I understand that for many people it’s not, but for me it’s a choice, and you don’t get to define my gayness for me. A certain section of our community is very concerned that it not be seen as a choice, because if it’s a choice, then we could opt out. I say it doesn’t matter if we flew here or we swam here, it matters that we are here and we are one group and let us stop trying to make a litmus test for who is considered gay and who is not.
– Cynthia Nixon, in an interview for the New York Times magazine
I kind of understand where Cynthia Nixon, an actress best known for her role in HBO’s Sex and the City, is coming from. The problem with her statement is that it comes at a time when much of American finally has heard enough science points to being gay (or straight, for that matter) is certainly not a choice. While a black-and-white notion about sexual orientation is helpful to the lesbian and gay movement in the struggle for equality, this thinking at the same time renders bisexuality invisible.
There is still much confusion about the idea of a person being able to be emotionally and sexually attracted to men and women, also compounded by the fact that for straight and gay people it’s hard to see that:
- The attraction is perhaps skewed more toward men or women than equally so for bisexuals;
- The bisexual person’s attractions are not about promiscuity.
And some misconceptions are far more egregious and widely held:
- Bisexuals are really straight people on the DL exploring “the other side”
- Most bisexuals are having their cake and eating it too, opting to favor marrying an opposite partner for “straight privilege”
- Bisexuals aren’t concerned about LGBT equality since they can “opt-out at any time” to suppress any same-sex attraction.
I could go on and on, but you get the idea. Nixon’s statements about any identification with the term “bisexual,” while understandable, don’t help:
Her face was red and her arms were waving. “As you can tell,” she said, “I am very annoyed about this issue. Why can’t it be a choice? Why is that any less legitimate? It seems we’re just ceding this point to bigots who are demanding it, and I don’t think that they should define the terms of the debate. I also feel like people think I was walking around in a cloud and didn’t realize I was gay, which I find really offensive. I find it offensive to me, but I also find it offensive to all the men I’ve been out with.”
Accepting that bisexuality exists (I suppose there are probably some in the straight or LGT community that will argue otherwise), it’s odd that Nixon won’t claim the identity — it’s not a label, per se; it obviously helps make her point that sexuality is a continuum, with most falling on the straight or gay end of it, and some smaller number of people falling right in the middle. Our culture acknowledges a binary view of sexual orientation, so it’s only natural that for those who are bisexual, find this out about themselves later, as they struggle with that socially enforced binary rule. And for a gay community wanting to ensure a certainty about its identity to ward off claims by the fundies that we are engaging in same-gender sex acts just to piss them off as agents of Satan, bisexuality muddies the waters.
Over at AMERICAblog, John Aravosis described Nixon’s remarks as “irresponsible” and said:
She is into both genders. And that’s fine. But she needs to learn how to choose her words better, because she just fell into a right-wing trap, willingly. When the religious right says it’s a choice, they mean you quite literally choose your sexual orientation, you can change it at will, and that’s bull.
It’s not a “choice,” unless you consider my opting to date a guy with brown hair versus a guy with blonde hair a “choice.” It’s only a choice among flavors I already like. And if you like both flavors, men and women, you’re bisexual, you’re not gay, so please don’t tell people that you are gay, and that gay people can “choose” their sexual orientation, i.e., will it out of nowhere. Because they can’t. And when you tell the NYT they can, you do tremendous damage to our civil rights effort. Every religious right hatemonger is now going to quote this woman every single time they want to deny us our civil rights. Thanks.
I’m probably a bit less peeved than John only because I don’t look at Cynthia Nixon as a serious spokesperson for the community, and I don’t think this gives fundies damaging ammunition from her that would derail the LGBT civil rights struggle at this point. I just kind of sighed and thought her passion/anger got in the way of seeing the big picture. While some celebrities are clued into movement politics or issues, many others are not, and occasionally they get the mic in front of them and utter poorly chosen terminology, or worse, get facts screwed up or flat-out wrong.
Cynthia Nixon’s mistake, IMHO, was not seeing an opportunity to claim bisexuality, to bring it out of the shadows; she made a conscious choice not to align with that point of view. For those in the bisexual community tired of invisibility and misconceptions, they can point to this NYT interview as another example of affirming the status quo of confusion. If there was more of a discussion about bisexuality it would help unravel what leverage the anti-gays still have. After all, they studiously avoid discussions about bisexuality, along with the existence of intersex individuals (born with intermediate or atypical combinations of genitalia that usually distinguish female from male). Anything in nature that deviates from gender or sexual orientation binary norms confounds them – but there’s no reason for those of us on the side of equality from opening a better dialog on these topics, even if it is uncomfortable. Otherwise you will have the Cynthia Nixons of the world inadvertently “leading the way” with a personal view that is spun as some sort of scientific truth.





