crossposted on Holy Bullies and Headless Monsters
According to the Associated Press, a lot of lgbts are angry at the Democratic Party to the point that some are thinking of either not voting or sitting this election out:
If Democratic candidates are counting on long-standing support from gay voters to help stave off big losses on Nov. 2, they could be in for a surprise.
Across the country, activists say gay voters are angry — at the lack of progress on issues from eliminating employment discrimination to uncertainty over serving in the military to the economy — and some are choosing to sit out this election or look for other candidates.
Let me make this short and sweet. Any lgbt thinking of sitting this election out should think long and hard about whether it is a wise thing to do for the community. I say that on the basic principle that no American at any time should surrender his or her right to vote. Me as an African-American will never do that no matter how angry I feel.
Too many people have suffered beatings, humiliation, and even death for me to vote. For me not to vote would be spitting in their face.
But as a gay man, while I'm not happy with the progress of the Obama Administration on the BIG issues (i.e. DOMA, DADT), there is something nagging me extremely.
The lgbt community has had a wonderful year. Prop 8 was overturned, the Florida anti-gay adoption law is gone, the exposure of George Rekers opened so many's eyes to religious right junk science, the nation rallied around our youth when those awful suicides took place, and this week will mark one year since lgbt-inclusive hate crimes legislation was signed into law.
I have a serious problem reducing all of the positives of this year to one big minus simply because of DOMA and DADT.
I have a serious problem getting angry at the Democrats so much that I am willing to sacrifice our momentum.
But mostly, I have a serious problem with our community getting so angry at what Obama didn't accomplish that we ignore what we did accomplish. Please notice I said we as in the lgbt community and our allies
It would be nice that with a simple stroke of a pen, our lives would get better, but it's not going to happen that way. Even if DOMA and DADT was overturned, we are still going to have to deal with ignorance and prejudice. Our children are still going to have to deal with bullying. We are still going to have to deal with those who seek to either trivialize our lives or bash in our skulls.
All of this took place before the Obama Presidency and it will continue after his presidency. The only reason why there have been positive changes is because we took the initiative to make those changes.
And I guess that's my reason for getting angry at folks threatening to sit out on election day. To me, not voting is the same as cowering when someone threatens you. And this time's it's not necessarily a person making the threats but the circumstances of the times. But as quickly as a coward runs home when threatened by a bully, some of us are retreating into our safe zones, ready to give up our advantage (because we do have one) simply because our anger.
There should be a bit more understanding and an appreciation that the BIG issues are not the only ones affecting the lgbt community and that there are some who not affected by the BIG issues at all. I know many young black gay men who could care less about DADT but was floored by the fact that Obama took time out to speak to youths about bullying. To them, it was the first time they ever saw a president and a black man being publicly supportive.
Some victories may come fast, others will take time, but we are winning.
This by no means is a defense of the Obama Administration or the Democrats, but an attack on how the lgbt community is yet again “reacting.”
For me, it mostly comes down to this:
We reacted because the police kept harassing us as Stonewall,
We reacted because Anita Bryant told those lies about us in the 70's,
We reacted because of the AIDS crisis,
We reacted because of the Proposition 8 vote.
Our history seems to be a pattern of reacting.
When you react, you lash out and are on the defensive. You are not in control of the situation because you are trying to rally yourself from whatever calamity that has been thrust upon you.
And that has been our problem.
We are constantly trying to rally ourselves after being slapped. We wait until we have been wronged before we act and then we try to take care of the situation with a rushed public display of anger. And deciding to sit this election out is the ultimate rushed public display of anger. Refusing to vote would do nothing but surrender our advantage, not to mention send a negative message to the many lgbt candidates running for office (another victory we seem to forget about in the midst of our anti-Obama gripefest).
One level, we do come across as a community with legitimate grievances (because our anger and frustration are legitimate), but on another level, we come across as a community willing to cut our noses off to spite our faces simply because we want things NOW.
But basically, I'm saying this – don't sit this election out because if we don't vote because we haven't gotten what we wanted, then we deserve whatever we get.




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Exactly.Regardless of how we feel about the current state of things (and I think disappointment is the bare minimum we can feel if we’re paying attention, with rage a perfectly valid view), the fact is, sitting out an election is the LAST way to influence a party for the future.
People keep saying that they will stay home to prove to the Democrats how much support they lost. But it won’t work that way. Political strategy is based on what works to get the people who vote to vote for you.
If we stay home and let the Tea Party show up in force, it won’t convince Democrats to be more progressive to get us inspired, it will prove to them that they need to shift to the right to pick up more of the right-leaning moderates who DID go vote.
If we stay home, the people in office will be that much more afraid that anything progressive they do will cost them the next election. If we show up in droves, it will prove that they have a safety net to take what they feel is a progressive risk.
People speak as though the Democratic Party platform is a given, and that if we stay home, they will get motivated to step up and meet our needs. Instead, it is far more likely that they will be motivated to write us off and change the platform. If LGBT people don’t vote anyway, there’s no downside to being weak on LGBT issues.
Hold your nose if you have to, but vote. Then communicate to whoever is elected what you expect them to do, and prove that we are watching them.
I Agree With Alvin On Some But Reach Different Conclusion I agree that we shouldn’t skip voting because I believe that it’s our duty to vote. And I think we should channel that anger by showing the Democrats there are consequences. If you can and your Democratic candidate in your area is not GLBT supportive vote for a 3rd Party candidate or right someone in. If we continue to vote for Democrats just because they are a little better than the Republicans we are being motivated by fear and taking the coward’s way out. We aren’t being cowards by sending a message to Dems. We are starting to get a battered spouse syndrome within our community by continuing to vote for the Democrats. By all means if your Democrat in your races are pro-GLBT in actions and not just words then vote for them. If not stop rewarding them for bad behavior.
It seems Alvin is telling us to vote blindly for the Democrats. That is what got us where we are. If they know they can take our votes for granted they will continue to do the same over and over again.
Rewarding Bad Behavior?? But Lymis if you vote for them knowing they aren’t any good and say we are watching you they are going to laugh in your face because you have proven there are no consequences for their actions. That’s like giving a kid who just hit you a cookie for doing it and saying I’m watching you. Why should they do anything different? You have rewarded them for bad behavior.
No, Alvin Is Not Saying ‘Vote Blindly For Democrats’But neither am I voting for Greens in this cycle. An independent vote adds to a net vote for a psycho Republican
Here’s another take on why this election is important.
It sets the stage for how the political landscape will look for this decade.
Remember the 2010 census forms we filled out? Well, starting next year all that population data gets released and the fun begins of redrawing all the congressional district, state house and senate districts, and local city council districts boundary lines.
Whichever party controls the legislature will control the process of drawing those district lines to maximum advantage for their side which will stay in effect until 2020.
