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As we learned back in 2008, the race-baiting fringe was so overwhelmed by the possibility of having a black man as President that they became completely unglued, showing up at McCain/Palin rallies to hang their bigoted @sshattery out for the whole world to see, gleefully shaking monkey dolls with “Obama” on them, burning crosses and the like. And of course the GOP did nothing to condemn it — and even whipped up the racial/Muslim/terrorist angle.
This emotional hate/fear-building strategy was so successful that McCain was forced to dial the sh*t back, resulting in a hilarious, telling moment captured on video where the Senator from Arizona tried — and failed — to convince a woman that Barack Obama was “not an Arab,” but a good family man and patriot. They reap what they sow. Remember this?
The image below had to be one of the most incendiary images of the 2008 campaign.
Well, it’s 2012, and the fringe is ready for battle again, still convinced that the Negro in the White House has to go. Darrell Fisher, of Memphis, TN, posted this mobile shot on his Facebook page and noted: “Oh and the GOP says race…what race? This has nothing to do with race just policy.”
The sticker reads “Don’t Re-Nig In 2012,” in large white type, the smaller text below reads: “Stop repeat offenders. Don’t re-elect Obama!” The offensive design appears to have originated at a site called Stumpy’s Stickers (which now displays a 404 not found message). Huff Post:
The site sells variations on the same idea, including another “Don’t Re-Nig” design and a caricature of a black man’s face with a missing tooth, a picture of a chimp that reads “Obama 2012,” and another with a drawing of several Ku Klux Klan members that reads “The Original Boys In The Hood.”
That “Boys in the Hood” garbage I saw several years ago when I went to the mountain region of North Carolina, to a touristy section of Maggie Valley and a section of one of the souvenir stores had several T-shirts with that trash on it, as well as ones that had a giant flaming “X” on it, saying “They have their “X” (referring to Malcolm X), and we have ours.”
This one below had to be one of the most incendiary images of the 2008 campaign.
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Now that you mention it, I haven’t heard a lot of “blah” people saying “We want our country back” since the time President Obama took office.
how can someone pick up their child at school or drive into a church parking lot with that statement on the back of their car?
Yet another one for the “They say they’re not racists, but” file.
Haw haw.
Just as funny as the Liberal hunting license bumper sticker a few years back.
Boys just gotta have fun, until you run into someone who has a bigger bumper.
Maybe there are likeminded folks at school and church, and they share the same virus.
In South Boston there’s a US flag with Obama’s face in place of the stars. It’s not the complimentary version such as at the DNC, but rather depicted O as “The Joker” as in that poster from a couple of years ago. Same colors, too.
Cherry-picking the crazies for their outrageous shit.
Getting’ to be a cottage industry around here.
Pam, do you think there’s any racism inherent in trying to occupy an entire country to make it safe for corporate amurka? Or, in slaughtering thousands of it’s people, including the most recent group of 16 men, women, and children?
I don’t think we can put that on the republican’s bartab.
YMMV.
Of course! Do you think we’d be even having a conversation about Obama being a secret foreigner/Muslim if he wasn’t black? Of course not!
As for the people who own that vehicle, I’m sure they have lots of black friends! Probably some gay friends as well which means that they can support FotF all they want and not be bigoted assholes.
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Thank you for your daily content trolling. GO AWAY AND START YOUR OWN F*CKING BLOG SINCE THE CONTENT OF THIS ONE IS SO INADEQUATE!
Who would put a bumper sticker like that on his car? And what kind of place does he live in where such a thing is seen as OK?
We need another Civil War so we can send an integrated army Down South again and raise hell with those types, apparently they don’t remember Sherman’s March to the Sea well enough and need a little reminder.
As personalities go Barack Obama is one of the more decent men to be President, not Ike or Carter, but a damn site better than Bush, Reagan, Clinton, or his rivals Clinton, McCain, Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich.
He seems like the type of person who isn’t too full of himself, who tries to avoid extremes humans are wont to go to.
