I’m glad that I’m more or less out of the sinking ship that is our country. The lunatics are running it now, and they aren’t the nice happy lunatics, they are Hannibal Lecter and the Joker.

Looking at my driver’s, I see “Date of Birth.” It doesn’t say “Date of Conception.” All 50 states use DoB on their driver’s licenses, meaning THAT’s when a state officially recognizes you as a person. Any time before that moment, you don’t legally exist.

That means that no matter what they want to say with these stupid laws, a state issued driver’s contradicts their stupidity. If I was a woman who was arrested in violating ANY of these laws, that would be my defense. It seems that no one has pointed this out, yet. Any lawyers out there care to comment?

When will virginity tests be instituted?

Insanity wracks the nation.

I think that’s a very good point.

Of course, the Republicans will try to take away our driver’s licenses along with our credit and bank cards, as part of the push towards the Republic of Gilead.

Implantation failure happens a lot as a consequence of any sort of unprotected sex. Take this breathtakingly literal law literally, and the only way to have sex without putting yourself at risk for manslaughter or negligent homicide would be to insure, absolutely, that it does not result in conception.

In effect, this law would make it illegal to have sex for the purpose of procreation. Wow.

I would actually prefer Hannibal Lecter to Rick Santorum or any of the other right-wing clowns in the clown car. Dr. Lecter would throttle the war machine way back and give some of the savings to NASA (he’s a big space fan), as well as the EPA and DOE. (He might also fry up a few of the more egregious politicians, though I would warn him against attempting to eat Newt Gingrich.) Plus, as a psychiatrist, if he were arrogant enough to make a medical diagnosis concerning brain function from a grainy video, he’d have a better shot at getting it right than heart surgeon Bill Frist did with Terri Schiavo.

So I, a childless mother of 5 babies, am now a serial murderer?
My partner saw this and demanded this edit:
So we, childless parents of 5 babies, are serial murderers?

This is misogynist hatred. Surely some woman these men know or knew had a miscarriage.

This is potentially deadly for women, and it will be used as a political football by both Republicans and Democrats in their little game. How awful.

They obviously haven’t thought this one through. Understatement of the year, but not at all surprising considering the source.

But this law wouldn’t just criminalize miscarriage, it also criminalizes all sex that might result in conception. The conceptus will not infrequently fail to implant and thus die. People who make that happen, by having unprotecte sex, could be guilty of some sort of homicide.

If I were still experiencing menses and lived in Colorado I would be packaging up every tampon, every pad and sending them to the assholes who voted for this crap. Along with some very basic information about how the body works, how often implantation does not occur, the rate of spontaneous abortion and in very big letters. I’m a HUMAN BEING and the damn fertilized egg is not and will not be by nature’s will almost a third of the time but here check each and every one of these to make sure that nature and I haven’t violated your utterly idiotic, scientifically unsound and misogynist law. And now figure out how much of Colorado’s money you will be wasting trying to enforce this sucker since you should now be doing exactly what I am asking you to do every month for every woman of child bearing years, along with examining and replacing all their underwear for the days before their period begin.

The bill’s sponsor is a Democrat. She has a bright future with the DLC-controlled, Third Way-triangulating New Democrats.

After all, we’re going to need a lot of new state workers to attend to protecting these fertilized eggs.

For shame, Pam. You know very well that all such tasks are handled more cheaply and efficently by the Private Sector™.

http://jme.bmj.com/content/early/2012/03/01/medethics-2011-100411.short

Every woman who is forced to undergo a state-sponsored rape by transvaginal probe should go into the exam wearing an anti-rape female condom. Doctors might think first before they venture a finger or an instrument into a woman’s private parts.

This is what’s coming up in Georgia. They represent a nation wide state by state sadistic agenda. This is not about life by any definition. It is about oppression of women. Please all, react to it with vigorous exposure and opposition.

Here is the link if you want to read HB954

In a nut shell, HB954 would remove the right of the woman and her family to make a decision about medical care and criminalizes medical professionals.

Other implications of HB954

Women will be forced to carry a stillborn pregnancy to term.
Women with cancer may find that their doctor will not perform an abortion in order for her to receive life-saving treatment.
Women and families could be forced to endure unthinkable pain by being forced to carry to term a pregnancy where there is a lethal fetal anomaly.
HB 954 would place a ban on abortions after 20 weeks. Most fetal anonolomies are diagnosed between 24 – 26 weeks. This bill will force women and families to make decisions to terminate before they have an accurate diagnosis.
Doctors will be charged with a criminal abortion felony with a possible 10 year sentence for performing medical care they are licensed and trained to do.
Doctors will not be allowed to do what they consider to be in the best interest of their patient.