If you don’t think that has implications for the future GLBT agenda, you haven’t been paying attention. How the districts get drawn is almost as important as who counts the votes, what type of machines are used to cast your ballots and how it gets done.
You Contradicted Yourself You said that isn’t what he said and you bring out the same fear card played by the DNC. Frankly voting by fear is the cowardice thing to do. And the argument well we can’t vote 3rd party because of fill in the blank. Then we will be told in 2012 we have to vote for Obama and the Democrats because of Supreme Court nominees that 2014 it will be something else. Come on people wake up!!!!! The Democrats have played on our fears to keep us cowering and voting for them as they throw us under the bus. Again I am not proposing not voting for a Democrat who has been a loyal supporter but when they are not stop being a battered spouse. It’s time to walk away. And if the Democrats are out of power they might learn especially if they feel it is because of the GLBT community.
I’ll be voting for DemocratsBut I just happen to live in a good spot where I don’t have to hold my nose to vote that way. At this moment, I don’t know if I could say the same thing if Obama were on the ballot.
ElectionsHORSESHIT! In case you hadn’t noticed, we tried that. Again and again, we have supported the Democratic Party. In return, they’ve given us DADT, DOMA,and a kick in the balls for good measure. To add insult to injury, we have Obama apologists peddling the noxious moral blackmail that, however badly we’ve been treated in the past, however badly we may be treated in the future, we are somehow irresponsible if we don’t support the very people who have betrayed us. I will vote for my congressman because he is a genuine progressive, taking politically dangerous pro-equality positions in an overwhelmingly red district. But any gay who supports a Blanche Lincoln clone deserves everything he gets. And I will be damned to Hell before I support a cynically manipulative, morally bankrupt Democratic national establishment. Wake up and smell the coffee — the Democratic Party has played us for suckers for a generation. It stops here, and it stops now.
We should vote. But McEwan is so off base and wrong in the rest the article
Hey House Blend. This is Will from Back2Stonewall.com and I’d like to add my two cents to this.
Of course we’ll vote. We always do. We’ll drag our second class LGBT asses to the Polls and vote for the Dems because they suck less (Thier NEW slogan this year) and we knopw Rupublicans are evil and Tea Party Candidates are insane.
Do we need to be proactive. YES. And we have been. Thousands of calls for a repeal of DADT, for the passage of ENDA and the repeal of DOMA but lets face it. Congress especially does not listen. They do whats best for them. We all know that.
THAT being said McEwans article is way off the mark on many thing. Especially about reactions.
If NOBODY reacted because the police kept harassing us as Stonewall, we’d all be hiding in dark bars still to this day.
If NOBODY reacted because Anita Bryant told those lies about us in the 70′s, Antigay adoption would have swept the US and not only have been contaiuined to a few states.
If NOBODY reacted because of the AIDS crisis, Hundreds of thousands more of our brothers and sisters would be dead because Regan and the Goverment would have continued ignoring it.
If NOBODY reacted because of the Proposition 8 vote. There would have been no appeal by Olsen and Boies because our Gay Inc organizations DID NOT WANT to go that route.
If NOBODY reacted about the lack of movement on DADT we would probably still be waiting for something. Anything to happen.
Reacting has gotten us what little we have. That has NOT BENN the problem as McEwan states. If anything we need to keep reacting because that is what leads to the pressure to get elected officials moving.
VOTE but keep pushing, keep reacting and keep fighting. because if you haven’t noticed we have made no real gains via boardroom politics and activism.
On Reacting
That’s interesting, I had no idea that the democratic party overturned prop 8, (Wasn’t that a Reagan appointee) the Florida anti-gay adoption law, (didn’t Charlie Crist & McCollum decline to appeal, placing them to the left of the administration?) or outed Rekers (The Miami New Times).
Point being: we’ve had a good year, but because it hasn’t had much to do with the democratic party, it undermines your point.
And you completely lost me when you strung together Stonewall, Anita Bryant’s activism, and the AIDS crisis, and Prop 8 as NEGATIVE examples of reactions from the community. Thanks but no thanks to everything that came after that.
To criticize gays for somehow “reacting” to these things (as opposed to being proactive) is just–I don’t know, I’m trying to find words. From what historical moment free of police harassment would we have been able to stage a proactive movement against it before Stonewall?
Let’s move it forward a bit, to the bar raid in Forth Worth on the anniversary of Stonewall last year. What action were we guilty of not taking to prevent this in advance?
Let’s move it forward even further. What should we be doing now to avoid the next lethal incurable sexually transmitted disease to emerge? Surely, given enough time, there will be another epidemic of the sort. So, how is it transmitted? What are the symptoms?
I know it’s besides the larger point of your post, but those bits really threw the needle off the record for me.
Whooops – SorryMeant to say “we have made no real gains via boardroom politics and advocacy via the HRC/Gay Inc. plan”
Sorry need more coffee. And spellceheck which is better than the reality check that Alvin McEwan needs I suppose.
To characterize our struggle as “Defensive” is insulting in the extremeWe did not simply “react” to Stonewall or AIDS or anything else.
I’m guessing you’re very very young as oyu know NOTHING of our history and how and why we fight.
To pitch for Obama is beyond disgusting. Why should we be obliged to prop up a con man who takes our money, claims to be our “fierce advocate” and never misses an opportunity ot kick us in the nads?
How do you think gay politics worls, anyway? If you imagine straights have anything to do with it then you’re seriously deluded.
I am Beyond Disillusioned by the voting process. We have a “choice” between those who want to hurt us, and those who claim to be our friends but whn it comes to the crunch will stand back and let them hurt us.
We need two partiesRight now the problem is we do not have two legitimate political parties. We have a poorly run and largely incompetent center right reality based party and we have an extremist party that is completely unhinged from reality and who cannot be allowed to come to power.
The problem is how do you punish the democrats for being a gutless, pandering, pathetic excuse for a party without simultaneously scuttling the USA? If anyone has an answer, please let us know. I certainly don’t.
Our Congressional race here on Cape Cod is neck and neck. The democrat is a boring hack that I have no particular affection for either way. But his opponent is a tea bagger lunatic who while he was a police officer covered up his partner’s sexual assaults on two early teen girls. One victim reporting that he did nothing despite her screaming and pleading for help. I’d love to punish the democrats, but how in the world can I not vote against someone who did such a thing?
“None of the Above” is a perfectly acceptable write-in candidateVote in every race, but do not vote for candidates who care nothing for your fundamental human rights.
And Keori: my problem with the Democrats is not that nothing has been done, but that the only leadership most Democrats have shown on my fundamental human rights has been to oppose them at every turn. If they would at least try — Hell, I would be satisfied if they would at least APPEAR to try — to work towards equality, I would be willing to support them. I don’t think that is an unreasonable level of expectation. If they cannot fake genuine interest in fundamental human rights, what f-ing use are they?
