Thanks to Blender Chino Blanco, we can see and hear the sorry-ass, hateful bigotry that can drive young people from the LDS Church AND contribute to the pain that drives others to take their lives, feeling there is no hope. From the lips of the decrepit Boyd K. Packer:
The transcript is below the fold. Here is HRC’s response:
The Human Rights Campaign (HRC), the nation’s largest civil rights organization dedicated to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) equality, today called on Boyd K. Packer, the president of the Mormon Church’s Quorum of Twelve Apostles, to correct statements he made yesterday calling same-sex attraction “impure and unnatural,” claiming that it can be corrected and characterizing same-sex marriage as immoral. Packer’s inaccurate and dangerous rhetoric comes on the heels of the suicides of at least four teenagers over the past month, all victims of anti-gay bullying or harassment. An additional seven teens committed suicide in the past year in one Minnesota school district alone; three of the teens’ suicides were connected to anti-gay bullying. Packer, who is 86 and one of the church’s most senior leaders, made his statements to a crowd of 20,000 – and millions more watching via satellite transmission — during the church’s 180th Semi-annual General Conference in Salt Lake City.“Words have consequences, particularly when they come from a faith leader. This is exactly the kind of statement that can lead some kids to bully and others to commit suicide,” said Joe Solmonese, president of HRC. “When a faith leader tells gay people that they are a mistake because God would never have made them that way and they don’t deserve love, it sends a very powerful message that violence and/or discrimination against LGBT people is acceptable. It also emotionally devastates those who are LGBT or may be struggling with their sexual orientation or gender identify. His words were not only inaccurate, they were also dangerous.”
As a church leader immersed in these issues, Packer should know better. The American Psychological Association and American Psychiatric Association have both concluded that same-sex attraction is normal and that “reparative” therapy – like the kind being advocated by the Mormon Church — is unhealthy and harmful. This is not the first instance in which the church has spewed lies related to same-sex orientation. Last summer, another senior member of the church’s hierarchy, promised that same-sex attraction could be cured. “If you are faithful, on resurrection morning – and maybe even before then – you will rise with normal attractions for the opposite sex,” Mormon Church leader Bruce Haffen told a conference.
Packer also took the opportunity to dismiss efforts toward marriage equality as ones that “legalize immorality.” Ominously during this speech, the apostle declared that the church hierarchy’s opposition to marriage equality “…will not change.” As HRC has chronicled on its website www.NOMExposed.org, the Mormon Church is a key funder of the so-called National Organization for Marriage (NOM), a powerful fringe group that regularly encourages anti-gay attitudes and behaviors. The church was also a prime funder of efforts to pass Prop. 8 in California. NOM board member and famous Mormon writer, Orson Scott Card, has said, “Any government that attempts to change it [marriage] is my mortal enemy. I will act to destroy that government and bring it down, so it can be replaced with a government that will respect and support marriage…”“Elder Packer’s remarks in General Conference were not only ill-advised and contrary to fact, but were mean-spirited and will be perceived by many as bullying,” said David Melson, Executive Director of Affirmation: Gay and Lesbian Mormons. “We see no potential for good coming from his words and much possible damage, to the church, to individuals, and to families. The LDS Church should be a source of love, compassion, and conciliation, and not of fear and unfeeling petty hatred.”
We raise an alarm and warn members of the Church to wake up and understand what’s going on. Parents be alert, ever watchful, that this wickedness might threaten your family circle. We teach a standard of moral conduct that will protect us from Satan’s many substitutes and counterfeits for marriage. We must understand that any persuasion to enter into any relationship that is not in harmony with the principles of the Gospel must be wrong. In the Book of Mormon we learn that “wickedness never was happiness.” Some suppose that they were “pre-set” and cannot overcome what they feel are inborn tendencies toward the impure and the unnatural. Not so. Why would our Heavenly Father do that to anyone? Remember, He is our Father.
Paul promised, “God will not suffer you to be tempted above what ye are able, but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.” You can if you will, break the habits and conquer the addiction and come away from that which is not worthy of any member of the church. As Alma cautioned, we must “watch and pray continually.” Isaiah warned, “Wo unto them that call evil good and good evil, that put darkness for light and light for darkness, that put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.”