But again, Obama resides over a judicial system that kills black people, and imprisons them in great numbers; does he use his power of pardon? He has ordered the dropping of bombs that have killed innocent black children in numbers that make the the bombing of the church in Birmingham look like a humanitarian gesture.
So on one hand, we discharge our emotion over bad words, but resign ourselves to “the lesser of two murderers” every 4 years. At least cognitive dissonance makes people feel bad; I detect none in the “Progressive” discourse.
I couldn’t and I wouldn’t. But I would do the same thing-photograph it, but with a prominent feature in the environment, street sign, billboard.
From the public sidewalk, I might even wait to photograph the driver when they return. I would tell him the sign is racist and that an American would be ashamed to carry that sign. But make no direct reference to a racist car driver (owner?).
IF Obama had some Stones his campaign not us would be pushing this story in African American and Hispanic media to help get out the minority vote. For hispanics it would help if some choice anti Hispanic quotes from Mitt and Rick were also mentioned.
I wonder if anyone at Obama’s campaign has a clue. Also Obama in the regular media needs his tv talking heads to make a big stink about this and get GOP talking heads to either deny that racists are real GOPers, get them to waffle or change the subject, get them to play the false Dems are racists too card etc.
We need people talking about this story. We need Dem talking heads however who don’t waffle and let the GOPers change the subject or run out the clock with non answers.
The Media cannot ignore the story if Obama uses it to rally minorities and his talking heads make a big deal about it.
You can certainly count on the Republicans to stay classy, can’t you? s/
The only way to stop these racist attacks is to make them public and use them to rally minorities and turn Moderate Voters away from the GOP by making them as public as possible.
Obama needs to do this not only for himself but for every African American heck every non White in America letting such racist hate go unanswer only encourages the hate to continue and unlike Obama I don’t have Secret Service protection.
The more the racist hate builds the more hate crimes we can expect as the Presidential race gets closer. So do me a favor Obama RESPOND!
I watched Obama on the TeeVee last night, giving a great speech. But I could not believe a word of it.
The simple fact is, there would not be that much difference between a President Obama and a President Romney. Romney tries to convince the Right he’s really one of them, while Obama talks to us like he’s one of us. But neither posing is true, they are much alike. It is probable that Obama would be marginally better than Romney, given the current political realities, but “marginal” is all. Both would continue policies that promote the decline of the US and preside over them with stirring speeches.
Obama in 2009 had a historic chance to really do something. The US objectively needs $2 trillion just to fix the crumbling infrastructure we have and at least that much again to modernize it for the future. Coupled with a repeal of the Bush tax cuts, and moreover re-enacting something like the pre-Reagan tax rates, and quickly downsizing the war, he could have spend that and more and still start balancing the budget/reducing the debt.
Instead of an auto bailout that reduced UAW wages, he could have initiated a “bailout” that would have addressed the real problem–the system of private health insurance that weighs like an albatross on the profitability of companies like GM and Chrysler. As an emergency measure, he could have put everyone w/o health insurance on Medicare (after all, if losing 4,000 people at the WTC is an emergency, why isn’t losing 40,000 people each and every year due to our profit-drive health care system an emergency??). That might have been possible by executive order, and moreover like FDR he could have started a WPA by executive order. SS could have righted *and greatly improved* by removing the cap and applying the 6.3 % tax to ALL INCOME (hello, Bain Capital and capital gains!)
He could have had the SEC clean out the banks, prosecuted war criminals, and more. Much of this did not require Congressional approval and the things that needed it he could have gotten via reconciliation (or simply blowing up the filibuster Day One).
If he had done this, he would have been wildly popular. There would have been no Republican 2010 sweep, such policies would have brought health care to everyone, balanced the budget, promoted full employment, and brought out all the dirty laundry of the previous conservative administrations into full view.
Obama chose to do NONE of the above.