Sorry, no.In some cases, I’m not voting for them at all, but against their opponents.
Someone who has failed to keep promises that were important to me, or appeared cowardly or indecisive about critical issues is still vastly to be preferred over someone who both personally and as part of a party have publicly announce the intention to work tirelessly the wrong way.
Taking LGBT issues in isolation, if my only choice is between a lukewarm ally or someone taking a neutral stance and someone who is dedicated to working against gay rights, it’s a frigging no-brainer. Sure I would prefer an active ally. And now is the time to start working to position active allies to be viable candidates in 2012 or 2014. But right now, today, the people on the ballot are the ones on the ballot.
The PRIMARIES, and their runups are where we try to get the “right” candidates in place.The elections are where we make the final choice, given who is presented to us.
I don’t vote for someone “to reward them for good behavior.” How infantile. I vote for someone because, as a citizen, I have the responsibility to give my input regarding who, among the choices presented to me, is the best for my country, my state, and my community.
In a lot of cases, that means voting to keep the other bastards OUT of office. Almost universally, the current Republican candidates and incumbents are bad for the country.
And, honestly, at least in my adult lifetime, even if the Democrats are “just as bad” as the Republicans (a statement I vehemently disagree with. Anyone who thinks McCain/Pailn would have been “no different” is an idiot, in my opinion), the fact remains that a large group of Democrats with effectively unlimited power runs in circles and eats each other alive, while a large group of Republicans with effectively unlimited power links arms and marches in perfect unison in completely the wrong direction. All you have to do is look at the number of dissenting votes cast by Republicans under Bush. They are vanishingly rare. You could effectively have the same Congress with a single Republican with a lot of proxy votes.
And again, honestly, if neither party is going to embrace my issues or treat me as a fully functioning citizen, I would still rather vote for people who are not actively out to get me, to recriminalize my life, and to enshrine discrimination into the Constitution. If “the right answer” to LGBT issues isn’t on the table right now, there are a lot of issues where it is – and voting against Republicans is an important way to keep things that way.
This spouse batters back.We’re not a bunch of spoiled children throwing a temper tantrum. I’m so sick of being scolded by “A-List” gays and the HRC. Get down on the front line and live like me for a while and lets see how angry you get. My HUSBAND was forced to leave this country and you expect me to vote for the people that could change that but WON’T??? Nope not gonna happen. Appealing the DADT ruling was my last beating I’m taking. I’ve got a new baseball bat and I’m using it Nov. 2
Redistricting is handled at the state level — not in CongressPunishing federal Democrats will have no impact on redistricting.
So, vote against the federal Democrats!
Further, one could make a good argument that Obama’s Justice Dept — which will have to give preclearance to new districts in areas subject to the Voting Right Act — doesn’t have that great a track record in civil rights matters.
Don’t be surprised when the lawyers in this “Democratic” Justice Dept help unravel the Voting Rights Act. It’s the first Justice Dept in decades to be under Democratic control during census/redistricting time.
We have a Two Party systemThat is to say, the country is run by the single corporatist Two Party, organized into separate wings to give the appearance of a multi-party state. As long as the Two Party has sole access to public office, nothing will change.
Wrong.Unless you are in a very rare district, voting for a 3rd party is voting for a Republican.
If there is a reasonable chance that you can elect a 3rd party candidate, and at local and state levels there often is, then absolutely, go for it. But in races where the split is 51-49 in the polls between a Democrat and a Republican, you might as well right in “unicorn” as vote for a third party.
A week before the election is not the time to try to create a new, motivated, viable third party. You aren’t going to “punish” a Democrat, you are going to ELECT a Republican.
Sorry But You Are Perpetuating The Problem Sorry but this doesn’t cut it. I am willing to deal with a Republican who I know hates me for a few years so the possibility the next time the Democrat runs is pro-GLBT. If they keep winning elections with your votes they’ll keep doing the same thing. How that concept is hard to understand is beyond me. Stop voting because of fear!!!! The world is not going to end if the Republicans gain power. The Senate still has the filibuster and the president has veto power. Stop the abuse by the Democrats. I am sick of being told I should vote Democrats because they aren’t as bad. The lesser of two evils is still evil.
eh.I voted for all of the Democrats on my baallot already (the vote for Pat Quinn was a difficult one) but don’t tell me that I’m surrendering my right to vote because I choose to sit out an election (as I did in 1996).
And if anyone had approached me in 1996 I would have told them exactly why I sat out that election.
Freedom of speech also means the freedom not to speak; that is, the choice to stay silent.
The right to vote also implies the right (and maybe the duty) not to vote for reasons that I don’t have to justify to anyone.
The Democrats have not done all that much to deserve my vote, really (on lgbt and other issues) by my representatives have. And I voted accordingly.
This mentality is a HUGE part of the problemThe “who else are you going to vote for?” meme is exactly why the Democrats are free to shit on us, time after time after time. They are free to beat us up because there are no consequences.
If enough people vote third party, they will have a chance. To dismiss them entirely is to remain the battered spouse of the Democratic Party.
and the Democratic scapegoating of the gayswill turn me off in 2012 if it keeps up much longer
Not sure what I have to do with thisDarlin’, I didn’t write this diary. This is Alvin’s. But I appreciate the shout-out. And I agree with you 100%. This is exactly why I have been excoriating Obama for the last two years, since before the 2008 election. His words were pretty. His actions spoke a lot louder.
Paul Hodes, on the other hand, is the real deal, and that is why I am not only voting for him, but volunteering at his campaign.
And they’re free to scapegoat us toowhenever they want; in spite of the historical record on midterms.
What’s really sickening me is the Democratic Party’s sense of entitlement as far as GLBT votes are concerned.
Alvin…and the other enablersPut down the Kool-Aid and grow a pair. Voting for any politician who keeps you as a second-class citizen, who only wants to know you before the election, who only wants your money, then ignores you after the election, is never going to help win us our equality. Your shameless schilling for the DNC is disgraceful.
We’re not buying that line anymore. I will vote for those candidates who have taken action to advance the cause of equality for our population. The fence-sitters and the ‘separate is equal’ crowd get nothing.
I will be holding my noseand voting for a mediocre Democrat – but only because his GOP opponent is a batshit crazy homophobe. I cannot say I’m so sure others I know will do likewise. They are so, so tired of the lies and untruths.
And I would note that despite the “wonderful year,” here in Virginia NOTHING has really changed during the almost 2 years of the Liar-in-Chief’s (my new name for Obama) administration. Contempt best describes my feelings toward the White House and spineless Congressional Democrats.
Yes, the Republicans are worse, but at least they attack you face on as opposed to stabbing you in the back.
My Response to Mr. McEwan
http://www.back2stonewall.com/…
I hope that you guys will read and comment.
Amd Mr. McEwan. I’d like to hear from you also.
