t much doubt about the racist aspect in the behavior of Zimmerman. The claims that were made to make him look non-racist are stinking, on the other hand.
And you try to connect Martin with being a serial criminal, without any evidence, on questionable claims from obscure sources. You are certainly racist.
It was pointed out by FDL staff a couple weeks ago FDL only has the money to pay one moderator. On nights and weekends (especially holiday weekends) things can get missed. It’s nobody’s fault.
Thanks for reminding them, my mentor was an anarcho-feminist during the Spanish Civil War; she would have been and I am appalled at tossing the Mujeres Libres in with these loathsome creatures from the Right
First I want to address some of shooter242’s comments:
“If the left and media hadn’t started a lynch mob, this wouldn’t have happened. You have only yourselves to blame for inciting racial tension.”
Shooter, I think you need to look at the definition of lynching. Saying that a man who racially profiled then murdered another man should be arrested is not lynching. I wish that people would stop using that term. I don’t know if this is intentional (perhaps it is) but constantly using lynching to define things that are not lynching not only dilutes the word but dilutes the history – the act of lynching. Please stop.
Secondly, shooter, you said: “The racial slur never happened.”
Whether or not the racial slur happened – to me – is irrelevant. Whether or not a crime was racially motivated does not rest solely on whether or not a slur was used while committing that crime.
“Trayvon was the attacker.”
No, George Zimmerman was the self-appointed cop who decided to chase a black kid who was committing no crime other than walking home from the store while carrying Skittles, iced tea, and committing the cardinal sin of walking while black.
“The entire episode has been race-baiting based on falsehoods.”
“Race-baiting” to my ears sounds just as loaded as another term I’ve been noticing a lot when I do Google searches on Trayvon Martin stories: race hustler. Using racist-sounding terms to deny that one is a racist is both amusing and frightening.
“Anyone pushing those falsehoods is the racist.”
No, a racist is a racist. Let’s stop pretending there is no racism in America, first of all. Second of all, stop using the word “racist” inappropriately. See my concern over the misuse of the word “lynching”. I’m suspecting there is a deliberate attempt to distort words like “racism” and “racist” to make them mean nothing more than political strategies to smear opponents. STOP DOING THAT.
mswinkle wrote: “Remember Richard Pearl the so called bomber at the Atlantic games. The media executed him without a trial.”
Re: execute. STOP using violent words to define non-violent things. It dilutes the word and the action.
“What happened here is tragic. But so far, given how much MSM has had to walk back its race baiting claims, I am not sure it was about race.”
Of course you are “not sure it was about race” because apparently it’s NEVER about race. Again with the “race baiting”. STOP IT.