“I don’t give a [expletive] about who wants to get married to anybody else! Why not?! We’re making a big deal out of things we shouldn’t be making a deal out of … Just give everybody the chance to have the life they want…what I really believe is, let’s spend a little more time leaving everybody alone.”
– Clint Eastwood

So simple a concept – but the numnut Republicans in my legislature fail to understand it because they are bathed in homophobia.
Kate and I celebrated the 7th anniversary of our legal marriage in 2011. Thank you, Vancouver, B.C. We flew back home to NC, where our union is not recognized by my state, and won’t be until the U.S. Supreme Court does away with this institutionalized bigotry.
Now that the Republican-led North Carolina General Assembly has determined that it’s A-OK for voters of the state to decide the civil rights of LGBTs next May, I thought that I’d share some interesting 2010 U.S. Census demographics, courtesy of The Williams Institute.

LGBT taxpayers are more visible than Thom Tillis, Skip Stam, James Forrester, Phil Berger and the rest of the bigoted leaders responsible for getting an amendment on the ballot would like to think. And what if we all decided to move, taking our tax dollars elsewhere?
Shooting yourself in the foot.
A marriage amendment voted into law, as many have said, is an economic disaster waiting to happen, and for the pro-business Republicans, they hopped on the bigot traid to stop and have chosen to placate the deranged fringe homophobic Base. (News & Observer):
A large segment of the business community has been vocal in its opposition to the proposed amendment, giving opponents their strongest leverage in the debate. About 80 business leaders signed a letter urging lawmakers to vote it down, and more than 200 businesses signaled their opposition on Equality North Carolina’s website. A dozen business leaders called a news conference Tuesday, just before the Senate vote, to underscore that they think the idea is bad for business.
Richard Degnan, a vice president at The Body Shop, an international skin-care products company that moved its Americas regions headquarters from San Francisco to North Carolina four years ago, said his corporation had “grave concerns the passage of this bill ultimately would have a long-term detrimental effect on North Carolina’s economy.”
…”People we want to recruit to come to this state to work for us, people who want to relocate their businesses, they think of North Carolina as a shining star in the South, as the most progressive, most interesting place to be,” said Mitchell Gold, an international designer and furniture manufacturer in Taylorsville. “This is a state of progress. But this amendment is a black eye.”
David Mixner underscores the complete corrupt and stealth manner in which the amendment was brought to a vote:
Doing their best to assure they will win, they changed the date of the vote from next year’s general election when all North Carolinians will go to the polls to the May primary when only Republicans will be making their choices for the Presidential race. Talk about an attempt of Soviet style politics. Don’t be surprised if they report that 99% of the state approved the amendment given how they are proceeding with the process.
North Carolina is a place where many people I know want to work or do business since it had been building a tolerant climate over the years. This sets back the state’s reputation by decades – if not centuries. Why not go for separate lunch counters for us while they are at it?




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It’s also happening in New Hampshire as I write. The Tea Party and NOM are actively pursuing to overturn marriage equality in that state and will probably succeed, sadly. They want it replaced with civil unions for straights and gays. Marriage strictly reserved for one man and one woman. Current NH marriages will not be affected after the ban is in effect.
One need not Leave the State of North Carolina, nor Live In the State in order to redirect Gay dollars! Oh no!
Very soon the People of North Carolina will have the choice to determine whether their Legislators’ Actions truly speak for them, and whether or not North Carolina Businesses and Manufacturers really need Gay dollars or not. I say they don’t and they do.
With all due reasoning, can NC Businesses really expect us to support them, if they chose to further opress us? I don’t think so.