Sorry about thatToo early in the morning, not enough caffeine.
Hear, hear. I totally agree.
I don’t know how old Lymis is, but for those of us over 40, we’ve had enough of voting for the lesser of two evils or voting “against” the Republican. We’re tired of having Dems offer us the moon on the campaign trail and then, after not doing one damned thing that they promised, saying, “well at least I’m not doing the bad things that the Republican would have done.”
Not f*cking good enough anymore.
Lymis, how old are you?
With all due respect, you really are part of the problem. Your argument is EXACTLY what has caused the gay community to be the prison bitch of the Democratic Party.
Alvin, how interesting that you talk about ALL the things that Obama has done for us
yet you don’t mention ONE SINGLE THING that he has done. Why would that be?
To be honest with you I was one of those people who was going to sit this one out (for the FIRST time in my life). But your argument about the DUTY to vote struck home. You’re right. Too many people have fought (including me) and died for that precious right and I’m not going to abdicate my duty.
I also think that staying home is not the best way to send the Dems a message. If you don’t show up then they can make up any cockamammy story to explain away why their base didn’t show up.
Instead, I encourage all my GLBT brothers and sisters to GO VOTE but ONLY vote for candidates that have publicly and enthusiastically supported FULL and EQUAL gay civil rights.
In every race where NO ONE fits the bill, WRITE IN “HARVEY MILK”!
This will send a loud and VERY CLEAR message to politicians, especially Democrats, that we are not to be taken for granted anymore.
AMEN!
Remember the old saying, “If momma ain’t happy, ain’t NOBODY happy”?
It’s time for the gays to start playing hardball and say, “If the queers are gettin fucked, ERRRRBODY’S gettin fucked!”
What “precious right”?The “precious right” to get rooked?
The Democratic campaign strategists must be patting themselves on the back and laughing their heads off right now.
After sweating bullets with the realization that their inaction on the Rainbow agenda was going to cost them dearly at the polls, now they’re saying, “See, told ya so. We knew that the queers would panic eventually and come running back to us like an abused dog. They’re still in our pocket and we didn’t have to give them a thing. CA-CHING!”
Now they’ve learned an even greater lesson. They don’t even have to promise us anything at election time or spend money seeking our vote. All they have to do is TOTALLY ignore us and before it’s over battered wife syndrome victims throughout the community will do their job for them.
No promises, no campaigning, no money and no outreach and nothing after the election but they still get our vote.
We are the PERFECT constituency from a campaign strategist’s perspective.
COUNT ME OUT!
I also agreeI’m over 60 and I agree with Zeke and ManLambda. Enough is enough. Full constitutional equality, nothing less. Nothing less. Nothing less. Nothing less.
To characterize our struggle as “Defensive” is insulting in the extremeYes, I, too, took great offense.
The haters, and even some of our self-professed allies have referred to our outrage and justified impatience as “whining.”
Being called “defensive,” by one of our own, feels quite the same.
Please tell me why I should support democrats when Obama won’t even support democrats against their opponents? This is an OUTRAGE and should be getting coverage all over the place
http://www.americablog.com/201…
David, did you read my entire comment?
Voting IS a precious right but not when it becomes a hostage situation where we only vote in fear of Republicans or Tea Baggers. We should all vote for SOMEONE, even if we have to write in a name for every office. Not voting doesn’t send ANYONE a message because no one can know what the message is. Showing up and voting “None of the Above” or “Harvey Milk” or “End DADT” or for one of the very few fully gay supportive candidates out there, does send a powerful message.
If I don’t go to vote and a Teabagger wins the Dems don’t get the message but if I DO go vote and write in “Harvey Milk” rather than voting for the Dem who doesn’t support my full civil rights, and a Teabagger wins, then they do get the message.
One more important point that should not be overlooked.
The simple fact that national papers are reporting that the gay community’s anger could swing the election is HUGE.
I will guarantee you that the fear of us getting pissed off and not voting and swinging the election to the Republicans will do more to get the Democrats to take us seriously as a valued constituency than all of the votes, money, volunteering, phone banking, knocking on doors and rallying that we’ve EVER done COMBINED!
The religious right isn’t catered to because they are beloved. They’re catered to because they are FEARED.
It’s damned well time politicians start fearing the queers!
I watched live on LOGO as Obamauttered his famed “god is in the mix”. I didn’t vote for him for President because I won’t vote for anyone who doesn’t support my equality. I voted Green. I didn’t vote for Kerry in 2004 for the same reason and I won’t be voting for someone in 2012 unless they vocally support my equal citizenship.
That said, I’m fortunate enough to live in California where I can vote for the Democratic ticket down the line because they do support equality (Boxer took her sweet time to get there but claims she is now). I will be driving an hour through LA traffic down to Norwalk to vote early latter today.
I don’t know how I would feel if I lived somewhere where I don’t have someone I can vote for. We all know there are plenty of Democrats who do not support full equality.
As per the just released HRC Legistrative Scorecard, the number of Republican Senators with a ZERO score for gay rights DOUBLED from 16 to 32. With this election that number will rise by 5 to 8 more by my counting. The current anti gay Senate Republicans (and also Republicans running for the House) are vocal in there opposition to our humanity. ENDA seems doomed. DOMA will remain the law of the land. DADT is sputtering for good reasons. So those of you who live somewhere where you don’t have equality candidates to vote for, I can imagine why you would not be motivated to vote and I’m not sure what I would do.
I like that ideaI’ll probably have to do that in 2012 for pres.
Not voting I learned a long time ago that what one chooses NOT TO SAY often times has more power than what one may actually say. In much the same vein, by not voting, I am saying a lot.
As far as being on the defensive and not being proactive, please. The GLBTQ community is one of the most proactive communities in existence.
I have given the Democrats unwavering and nearly blind support for 32+ years. No more.
I will continue to support GLBTQ friends and allies when they follow through on their promises to this community. If they fail to do so, like Obama repeatedly has, they simply don’t deserve our support with our vote.
Alvin and others may mean well, and I respect their point of view, but I and others have a legitimate reason NOT to vote for many Democrats.
Bashing those of us in the GLBTQ community who have simply had enough of the lies, deceit and inaction is not a very good way of convincing us to vote for them. It is actually the same tactics used by the Obama administration. We are not whiners, we are adults, aldults who don’t appreciate being lied to or at the very least being ignored.
Yes, Alexi Giannoulias andJan Schakowsky I had no problem voting for.
Pat Quinn for Governor was another story. I voted for Quinn but I sure didn’t want to.
I’m votingI’m lucky to live in New York, where all my representatives in Congress (Schumer, Gillibrand, Weiner) and the leading candidate for governor are pro-equality, so I’ll be voting straight-ticket this election.
But another good reason to vote is because even if the Democrats don’t do enough for us, I’d frankly rather have people who don’t do enough than people who do everything to hurt us, which is exactly what we’ll get with most of the Republicans.