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Interesting…she is in denial all right, denial about being just a plain old bisexual. We’re not so scary, sheesh!
I think this is a matter of semantics. It seems to me like she’s talking about something different, when she she talks about choice, than what most LGBT folks mean.
Translation: I’m bisexual
She made another statement to clarify her remarks. She isn’t in denial. But she doesn’t like the label. Precisely because there are misconceptions about bisexuality and because they get shit from both sides.
This is the choice Cynthia Nixon made, “I don’t pull out the “bisexual” word because nobody likes the bisexuals. Everybody likes to dump on the bisexuals.”
GLAAD thought she was worthy of the Vito Russo Media Award and this is what Cynthia Nixon said when she received that award http://youtu.be/NwJ73a0LhKc
“…they studiously avoid discussions about … the existence of intersex individuals (born with intermediate or atypical combinations of genitalia that usually distinguish female from male). Anything in nature that deviates from gender or sexual orientation binary norms confounds them…”
…while religions may have the luxury of avoiding discussions about hermaphroditism and intersexed individuals
…our representatives and lawmakers have an outright responsibility and obligation to address the issue as it pertains to legally defining marriage as “one man one woman.”
Nobody has any stake in what any other person does with their genitals. The path to love can be so torturous, but being on the path is good enough. Or should be.
Okay, okay. Try to give her credit for beginning the conversation about the distinctions between being thus and so and acting thus and so, about destiny and fate, about impulses and behaviors.
On an OT note, I don’t ‘embrace’ the so-called LGBT (even as I realize that the ACLU employs that initialism) so-called ‘community’ (to me an abstract euphemism for ‘ghetto’ in the old, European sense) primarily because of their exclusivity and failure to include frigid, impotent, and asexual folks, who happen to suffer their own kinds of alienation, even if they aren’t reviled and discriminated against under law.
Religion is a choice.
Skin color is not.
And yet, US civil law protects both and prohibits discrimination on the basis of both; things innate and not.
So let’s not rely so much on signpost celebrities’ misstatements of scientific fact or sincere personal statements of feeling. Neither has much to do with how American civil law should address sexual orientation.
I also disagree with Aravosis: right-wing hatemongers won’t find it necessary, or even convenient, to quote Cynthia Nixon to demonize us, our families, our children, our young people, our marriages, our military service, or our choices. She is completely unnecessary to their hatred.
Cynthia Nixon also enjoys an exceptional station, benefits of money-class and microphone.
The kid in the school yard facing a bully who wants to beat a different “choice” into him/her? Not so much.
Many Americans tend to see things in absolutes, black and white. Gay, straight.
I think too much is being made of Cynthia’s comments. Here’s my way of seeing it.
Cynthia chose happiness. And if being with another woman makes her happy, then good for her. That’s what matters.
She’s neither a serious spokesperson for the community nor a serious spokesperson for herself.
Our enemies will use any excuse to degrade us. If she didn’t exist they would invent her.
We still use that word? Then it’s hopeless.
So if an actress is not serious, why do lefties constantly glom onto Hollywood types as saviors? Just askin’.
This argument against Ms. Nixon shows me how difficult the battles are.
Not going to win fans with this kind of personal attack.
From my point of view.
I notice the thread’s headline uses ‘actress’ even though most women call themselves actors or performers, or flight attendants or servers, as it may be. I suppose the author is a personess?
A distinction without a diff. Gender matters, whatever vocabulary you choose.
Reminding of gender neutral mock joke. In an attempt to be gender neutral one wag suggested peep as a singular for people. It is to be regretted that under this scheme manhole becomes peephole.
I disagree. We have to argue for the right to be with whom we want, when we want. And everyone else can screw off. My father was in this boat, too. Why shouldn’t she argue for what she is? I respect your argument(s), but you’re only muzzling her like other people want to muzzle gay people. NOT THEIR F’ING BUSINESS. We have to argue for the right to be what we want, to explore, to LIVE, fer chrissakes.
Another generation and we’ll be beyond a little more of this b.s. When I was in college in the 70s in Ann Arbor, lots of my friends explored both sides of the line. Several friends have moved back and forth between partners of different sexes lifelong. All this stuff just seems so old and cloistered to me sometimes! Don’t let these sorry-ass hangdog prissy (and plug ugly) fools diminish you or anyone!!! Be everything you can be!
I loved the way you handled this Pam. Thank you.
I hate labels and for that reason I can understand and even support Ms. Nixon’s view. Why should she be forced into bisexuality when it isn’t the sex of the person she is choosing but the heart. Bisexuality suggests a sexual motive for being with both men and women. It could just as likely be the lack of a preference, allowing for choices to be made on a platonic level with the sex being whatever it ends up being. I wouldn’t classify that as bisexual, I would classify that as something closer to asexuality. But then again … I hate labels.