Oh but now he’s on our side again. He’s going to fight for us. Even though his party doesn’t control Congress, regaining control is problematical, and even if he had control President Bipartisan doesn’t believe in ramming things through save RomneyCare. RomneyCare is Obama’s most egregious act, for it shows that he really does drink the neoliberal Kool-Aid that capitalism is the answer and so that the real problem with US health care inflation must be one of demand and supply, that US consumers are just consuming too much health care and thus they must pay more out of pocket to reduce demand (never mind the irksome little fact that American actually utilize LESS health care services than everyone else, and already pay MORE out-of-pocket than everyone else, so that if that were true we’d should have the CHEAPEST health care in the world, not the priciest. But that would then turn to the for-PROFIT nature of our system as then being the only difference).
As for 2012, I’ve heard all the arguments. Yes, if Romney is elected things will be worse. Yes, if the Democrats lose they will learn the wrong lesson and move rightward instead of leftward. But also continuing them in power doesn’t seem to help either. After all, Clinton repealed Glass-Steagall in his 2nd term and toyed with the idea of privatizing SS.
So what to do?
-stewartm
Obama’s actually caught in a trap that most African-Americans know all too well — the trap of The Angry Black Man or Woman. It’s one reason why he habitually bends over backwards to accommodate people most of us don’t think rate anything beyond a slap in the face.
Interestingly, after decades of constantly denying their use of racism to protect the one-percenters whose interests they serve, the Republicans and conservatives are now shifting their focus to pick on white working-class folks and other 99%ers: “Pickup Trucks Are The New Cadillacs”. In addition, Richard D. Wolff noticed this as a theme in Charles Murray’s new book Coming Apart, whose main targets aren’t black people but the white working classes.
We used to call Bush the Chimp because he looked like one and he was stupid (ok we were being unfair to chimps) the GOP lacking creativity is stealing our material but forgetting that Obama in the Presidential debates was only a little better than McCain was awesome debating all the GOP house Reps.
If anything Mitt and Rick are trying to be even more Right than those nuts. If we assume that Mitt and Rick will keep using House GOP/Fox News ideas in their debates against Obama…well Obama should clean up and McCain for doing so well in comparison against Obama in his debates will suddenly start getting Cred and become a person who will have a big voice in changing the GOP when they reorganize after losing the WH.
It will be hard for the racists to call Obama a chimp if he smacks their Presidential candidates in the debates like he did the House GOP.
Indeed.
One tiny correction – Mitt will NEVER give a stirring speech.
I strongly suspect that people working for Obama’s campaign tipped off HuffPo (or whoever HuffPo got this from, if it didn’t originate with HuffPo).
Mitt has zero charisma. He outspends his opponents by huge margins — he smothered Santorum by nearly 100-to-1 in Iowa, for instance — and he still hasn’t been able to put this thing away.
Thanks for reminding me — I have to get back to comparing 2012 GOP primary/caucus turnout with that of 2008. I stopped after Florida, where turnout was markedly down from 2008.
i dunno, Twain; every time I see him speaking and just dripping with that “I’ve got mine and fuck anyone who doesn’t like it…” slime, I get stirred up and think:
“Shitfire, I shoulda bought some stock in G.E. so that I could get in on that 14 bil in profits with no tax liability.”
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Hi, Margaret.
Shorter and easier solution:
If you don’t like what I post, then don’t fucking read it.
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As for my “trolling”…you KNOW that’s a damn lie.
BTW; if you’ll let me know when you got picked for the Queen of the Site, I’ll genuflect in your direction, every time I post.
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Too much fear of that trap can be paralyzing. If that was O’s problem, he must not have noticed MLK and the many other powerful and effective black leaders of recent history who were seen as not angry but dedicated to vital issues. Angry is mostly a demeanor, effective work does not require it. Yes, FDR could show anger and be applauded for it and Obama would be vilified were he to do so. But FDR’s model is not the only choice for Obama.
“Of course not!”
As is often the case, you’re as wrong as two left feet.
Way back when Eisenhower was prez, some of the wingers were accusing him of being “a conscious communist agent”.
And anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that you can scroll around on the ‘net and find things that are so outrageous that no one but the people who, as the saying goes, think that Joseph and Mary rode into Bethlehem on the back of a Stegosaurus really believe it.. Pam knows, and so do you, that this shit is being used to divert attention from what Barack Obama is doing and not doing. Far from being a threat to Obama (and, ahem, the people doing left-handed pimping for him shrieking about this nonsense…) it helps him, because it tends to make ciphers like you get up in arms about what a few idiots are saying, instead of focusing on what Obama is DOING.
