Southwest Airlines has issues.
And those customer issues, on any given day or flight, appear arbitrary.
For example, little did lead guitarist for the punk rock band Green Day Billie Joe Armstrong know that flying while wearing “saggy pants” can evict you off Southwest Airlines. This past Labor Day weekend, on Sept. 1, Armstrong was booted off a Southwest Airlines for “saggy pants.” When Armstrong, in disbelief, queried, “Don’t you have better things to do than worry about that?” The response from the flight attendant was curt and pointed: “Pull your pants up or you’re getting off the plane.”
Another example: little did film director Kevin Smith know that flying while being oversized could also have you evicted off Southwest. In February 2010 Smith was removed from his Southwest seat because he was deemed too obese to fly safely, albeit he was able to put both armrests down in accordance with airlines policy.
On the morning of Sept. 26 both Leisha Hailey, actress and musician known for her role as Alice Pieszecki in the Showtime Networks production “The L Word,” and, her girlfriend/bandmate Camila Grey of “Uh Huh Her,” boarded Southwest Airlines Flight 2274. Hailey and the band are preparing to launch a 21-city tour to promote breast cancer awareness.
But little did Hailey and Grey know that kissing while flying could cause a kerfuffle with the airlines. Hailey and Grey, both incensed and humiliated, were escorted off the flight.
Hailey immediately tweeted: “We were escorted off the plane for getting upset about the issue. @SouthwestAir endorses homophobic employees. No one made her accountable.”
But Southwest thought their action was justified. Several passengers on Flight 2274 complained that their display of affection with each other was objectionably inappropriate, “characterizing the behavior as excessive.” And Hailey tweeted that a “Flt. attendant said that it was a ’family’ airline and kissing was not ok.”
With all the brouhaha about Hailey’s and Grey’s “excessive” and “inappropriate” smacking, of course, we all now want to know what kind of kiss was it to bring national attention to it. What category of kissing does theirs fall in the science of kissing called philematology?
The Romans created three categories of kissing: 1) “Osculum,” a kiss on the cheek, 2) “Basium,” a kiss on the lips, and 3) “Savolium,” a deep kiss.
“We want to make it clear we were not making out or creating any kind of spectacle of ourselves, it was one modest kiss,” Hailey’s written statement said. “We are responsible adult women who walk through the world with dignity. We were simply being affectionate like any normal couple.”
How could “one modest kiss,” a Category 2, at best, on the Romans’ scale, cause such a kerfuffle?
According to Southwest, their action was non-discriminatory and had everything to do with customer satisfaction.
“Our crew, responsible for the comfort of all Customers on board, approached the passengers based solely on behavior and not gender. The conversation escalated to a level that was better resolved on the ground, as opposed to in flight,” the airline said in a news release posted on its website.
However, I like to know how many heterosexual couples have been or would be thrown off Southwest Airlines for kissing?
Would it even be an issue?
While their peck on the lips should be a non-issue — for passengers and Southwest — the elephant that weighed Flight 2274 down was homophobia.
“No matter how quietly homophobia is whispered, it doesn’t make it any less loud,” Hailey’s statement said. “You can’t whisper hate. We ask this airline to teach their employees to not discriminate against any couple, ever, regardless of their own beliefs.”
Southwest would say that they don’t discriminate. As a matter of fact, Southwest Airlines boasts that it is the official airlines for several of our national lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer (LGBTQ) organizations.
“At Southwest Airlines, we take pride in our outreach and commitment to the GLBT community. We have community partnerships with a variety of local and national organizations who are dedicated to GLBT causes and initiatives. As an example, we are the official airline of the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD), the Gay-Straight Alliance Network (GSA), and the National Gay & Lesbian Chamber of Commerce (NGLCC). We look forward to welcoming you onboard soon,” stated on its website.