Let’s let the NC Chamber of Commerce and Manufacturers hear from us on the topic shall we?:
North Carolina Chamber of Commerce Leaders:
lebert@ncchamber.net, cbutler@ncchamber.net, jsimpson@ncchamber.net, cmills@ncchamber.net, sbarber@ncchamber.net, sharrell@ncchamber.net,
ckerr@ncchamber.net, pvedel@ncchamber.net, wgappens@ncchamber.net, jstewart@ncchamber.net, jgoodman@ncchamber.net, jcashion@ncchamber.net, dmueller@ncchamber.net, ebaldwin@ncchamber.net, mdaughtridge@ncchamber.net, wgappens@ncchamber.net, vcunningham@ncchamber.net
North Carolina Manufacturers:
http://north-carolina.uscity.net/Manufacturers/
Republicans don’t give a damn about how many LGBT families they hurt because LGBTs don’t vote for Republicans (well, 3/4s of them don’t). Republicans do give a damn about people who don’t like LGBT people because they’re a big hunk of the base of the Republican Party.
Put another way, homophobia remains a highly effective Republican GOTV tool.
And, by the way, anybody in North Carolina who doesn’t like what just happened, think about this: Did you do your damnedest in 2010 to help the Democrat in state legislative races? If not, this week is your fault, yours and the fault of every other Democrat who didn’t work harder last year in North Carolina, and Wisconsin, and Michigan, and Ohio, and Pennsylvania, and in every other damned state where the Republicans are destroying the country from the state level up.
We have one more chance next year to save the country from the Republicans. Are we up to it?
A large segment of the business community has been vocal in its opposition to the proposed amendment, giving opponents their strongest leverage in the debate
I’m sorry, but this is meaningless. The legislators know that when it comes right down to it, businesses will choose NC if the price is right. And by price I mean taxes, development giveaways, property prices, wage rates,etc. I am hard-pressed of think of a single corporation that has either relocated from a state or not relocated to a state that has passed an amendment like this. Perhaps I’m mistaken.
“Did you do your damnedest in 2010 to help the Democrat in state legislative races? If not, this week is your fault,”
Your disgustingly crass attack on the victims of this hate measure aside, you’re also absolutely wrong, and probably part of the problem yourself. If The Democrats hadn’t blindly followed Obama off the cliff of disastrous,”bipartisan”, politics and then left places like NC twisting in the wind in 2010, we wouldn’t have lost a Dem majority in the GA that we’ve had for over 100 years. We NC liberal Democrats haven’t changed, we were just abandoned by the Party and Obamacrats who wanted his massively unpopular and decidedly unprogressive health care bill passed at any cost, including massive party losses in the states in 2010.
Yep. North Carolina is an anti-union state, which is why businesses find wages lower. That’s why corporations started moving to NC decades ago (hell, the textile industry, now long gone to Asia and elsewhere, moved to NC to escape New England unionized workers!).
There’s no doubt that many North Carolina corporations (particularly those in the Triangle and around Charlotte) are gay friendly. But, as always and elsewhere, the bottom line is their primary motivator. Some of these corporations may indeed lose a few workers who manage to find jobs in friendlier states but, with lots of highly skilled people looking for jobs, departees are easily replaced.
So, while it might help to make arguments about businesses giving a damn about the environment in which their employees work and live, that’s hardly sufficient reason to try to persuade legislators. What matters is contributions and votes and, were you to check contribution databases, you’ll likely find that bosses of corporations that spoke out in favor of equality also contributed to many of the legislators who voted against equality.
We will get equality in North Carolina and nationwide when we’ve persuaded a large majority of our fellow citizens that they should support us. When that time comes, Republicans will stop working against us. Until then, though, each of us must work every day to convince friends and neighbors and coworkers that we’re not the threat to them that christianists say we are.
Uh, I believe you’ve helped prove my case. Democrats didn’t work to elect Democrats in 2010, not nearly as hard as Republicans worked to elect Republicans. Democrats lost races, Republicans won, and Republicans are doing their dirty deeds in North Carolina and many other states.
Whether we’re talking gays, or union workers, or the unemployed, or parents of kids in shitty schools, we’re all to blame for giving Republicans power in 2010. We can undo some of that in 2012, or we can sit around whining about how Obama et al’ haven’t done everything we dreamed they’d do when we voted in 2008. But we sure as hell can’t do both.
I proved your case how? What exactly did the hard working, loyal party members do to make their party abandon them? It is a hallmark of you apologists to constantly blame the voters when our elected officials don’t do their jobs and represent the people that voted for them. I blame people like you that would rather defend a politician than do the right thing just as much as any teabagging republican. I am not to blame for YOUR shitty choices.