You guys can keep waving the fear dolls, but as that old saying goes:
“You may not believe in reality, but reality believes in you.”
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The problem is that there are folks (generally though not always white and heterosexual) who try to hijack posts dealing with racial or LGBT or other issues just to make sure the daily Three Minutes Hate against Obama is accomplished. They wouldn’t hijack cat threads, but they will hijack these threads and drive off quality commenters.
The point of FDL is not to be pro- or anti-Obama, or to refight the 2007-08 Primary Wars. The point as I see it is to allow the truth, from various perspectives usually suppressed or ignored by the establishment media, to be expressed. Sometimes it’s favorable to Obama, much of the time it’s not. But Manichaeism is not FDL’s stock in trade.
Now there you go, Stewart, dropping a reality turd into Margaret’s chiffon congeal.
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Oh, exactly. There are other forces at work with him, in particular the Absent/Hostile-Daddy Syndrome seen in so many other prominent politicians. (Bill Clinton is a good example of this. He spent his teens literally trying to keep his stepdad from killing his mother — by persuasion when possible, but at least once through physical resistance.)
Know what’s sad here?
None of the last dozen-odd comments in this thread have been by PHB regulars. Was that your intent, to drive them off by hijacking it?
Right you are, Phoenix…
The point is to allow the truth…and in this case, the truth is that focusing on the outrageous racism of a few idiots, while largely ignoring the truth which, for example, Stewart so accurately nailed about Obama, and the like of which, to my knowledge, Pam has never written anything even approaching it…that truth needs to be “allowed”, too.
And I would submit that what is going on in Afghanistan is far worse, and Obama’s ratcheting up of the misery there, is one hell of lot more important than a bumper sticker which some knee-jerk puts on his car. Put it like this: very few people would subscribe to, or support, that. It’s herring-dragging for Obama, and it’s a lot more harmful to a progressive agenda than is that bumper sticker.
It’s that simple…and truthful.
Did they email you and say that I was driving them off? Did they post that?
Because I didn’t see it.
If their interest in reading and posting here is so fragile that someone pointing out the fact that hysteria about a bumper-sticker is less important than Barack Obama’s responsibity for the slaughtering of innocent men, women, and children, can drive them off, then they need to get out more, in an internet sense.
Likewise, if the price of “broadening the fan base” is stifling an opinion about the subject matter of threads, then you, or someone, needs to a better job of recruiting.
Oops. Forgot to mention:
Forgot to remind you: this isn’t Pam’s House Blend; it’s Firedog Lake, and we are the most open, and least-given to bullshit, of any blog that I know of.
And whining about a bumper sticker that’s so outrageous that it helps Obama, while ignoring the bloody mess that Obama has sustained and ratcheted up in Afghanistan, I have to say, is bullshit.
Alerts to race baiting are important. Criticism of Afganistan policy is important. I don’t think a priority contest is useful. What do you think would be the most effective things we can do here to combat both?
The bumper sticker IS important. We have allowed this creeping racism to bloom into out-in-the-open venom and hatred and it must be stopped. It’s dangerous and sickening and does not represent the best interests of our country. You can’t compare it to something like killing people (of which I strongly disapprove). It’s just another sign of our country sinking into the muck.
You are 100% correct in everything you wrote here, as is stewart. “Content trollism” certainly would seem to be in the eye of the beholder, since Margaret’s increasingly strident and militant and repetitive efforts to shape the discussion in a way that clearly favors Obama’s interests are becoming a major irritant to me, as well. If a comment offends somebody’s political preferences, just don’t read it!!!!! Or, refute it, IF YOU CAN. BUT, nobody has the right to tell anybody else to shut up. Everybody gets to speak, and hopefully the truth boils to the top. That is how it works. Managing debate is just another kind of mindfuckery, and it is absolutely unacceptable. It’s especially unacceptable if those who are supporting Margaret’s or PW’s position are in fact planning to vote for Obama. Maybe some disclosure is in order if that is the case.