However, while you can do LGBTQ sensitivity trainings and alter laws in this country to do the right thing toward a disenfranchised segment of the population, we cannot always alter the hearts and attitudes of its citizens. For some of the passengers as well as Southwest’s fight crew, seeing two people of the same gender kissing is seen as a signed decree by the airlines sanctioning sexual depravity.
And let’s not forget, that even in 2011, the “ick factor,” the revulsion some heterosexuals feel toward the way we LGBTQ people engage in social and sexual intimacy can still exist. Altering the individual hearts and minds of these folks will take a while, if not a lifetime.
But Southwest Airlines serves the public. And they have to do it better.
It is my hope that the next time when two kissing lesbians board one of their flights Southwest will not escort them off because they happen to be flying while gay.




18 Comments


So people can be thrown off of a Southwest flight — in theory, any airline — just because they make other passengers uncomfortable.
What if interracial couples who kiss make me uncomfortable? What if Black people give me the willies? What some guy with a turban tries to board? (He’s almost certainly Sikh rather than Muslim, but you can’t be too cautious nowadays.) Can I summon a flight attendant and demand that these people be removed?
What part of “public accomodation” is Southwest too bigotedly stupid to understand?
We don`t even know if those complaining passengers exist.
Discriminatory organizations like to invent complaints to justify their actions.
I don`t trust Texas-based Southwest Airlines to be honest about this.
Time to complain about Christian couples causing discomfort
Personally, I do trust Southwest to deal with this honestly. I follow them on social media, and they immediately responded to Leisha’s tweets asking her to contact Corporate about it to find out what happened. Their level of engagement with their consumers is significantly higher than others.
This does smack of homophobia, both from the supposedly offended passengers, and the flight attendants. But at the same time, there is information out there that Leisha and her partner were cursing at the flight attendants. That’s also not acceptable. Whether we like it or not, flight attendants have a job to do regarding the safety of the aircraft, and unruly passengers make things more difficult for everyone.
Southwest Air has a problem with very vague policies (see an interesting column on Slate.com regarding this today). Southwest does serve the public, and the must do it better (to echo Irene’s comments in the blog entry). But they must focus their improvement energy into dealing with these individual employees who still, apparently, don’t get it.
Very very poor training of staff at SWA. Yes, how many heterosexual couples have been ejected for sharing a kiss on a flight?
Time to boycott SWA. I have an upcoming flight, and could use SWA, but I will take another less? homophobic airline.
If this were a lesbian couple who were not in the public spotlight I would also follow the pack of outrage but given this is a high profile actress my suspicion is of her and her friend “wanting to push the envelope” to see what would happen and “get some free press” which they certainly have received (and will continute to get) which precludes me from finding fault with Southwest and sympathy for the duo.
I have flown Southwest many times and will continue to do so.
The info so far indicates that the cursing by the customer occurred in response to the flight attendant telling them that their kissing was deemed not family friendly. The attendant did this in response to the complaints of another customer who is apparently a bigot.
So, the attendant took a non-issue, elevated it to an issue and then used the customer’s response to that issue as an excuse to eject the customer.
The attendant should have told the complaining customer to mind their own business and that would have been the end of it. But, when the attendant got a bad (maybe justified) reaction from the couple be accused of non family friendly behavior, the attendant could have easily diffused the situation by explaining to the couple that they were in fact allowed to kiss and that the attendant would handle the situation with the complaining customer.
Even worse, Southwest has yet to admit that there was no reason to accuse the lesbian couple of inappropriate behavior in the first place and it was the confrontational flight attendant that caused the entire episode.
when one is personally demeaned by an employee of an airline, one might REASONABLY respond with curses. If I was told I was going to be ejected from a plane for giving my husband a kiss, because this was a “family friendly airline” (except not friendly to MY family) I too, would respond with a hearty Fuck You or two. From all accounts, the curses did not come before the threats and public humiliation.