The GOP isn’t changing its platform on GLBT rights any time soon, and there’s a good chance it’ll become even more homophobic. Just look at how Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels was attacked for saying there should be a “truce” on social issues, and even he is no friend to the GLBT community.
…only if you assume that the Dems already *own* our votes.“Voting for a third party is voting for a Republican” assumes that such a vote takes away a vote already possessed by a Democrat. I’m still not clear why the Dems, who as a center-right party share my positions on very few issues, feel so willing to insist that voting for someone who agrees with me is taking away something that they feel they own more than I do — my own vote. Yes, in the very close races I’m more willing to hold my nose and vote for the rare liberal or “progressive” Democrat — but I’d be more willing to do so if they acted like votes from leftists were something to add to party-line votes, not something that they feel entitled to with no aid given in return.
I’m so sick of being scolded by “A-List” gays and the HRCJoe Solmonese has little credibility.
I mean, you can’t pride yourself on being the head of THE largest gay rights NON-PROFIT, when you’re personally raking it nearly $400,00 a year.
I’m gonna lose it one of these times he’s on Rachel or Keith, or whatnot, wearing his expensive suits and ties.
The man is in a relationship with the White House that reminds me of high school. A nerdy kid is gleeful because his father owns a liquor store and he can secretly score booze for the popular kids’ parties, which gets him INTO the parties. The popular kids merely tolerate him at these parties, because he delivers, but they don’t really respect him. He goes back to his other unpopular friends with an attitude of self-righteousness and superiority because he’s among the “in crowd.”
It’s nauseating.
“It’s time for the gays to start playing hardball”I have written Obama and the DNC letting them know that it is now my turn to present a compromise: You can have my vote in November, but I’m not promising it in 2012…You have two years to prove to me that you are indeed “fierce allies,” because right now, I merely feel more of the same old placation, condescension, patronization, and hater enabling.
I hope a lot of gay Americans will send a similar message.
This way, they can’t scapegoat us if/when they crash and burn in November, and they will understand that we’ve finally reached the limit of our tolerance regarding an intolerable situation.
Alvin’s Response to my BLOGPOST at Back2Stonewall
http://www.back2stonewall.com/…
I’m doing what I can to elect pro-equality candidates in WAMy ballot is a no-brainer because each and every partisan seat I can vote on has a proven LGBT-positive candidate running for it. However, if I lived in one of the neighboring congressional districts, I’d still have no problem supporting and voting for the D candidates even though they don’t all have legislative history to prove their claim to being LGBT allies. And here’s the reason: each is being challenged by anti-LGBT bigots. I’ll always take the risk and volunteer for, donate to and vote for an unproven candidate who has the spine to talk about LGBT equality, especially when it is a tight campaign against a Republican, as all of these are. The calculation is easy.
So I’ve got it easy. I’m not sure what I’d do if I had the choice of a so-so or anti-equality D vs. R. I’d probably still vote D just to hedge our likelihood of keeping a D majority, but I doubt I’d give time and certainly not money to such a campaign. More likely I’d be dogging it to make public commitments to equality.
What I will not do is give money or time to the DNS or DSCC or any other national democratic party entity until Congress and President Obama produce some durable legislative results like passing ENDA and repealing DADT & DOMA. The reason is that I refuse to give money that might be used to support an anti-equality jerk. As we all know, the DNC has a way of supporting anti-equality jerks even when there is a viable pro-equality Dem in the primary. Uh uh, I’ll not be a part of that.
PS
I was not the one who called him an “Uncle Tom” btw. If I did I would use “Auntie”
“papers are reporting that the gay community’s anger could swing the election is HUGE”And that is precisely why Obama made the IT GETS BETTER video. Too late to the party.
A lot of gays are ticked off that some gays are cynical about the aforementioned video, and aren’t just pleased that he did it. I really don’t care.
The Dems have long become accustomed to taking for granted our vote, and for the FIRST time, as they face peril in a very close, crucial election, know FULL WELL our votes could tilt the election.
The Democrats, I have little doubt, strategized to exploit a situation in order to win over some of those they’ve angered. To me, it’s obvious. Just two weeks before the election?
Obama should have made his OWN video or an elaborate plea to gay youth way before Dan Savage came up with the project he did.
Also, Obama simply could not have gone without making a video once Hillary did. If he didn’t, gays and our allies could have said, “See. We should have gone with her after all.”
So, no, I am not one of the “oh, that was so wonderful of the president” gays.
“We are not whiners, we are adults, aldults who don’t appreciate being lied to or at the very least being ignored.”It really infuriates me when we are called “whiners.” We’re talking about human dignity here. We’re talking about the deadly message these outrageously unAmerican laws and policies send to gay kids.
We’re not talking about toy cars.
It’s been deeply troubling to hear from those who profess to be our allies and advocates so flagrantly disrespect us and in doing so invalidate our very righteous outrage.
I already voted.I didn’t like doing it, but I am not letting Buck into the senate. The last time people tried to teach the democrats a lesson we ended up with eight years of Bush. I will not be party to having that happen again.
Lymis and McEwen are 100% wrong. Nobody deserves what the Democrats did to us. They both subscribe to the preposterous idea that we can “influence” the Democrats, a notion based on an wrongheaded misunderstanding of the real nature of the Democrat Party.
They see the Democrats as an fluid mixture of rightists like Obama. Pelosi, Biden, Reid and Barney Frank and rank and file ‘progressives’ and liberals who scuffle to define the politics of the Dem Party in Congress and the WH. That’s almost willfully ignorant. Nothing could be further from the truth. Unions, GLBT folks, groups like the NAACP and MALDEF, seniors, environmentalists, antiwar groups, civil libertarians and like minded groups have no – zero, nada, zilch – clout with the owners of the Democrat Party. They’re invited to donate their time and money but that’s as far as it goes. They’re ignored from the day after the election until it’s necessary to lie and dupe them again.
The only strategy that gets their attention of politicians is the strategy of mass action combined with direct action.
The leaders of the Dem Party are political hustlers who lie and then do exactly what they’re paid to do.
They’re paid to sabotage DADT and DOMA repeal to pander to bigots. They’re paid to sabotage ENDA because business leaders like paying us lower wages and scapegoating us. They’re paid by BP and Haliburton to sit on their ass while those companies pollute the planet and wage merciless wars of genocidal aggression for oil. We don’t pay them or own them, corporations do.
Voting for Democrats or Republicans is, in reality, voting for more of the same bigotry, war, economic decline and environmental disasters.
On November 2nd. 2010 and November 6th, 2012 vote left, stay home or write in RIOT DOG.
Wrong, Lymis. Dead wrong. There is NO important difference between voting for a Democrat and voting for a Republican.Both are defined by their parties and both parties are run by and for bigots. The difference is the Republicans don’t lie about it.