And yes, racism is horrible, and attacks on gender rights are horrible, but if fear of that gets the worst Dem prez of our lifetimes re-elected so he can finish destroying the New Deal and cementing a police state into place forever, things a Rethug would find it much more difficult to get away with doing, then where does the real wisdom lie?
I often read PHB, but seldom comment. You can’t tell by the comments section how wide a diary reaches.
Oh, and with a usenet pedigree, I find the definition of “trolling” commonly used here and on web forums in general expansive. I witnessed the rise of the Right in the 1970s and one of the frustrating things about that period was how the liberal/left thought it “beneath them” to respond to respond to Rightist arguments. I think the result of this was to a lot of casual observers, the non-responses just seemed that the Right had all the answers and that liberalism or the left had nothing save empty sloganeering (“power to the people”) and fists in the air. Just like John Kerry’s non-response to Swiftboat cost him. Rightwing trolls deserve smackdown with the facts, so lurkers know faulty arguments when they see them.
As in the pro-Obama/anti-Obama thing, I’m in the middle. Sadly, I really don’t see a strategy for positive change in the making in 2012 or in the short run, either whether Obama wins or loses. I’m more inclined to Ian Welsh, positive change will only occur when a high pain threshold is reached, when the elites (or enough of them) start getting scared and/or when things decline enough that they won’t be able to enforce the rightwing policies (the drug war may be among the first casualties of this). Obama had probably the best chance to fix things when they could be fixed with a minimum of pain and now that chance is gone. Now we are in Banana Republic mode.
I hate to say all this, but it seems true.
-stewartm
There it is: The inevitable “Margaret must be defending Obama” meme. Nope. All I’m doing is saying that as one of PHB’s regulars, (as well as a long time paid FDL member), you’re driving me off by using every post as a segue to declaim on how badly Obama sucks. I get it! Obama and the Democrats suck! I told you that when many on this blog were calling me a racist for not enthusiastically supporting him. So, though I’ve not changed my mind, I’m certain that the majority who now so stridently hate him were among those who were badmouthing me for pointing out his cons in 2006! Just because you finally woke the f*ck up is no justification for hijacking this blog.
Another hall monitor, so how many do we need? Let me take a stab at what may have happened. Tanbark asserted that racist bumper stickers are not as important as racist killings. Racism is not simply what one says or does, it’s obviously a state of mind. Sometimes that state of mind contains an unaware wish to not hear about it so much. When that wish appears, however indirectly, it upsets everyone.
No, that wasn’t it. For me it was….
….the whining about the content of the post. I don’t see any twist marks on tanbark’s arms, forcing him/her to read this post. Who died and made tanbark the ultimate content arbiter?
Going out to buy some garden soil and mulch for my pretty little plants that i hope to eat if she sends us some rain this summer.
Firstly, Margaret, let me make it perfectly clear that I do not have, and have never had, a problem with you or anything you want to say on any topic. Fact is, I like you for your smarts and spunk. So, it ain’t personal, OK? And it’s not only about Obama. You spanked someone on the current Watercooler Tech Update thread for going OT, as you saw it (I’m sure he thought his comment was relevant). My point, and I make it pointedly, is that the threads are a place for debate and discussion, and nobody has standing to tell anyone else they cannot speak their point. The Mods will step in if something is too objectionable, other than that, it is not your place or anybody else’s to try and delimit the parameters of the conversation. I appreciate that you may dislike clutter, but your efforts are sure to generate clutter of their own (like this lol). I feel very strongly about not trying to manipulate the marketplace of ideas, on any topic, and you will find me arguing against any attempts to do so on any posting where I encounter them. I’m not against you, I’m for the marketplace of ideas concept.
Realitychecker; thanks.
What is happening is that the cheerleaders for “Obama sucks less!” are ginning up the effort to stifle those of us who are tired of reading rants about how terrible are the republicans, when the person who has sustained so much republican fuckery is a nominal democrat sitting in the White House and trying to fire up democrats to fight for another 4 years of bipartisan uselessness.
