NOTE FROM PAM: I was offline most of the weekend save the coverage of Dan Choi in Moscow (and even that I bailed on because of my ongoing battle with whatever the F is going on with my kidney), but I did hear from several readers via email about this post. After reading it, I have to agree that highlighting this video definitely goes down a road I wouldn’t have traveled. The reason – it touches upon things we’ve opposed on the blog — classism, sexism, racism, and fatphobia, to name a few.
That said, I’m not for taking it down – sometimes one needs to be reminded of negative attitudes that don’t lie far from the surface; erasing examples only serves to deny the existence; they need to be owned and examined out in the open. That’s my two cents; Autumn is aware of the overwhelming negative response to the post and can certainly speak for herself on the matter.
Note from Autumn: Hey all,
I was offline during the weekend, and didn’t see the negative commentary until after noon today.
I didn’t have evil intent here, and I wasn’t aiming to mock anyone in the video by posting the video. I was attempting to point out that the people in the video would be unsettling to the narrow-minded folk on the religious right. Since equality legislation for LGBT people is argued against by the religious right because we deviate from their idea of the moral norm — and are scary in the public spaces, such as restrooms — my thought was that shopping at Walmart by the “family values” crowd should probably be as scary for the kids as seeing a trans woman. And I would argue that these diverse folk aren’t scary at all, but are wonderful people that should be celebrated in their free expression.
And frankly, I loved viewing the People of Walmart video because I love seeing the diversity of the people in the video. It never dawned on me that people would find what I saw as a wonderful, eclectic bunch of diverse people in an attack on these folk. And too, I didn’t assume any attempt to demean the subjects of the video by the song and video creator. I thought she also found the People of Walmart interesting and worthy of celebration too.
Apparently, that’s not what other people here saw in the video.
Maybe my take on the video as a celebration of interesting and diverse peoples was pretty naive of me, but that’s really how I saw the video — a collection of fun and wonderful, perhaps a bit quirky people. I instantly connected dots between the “scary” Walmart shoppers and “scary” trans women, and making commentary that none of these folk really all that scary at all.
Apparently, I didn’t make that point clearly. Apparently, people here didn’t like the video because they saw mocking intent by the song’s and video’s creator — I didn’t see the classism, sexism, racism, and fatphobia that others here are seeing in the video other that those evils were there as tools to point to the opposite — diversity should be celebrated, not mocked or presumed to be scary. I’m genuinely sorry I offended people here by posting that video — I’ll not be posting up a video of that sort again.
Okay, it’s Saturday — time for some weekend fun!
People Of Walmart Song – Watch more Funny VideosThis is an ode to the People Of Walmart by Jessica Frech. It catalogs every known species of Walmart shopper. It’s an anthropological marvel.
After watching this video, I can’t help thinking how funny it is that the religious right’s Homophobia Industrial Complex is ever concerned about the possibility of trans kindergartener teachers — Y’know, because trans women so gosh darn scary!
Perhaps these Homophobia Industrial Complex folk should save their sanctimonious confabulations for those gosh darn free-expression infused, real world shoppers that their kids may see when shopping at their local Walmarts! 




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I can say with a fair degree of smugnessthat I’ve never set foot in a Walmart. That’s mostly because all of the Walmarts around here are in the suburbs and exurbs, and I’m strictly an urban kind of guy. But after watching this video, I know I’ll be making the effort to get to one. The place is a veritable Garden of Earthly Delights!
“Jungle bunny ride?”Ha ha. Jungle bunny. What would the GLAAD style sheet say about that, do you suppose?
While I get the point you’re trying to makeI really can’t get behind the idea of taking pictures of people and putting them on the internet for the sole purpose of laughing at them. I mean, ignoring the classism issue for a second, how would you feel if your image was featured on some website called “IT’S A TRAP!” designed to vote on whether someone was actually a woman, or merely a “man in women’s clothing”, so to speak?
How do you know which of those people are not trans people?
oh, come onThis is mean and classist and I expect better from this blog. Pointing and laughing at the way people look? And you think it’s ok because other people do it to us? Oh, haha, look at the funny poor fat odd people.
If a curmudgeonly anti-social pagan like me needs to remind you of the golden rule, you REALLY need to check yourself.