Should this turkey unaccountably (well, not really unaccountably — the other side has been packing the courts for a generation, time for that effort to start paying back for them) not be held unconstitutional, they would see your suggestion about surveillance and raise it.

They would grant couples who are trying to have children a by on unintended implantation failure. Any such failures that do occur while trying to have children would be, by their thinking, simply an unavoidable vicissitude of pre-term life for which the paretns wuld no more be heald legally culpable than if their post-term child were to die by one f the innumerable vicissitudes putting life in that time period at risk. The standard in both cases would be contributory negligence. Let your post-term kid play in traffic, and you may be guilty of some sort of homicide just from negligence. Expose the pre-implanted “child” to unnecessary risk, and ditto.

They would use this reasoning to impose on the users of contraception the requirement to get frequent transvaginal ultrasounds to insure that their contraception was working by means of suppressing ovulation, rather than by means of rendeirng the uterus inhospitable to implantation, or the whole path inhospitable to transit of the conceptus. The idea would be that, whatever the risk of implantation failure in sex without contraception, that’s the standard, natural risk, which, even if higher than the risk of implantation failure in sex protcted by ocntraception, is legally acceptable where even a small magnitude man-made risk is not.

I think State Senator Nina Turner, of Ohio, has taken the right tack in dealing with this issue. She introduced the Viagra Bill in Ohio, which controls men’s health issues in a similar manner.

I don’t understand how poloticians keep getting away with this stuff, with over half of the electorate being women. I know, I know, MOST legislators are men, but how do these freaks get into office if not by the help of the same women they demonize?

And I don’t get how women can vote against their own interests for creeps like these. But then again I don’t get how any poor person finds it reasonable to vote for republicans who just try to get their money to give tax breaks to the rich.

Actually, three of the seven sponsors are women, I’m not sure of all their affiliations, as the House site does not note that where I could find it. But yeah, three women sponsors. Sick.

One item to add to our agenda

Right now all we can do is oppose these laws one by one as they come up in some of our wonderful “laboratories of democracy”.

But should we get the trifecta this coming election (and opposing all these laws could contribute to turning swing voters away from these fanatics enough to swing that result), very near the top of our agenda should be federal law pre-empting all of this dangerous, destructive nonsense. Medical care these days is clearly interstate commerce, Congress has the right and duty to regulate medical care, and these dangeous and destructive laws make clear the need to regulate the states completely out of the business of having any control whatsoever over medical care of any sort.

We have long needed federal medical licensure anyway. Take that function away from the states, and have the legislation that does that forbid states from passing laws that in any way impose any sort of requirements on medical care, period.

If they only had the balls to attach criminal penalties, yes, I MEAN PRISON for the WOMAN I think we would see a swift end to this type of legislation.

As it is not only are women disenfranchised by the legislation itself but the failure to impose criminal penalties on the woman makes her into an INCOMPETENT, a child, someone who is incapable of being held responsible for her acts, just as someone deemed to be insane, incompetent or too young to be held responsible would be treated.

Great, now you have just given some Repub a new idea to have Date of conception listed on DL. Members of the Transvaginal party will not stop until they change the law on women voting and owning property.

The people who would support this insanity are so much in the minority that any politician who would like to increase his popularity with outraged women as well as the majority of men who are agin it, would instantly jump on it and ridicule it mercilessly.

Let’s see if the resident White House amoeba has anything to say about it.

Given that he’s STILL too much of a political coward to come out four-square for the right of Gays to marry, I’m not holding my breath.

I’m not surprised.

At least Obama isn’t openly hostile to the LGBT community. Cannot say tthe same for Gingrich, Santorum, and recently, Romney. .

Since 3 out 4 fertilized eggs never implant then we are going to need some way of determininb if it was through negligent homicide or first degree murder.

Whack jobs! Life starts at birth. Absolutist, zealots do not embrace reason. Ignoring reason and embracing a blindfold is easier. Staying a “substance abuser” is easier than being sober? In both instances “truth,” is absent, in the conditioned mind?

Actually, according to the link there are six sponsors, and all of them are Republicans. Still not surprised.

