More amicus briefs filed: Eagle Forum and Mat Staver & Bam Bam’s Liberty Counsel — in support of the government’s DOMA defense in Gill et al. v. Office of Personnel Management et al. From Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders (GLAD):
We have received amicus briefs on behalf of DOJ from Eagle Forum, the American College of Pediatricians, and one from the attorneys general of Indiana, Michigan, Utah, Colorado, and South Carolina.
Also up are the briefs from the Pacific Justice Institute and the Foundation for Moral Law. From the Liberty Counsel brief, an attempt to say Loving v. Virginia is not a legitimate comparison to refer to when considering the legalization of same-sex marriage.
Loving v. Virginia is readily distinguishable.The District Court’s reliance on Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1 (1967), as evidence that Congress lacks authority to define marriage for purposes of federal laws is misplaced. (Op. at 7-8). To support its conclusion that Congress lacked authority to define marriage in DOMA, the District Court stated that prior to Loving, when some states prohibited interracial marriages, the federal government relied on state law definitions of marriage for purposes of federal law. Not only does this fail to address the other federal statutes mentioned above that defined marriage, it also ignores a critical distinction between the situations when, on the one hand, a state law definition of marriage is more restrictive than a federal definition of marriage (as in the instance of the state bans against interracial marriage), and, on the other hand, a state law definition is more expansive than a federal definition that incorporates the longstanding common law definition of marriage as the union of one man and one woman.
As the Supreme Court ultimately and correctly held in Loving, it constitutes unconstitutional discrimination to prohibit interracial marriage. Prior to Loving, the federal government accepted the state definition of marriage for purposes of many federal statutes from those states that prohibited interracial marriages. Although no state should ever have prohibited such marriages, there are at least two reasons why the federal government might have relied on the state law definitions for purposes of federal statutes even when the state definitions unconstitutionally prohibited interracial marriages.
First, none of the marriages presented to the federal government for recognition was inconsistent with the longstanding definition of marriage as the union of one man and one woman. Thus, while all the marriages allowed by the state fit the longstanding common law definition of marriage, the state’s definition included fewer marriages than would be accepted by the federal government. In other words, the federal government was not asked to acknowledge as a valid marriage anything that was inconsistent with the longstanding common law meaning of marriage as the union of one man and one woman. Second, the interracial couple could relocate to another state that permitted interracial marriage and, in turn, have their marriage recognized for purposes of federal statutes.
In contrast with the federal government’s acceptance of the more limiting state definition of marriage before Loving, the relief requested by Massachusetts asks the federal government to broaden its definition of marriage to include relationships that are inconsistent with the longstanding definition of marriage as the union of one man and one woman. In other words, it asks the federal government to recognize as a valid marriage a relationship that is repugnant, as was polygamy and bigamy, to the common law definition of marriage.



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American College of Pediatricians = 300 anti-gay M.D.sAmerican Academy of Pediatrics is the American professional organization whose membership consists of Board certified pediatricians (and pediatric residents, some 15,000+ members. Almost all American Board-certified pediatricians belong – minus the 300 or so who got p.o.ed when AAP recognized the rights of LGBT children to be treated as fellow human beings.
Well, I’m not a studied historian. . .but it seems to me that the question could be raised about what actually constitutes the definition of a “man and a woman.” Since our nation has a rather sordid history of counting citizenship for slaves, for example, as only being (was it 3/5?. . .and yes, I know it was defined for purposes of voting), weren’t marriages between slaves at one time prohibited (and denied benefits) unless arranged by the property owners?
Of course, this contradiction flies in the face of the other “marriage” tradition, in which white people from other countries could be automatically granted citizenship upon “marriage”. . .which makes me wonder if our laws only recognized white people as “men and women” and that was the basis for “common law.”
And then, women were once considered property as well, so their consent wasn’t required for marriage – and wasn’t that also grounded on common law? In the same manner that it wasn’t common law for “love” to be considered a valid reason for obtaining marriage rights? If that be the case, then very few marriages should be eligible for any legal benefits.
The reliance of these charlatans on definitions of marriage that are only allowed to evolve to suit their own personal prejudices is amazing.
Strange bedfellows?
Not exactly.
The religious right’s opposition to same sex marriage, using the excuse that thunder gawds and sky pixies are ‘agin’ it is the definition of bigotry in American politics.
Bigots opposing same sex marriage include Obama and most Congressional Democrats and Republicans, H. Clinton, der Papenfuehrer, the lds cult, most christer and islamic cults, Sarah Palin and cultnuts.
The cultnuts oppose it because they make money doing so. Politicians oppose it because they get votes, influence and then tons of money.