Margaret has put up some posts that were critical of Obama, but trying to stop the posting that points out the highly selective (and useless) outrage over some idiot putting a bumper sticker on his car, while the cost of living is going through the roof, is clearly helping Obama, as is the cherry-picking of the worst of the wingnuts ranting, for purposes of fear-pimping.
Joel says: “Let me take a stab at what may have happened.”
Let me help you with the “stabbing”:
Here’s what DID happen: a few days ago one (and maybe a few more…) of the members of our military which is currently trying to make Afghanistan safe for the Fortune 500, systematically massacred 16 unarmed men, women, and children. I don’t give a shit what Barack Obama says, it was a mini-My Lai, and deserves FAR more ongoing outrage from anyone with a conscience, than does some bumper-sticker slogan on the back of some knuckle-dragger’s car.
In fact, I suggest that, just now, talking about much of anything BUT that slaughter, and it’s implications, can be said to be helping sweep it under the rug…which is what Obama and our military are frantically trying to do.
For all you who are pissing and moaning about “hijacking threads” and “staying on topic”, it’s like this:
Barack Obama will respond to pressure. Boy, will he ever. When the shitstorm broke on his head over the sorry spectacle of his firing Sherrod, he couldn’t try to walk that back, fast enough. He’s the most poll-driven president since LBJ used to walk around with favorable poll results in his pocket to show to people. Every time someone paints him as the “victim” of right wing extremism they are not just ignoring the truth about how much political clout he’s squandered in his three-plus years in office, they are trying to cover up and forgive the squandering, and the wretched deals he’s cut with the republicans on things which are a hell of a lot more important to all americans than some vestigial racist bumper sticker. And there is nothing more certain to guarantee that IF he’s re-elected, we’ll get 4 more years of the same.
Again, he will respond to pressure, but if there’s no pressure then we get warbot foreign policy, Wall Street economic policy, a healthcare “reform” with no public option, Social Security on the chopping block, and on and on.
Defending him from a few peckerheads, instead of leaning on him to at the least, try to do the right thing and to embrace the real changes that we so desperately need, is a “poor Obama” shuck, and it’s a waste of energy and bandwidth.
And I have nothing personally against you. My objection is to tanbark’s original objection over the content. Discussion is one thing but tanbark started off by deploring the content that Pam, a smart and enthusiastic writer and a dedicated activist, posted. She deserves better than reflexive criticism because somebody thinks she isn’t being cruel enough towards Obama. That’s it. My ire has no other root. Tanbark was being disrespectful. I don’t require people to be respectful but is it too much to ask they not be disrespectful? Nobody has forced tanbark to read anything, (just like it was pointed out to me that I could have skipped tanbark’s comment). S/he could have glanced at the post and moved on but instead, s/he chose to come into the comments section and post about what a waste of white space Pam’s post is. THAT’S what I’m criticizing. Nothing else.
True. Obama had political capital that most politicians would have died for. He wasted it on wooing Republicans for “bipartisanship”. History will remember how he blew (or ignored) his historic mandate.
Remember, when the historic Wisconsin protests went down, Obama was nowhere near it. He was chasing John Boehner around DC begging for a “grand bargain”, where Obama himself put raising the Medicare age on the table. I think Obama has found populism again mainly because he couldn’t run a re-election campaign on “I love Republicans.”.
Read my 44, if you have the courage to and the ability to comprehend beyond your self blindered state. Please. Read it in the spirit it was posted and understand, I couldn’t care less how you feel about Obama and that’s not what my complaint was based on.
Well, Margaret, we all get a say, but you didn’t say “don’t read the ones you don’t like”; you told me to leave.
My 2c is I’m glad you’re here. We agree on a lot of things, obviously, but when you start coming after me for pointing out some unpleasant truth about bloggers shrieking about trivial shit like a bumper sticker, then you’re going to hear something back. I trust we’ve both been around here long enough that giving and taking a little stick isn’t going to send us to counseling. And I say again, when we get into the meat of the campaign, you aint seen nothing yet.