I disagree strongly with John that she should silence herself for the good of the community. Give me a break. We are strong enough to handle all opinions on this matter and I applaud her for forcing our eyes open and finally getting us to rethink the biology excuse. We are equal because we are human. Everyone needs to stay the hell out of my bedroom.
We don’t HAVE to parse or mince words with the Newt Chuckie Motherflaky Gingrichs of this world. We don’t HAVE to explain ourselves–we have to tell them to F off! That it’s none of their business! That while they’re DESTROYING women’s lives they have ZERO F’ING ZERO right to tell us who we can canoodle with.
Alright, I am calming down now.
Well, not everyone.
Available: Single male, 45, likes dogs and long walks on the beach. Hit me up!
You hit on something important here, Figaro. When you talk about anyone in terms of their sexual preferences you are ALREADY reducing them. We do not have to justify ourselves, our loves, our impulses to people who love wars, killing, capital punishment and denying women and other people choice.
This is the PC police at it’s most ugly.
Cynthia Nixon is a lesbian. She’s with a woman, she expresses no interest in being with a man again. That means she’s living a lesbian lifestyle, not a bisexual one.
But somehow, in expressing her own experience of her sexuality she “muddies the waters.” The suggestion that she must admit to really being bisexual or she somehow brings down the whole gay movement by describing herself as a person who made a positive life choice to be a lesbian, is insulting. What gives anyone the right to sneer upon her choices and her experiences?
The enemies of the gay community don’t need any excuse for their bashing. The only ammunition they need is that gay people exist at all – they don’t care if it’s a choice or not!
How many actors and actresses stay in the closet? Ms. Nixon had the guts to come out and in doing so serves as a role model to struggling gay teenagers. Let her live her life and make the statement about her coming out experience in a way that stays true to who she honestly is. More than anything, the hate mongers are enjoying the side show of watching the gay community attack one of their own for being the “wrong” kind of lesbian.
Comment of the day and spot on of course. The whole choice vs trait smokescreen is irrelevant. I’ll say this though: when I meet people who claim that sexuality is a choice, I point out that as rotten as society is to LGBT persons, I can’t imagine a rational reason for “deciding” to be gay.
Unlike rules, distinctions are made to be kept.
(my bold)
Okay, you’ve missed the point of this post entirely so let me try to explain it here: The fact that she’s “living a lesbian lifestyle” does not make her a lesbian. Period. The fact that she experiences sexual attraction to members of both sexes, (or presumably variations thereof), makes her by definition, a bisexual.
As for the “muddying the waters” part, that refers to the whole choice vs trait meme and can only be used by the likes of Maggie Gallagher and James Dobson as ammunition against teh gay.
Good golly, get a clue.
The reason they think there’s a choice is because so many of them choose to live in the closet. They marry and make miserable opposite-sex mates and pursue lives, more often than not, dedicated to oppressing their same-sex-loving brethren and (rarely) sistren.
Because they’ve chosen to live in the closet, they think they’ve chosen not to be gay. But it’s not the same thing at all.
I also don’t think she muddied any waters because, in the end, no one who would use the “choice” argument to keep us down cares what she thinks. As a lesbian, whether she chose to be one or not, her views are irrelevant to our oppressors.
Until she chooses to be with a man again. In which case, Cynthia Nixon will be one of their rare, worshiped bird: an ex-gay. Those, the right loves to a fare-thee-well.
Like fourteen year old girls adore unicorns. And as real.
Yeah, I began to go off on the closet too but the comment would have gotten too long. Whether to live in or out of the closet is the only choice being made.
I’m listening.
Let me ask you…
no one who would use the “choice” argument to keep us down cares what she thinks
totally seriously, do you really think her choices have that intention?
Perhaps what Cynthia Nixon isn’t understanding is that what she thinks for her is a matter of choice (men or women) is, itself, not a matter of choice.
Human sexuality is complex. Genetics, epigenetics, etc.
When we were teenagers, in the 70s, we “invented” a trick to describe ourselves in acceptable terms. We just said everyone is bisexual. In those not long-after Kinsey days was a reasonable point of view.
Cynthia Nixon can be gay if she wants to, even if she’s bisexual like we all are. She’s right that the more interesting part of being bisexual is the gay part of it. She cuts to the chase in labeling herself.
At least she just uses the simple word gay rather than the insulting acronym labeling invented by the movement ten or fifteen years ago. There should be a lot less furor over Cynthia Nixon saying she’s gay than all of us being saddled with the stultifying LGBT tag.
I’m on Cynthia Nixon’s side in this. She’s smart and sensible and she’s right when she says it doesn’t matter why you think you’re gay, or say you’re gay, or are gay. We’re all bisexual. I’ve got no problem with more of us claiming the gay part of that. Born that way or choose it; either way’s dandy.