About as classless and cruel as you can get…and this from someone who wants to bitch and moan about being discriminated against for immutable characteristics. GET RID OF THIS POST!
Is this one of the People of WalMart?
or this?
In some perverse way, were you trying to get someone to make this connection? Well, I made it. Ha, ha!! Fat people!!111!! Ha, ha.
[photos are on Sandeen's website and (presumably) posted by Sandeen]
Awesome!As a proud purveyor of the Wal-Mart aisles I can say with accuracy that it happens ALL the time. Interesting people indeed. However, did you know that Wally world hires an absurd amount of gays and lesbians? Alot of them work night shift too. The world would end if there were no Wal-Mart. At least for all us poor white trash who can’t afford to shop anywhere else.
Shame on You – Delete This PostIt’s time for some weekend fun – let’s make fun of poor fat people!
You should be ashamed for posting this classist, racist garbage.
I didn’t want to go there myself, but…Stones, glass houses, etc.
The people of WalmartHave you ever shopped there?
Have you ever HAD to shop there?
Has the one, two, or three Dollars you might save on a brand name item (not a “house brand” – but some national brand name) made a huge difference to you?
Have you ever attempted to find some “ethnic” food item not usually available in more “upscale” stores – but readily available at Walmart?
Have you EVER been poor?
How do you justify shopping at Target? They have a better reputation – but, I think a lot of their items are CRAP – just try some of their “Archer Farms” stuff – it’s really hit or miss.
Laughing at the “People of Walmart” is so classist. It demeans a lot of folks who are really struggling to get by.
Poverty, ignorance, self defeating behavior, are all issues we, as a nation, and as LGBT folks MUST address.
Please remember, many LGBT folks are denied a proper education, are discriminated against in employment (and everywhere else). Quite often opponents of LGBT rights post photos of what they see as “improper”, “outlandish”, and/or “disgusting” behavior by LGBT folks to make their “case”.
How does that differ from “The People of Walmart”?
How is it different from the “selection” of photos some anti-rights folks put up?
This level of classism is so smug. Really makes it difficult to form any sort of HUMAN rights organizations.
You do not have to LIKE everyone – but it might just make sense to respect them as HUMAN BEINGS.
Don’t you think folks know when they are being patronized? When you dehumanize them? When you just dismiss them?
In effect this is an ad hominem attack on an entire class.
Oh yeah, do you think that perhaps some of these folks really are mentally ill? Does that make laughing at them “better”?
I come here to get away from things like thisYou know, the rest of the internet is full of classist, sexist, racist, lookist, and otherwise judgmental and xenophobic crap. I’m used to that.
But you guys have always been one of my safe blogs. One of the places I know I’m not going to spend all my time explaining why that’s wrong, where I can just read stuff without having to log in to fight the good fight. And here I am: Logging in to tell you that this just really isn’t cool at all.
tackyI can’t stand Walmart and refuse to shop there, but really, this video is childish and snotty… Oh look! Fat people and people with no self-awareness and the mentally ill! Let’s make fun of them!
You better watch it…or your words challenging Autumn’s place in the universe will end up in the Pam’s House Blend left-hand column of shame right along with James Edwards, Cathy Platine, Sharon Gaughan, Porno Pete and Frank Gaffney.
Disappointed.I’m among those very disappointed at this classist and looksist post.
People are peopleThose who know me as the oversensitive Michi can rest assured that I got a kick out of this video.
If I ever go to an anime convention or a Japan festival and I am dressed in sweet or gothic lolita, I will need to remind myself to go into a Walmart and hope someone has their cellphone camera handy.
To be featured on “People of Walmart” in that way would be a right of passage.
This video shows that we live in America and we have the right to be who we want to be, dress how we want to dress and look how we want to look. This has nothing to do with gender identity or gender expression.. it just has to do with overall expression and the freedom of expression we enjoy here.
Are you a jungle bunny?
lolwut?peopleofwalmart dot com is not about “celebrating our differences”. It’s about making fun of people because they look different.
Oh my GodSO not funny in the least.
Didn’t look at the vid…Do I look weird to someone because I’m lesbian?