Years ago, I visited a school in Albuquerque. The teacher told me about a youngster who brought a kitten to class. As you can imagine, that disrupted everything. She had him hold up the kitten in front of the children. It went well until one of the children asked, “Is it a boy kitty or a girl kitty?” Not wanting to get into that lesson, the teacher said, “It doesn’t matter, it’s just a kitty.” But they persisted. Finally one boy raised his hand and said, “I know how you can tell.” Resigned to face it, the teacher said, “How can you tell?” And the student answered, “You can vote on it.”
You may laugh at the story. But, if we’re not alert, there are those today who not only tolerate but advocate voting to change lives that would legalize immorality. As if a vote would somehow alter the designs of God’s laws of nature. A law against nature would be impossible to enforce. For instance, what good would the law against – a vote against – the law of gravity do?
There are both moral and physical laws irrevocably decreed in Heaven before the foundation of the world that cannot be changed. History demonstrates over and over again that moral standards cannot be changed by battle and cannot be changed by ballot. To legalize that which is basically wrong or evil will not prevent the pain and penalties that will follow as surely as night follows day.
Regardless of the opposition, we are determined to stay on course. We will hold to the principles and laws and ordinances of the Gospel. If they are misunderstood, either innocently or willfully, so be it. We cannot change, we will not change the moral standards. We quickly lose our way when we disobey the laws of God.
Transcript courtesy of BrinkleyBoy @ r/exmormon




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The HRC clearly does not understand LDSYou can’t reason with the Mormon church. You can’t make theological arguments about the will or intent of God with Packer. From the Mormon perspective, Packer is indistinguishable from God. He’s a prophet of God. If Packer says it, then it is the will of God. No reason can or should be applied to it. To try to apply reason to Packer’s words is blasphemy. As such, he’s not going to listen to any argument made by the HRC or any representative of the LGBT community, and is only likely to use our words against us.
Packer and his gang of 12 have chosen to go to war against the LGBT community. This is the classic politics of hate. Single out a harmless minority with a generally negative stereotype and then blame them for all the world’s problems. The Mormon’s are taking this tactic to score points with other religions, improve their public image with the majority, and to try to pull themselves further into the mainstream. As targets of their hate politics, we can’t respond with rational appeals and respect for their religious beliefs. We should be more on the attack against this “religion”. Mormonism is a grand fraud created by a convicted conman. They have reached outside of the bounds of their congregations and have tried to twist political systems to force their religion on people who don’t subscribe to it through the power of government. They are no longer entitled to the protections afforded organized religions. I think we should go on the offensive. Sue to get their tax exempt status taken away. Campaign to expose their hypocrisy and dubious history to the nation at large. Hamper their ability to both bring in donations and recruit new members. Be a thorn in their sides until they stop being a thorn in ours.
Even if you wrap it up with Bible quotes and declarations of “God says”…… bigotry and hate remain bigotry and hate.
Did the HRC really use the phrase “same-sex attraction”?Do they plan to validate any other psuedo-scientific hate speech from anti-human rights groups? Does the HRC not understand that being gay is a sexual and affectional orientation and not a matter of whatever strikes your fancy at the moment?
Mormon = ScientolagyNo respect for the Mormon religion. They are polite wonderfully nice people that will stab you with a smile on their face.
The way to fight them is to use the same tactic they use; religious hatred for anything different. If mainstream religions knew the Mormon story, they will treat them as a bunch cult they are. Salt Lake City is a successful Jones Town, nothing more. They are nut jobs right along side the Scientology.
Mormonism was founded by a man who married 14 year old girls, the wives of his best friends and anything else he wanted to screw, he had been a conman his entire life. They believe in 3 different heavens, a God of earth, one of many in the universe, and actually believe they will be equal to all those other God one day.
If the far right evangelicals, who the Mormons are playing to, get their way and replace our constitution with the Bible, I wonder who the Mormons think will help hide them when they come to round them up.
Be aware, the number one talking point of a Mormon is to say “You don’t know anything about Mormonism” call them liars and continue to spread the word.
But you can reason with the faithful . . . The fact is that the LDS leadership, as the Roman Catholic Church leadership, are false prophets who Rabbi Jesus, were he alive today, would condemn in the same way that he condemned their predecessors, the Scribes and Pharisees.