So, what your saying is people of some fame, are never discriminated against, and itf they are, then it’s all about publicity and we shouldn’t care? Also, from you changing the status of her girlfriend to her “friend”, I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t care even if it were an average non-famous citizen.
OT – 9th Circuit dismisses Log Cabin’s DADT suit as “moot.” That’d be news for the discharged vets trying to get back their separation pay, which the ODOJ is still fighting in court.
http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2011/09/ninth-circuit-court-dismisses-lcr.html
Might go to the 9th Circuit en banc, FWIW.
Sorry, I disagree that it is reasonable to respond with curses. It’s coarse and immature. A reasonable response would have been to tell the flight attendant that the kiss was none of her or other passengers’ business.
For all we know right now, that may have been how it went down, and escalated into curses. It seems rather likely given that the flight attendant was probably rude, too. Timncguy is right – the flight attendant took a non-issue, made it an issue, and then allowed it to escalate. And that must be based on her own homophobia. It’s also partially because Southwest hasn’t been clear with their employees what they should and should not enforce in terms of behavior. It is the behavior of one employee that’s in question here, and Southwest needs to learn how to fix this kind of stuff.
Boycott.
Yes, let’s boycott every organization that has a few a$$hat employees who can’t keep their prejudices to themselves. Because this flight attendant is homophobic, clearly the entire airline must be homophobic.
No thanks. I’ll keep giving my travel dollars to Southwest, the only airline that has always treated me with respect as a passenger, instead of as a burden. The one with the staff that is happy to help me instead of being surly (as opposed to say, the employees of every other airline I have flown with in the last 10 years). The same airline I have been flying for years into and out of the bible belt and never once encountered any homophobic treatment.
If the company does not discipline the rogue employee, then they are giving their approval to both the flight attendant’s conduct and the harassment from the passengers that allegedly complained. Where does the buck stop?
RP, I think the buck stops where the discipline begins. Don’t assume yet that she won’t be disciplined. A SWA pilot was disciplined for his anti-gay remarks recently. (June-ish timeframe, I believe?) And he also apologized. I don’t know if that will happen in this situation, but we shouldn’t assume the flight attendant just gets away with being an a$$.
Actually, the two situations are interesting contrasts. WRT the pilot, his remarks were offensive and broadcast for the entire plane to hear. He was disciplined. SWA caught a lot of flack for it. I know because I complained myself while making reservations, and the agent told me they were getting a lot of calls, and she even apologized to me – for behavior that wasn’t hers. But there was no ruckus in the cabin. SWA could have ignored it, but they did the right thing.
In this case, Hailey and her partner did let things escalate – it seems they contributed to the escalation. What they should have done was kept kissing, instead of becoming belligerent.
Southwest can change things as it applies to the flight attendant, and I hope they do. I expect they will, actually. But they can’t keep the ignorant from becoming offended. That’s also where the buck stops.
I’m offended every time I get on a plane and get stuck next to the people with nasty feet in flip-flops and hairy, sweaty armpits exposed by their sleeveless shirts. I mean, really, would it kill them to put on a shirt with a collar and some shoes? (Totally tongue-in-cheek, that. Mostly
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Considering how many men are turned on by lesbian scenes in porn, maybe the real issue here was that women kissing would result in sticky underwear for the male passengers?
But I agree with so many of the issues raised by other comments. Maybe Southwest should simply expand their policy to eject bigots from all flights?
It’s perfectly logical to assume that there won’t be any discipline because not only has it not happened but they are actively defending the flight attendent’s behavior. This never would have been an issue had the attendent not had a knee-jerk reaction to a complaint from some bigoted busybody. Instead of trying to rectify the issue, the company is blaming the victim and defending its employees bigotry. And you are joining them in doing so.
You say “In this case, Hailey and her partner did let things escalate”
handling and avoiding the escalation of issues on a plane is specifically the responsibility of the flight attendant. And, in this case it was the flight attendant who caused the escalation. But, you continue to place blame on the victims here.