Do not like this appearance thing…just reminds me of the endless predictable times posters demean anti gay Maggie Gallagher by making remarks about her appearance. Really? Can they not find anything about what she SAYS and DOES against GLBT citizens to comment on?
Karen, yepAs much as I hate the woman for what she does, I CRINGE when the overweight comments go flying. It’s ALWAYS against women too.
please apologizeThis is a form of cyber bullying and sadly serves to encourage the institutionalizing of hating and blaming that I have always thought the Blend stood firmly against. Its not funny. Isn’t there enough injustice and misery in our world already? I’m so disappointed that you would unthinkingly add to that negative abundance by posting something so offensive and insensitive.
Like it or not, and its ridiculously easy to find plenty not to like, Walmart is America’s commissary for working poor people. My doctor brother in TX calls it America’s universal healthcare insurance because of the cheap prescriptions. Poverty is grinding and rough. I know, I came from poor, worked like heck to get out, and thank Goddess every day and night that our efforts and our good luck have kept us out. So far.
Attack Walmart’s policies and practices all you want. Have at it. I’ll join you. But, one thing I will not stand is classist attacks by progressives on people who shop at Walmart. I am so over and out of patience with it. And yes, keep it real, I shop at Walmart. I don’t have to any more, I could drive 10 miles further to go to Target, but I do it partly because of attitudes like this. I’m a fat late middle aged grandma dyke who dresses for comfort. I could be one of those people you find so funny. Is this really a reflection your values and principles? I want us to be allies but this is not helpful at all.
And I’m done with the Blend.I would be uncomfortable if my pictures of myself were posted just for laughs for others. I also shop at Wal-Mart and I really don't see the shame about either but whatever….
Beyond loathsome.That site, from which all the still photos in the video were taken, is beyond loathsome, especially when you include the captions. Hundreds of photos making fun of people because they’re fat, or gender variant, or obviously mentally ill, or old. Ha, ha.
I wonder…What would be the official Pam’s House Blend reaction be to a Psychology Today article entitled “Why Are Wal-Mart Customers Rated Less Physically Attractive Than Other Women?”?
Satoshi Kanazawa, an evolutionary psychologist….
Autumn Sandeen, a transgressive barista….
Forget PT.
Perhaps certain Insiders Out Industrial Blogplex folk should save their sanctimonious confabulations about blanket statements about groups of people for those who give a damn about what this blog has become.
Making fun of transgender folks, Autumn?I couldn’t help but notice some of the people being made fun of in that video and on the People of Walmart website are what many here would include under the transgender umbrella. So, by supporting that video, I can only assume that you now support making fun of transgenders. Nice.
I haven’t been able to consider the Blend a “safe space”……pretty much ever.
Shame on the Blend for posting this manure!I watched about 10 seconds of the video before I shut it off.
Shame on you for a post that glorifies cruel, disrespectful behavior!
I’m going to have to seriously consider unsubscribing to the Blend – no way do I want to be known as a supporter of this kind of posting.
What the…?I generally like this blog, but I have to agree that this is mean-spirited and definitely not what I thought this site was all about.
My wife and I will not set foot in a Wal-Mart or Sam’s under any circumstances, but it’s because of their corporate policies, not because we might be exposed to fat and/or poorly-dressed people (I’m not exactly svelte or a fashion plate myself). But we are lucky. While we’re not rich by any means, the money we would save by shopping there wouldn’t really affect our lifestyle much at all (although there was a time it would have).
And while I encourage people to avoid Wal-Mart and Sam’s, certainly we know people for whom the money they save makes a genuine difference in how well they can provide for their families (of course, by driving down wages and working conditions, shopping there endangers their kids’ futures, but that’s a whole other argument, and one that’s hard to appreciate when you literally have barely enough money to pay the mortgage and put food on the table, so that saving a few bucks on toilet paper actually matters to you).
Why no response?Autumn and Pam, are you out there?
Maybe they are busy with the holiday weekend and are not reading the blog. I hope they check in soon because this kind of thing can really hurt the reputation of this blog.
It’s hard for me to believe that Pam would approve of this nonsense being a “woman of size” herself and I know she would not appreciate the “jungle bunny” reference, even if it is directed at a white person. I can only assume she hasn’t watched the video or read these comments yet.