“Pro” GLBT politicians like Obama aren’t worth their weight in pieces of silver. Frank and others like him are Quislings or rank opportunists.
Don’t vote for bad Demsby all means vote for those Dems who uphold our equality, but if we do not deny votes to those who deny us freedon, we enslave ourselves
And yes, redistricting is an issue, but there is always some fear, and yes, it is always some fear and not some reward that the Democrats and their acolytes dangle to keep us voting for people who deny us full citizenship, something that should be our birthright.
Vote for candidates that support our equality and freedom
And a third party vote is not a waste, it is a sign, and enough of them are evidence to the dems that they WILL have to deliver if they want out support.
Pay no attention to those obamabots behind the curtain,.
This will have to come in a series of Lawsuits, just as it did for African Americans.
If you vote, you only encourage them.It’s like paying attention to a spoiled, unruly child; paying attention only gives him what he wants.
I am voting this year. Voting for Joe Sestak and hoping like hell he doesn’t turn out to be another Democratic sellout. (And what are the odds?) And voting for handful of local candidates.
But I can’t shake the feeling I’m being played for a sucker. Our elections, more and more, are show elections, flimsy attempts to disguise the fact that our government is the tool of the corporations and of the people. We have the 2000 election as, I would think, ample proof of that. Vote for anyone even remotely resembling a progressive (in Kerry’s case very remotely) and the powers that be will find a way to steal the election anyway. Voting only serves to lend an aura of legitimacy to a corrupt system.
And as for the assertion that all we have to do is elect the right candidates doe everything to be okay again, that’s like arguing that the way to fix prostitution is to staff the bordellos with virgins. They will in very short order either stop being virgins or flee in disgust.
The problem with the American political system is not individual candidates, however stupid or vicious they may be. The problem is the system itself, which is corrupt down to its roots. Voting only serves to perpetuate that system and give it a pretense of legitimacy.
So why am I voting? I’m damned if I know. And I still might change my mind. I’m sick to goddamned death of being played for a sucker by the corporations who own this country and their employees, the politicians.
I agreeRight now, Dems, the alleged champions of the secular republic, can say things like “God is in the Mix” and strong us along, giving us little or nothing.
They think that they will have no consequences, and usually they do not. Just last eve, a person told me that mu duty was to vote all dem, despite my local dems including a supporter of the Stupak amendment
The dems will change when we stop rewarding them
Nothing to Do With the DemsAlmost none of the swell things you list as happening this year for gay Americans had anything to do with the Dems you’d like us now to vote for. Not the overturn of Prop. 8 or the Florida adoption ban, not the exposure of Rekers, and not the community’s response to gay suicides. Only the hate crimes ban can be credited to the Dems, and the only reason they passed that one was because it was so easy.
If you want to reward this party for doing next to nothing, for taking your money and your past votes in return for indifference, then go ahead, and I guarantee you that you will relive this misery next year…and the year after that. If the Dems want my help, they’re going to have to help me. It’s that simple. Obama counseled us to take the long view. Somethimes the long view means that things have to get worse before they get better, maybe a lot worse. I would be only too happy to be seen as one of the voters who lost it for the Dems in 2010.
No, what he says is worse, much worse. Alvin says we should be patient. He’s dead wrong and so are you. Asking us to vote for Democrats locally is a backdoor invitation to vote for federal Democrat bigots and bigot panderers, for war and for bailouts for the rich.
Before you ask us to support local Democrats answer this question. Why does it matter which party of bigots is in power? Does it matter whether they shoot us in the gut chest or bayonet us in the back? Which is better, ovarian cancer or pancreatic cancer, because that’s the choice you offer us.
GLBT equality is not an isolated question. It’s organically connected to the rest of the Democrats program. On that basis the Democrats deserve to lose not just because they’re anti-GLBT bigots, but because they’re also islamophobic racists, immigrant bashers, toadies of the rich and looter classes and the party that’s wasting he lives the lives of GI and civilians in Southwest Asia, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Next you’ll be telling us to vote for a bigot like Obama in 2012 because he’s somehow better than whoever the Republicans dredge up from their swamp. In fact I’d be willing to bet on it.
Please don’t forget the other option: Write in RIOT DOG. Riot Dog protects protesters and hates cops. RIOT DOG is loyal and faithful and would never stab us in the back like Palin and Obama.
Riot Dog doesn’t send the right messageI will preface by saying that I don’t subscribe to your basic thesis (meaning, I think people should vote, but that’s an argument for another post), but if you are going to stage a symbolic protest write-in campaign, you should choose a write in that clearly shows that this is an LGBT vote being lost to the candidates. ”RIOT DOG” is not LGBT specific. I propose writing in “Harvey Milk” as the LGBT protest vote.
Maybe I’m biased because MY SENATORKirsten Gillibrand did so much fierce advocacy for our community. I cannot imagine not supporting her with my vote.
My anger at the White House makes me all the more determined to send MORE Congress people in the House and the Senate who will prove to be a pain in his ass as he tries to kick the can down the road further.
Vote ONLY for fully gay supportive candidates.
If none are available, write in “HARVEY MILK”!
The truth lies someplace in the middleI agree with you, but with a tip of the hat to your opponents in this debate. The problem is that we have been made a wedge issue between the political parties, and as a consequence, both parties take us for granted. For a Republcan, opposing us appeals to their base and supporting us is political suicide. For the Democrats, supporting us appeals to the base and opposing us is moderately damaging. Republicans have more to gain from fighting us than Democrats have to gain from helping us. Republicans have more to lose from helping us than Democrat have to lose from ignoring us. If we vote vote for Demomocrats generally, we can’t count on them coming through for us, but if Republicans get into power, they will reap political capital from trying to put us back in the box we’re trying to crawl out of.
In our two party system, we’re almost always up against the binary of Republican vs. Democrat, liberal vs. conservative. Those two simple choices do not adequately express the vast array of issues in a country our size, but the two party system has been so codified in law that it’s virtually impossible to break out of it for any other purpose than making a symbolic gesture. To refuse to support a Democrat in some way is to support a Republican. You may think you are abstaining from voting, but when it’s obviously true that were you to vote you would vote Democrat, not voting is voting Republican. Further, not voting makes you invisible as a political entity. Invisibility does not gain you any political power.
We need to start thinking beyond the two party binary. We need to break the mindset that our vote is all powerful. We need to start exerting our influence in election politics beyond our mere vote. Of the many ways you can support a candidate, voting is the lowest level of support. Giving time and money, putting up signs and bumper stickers, etc. are higher levels of support. They can influence many more votes than just your own. They can reach out beyond our own community to bring in centrist non-LGBT people to vote our way. It is an approach that dulls the sharp edge of party divisions and adds a dynamic to elections we can control.