WRONG! Our money talks. Tell these people:
“Ammend the NC Constitution against Gays, and Gays don’t buy North Carolina Products”.
Raleigh Chamber
mail@raleighchamber.org
Charlotte Chamber
http://charlottechamber.com/forms/contact-us/
Natalie English, Senior Vice President of Public Policy, Charlotte Chamber 704.378.1332
nenglish@charlottechamber.com
Greensboro Chamber
342 N Elm St
Greensboro, NC 27401
336-387-8300
Winston-Salem Chamber
http://www.winstonsalem.com/contact.aspx
Asheville Chamber Leaders
kcramer@ashevillechamber.org, KTweed@ashevillechamber.org, RRush@ashevillechamber.org, tcoswell@ashevillechamber.org, rokelley@ashevillechamber.org, TWiggins@ashevillechamber.org, bteague@ashevillechamber.org, CDuncan@ashevillechamber.org, tlampkin@ashevillechamber.org, plewis@ashevillechamber.org, LJohnson@ashevillechamber.org, HReiber@ashevillechamber.org, JKryzenske@ashevillechamber.org, JAnderson@ashevillechamber.org, ppratt@ashevillechamber.org, vsalomo@ashevillechamber.org, MMetcalf@ashevillechamber.org, mjamison@ashevillechamber.org, mjamison@ashevillechamber.org, LCopeland@ashevillechamber.org, JJoyce@ashevillechamber.org
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It’s time for all you fine upstanding tax payers of NC who are GLBT or friends and family members… To do what the Jew of Europe did..
Pack up, Sell out, and move to a a friendlier state.
We already know that the Repugs have stacked the deck and it’s gonna take a miracle to get this thing killed at the polls.
KinVA has hit the nail right on the head.
From the day Obama won the presidency, the republicans have been doing everything they can to get him defeated in 2012. It’s Job #1 for Mitch McConnell, and many others who haven’t said so in as many words.
The problem is, many LGBT progressives perhaps unwittingly joined in this effort. Since Obama took office, we have been railing against how he wasn’t implementing all the changes he promised fast enough (repealing DADT, eliminating DOMA, passing ENDA, etc.). Not just in NC but in many places, enough LGBT democratic voters (and pundits) felt disenfranchised by Obama and the democratic party that we didn’t really get into the race as much as we should have in 2010.
Here’s the other problem: We can produce demographic charts and figures on the impacts to business until we’re blue in the face, but it won’t make a damn bit of difference. That’s because most voters are “low information” voters – they will never see this stuff, and if they did, they wouldn’t understand it or spend 15 seconds thinking about it. The majority of voters don’t vote based on facts, they vote based on emotion. The republicans know this and use it to their advantage. Karl Rove is an evil but brilliant mastermind. They’ll bring out all the conservative mega-church preachers and NOM will come in with their lie-filled mailings and commercials, and they’ll win. The facts have nothing to do with it.
The fact that they scheduled the vote next May was sheer brilliance on their part.
We talk about moving elsewhere or spending our money elsewhere, but almost 40 states have anti-marriage equality amendments now. That sort of limits your choices.
So fight the good fight! It will build community and alliances that will be useful later on. This amendment will probably pass. After you get over the hurt and betrayal and disappointment, your life will go on. After all, marriages aren’t recognized in NC today.
I went though all the same suffering in Arizona in 2008, which was especially deflating since we won in 2006.
In the end, the California case will finally make it to the Supreme Court in a few years, Boise/Olson will win it for us, and all these state marriage amendments will finally be wiped away. The truth will ultimately prevail, it just takes way longer than any of us would like.
Just saw a link to this on the Equality NC Twitter feed.