What’s more, the use of video taken without permission in order to humiliate and degrade someone is certainly a form of cyber bullying and may be a violation of law. There is a comment on break.com from someone who said they know someone in the video and they were going to inform them about it. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were lawsuits. They may be able to invoke the parity defense and say that there is no reasonable expectation of privacy in Walmart but it is certainly immoral if not illegal. Even if all these people were willing participants (which I strongly doubt) that would still not undue the harm this video will do to others. This is the kind of thing that makes people think that liberals are “elitist” and gets poor and working class white people in particular to vote against their own interests. That it got reposted on this blog can be used against the LGBT movement. What gets posted here matters. What happens here does not necessarily stay here.
I would also think that if Autumn has read these comments, she herself would see the error of her ways. This goes against everything that she stands for. She probably didn’t think this through. But now that she has had time to do that she needs to come back and apologize. And I don’t mean one of those “I’m sorry if anyone was offended” apologies either.
Every minute this goes unanswered does damage to this blog’s (and especially Autumn’s) standing in the community. Some people may already have left because of this. It’s time for someone to come and put out this fire before it burns the “House” down.
“Autumn and Pam, are you out there?”And what about Laurel/Lurleen?
Since the posting of this piece by Autumn, Laurel/Lurleen has had time to post a piece about marriage. Ditto for Pam.
Are you sure it even has one left?
Leaving this blogwhich I read every day is definitely something I’m considering, so waiting to see if there’s an appropriate response…
Not to jump on any bandwagons here…But I’m not happy with the post or the implicit assumption that everyone in the video or who shops at Walmart is anti-equality, or that this is something light and funny for the weekend. I’m overweight, queer, and a woman of color who hangs out at other blogs too, and while I don’t expect the safespace rules of Shakesville or Racialicious to carry over here, I know both sites and the main editors/contributors are usually quite supportive of The Blend but wouldn’t be cool with this post were it linked to an “other blog” post.
I’m not going to ask that it’s taken down – not my blog, not my call. But I’m just adding my voice as another reader who’s not getting this post and who isn’t comfortable going “hey, lookit them!” There but for the grace and so on.
Just curious…Just wondering if any of the folks complaining above have bothered to complain to youtube, or to the songwriter, or are they just using this to grind their axe a little further with Autumn?
Umm….It’s completely reasonable to call Autumn out for posting and endorsing this video. I’ve had a huge problem with People of WalMart since I was introduced to it a year and a half or so ago, and I can’t believe that it’s being endorsed on this site. Autumn is absolutely accountable for her actions in doing this.
Have you seen the comments at YouTube?I have often posted over there, despite my knowledge that it is self-patrolled and Troll City.
SO honestly, I’ve given up on most comments there. I do, however, expect more from blogs that are dedicated to social justice. YouTube doesn’t qualify. PHB does.
ETA: The only thing that gets a video taken off YouTubeIs porn or a copyrighted song/imagery/film that a corporate company complains about.
Just curious…What’s your take on the video?
“People of Walmart”How would I complain to youtube about this when I didn’t know it existed until I saw it here, on this “Online Magazine in the Reality Based Community”.
I visit here daily – even if I do not agree with everything said. Usually I think folks have a right to their opinion.
This, however is different.
Note, I did not get involved in the vicious, uncalled for, attack against Ashley Love, nor any of the other anti-transsexual posts put up on this blog. I did make my opinions known elsewhere.
Why not here – well, Autumn has banned me in the past for daring to disagree – so, I tend to stay away from anything controversial (or thought to be by “the powers that be” on this blog).
This was, however, beyond classist, hateful, and patronizing – it shows why WE will never be able to form an alliance with other victims of our current corporate run government, even though we have many causes in common.
Folks really do not trust you when they know you are sneering, and laughing at them.
True social justice is impossible when all you care about is YOURSELF – with no concern for others, or what you do to them.
…Really?I’ll be the first to admit that I’m not a huge fan of everything Autumn does, but to suggest that people are taking issue with this video being posted here because of some sort of personal grudge with Autumn is really beyond the pale.