The same thing goes for any who claim to be “Christian” who also fail the litmus test and find a way to persecute the LGBT community. Some do it to play to the prejudices of their flocks, others do it to teach their flocks to be prejudiced – either way, they won’t be “saved” under their own sacred scripture unless they find a way to “hug the leper” – in this case, the LGBT community is in the position, for their salvation, that the leper played for Francis Bernardone of Assisi.
So disgusting.Even more so based on the timing.
Reverend Boyd Packer?Is the “d” silent?
Voting on the kittySo Packer has a problem with Congress voting on laws for equality, does he? I’d love to know how he thinks the Bill of Rights, which permits him to spread his foul superstition and his even fouler bigotry, came into being if it was not voted on. Does he think it was handed down from the Most High, one of those laws that were “irrevocably decreed in Heaven before the foundation of the world”? If Congress couldn’t vote on human rights measures, the Mormon church would still consist of a pack of Wild West outlaws living with the snakes and the millipedes in the desert.
He thinks, “Suckers.”Just like he thinks of his congregants.
Bruce Haffen and the hereafterWhat the . . . why would there be any need for sexual attraction in the hereafter? Oh yah, it’s the Mormon version of the hereafter–same as earth except an infinity to boink. Religious authoritarians making promises of a sexual paradise to recruit the gullible, sounds eerily familiar.
Spirituality is inclusive and unifying. It is not necessary to belong to an established faith with it’s own set of beliefs to spiritually connect across creed and culture. A lack of respect for differences is being used by these religious authoritarians as a social and political tool for intolerance and divisiveness. We all need a supportive environment to feel safe and secure; to be treated with dignity and respect; to feel connected; to be valued and trusted; to be able to express feelings and concerns; to build self esteem and confidence; to realize personal potential; to nurture a sense of hope and the ability to cope–with the insane, terrifying nightmarish brain-fevered visions of the Boyd Packers and Bruce Haffen’s of the world.
Hiding face with shame…There are christians…and there are mormoms.
so this is what the Quorum of Twelve Pustules thinks?
That is domestic terrorism under the Patriot Act, if I’m not mistaken. And certainly the Head Pustule’s oration could be evidence in some future bullying, or, God forbid, wrongful-death lawsuit.
Let the lawsuits begin. Oh, and also the tax-exempt status, WRT electioneering.
Go for it.
Yup, smells like treason to meBut then, treason has been a core value of the LDS tradition since the days of Joseph Smith.
there is the matter of the Mountain Meadows massacreSept. 11, 1857, no less.
It is treason and its legality was decidedat Appomatax Court House, Va., in 1865, as being illegal.
Mountain MeadowsBrevet Major (Captain) James Carleton, the commanding officer of Company K 1st US Dragoons from Fort Tejon, in 1859, had his men after recovering a large amount of the victim’s remains built the original Rock Cairn with a Christian cross.
“The crude monument, conical in form and fifty feet in circumference at the base and twelve feet in height. This is surmounted by a cross, hewn from red cedar wood, from the ground to the top of the cross is twenty-four feet. On the transverse part of the cross, facing towards the north, is an inscription carved deeply in the wood:
“VENGEANCE IS MINE: I WILL REPAY SAITH THE LORD .”
The original Rock Cairn and Cross were desecrated by Brigham Young on May 25, 1861 as recorded in church historian and forth President of the CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, Wilford Woodruffs diary. The Tyrannical Prophet Brigham Young stated at the time of the desecration; “Vengeance is mine and I have had a little.” The Rock Cairn was leveled to the ground.
Within months of the massacre Brigham Young was seen driving one of the fancy hand carved wagons, looted from the Mountain Meadows butchery, on the streets of Salt Lake City .
Heh-his name is “Packer”It should be “cotton-headed ninny-muggins” though. Bite me, Boyd.
You’ve got the wrong guyThe above quote about destroying the government is from Orson Scott Card. He is a private Mormon science fiction writer, not a church authority of any official kind – though he did take the “Mormon” spot in the NOM leadership when it was vacated by Matthew Holland, son of LDS apostle Jeffrey R. Holland.
Boyd K. Packer is the President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles in the LDS (Mormon) church. He says anti-gay things too, but he didn’t say that.
They’re both creeps, but let’s get the attributions correct so that we can keep our own credibility up and folks will feel assured that they can trust our information.