While everyone is getting justifiably hot under the collar about this, I’ve just been listening to a sobering conversation about organ donation – slightly offtopic, but how many have young folk of either gender who altruistically check that organ donor box on their driver’s licence application or renewal? The consequences are rather awful for the individual in this case, since if a young person becomes brain dead the procedure is to keep the body on life support rather than allowing death to occur.

I haven’t seen any discussion of this. We do discuss allowing natural processes to occur as death approaches in general, but the surgeon being interviewed on this subject actually said that this is a kind of life after death for the donor – to me it is a possibility for needless suffering on the part of that individual. And most young people who are candidates for this wouldn’t have thought about the personal consequences. So, I pose the question here – this is happening; is it right?

None of them are in the position to use the pulpit, and since Obama is, the relative silence from him is not only deafening, it’s extremely helpful to the assholes who are peddling this hateful shit.

I’d add that the people who are ignoring or defending Obama’s political cowardice are also helping them.

The republicans are not the problem. The problem is sitting in the Oval Office. This election is going to be about Barack Obama and what he’s done and not done. The more attention we pay to him and what he’s up to, the better chance we’ll have of getting a little something done (not much…) in what’s left of Obama’s term.

It’s certainly worth giving the conservatives a lick, but now it’s at the point that some liberal bloggers are full-on into talking as if the White House is happily vacant and no one in there has any responsibility for the biggest political turnaround/collapse in a long, long, time.

I agree this passion for “states’ rights” and the tactic of nullification has always been destructive to the union and the vehicle for all kinds of abuses, not the least of which was the “domestic arrangements” of the old slave holding states.

The corrupting attacks on the medical profession are especially disturbing. We will be left with no one to trust. It addition to the GA bill I have cited there is one to make doctors immune from liability for lying to pregnant women about the presence of serious debilitating congenital defects.

A strong national agenda for civil liberties is critical.

Yes it is happening. Moving back to the presence of a heart beat being defining of life will undo the brain dead definition and will seriously inhibit the transplant programs and what happens in hospice.

Yes, the bully-pulpit has gone unused on so many issues in Obama’s term. His true loyalties are demonstrated by his silence or rapid capitulation on issues of health, civil rights, and the economy.

Maybe the chastity belt is next! Where are all the doctors and nurses that would be administering these insane laws if they become law? The medical profession should be up in arms but I hear nary a peep out of anyone. They should be marching arm in arm with the women and increase pressure on these numb nuts that these measures will backfire. To to their homes, walk them in and out of the legislature, surround them! Take action!

Women will be forced to carry a stillborn pregnancy to term. Women and families could be forced to endure unthinkable pain by being forced to carry to term a pregnancy where there is a lethal fetal anomaly.

Sadly, this happens in Catholic Hospitals in communities across the country. If a family can afford to find another hospital and can afford to get there-then, perhaps, they can live with their grief as they choose not as dogma prescribes.

Health matters should be private but these misogynistic lawmakers have women in their families and medical records, I bet, would reveal some different choices.

So… if a fertilized egg is a person, shouldn’t it be charged with attempted murder — or at least negligent attempted homicide — if it carelessly implants itself in a woman’s fallopian tubes?

I believe the medics will be heard from. One can hope ;vigorously. They/we did when the insurance companies tried to get us to sign non-disclosure contracts in which we would agree to NOT tell of or recommend to the patients of alternative treatments not covered by their particular plan.. But you must remember that the penalties being legislated for breaking these laws are pretty intimidating. There is also in the proposed fracking rules demands the the doctors not tell the patients the names of the chemicals they are being poisoned with. (proprietary secrecy you know)

I just posted on another article the reminder that we live in a country where profits for business are the first priority of government. The rest is icing.

These are sadistic laws and proposals, intended I think to torture women.

When a known and obvious result of the law is to force a woman to carry a dead and decaying fetus inside her until her body either rejects it or develops a septic infection?

Yes, it’s intended to be torture, and to reduce women to the status of compelled breeders. It’s intended to make women afraid of their own bodies. It’s intended to take away any talk of women being equal to men.

Yes. The whole onslaught has left me feeling I am being raped repeatedly.
That is their intent.

we’re going to need a lot of new state workers to attend to protecting these fertilized eggs.

“State workers”? Don’t you mean “private contractors”?

Because of this article and the stupid Colorado state house, I made a new video called: “A Fetus is NOT a Person.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPNZUvTxXNA&list=UUZCwRixjqCqS0d4_kN-J0Aw&index=1&feature=plcp