This video (and the website peopleofwalmart.com) is an affront to the ideals of social justice activism, which is what this blog is SUPPOSED to be about. We can’t control what Youtube allows, but we really shouldn’t allow this sort of garbage here, let alone promote it on the main page.
Here’s what I thinkI have been holding off on commenting to give Autumn time to respond herself, but I think that she is offline because of the Memorial Day holiday. I have no doubt that she will respond when she’s back online. I am chiming in now because I don’t want meaning to be read into my silence.
Here’s what I think:
1. I think Autumn was trying to make the case that American society in general displays a fair amount of diversity in personal expression, so it is ridiculous for the radical-right to zero in the tiny minority that is trans people, most of whom are actually working hard to blend in. Plenty of non-trans people dress or otherwise present themselves in very un-Mrs. Cleaver ways.
2. I think Autumn must have misjudged the video, which in my opinion was created to laugh at others. Here is where I give Autumn the benefit of the doubt for either not watching/listening to it carefully enough, or having a blind spot because it does show that plenty of non-T people dress/present unconventionally.
These are all guesses – Autumn can speak for herself when back online. In the mean time, I will give her the benefit of the doubt because she’s earned it by dedicating herself to fighting for people to have the right to be themselves. Let’s wait to see what she has to say when she gets back, and go from there.
I agreeAnd I said as much myself. But this does show the need for people to think before they post here.
I do think that your point #1 does speak to the tension that exists between those (including LGB people) who want to show how “normal” they are and those (including T people) who want to celebrate the ways we are different from the norm. Indeed, as noted by someone else above, some of the people in the video could possibly fall under the transgender umbrella.
I agree that Autumn probably didn’t watch and listen to the video carefully enough. But I had an immediate reaction to the still photo alone. That and the name of the song told me all I needed to know. I’m sure every overweight person had the same reaction. We know when we are being made fun of. Having that picture on the front page of Pam’s House Blend used in that way is highly disturbing. The fact that Autumn didn’t see how this could be offensive does indeed speak to a “blind spot” that needs to be addressed.
Shot listI’m going to give Autumn the benefit of the doubt on this.
I just went through the video and compiled a shot tally. I count about 2 dozen pictures of things to celebrate, like people with consciously individualistic sartorial choices (eg. the woman in the pink ensemble, people in period costumes, hot dog hat, rainbow tie-dye and other colourful outfits) or interesting things like the woman leading a goat through the store.
Even the mustachio men wearing skirts are great because sometimes a “man in a skirt” actually is a man in a skirt and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Power to them for challenging assumptions about what is gender appropriate clothing. Women have being doing that for several decades now.
Another dozen are people with interesting or very long hairstyles. The best one is the guy with punk rock spiked hair with little Santa hats on each of the spikes.
Unfortunately about 75 pictures or 2/3 of the total shots are people who are targeted only because of their body size/shape and/or state of semi-undress.
Perhaps Autumn didn’t vet the video close enough and was in a rush to get something up before leaving for the long weekend. I think this post could have been much better if, instead of using this video, one had gone to the People of Walmart website and compiled a slide show of the “good” pictures from there.
“good” pictures?The entire website is built on images of people as abject, shot and published without their consent. There is no good to be found. It is the same as MassResistance’s photospreads, that take unflattering images of trans people and deliberately employ incorrect pronouns for the purpose of associating transness with abjection.
Can you point to anything in Sandeen’s postthat indicates to you that she intended ANY of these images to be of “things to celebrate?” On the contrary, she specifically places these people in juxtaposition to the demonization of trans women by the religious right. She all but says, you claim WE’RE scary? Look at these freaks. You know I’m right. I suspect everyone posting here knows this.
As for the “didn’t vet the video close enough” defense from you and Laurel, well, duh. How ironic is it that there are several people being mocked in the video who clearly belong under the transgender umbrella? Oops.
Yeah……I can’t see Sandeen’s comments as anything but “See how irrational the bigots are? They harass trans people when they obviously should be harassing these freaks instead! And since it’s the weekend and I’m bored, let’s have everyone here at PHB mock them for shits and giggles!”
Re-reading Autumn’s postI take your point about her not saying anything about celebrating people.
I guess I just can’t understand why she would be consciously promoting body ridicule since she in a glass house on that issue given the photos of herself on her own website from a few years ago.