Not for purposes of voting, but for apportionmentEven though the Southern states denied any civil rights whatever to their slaves, they wanted them to be counted as full human beings for apportionment purposes, i.e. for purposes of deciding how many representatives a state got in Congress. The northern, anti-slavery delegates to the constitutional convention argued that slaves should not be counted at all for apportionment purposes, since their states didn’t count them as citizens for any other purpose. The 3/5 count was the best compromise the northern faction could get. And it is why the Southern states were able to dominate national politics up to the Civil War, and why all efforts to ban slavery by congress were defeated. It sounds paradoxical, but the slaves would actually have been better off if they hadn’t been counted at all (for apportionment). The South would have been politically weaker then, and slavery might well have ended earlier than it did, and with less bloodshed.
One man one woman mantraSay it enough and it must be true.
Love it how the Antis support state rights in defining marriage when those rights are more restrictive than federal but not when less restrictive. Nice try.
Didn’t Liberty Counsel graduate to the watch list, not quite hate list, of the SPLC hate group list recently.
Never heard of the Foundation for Moral Law. While always wanting to know the enemy, it’s also bittersweet to find yet one more group which institutionalizes bigotry.
According to the Eagle Forum and the Liberty CouncilNot only do we have no right to marry, we have no right to complain about it either. We just have no rights at all.
I guess we should all just shut up and go away and be happy they’re not rounding us for extermination yet.
Thanks fellas.
More animus briefs?
Good. That actually helps to make our case.
Holy crap.Yeah that caught my attention too. Good grief, how did that get past their filters?
I think, if they actually paused to study history, they would find that many people DID believe that “mixing the races” was repugnant to the “commonlaw definition of marriage,” among other things.
My argument exactly, Kevin!I’ve been calling for using gender and genetics as an argument against DOMA for a long time, Kevin.
None, and I do mean none of the state laws nor the federal version codifies what IS “man” and “woman”. This leaves it vulnerable for being struck down by the courts strictly along gender lines.
I live in Ohio, where I can’t change the gender designation on my birth certificate. This means I can legally marry a cisgender woman, despite the fact we’d look like a lesbian couple. Would we be in a “same-sex” marriage in the eyes of another state?
The bigots and assimilationists cannot fathom the fact that the Loving decision is as much a Establishment Clause ruling as it is a Full Faith and Credit ruling.
Just as in the argument for banning interracial marriages, the argument against marriage equality has been couched in religious trappings.
Yeah……that was a HUGE, HUGE mistake on their part. Saying gay relationships are repugnant is 100% opinion. There is obviously no legal proof to back up that claim. The fact they compare homosexuality to polygamy (a heterosexual behavior) and bigamy (again, a heterosexual behavior), completely destroys their argument. It’s almost as if they couldn’t make their point if they didn’t slander gay people.
that’s not what they saidat the risk of sounding like a Liberty Council apologist, what they said was that the idea of homosexual marriage was repugnant to the definition of marriage, meaning the common law definition doesn’t accept it as part of itself, in the same way bigamy and polygamy don’t fit into the common definition.
Homosexual relationships are “repugnant” to a definition. Now, I’m not sure that’s even possible and yes, it’s offensive language and doesn’t at all help make their point but let’s not go running around yelling that they called us or our relationships “repugnant.” Let’s leave the quoting out of context to the anti-equality people.
that’s not what they saidat the risk of sounding like a Liberty Council apologist, what they said was that the idea of homosexual marriage was repugnant to the definition of marriage, meaning the common law definition doesn’t accept it as part of itself, in the same way bigamy and polygamy don’t fit into the common definition.
Homosexual relationships are “repugnant” to a definition. Now, I’m not sure that’s even possible and yes, it’s offensive language and doesn’t at all help make their point but let’s not go running around yelling that they called us or our relationships “repugnant.” Let’s leave the quoting out of context to the anti-equality people.
Picking nits
In those states that recognize same-sex marriage, one can indeed be a homosexual bigamist if one enters into a marriage with someone while still married to another.
Well, if we’re going to be picky
Do they mean that polygamy and bigamy are no longer repugnant to those definitions?
That was simply a very poorly written section of that brief.
When “fierce advocacy” has allies like theseI have to wonder what, exactly, Obama is advocating.
Have you ever noticedthat it is always “one man, one woman” and never described as “one woman, one man“? There’s a huge subtext in there.
It’s as clear as it’s ugly what Obama is offering.
Based on religious bigotry – “gawd’s in the mix” – he’s offering civil unions or partnerships, AKA, second class citizenship.
No thanks.