I agree with you that much advantage can be made in primaries. If we were wise, we would identify and even cultivate LGBT supportive candidates before the primary and commit boots-on-the-ground support to getting them elected. This isn’t that different than what the Tea Party is doing on the conservative side. After the primaries in the general election, we can do the same to LGBT supportive candidates who we identify to help get them elected over their Republican challengers to both exert or influence to get our people in and to demonstrate to other Democrats that it’s wise to not take our constituency for granted. Active support of the LGBT community will get you much needed active support in your campaigns. No support for us, no support from us.
I think not votingwould have a lot more power – because as you say, silence can be deafening – if it wasn’t so common. Less than half the country votes regularly, so what is a few more ‘non votes’? Not voting is almost status quo.
Democrats, especially Obama supporters will blame LGBT folks when they get clobbered next Tuesday. The blame game began with lies from the White House blaming the left (that’s anyone to the left of Palin and Obama) and teh gayz for the fact that Obama’s party is going to lose (we won’t know how much until next Tuesday night). What we do know it that Obama’s party deserves to lose and the WH and its apologists are as wrong about this as they’re wrong about everything else.
It’s not just us. Everybody’s staying home. Especially the homeless people living in Obamavilles.
Join the crowds of LGBT folks, “Blacks, young adults, and women”, trade unionists, antiwar activists, environmentalists the long term millions of unemployed. . Vote left and vote against the backstabbing Republicans and Democrats. If you live in Nevada vote for None of the Above Candidates. Or write in RIOT DOG for every open office.
Why I voted for Nader in 2000One of the biggest reasons that I voted for Nader in 2000 was, yes, some of my displeasure at Bill Clinton for a host of things.
It was also because Al Gore did this “doom and gloom” appeal specifically in black communities and I got sick of it.
That type of appeal really turns me off as a voter.
Obama and the Democrats are making the same type of appeal here to gay voters and it still turns me off.
If Barack Obama were on the ballot November 2, he would not get my vote.
And he may not get it in two years.
But…he wasn’t on my ballot…
Insofar as Pat Quinn was concerned, yes, I had to think long and hard about the choice between Quin and the Green Party candidate.
Rich Whitney has been polling at 8-10% of the vote and in this race, that’s huge.
I don’t want Brady in the Governor’s Office.
If Whitney had a chance to win, I would throw a vote his way.
No, Pat Quinn isn’t perfect but he won’t wind up in jail, I don’t think.
And although he’s for civil unions and not full marriage equality, I’ve generally liked him over the years and he wants to do the right thing by Illinois, IMHO.
I don’t necessarily feel good about that vote and were I in the voting booth today…I might vote differently.
But probably not.
I believe Alvin’s point was being reactive vs. proactiveYes, being reactive has power, but not as much power as being proative. By taking a mostly reactive approach to winning our rights, we only deal with the most immediate problem in our face. By doing it that way, we are being led around by the next crisis instead of choosing our own path and pursuing it expeditiously. It is the difference between crawling and walking.
The question in my mind is can we be proactive to any significant degree? We are a loosely connected community of free thinking, free acting individuals typically prone to infighting over cooperation (just scroll around, you’ll see what I mean). It could very well be that in reality reaction is the only means available to us.
If that’s the case, is there any way we can react more effectively?
The fact remains that Milk was a Democrat. That would send a mixed message, because the Democrat party is run by bigots.Democrats are our enemies.
Writing in Riot Dog is a measure of our understanding that we live in a Banana Republic Republic with rigged elections.
If you have the name of LGBT person who’s neither a Democrat or a Republican or any other flavor of rightwinger feel free to bring it up.
Wasting your vote.Laws vary on a state-by-state basis, but some states require any write-in candidate to declare and register his or her candidacy for any write-in votes to count - otherwise they’re regarded as nonvotes. Consult your state’s secretary of state office to see what rules apply to you.
Writing in “Harvey Milk,” “Riot Dog,” “Spongebob,” “None of the Above,” et cetera will register as a nonvote in every US jurisdiction, because none are a living person who meets the basic qualifications for office.
Of course, if you want to go to the polls and waste your time and vote, that’s your business. Just don’t do so out of ignorance.
Qualification for federal matching funds and debate participation are based on percentages of votes cast in individual elections. If you’d like to see the political duopoly broken, voting for third parties knowing they’ll lose is not necessarily “wasting your vote” assuming your purpose is to expand electoral discourse.
Finally, it’s been said by many before me, but voting your conscience is never wasting your vote.
*sigh* and NOT of the peopleThat’s what I get for posting before I’ve had any caffeine.
Vote for specific candidates, know where they standBe an educated voter.
We don’t need a one size fits all philosophy of either vote for all Dems, or vote for no Dems.
Vote for the Dems who support us. If they don’t, try to find a 3rd, or write in, or someone else to vote for so that your voice is still counted.
For me, the President has a long ways to go to earn my re-election vote. But I can draw that distinction and still vote for candidates who do support equality.
My incumbent senator is a republican who has voted for anti-lgbt laws during his 16 years in congress. The challenger in this case, Elaine Marshall, is for DADT repeal, DOMA repeal, an inclusive ENDA, and for UAFA, and has it all up on her website for the world to see. And she called out her opponent as discriminatory in a debate. It was amazing. No one running for higher office in NC has ever stood with us so openly or proudly. (She also has the Pam’s House Blend endorsement & has done live blogs here & on many other progressive websites)
Democratic Rep. David Price cosponsored ENDA & voted in favor of DADT repeal, & cosponsored the Matthew Shepard Act, & cosponsored UAFA, & cosponsored DOMA repeal, & supported measures to fight HIV & equalize federal benefits, and he got 100 rating from the HRC. He’s cosponsoring the legislation, not just voting for it.
If all the dems were like the dems I will be voting for, then we’d have equality, or at least be a heck of a lot closer to it.
We have to cast educated votes, and a lot of them. I feel that we lose out when we try to use a one size fits all philosophy of vote for all Dems, or vote for no Dems. We must cast educated vote for supporters of equality.
Voting doesn’t do shitDid voting for Democrats end the wars in 2006? No.
Did voting for Obama and the Democrats get us single payer health care? No.
Did voting for Democrats get us Roe v. Wade? No.
Did voting get us the Civil Rights Act of 1964?
Voting is the LEAST political thing you can do and only idealistic liberals who know NOTHING of real struggle suggest that voting is relevant.
So, what, the Democrats win this time? I can’t wait to hear the excuses from Queer Democrats for why they will ignore us in this next session. Face it. There are two homophobic gay bashing parties in Washington DC: The Republicans and the Democrats. Anyone who doesn’t get that is functionally retarded.
People like Rep. David Price are part of the problemYour support of him is baffling.
Rep. Price is a senior legislator sitting in a powerful perch as an appropriations committee “cardinal” (or sub-chair) and hasn’t done a damn thing about ADAP funding or anything else we asked of him in the past 2 years.