We’ll have to wait until Autumn gets back from her weekend to find out what exactly was going through her head when she posted it.
I think the video is disgusting, as is the song that accompanies it. I am extremely disappointed to see it being posted on the Blend, particularly on the front page.
I also think the PoWM website is built on and is profiting from cruelty, and I hope that people who are pictured there and in the book they are selling sue them out of business for making commercial use of their images without their consent.
However I see nothing at all disgusting about the people in the video. After having watched the video the first time, I went through it again with the sound off and paused it on the photos. I saw some people who were creative and different in their fashions and seem quite comfortable with themselves.
I also wanted to take a closer look at all the photos, not to gawk but to stop and see the real person in each one and not just a stream of oppressed bodies.
Not a defense, but also not a condemnationI’m suspending judgment until we hear from Autumn. Read what I wrote:
I’d like to give her the benefit of the doubtBut I’m skeptical that anyone could see a picture of someone with half their ass hanging out of their pants and think “Oh, this must be a video that celebrates our differences!”
From where I sit …this posting is nothing more nor less than a form of bullying.
Congrats AS and all who take delight in laughing at these folks but who would also be yelling and throwing 50,000 fits against the wind if the video was making fun of LGBTs.
no benefit of the doubt possibleI am often accused of self-loathing but have noticed over the years those throwing the accusations are actually the ones doing whatever they are complaining about.
Not that long ago Autumn was one of those morbidly obese people before the infamous stomach stapling.
Now a video aimed at mocking such people…..do the math, ‘taint pretty.
Autumn’s other actions on the front page here make it impossible for me to cut any slack here. Four part trashing of Ashley love, putting myself and Sharon in the left side column associating us with religious bigots, trashing of women of history over and over, long standing one sided enforcement of the TOS………again, do the math.
The survey done this spring had a lot of comments to the effect that dumping Autumn would do more to improve this blog than all other actions combined. Instead Pam pretty much turned it over to Autumn as evidenced by the copyright notice on the right.
People will always stop to watch a train wreck……but at what value? This train is derailed.
My take?
My take?I actually liked the song, but then I grew up on Allan Sherman and Tom Lehrer and I like Weird Al and Venetian Princess. (And I certainly didn’t take offense at her parody of “Womanizer”, even though I’m as geeky and nerdy as they come.) I still have my Mad Magazines from the sixties.
I also know what it’s like to be teased and made fun of, having had plenty of that growing up. I learned to crack jokes about myself before the bullies could and to get people to laugh with me, rather than at me. I took control of the situation.
My issue with all this is how certain people (sometimes under multiple names) seem to go after anything Autumn posts. I don’t see many posts here complaining about unflattering photos of the anti-lgbt crowd or of people they disagree with.
Everyone has a right to be offended. That doesn’t give them the right to ban everything that might offend them.
And I still think the song itself is pretty funny. (But then I’ve walked through a packed shopping mall in full medieval regalia on my way to an SCA event. Beat that, people of walmart!)
I know that for me,whenever I want to call the most attention to myself I simply dress in the most inappropriate way possible. Then I can be assured that instead of blending in with the crowd, I will stand out like the spectacle I desire myself to be. And if there are certain parts of my body I am especially proud of, I can not only wear a minimum of clothing, I can accentuate them by squeezing them into odd shapes and make them protrude so they aren’t missed.
I find that bright colors not found in nature, and mixing patterns and textures will afford me the most visibility. But especially, I get the most pleasure out of wearing low cut pants, so that even if I don’t bend over everyone will get a clear view of my glorious crack, and whether I wear a thong (or no underwear at all!) my “assets” are on display for all to enjoy.
Happy days!
Oh ffs
There’s really no proof in this video that ANY of these people are anti-LGBT. And that’s not the reason why they are in this video, anyway… it’s because they look different. So you’re pretty much grasping at straws here.
Grasping at strawsRead the post again. At NO point did I ever claim that ANYONE in the video was anti-anything. I have seen, on this site and others, photos of the anti-lgbt crowd that are obviously designed to show them in an unfavorable (and often well deserved, given their level of vitriol and hatred) light. Haven’t seen anyone complain about that, and I’m not complaining either. Just pointing out the double standard.