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Clinton and Gingrinch had cut a deal to partially privatize SS, but the Monica scandal broke and the deal fell to the way side because of it.
Who’s to say Obama won’t try and privatize SS if he wins a 2nd term?
My complaint was based on how you were dismissing Pam’s post and only on how you were dismissing Pam’s post. I’m in full agreement with what you said, except the part where you dismiss Pam’s post. Sorry, I don’t know how I can be more clear than that. Pam doesn’t deserve your scorn and has, in fact, more than earned a right to your respect. Not being part of the LGBT community, perhaps you think her just some other blogger. Don’t make that mistake. The polite thing to have done would be to have just moved on. You didn’t. I called you out. it’s that simple. I have a lot of respect for what you say but that was unnecessary and rude.
The beautiful thing about free and open debate and discussion is that it frequently takes people to places unplanned for but much appreciated when reached, and frequently with a big, albeit unexpected, increase in overall enlightenment. That is the rationale behind the marketplace of ideas concept. Posts that involve politics are especially amenable to such effects, IMO. And the writers, like Pam, are smart enough to realize and appreciate that, or should be, also IMO. I know you are smart enough to understand that so many who post political commentary are looking ahead to what they think and hope the effect of their comments will be on the beliefs and behavior of others (everyone’s a damn political strategist lol), so I really don’t see how you can find it unfair in any sense to let those conversations go where they may once they have been launched.
I’m glad to see this come out in public now rather than August. I’m as pissed at Obama as most people here but I want it on honest grounds. I don’t want to have to vote for him just to vote against asshole whites but I will if I have to. I’m more free to choose my stupidity than they are.
And please don’t tell me I’m being baited. If you’re white and say you have not seen it until now, you’re lying. They have been loud and obnoxious increasingly in places they know they can get away with it (no balls) since Obama stated intentions to run for the office. They make me embarrassed to be white and I hate them.
“I couldn’t care less about how you feel about Obama.”
Well, as a regular on here, I sure care how YOU feel about him.
And I also care how Pam feels about him, since she’s a threader here. But she’s not a sacred cow. None of us are.
It comes right back to this: Obama needs to be pressured, and putting up threads about the racism expressed on the bumper of some redneck’s car sure as hell aint pressuring him.
In fact, since lately you’ve tried repeatedly to stifle other people from criticizing Obama, under the guise of “hijacking” and going off-topic, I’m thinking that you’re already a closet member of the “Obama sucks less!” squad, but you know that if you come out, you’ll catch hell from a lot of people on here.
We’ll just see how it plays out.
drive by nag: Boys have spunk, girls have courage.
“I’m glad to see this come out now, in public, rather than in August…”
I agree, Tom. It’s a discussion/debate that needs to take place, but I think it’ll be ongoing, probably all the way to the election.
I just think that Obama has sustained too many spinning bushCo plates for him to get away with coasting into another 4 years.
What’s the best way to pressure O? Rocky?
You will never have another happy day if you take personal responsiblity for reacting against every stupid or ugly thing any white person does. How about, instead, acting to show your APPROVAL of the white guys who wrote the Bill of Rights that Obama is trashing? Would that not require you to NOT vote for Obama? Honest query.
That’s just another form of discrimination lol. Everyone gets the same treatment from me, all the way down the line. Reciprocity rules.
(And Margaret has both spunk and courage, I’d never take either away from her.)
PHB is a soap additive, no?
Pam, I read your headline and I thought, “Huh? Why’s “renege” spelled wrong?” And what race was being run?
Than I saw the photo….
Now, whoever is putting this out does undertand homonyms, but sure doesn’t get that puns also need to make sense to be clever. This is not clever. This is plain ugly.
“Pam’s House Blend”. Please try to keep up.
Point taken.
Indeed. But apparently the people jacking this thread are so insistent that every single FDL post be nothing but a Three Minutes ObamaHate that they don’t see the ugliness and I suspect rather applaud it because it’s directed against Obama.