I don’t think anyone can understand sexuality, not on a conscious level, and who cares what science publishes about it? Sexuality must be the only organic quality that encompasses every part of the organism, even to a microscopic degree. Anyway, if it’s true that sexuality cannot be completely or even mostly understood, that would explain why it’s so jealously guarded or so righteously protected and defended almost exclusively by the most fearful persons.
With you.
No, I don’t think Nixon meant her words to aid those who oppress us.
Nor do I think her words did aid those who would oppress us.
My experience of bisexuals, limited, is that they need both. No matter which, monogamous, way they relate, at some point they’ll break it off to go to the other gender. Polyamory seems made for them.
I only use LGBTQQI to refer to our community; I would never apply it to myself or any other person. I’m gay, you’re bisexual. None of us, individually, are LGBTQQI
Askin’ who?
Not me!
I think I hear you.
I’m trying.
You are very patient with people like me. Thank you.
It’s been a long day here post SOTU, has anyone given the POTUS props for his rhetorical coming out: “… gay [pause] or [audible scare quotes] straight … “?
Thanks!
I think you’re misdiagnosing the problem.
The treatment of bisexuality in this piece is laudable. As someone that identified that way for a while, and stopped because I got out of labels like that altogether, I feel a lot of truth in your account of the invisible truth of bisexuality. While that is all good, it is missing the point.
The real problem that I’m seeing here is that the gay movement, represented here by Aravosis, seems to want the national conversation around equality to be less than honest for political reasons, demonstrated in this case by caving automatically to the right wing frame “choice=bad”. See what John does here:
He just gives the game away right up front. He automatically grants legitimacy to the view of “choice=bad” when he doesn’t challenge it. The correct answer to a right winger playing the choice card is to reframe the debate completely.
In reality, sexual orientation exists on a continuum. It needs to be discussed that way, regardless of what the short term political consequences might be. This is the problem: if the truth needs to obfuscated in some way to ensure victory, you’re doing it wrong.
Instead of conceding the frame to the right and creating this black and white faux frame for the general public, the correct answer to any of that ‘it’s a choice’ bullshit is not John’s, or to poo poo what’s her face, but this:
And leave it at that. Done. Don’t give them an inch, and concede not even one little ounce of their belief system.
True up to a point, but the AIDS epidemic and widespread STDs have changed my views on that. I now question the safety of any promiscuous or non-dedicated (sometimes called “non-monogamous”) relationship. Being bisexual (simultaneously) is inherently risky behavior. Just because Nixon ostensibly feels free to explore and express herself sexually, does not mean it’s a good thing for society. It already has been demonstrated that the unintended consequences can be devastating.
The one area where I partially agree with some social conservatives is this: our sexual behavior is not governed entirely by our biological urges, but also by our judgment, and thus morality is part of the equation. Therefore, I can no more condone Cynthia Nixon’s point of view without reservation than I can accept Newt Gingrich’s marital infidelity. But that’s just my opinion, and I don’t think anybody should force their views on anybody else.
Your experience of bisexuals is indeed limited, and by using the word “need” you demonstrate Pam’s point: “There is still much confusion about the idea of a person being able to be emotionally and sexually attracted to men and women.”
Bisexuals are attracted to both men and women, but attraction and need are two very different things.
Nice post, Pam. Very nice indeed.
Great post. Really great. I threw out my television years ago and do not know or give a shit about Cynthia Nixon if she’s real. But this post is real. I’m so sick of being saddled with “over-sexed” and it is so welcoming to find bisexuality legitimized intelligently.
Thank you, Pam.
And then there is the person I know who wished he could be straight because his homosexuality clashed with his Catholicism. He got therapy and that got him to accept who he was. He remains a devout Catholic, but still keeps his sexual orientation a secret where he works because he is not shame-free yet. One other thing: he’s politically conservative, though he switched from being a Republican to being a Libertarian when Bush pushed for war against Iraq. So some identifications you can choose.
I used the word I meant to and in my experience, bisexuals need.
I don’t, and I’m Bi. I’m also very mono-amorous.
I guess to be more accurate, for me, fantasy replaces any need for actual activity with more than one gender.
I’d love to provide you statistics to show what is most common, but the best I can find is http://www.birequest.org/docstore/2011-SF_HRC-Bi_Iinvisibility_Report.pdf – which goes into a lot of detail as to why Bisexual statistics tend to be useless (many studies conflate identify, attraction and/or behavior), and http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr036.pdf, which shows very conflated statistics for bisexual sexual activity (example: 70% of bisexual or homosexual males aged 18-44 have opposite-sex sexual contact; 88% of this same group have same-sex sexual contact).
Tranlation=faggotism is a choice