It’s not a double standard at allThose people have actually done something negative towards LGBT people. These people, as far as we know, have done NOTHING towards LGBT people.
Not reallyYou will see plenty of complaints here when people make fun of people for their weight or their looks. I hate it when people attack Rush Limbaugh because of his weight.
The same arguments you use (“Everyone has a right to be offended. That doesn’t give them the right to ban everything that might offend them”) are used against the LGBT movement whenever we complain about homophobia or transphobia on TV or in the movies. The only thing missing was complaints about “political correctness.” I remember a time when it was acceptable in hip circles (like on Saturday Night Live) to make fun of gay people. We’ve struggled long and hard to change that.
You may have been able to get people to laugh with you (or so you thought) but others subject to the same treatment or worse will kill themselves or engage in other self-destructive behavior. The point is that no one should be bullied in the first place. And when they are (and this video is a form of bullying) they have every right to demand that it stop. If you don’t agree with that than you are in the wrong place.
And the way anti-LGBT people are mocked hereis not by judging them on their weight, race, or anything else like that: only a photo with a silly-looking expression. I’m sure if one of the Baristas called Maggie Gallagher a “fat cow” or something along those lines, the commenters here would call that person out as well.
Wrong placeWho are you to decide whether I’m in the wrong place or not? You’re right, no one should be bullied in the first place, yet you basically just told me I don’t fit and don’t belong here, unless I agree with you. Pot, meet kettle.
Not about Autumn…This is not about Autumn. This is about People of WalMart, and Autumn promoting People of WalMart. If you can’t see why People of WalMart is problematic, here are some posts that might be helpful:
http://www.womanist-musings.co…
http://stuffwhitepeopledo.blog…
These links are over a year old, this is not the first time that People of WalMart has been rightly and strongly criticized. I can’t believe you can overlook how horribly mean this website is.
Sorry, y’all can hate me for thisBut while from a PC standpoint, People of WalMart is mean, mean is sometimes hysterically funny. If any of you folks dissing this can honestly say if you are out and see someone bulging out of a bathing top or 6 size too small tank top, you don’t at the very least think “What are they thinking?”and probably discreetly point them out to any companion? If you don’t, you are a better person than I. I was raised during the age of parodies- Alan Sherman, Tom Leher, etc. I also always figured if I go out braless in torn sweats with my hair sticking straight up, I’m going to have people thinking or saying mean things. Posting a video of a classic fail of some stranger trying to skateboard is mean too. I’ve headed to the store in wild clothing PRECISELY to attract attention. The pictures where folks are pitiful rather than attention seeking probably should be gone, but hey, if we lived in a perfect world we’d have nothing to complain about.
I’m pretty poor. I also know that Goodwill will usually yield me a pair of pants that fit. I also avoid WalMart like a plague…Unless you find a reduced item, you can do your shopping a lot cheaper elsewhere. Exceptions are electronics. Uh… if I’m too poor to shop at another store, I’m not buying printer ink. The perception of WalMart as “cheap” is what they thrive on. Eggs, Milk, butter are cheap. Everything else isn’t. I also see these same folks in other stores, just there are more in WalMart at any given moment. But Autumn has a real point…it may be “mean” to hold these folks up as more scary than your average transperson, however, it is pretty accurate. Nor does she say the RR needs to switch targets, rather get rid of the targets all together.
Because you are at oddswith the mission of this place. This is an anti-bullying, anti-bigotry site. That video is cyber bullying. If someone could commit suicide over their lovemaking being put on the internet someone else, who was already depressed, could easily commit suicide if they stumbled upon this video and saw themselves being made fun of. Who am I? I am someone who was bullied as a kid and I will always stand up against bullying, no matter who the bully is.
But…
Would you take pictures of them and put them on the internet for complete strangers to mock?
CrueltyI believe that it’s cruel to mock others for their appearance, and I have never called a friend’s attention to someone for the purpose of pointing and laughing. As a trans woman with a repaired complete bilateral cleft lip and palate I’m sad to think of people doing such to me.
Why so upset?If Joe Blow or Sadie Slow put up “Ode To The People Of Walmart”, I might think it in bad taste, or even rethink any friendship we might have. Perhaps I’d just bite my lip, shake my head, and walk away.