Wake the h@ll up!
Co-sponsorship means nothing in the US Congress. His votes do mean something, but he has a voice in leadership on the hill and his voice has failed pitifully.
Either he’s too stupid to know how to use his influence (not the case IMHO), or he chooses not to prioritize these issues (that’s a bingo right there!).
So quit enabling so-called allies like Rep. Price.
Either they deliver, or they don’t. And Rep. Price — of all “allies” with a powerful post — certainly hasn’t.
There is a time to vote your conscience.That time is the Primary Election.
The Enemy – the Republican Party – has announced its true intention. It intends to enact laws which expand the inequality between rich and poor; laws which further mire undocumented immigrants in an illegal shadow status which can be abused at will to enrich whites; to enact Constitutional amendments which permanently enshrine second-class status for LGBT persons.
As much anger as we feel with the Democrats, it is not a question of the lesser of two evils. The Republican Party as constituted at this moment is UNQUESTIONABLY a great evil which must be fought and defeated.
What we need to do now is preserve what progressive victories we did win in 2008 (for example, replacing the detestable Norm Coleman in Minnesota with Al Franken, who has been a sterling ally and valuable legislator) and position ourselves to replace Blue Dogs with viable liberal Democrats for 2012.
Two years of the stated policy objectives of the Republican Party will break our nation. And that’s not something I can live with myself if I stand by and allow it to happen.
Given the options of
And his anti-marriage equality opponent, who is anti-choice, who is anti-federal funding for education, anti-loan interest student loans, anti-EPA existence, and so much more.
This isn’t a hard choice to make. If Price doesn’t count as pro-equality, then no one running for office in North Carolina does. I will happily vote for him tomorrow, and encourage my friends to do the same.
*low interest student loansis what what I meant to say there =p
I understand your logic, and it results in continued failure
You’re right. No incumbent Representative in NC has truly been an ally for LGBT rights.
An ally is not simply voting the way your leadership tells you to vote when they finally bring a bill to the floor that they won’t fight the Senate for.
It is about being more than that.
I demand more from the likes of David Price who has been given seniority and a leadership position.
If Price can continue to take your vote for granted after his leadership failures, then best of luck to you in the future.
You must be willing to lose in order to win.
I just can’t do it.
Thing is, only one of those things has anything at all to do with our supporting Democrats.
I just don’t believe supporting Democrats no matter what is an effective way to bring change. We’re always being told we have to support them, because the consequences of not doing so are too terrible. I think it’s time the Democratic Party learned that there are consequences for not supporting us.
As long as the Democrats think they can string us along with their patronizing incrementalism, they have no motivation to effect real change.
If you have a senator or representative who is fully supportive of LGBT equality (repealing DOMA, repealing DADT, and passing ENDA and UAFA) — and I mean credible support, not just empty words — then by all means support that candidate. Otherwise, the hell with them. No more excusing incrementalism, civil unions and other separate-but-equal nonsense. Full Equality Under the Law, or they can go screw themselves.
As long as the Democrats don’t have the guts to stand up for full equality, there’s no way we’re going to achieve full equality until the Republicans are good and ready. So let the Democrats know that anything short of fully equality is completely unacceptable. In the meantime, we’ll continue to work for the societal change that might — unlike the Democratic Party — actually achieve something.
I’m going to vote. But I’ve made a commitment not to vote for any candidate who has not endorsed full equality under the law for LGBTs. Unfortunately, in my district that means no Republican and no Democrats.
I agree. Democratic fundraisers, and voting for Democrats, may be the least effective thing we can do.
Barack Obama will not get my vote in 2012.Period. He very nearly didn’t get it in 2008. I never really did believe he was supportive of LGBT issues. I couldn’t help noticing that his church in Chicago had about 50 different ministries, but none for LGBTs. Then there was the way he dropped his longtime friend and mentor Jeremiah Wright like a hot potato as soon as Fox started squawking about Wright. It didn’t say much for Obama’s character. Finally, there was his vote on the FISA Amendments Act, which was basically a repudiation of the Fourth Amendment. I had the greatest misgivings about Obama. But since both the Greens and Libertarians both ran such horrible candidates, I thought it best to suck it up and give Obama a chance.
He had his chance, and he blew it. Never again.
Get used to it Crusty. Voting for any Democrat, Republican or any other rightwinger is the real way to waste a vote and is a vote against LGBT equality. I live in Nevada and we can and do vote for ‘none of the above candidates’ currently polling at about 10%.
As for the rest, this is not a democracy as long as laws, beginning with the provision establishing the Electoral College and hundreds of other laws on the books make it difficult to impossible for leftwing third parties to get on the ballot.
In a Banana Republic voting for RIOT DOG is as good a way as any of agreeing with Gore.
Wrong. The primary enemy of GLBT equality is whichever of the two leading parties of war, bigotry and mass unemployment is in power.
For the last two years it’s been Democrats promoting war, bigotry and mass unemployment.
In a week or so it’ll Republicans, at least in the house and maybe in the Senate, and Democrats in the WH.
Democrats are the enemy and so are Republicans. Democrats lie about it. Republicans no long bother to lie.
We were on the Offensive at Stonewallwe did not just resist the beatings, or hide in the bar.
We, the LGBT community, took to the streets, seized the streets and held them, made them our own, took a stand that shocked and embarrassed the soul of the NYC psyche.
That, my dears, is an action on the offensive.
Price isn’t the problemsure everyone needs to be pushed to do more. And sure there are some dems not doing nearly enough. But if you draw the dividing line such that even people like Price are the enemy, then you have no friends left. And he doesn’t get it for granted, he has earned it.
Anyone who thinks there is a political solutionto Civil Equality has either lost their damn mind or hasn’t been paying attention for the last 40 years. The political cowardice exhibited by the left and the right has left us second class citizens.
It is only we who sue for our rights who will get them.
Politicians are dogs begging at the corporate bowl. Forget them. They won’t stand up for LGBT rights.
Third Party VotingIf you’re planning on voting third-party, wait another few election cycles. Eventually the Republican Party’s going to fragment into actual conservatives and the far-right crazies in the Tea Party, opening the door for a multi-party system. Alternatively, speed up the process by planning to vote for a specific party (Libertarian, maybe? They’re the third-largest party and have a decent chance with enough votes in some states) in the 2014 elections (not the 2012, you need more than 2 years to plan something like that and you definitely want a chance to influence the next president).
I know you’re sick of waiting and sick of broken promises. We all are. But we can’t risk 2 to 4 years of Republican control of the Senate. I’m not saying vote Democrat because they’re not as bad as the Republicans, I’m saying (at least for now) don’t give the Republicans a chance to backslide on the freedoms we’ve already (somewhat) won.
Also, the Riot Dog’s name is Loukanikos.