A Message From Your Friends at Equality NC: THREE THINGS TO KNOW AND SHARE ABOUT THE AMENDMENT.
http://www.facebook.com/notes/equality-nc/a-message-from-your-friends-at-equality-nc-three-things-to-know-and-share-about-/10150818998885157
So let me get this straight. Because Obama and the Democrats abandoned their promises to LGBT voters, it is OUR fault that he failed to energize us to vote? Grade A bullshit. 2010 was a landslide for Republicans because Obama let the teabaggers set the narrative instead of fighting back against them. He wanted his healthcare plan passed and the consequences be damned. That included the loss of several democratic congressman who supported that plan, and whose losses also swept in a republican majority in the state house. This wasn’t about depressed Democratic turnout, but rather a tidal wave of tea party turnout that the party did little to fight against (they got their healthcare bill and then told us voters out here in the styx to fend for ourselves). Now you want to blame us for their horrible strategies and priorities? Well, I think you’re full of shit. And as far as the date of the vote in May, that was a compromise for turncoat DEMOCRATS who would not vote for it unless they could assure that their asses would be covered in the general election, not “brilliance” on the part of the neandrathal GOP that now govern in this state. A situation which YOU share responsibility for as much as anyone else.
Do you think its about time for another one of those columns by gay Repubs complaining that it’s terrible that gay rights organizations always favor Democrats ?
Haven’t had one of those jokes for about 2 weeks now.
After you get over the hurt and betrayal and disappointment, your life will go on. After all, marriages aren’t recognized in NC today.
I’ll take issue with that statement – marriages aren’t recognized now, but Repubs are trying to remove private same-sex spousal equivalent benefits where they exist in private orgs and corporations, and roll back municipalities that have DPs.
That’s why it won’t be business as usual if this bigotry makes it into the state constitution.
Thanks for pointing that out. This will prevent benefits from being given in the eight local NC governments that currently give some benefits.
The Republicans have been pushing misleading spin, that may have made into some news reports. Thanks for clearing that up.
states have no business marrying anybody. marriage is a religious ceremony, not a legal one. marriage should not confer any benefits beyond recognition by the church performing the rite, certainly not secular tax benefits. states must be required to allow people to choose who their partners are, who their legal beneficiaries are, who their heirs are, who can visit in the hospital. simple contracts can provide this without the mumbojumbo about the ‘sanctity of marriage’. fuck those hucksters.
wanna get married? find a church to do that. wanna set up a will? that is where the state should be involved.
don’t fall for that bullshit the xians are handing you. marriage is an empty gesture (see pat robertson’s remarks posted today if you doubt what i say).
Maybe, just maybe, their open and hostile bigotry will cause blowback and they will pay a price. Any chance of that?
You’re cracking me up. Ain’t it the troof?
Part of communication is knowing your audience.
I’m so glad that Pam’s Peoples are part of this site.
How any Gay, Person of Color or any Woman can be a Republican is beyond my understanding.
Arizona Dave wrote:
From the day Obama won the presidency, the republicans have been doing everything they can to get him defeated in 2012. It’s Job #1 for Mitch McConnell, and many others who haven’t said so in as many words.
According to Box Turtle Bulletin, the date of the amendment vote was moved from next November to May to attract the last few Democrat votes to pass the amendment in the General Assembly. The Dems didn’t want the amendment to draw out Fundies and ruin Obama’s chances.
If I have this right, that means the NC GOP hates gays so much they were willing to increase the chances of Obama taking the state next year. Pissing on gays is more important than getting rid of Obama. The mind staggers.
Minor editing point: the title is ascribing “look at how many LGBT families will be hurt by your bigotry” to “Pro-amendment NC legislators,” as if it is something they’re saying, rather than something you’re saying to them.
Businesses and Chambers of Commerce don’t vote…
…and frankly, no matter how gay-friendly and supportive a business claims to be, behind closed doors they’re probably breathing a sigh of relief that they won’t have to extend spousal benefits to 27,250 additional couples
ifwhen this passes.Hate to say it, but states that discriminate against us and exclude our relationships from being legally recognized are probably more attractive to businesses.
And considering most everything is made in China these days anyway, it’s pretty much an empty threat to say we won’t buy NC products anymore… besides pickles and cigarettes, what else is there?
Welcome to the coffee house…now it’s time for you to join reality.
The marriage we are talking about here is a STATE CONTRACT between a couple and the state government.
It is very legal, thank you very much.