When someone is a crusader for civil rights, when someone sets themselves up as a spokesperson for a despised minority, I hold them to a higher standard.
I certainly do not expect them to be making fun of other folks.
It has nothing to do with being “PC”, nor is it out of any personal dislike for Ms. Sandeen – it’s just unbecoming for a person who speaks up, and stands up for human rights, to be so callous about other folks who have been “othered”, much the same way folks she stands up for have been.
There is really no excuse for this.
“P.C.”…Also known as being Polite and Considerate. Or Personally Compassionate.
No politics needed.
Three days, one pathetic apologistic response (and not even from Autumn)Well, I’m calling it.
Time of death: 6:51 am, CDT.
PHB’s legitimacy – R.I.P.
Regardless of the intention…… posting this video here demonstrates an astounding lack of judgment. Regardless of the larger point she may or may not have been trying to make.
my responseIt’s repeated at the top of the post.
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I tried to walk away from this post but it keeps nagging at me. As others have noted, it’s disturbing to see such mean-spirited “humor” on PHB. More disturbing is that it is coming from someone who is often “speaking on our behalf.” I guess everyone needs someone to feel superior to (that is, if their self-esteem isn’t intact) but I don’t want someone fighting for civil rights who is willing to point and laugh at others.
Pam doesn’t believe in deleting the post, and neither do I. I’m a firm believer that if you take the time to deliberately write and post something controversial or offensive you shouldn’t be able to bury it. What has yet to be seen, however, is whether or not Sandeen has the courage to either defend or apologize for her actions.
I agree with not deleting the postBut the video really should be removed. People can find it online easy enough by goggling it or you could even have a link. The one thing you left out is cyber bullying. None of those people consented to have their picture used in this way. If any of these people were under 18 it would be a crime.
I doubt you would allow a repost of Tyler Clementi’s video, even if it were available elsewhere, even if he had not committed suicide. I realize that legally, no one has a reasonable expectation of privacy at WalMart but that does not make it right. I certainly hope Autumn removes the video of her own accord.
Thank youThank you for your response.
I can certainly see how you could have that reaction about SOME of the people in the video but as a former fat person yourself I’m surprised you didn’t get that fat people were begin made fun of. Yes, I know they say they are making fun of their outfits but you and I both know that if it were a “hot” man or woman, the more skin the better but overweight people are supposed to keep everything covered up. I’m sick of that attitude too. “That’s gross” is exactly what straight people say about gay sexuality and I’m amazed at how many gay men in particular use that put down against fat people without seeing the irony. Many straight people are genuinely “grossed out” by the site of two men kissing but we have a right to be ourselves and express affection and to have our lives represented on TV and movies and they just have to get over it. The same applies to fat people.
Weak Autumn …very, very weak.
The original video…includes the tags, “fat people” and “ugly clothes.” Speaks for itself.
Why can’t anyone just apologize anymore, say I was wrong, I was stupid, I wasn’t thinking, or something along those lines? Instead even bloggers have to take the politician’s way out and be “sorry if I offended you.”
Well I knowWhen I want make the point that I’m “celebrating diversity” rather than laughing at people who look different, I use a “rofl” emoticon to really drive the point home.
Larf.
Okay, you know what? No.People of Wal-Mart is a site that has been called out for classism and plenty of other reasons since its inception, and in September of 2009, the media/bloggers were very vocal in criticism. And now, nearly 2 years later, someone posts it here and claims they had no idea it would be received poorly? Unbelievable.
Autumn thinks laughing at poor, poorly-dressed, outcast, trans, and mentally ill people is fun for the weekend. She now wants to cover her butt by saying she paid so little attention to highly-publicized cultural issues that she had no idea PoW was problematic. She thought it was a celebration all along, you see. She very slyly states that it was the commenters who saw bigotry, not her pure mind, oh no. Pam won’t remove it because she’s taking the high ground, morally pointing out that there is bigotry in the world. Hey, thanks Pam! We didn’t know that until Autumn posted this video! So nice of you!
Absolute crap. Autumn and Pam, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Agreed.I agree. This is exactly how I feel.