Here we go again…hardly breaking news, but just more reinforcement from the decrepit head of the LDS. Boyd K. Packer, president of the church’s Quorum of Twelve Apostles:
“There are those today who not only tolerate but advocate voting to change laws that would legalize immorality, as if a vote would somehow alter the designs of God’s laws and nature.”
I’m wondering why this lesson was worth repeating. Does the Mormon hierarchy feel under pressure?
Packer, speaking from his seat because of his frail health, addressed more than 20,000 members gathered in the LDS Conference Center in downtown Salt Lake City and millions more watching the faith’s 180th Semiannual General Conference via satellite.The senior apostle drew on the church’s 1995 declaration, “The Family: A Alluding to the Utah-based church’s support of laws such as California’s Proposition 8 that would define marriage as exclusively between a man and a woman, Packer said, “Regardless of the opposition, we are determined to stay on course.”
Laura Compton, who directs Mormons4Marriage, a group of Latter-day Saints who opposed Proposition 8 and support marriage equality in California and elsewhere, was troubled by Packer’s sermon.
“So many Mormons have worked hard to increase understanding of what homosexuality is and what it means to be faithful,” Compton said in a phone interview from her California home. “Now we have this [anti-gay] message coming from the pulpit in General Conference by the president of the Quorum of the Twelve. It seems like hitting a brick wall. Hopefully, this won’t make people stop and say, ‘It wasn’t worth it.’




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This is the Church that Said Black People remain slaves after death?That slaughtered a wagon train or two?
That drove out the Irish who first settled Utah?
That created a new teaching and myth to justify slaughtering a Native American tribe?
That church, right?
The reason they offeredfor slaughtering the members of California-bound wagon trains was that a good many Mormon women were fed up with being breeding stock for the patriarchy and were leaving on the passing wagons. This ran counter to the will of God or something, so like Joshua they massacred the people who were interfering with their promised land. Wonderful church.
The evidence is incomplete and therefore inconclusive, but a number of historians find credible the assertion that Brigham Young himself, “prophet” and antecedent of Boyd Packer, personally ordered the Mountain Meadows Massacre. At the very least, he indirectly inspired it by preaching vehement sermons against “outsiders”; even some Mormon historians acknowledge this. Packer is evidently determined to carry on the tradition.
The only reason the Mormons haven’t outdone the Catholics in sheer swinishness is that they haven’t been around nearly as long.
Boyd can just get f*ckedI am so tired of that man. He has been f*cking around with the lives of people I know and love for decades now. As I told my boyfriend tonight, I have had the long knives out for him since the mid-1980s. One of my friends endured a months-long inquisition at Boyd’s command and STILL ended up losing his job. (He got revenge; he’s corrupting the youth of Zion at another university.)
Every GLBTQ child that commits suicide, I’m laying at Boyd Packer’s feet. He’s adding to the poison in the air by opening his mouth and flapping his tongue with all of his SHIT. He deserves it. Dammit. I hate this crap.
Why are they ignoringJesus’ edict to keep church and state separate?
Packer’s statements against usOh my dears, there is much, much more where that came from.
Boyd K. Packer promotes the biggest, ugliest lie of them all. In sermon “To the One,” found in his book “Teach Ye Diligently,” among other places, he scoffs at the idea that some people claim to actually LOVE someone of the same gender. His response:
“It is not love. It cannot be love. It is lust.”
That whole sermon is about how you can’t be gay because there’s no such thing, only your own confusion and lack of resistance to Satan’s wiles, and assures those with ‘same-sex attraction’ as they call it, that they can be cured of The Gay if their faith is strong enough. ”To the One” was an address to Mormon college students, as he says, to the one [!] of you in this huge audience who might think you’re maybe gay.
And if their faith isn’t strong enough to de-gay them, then they have to resist sin, by remaining unloved and unloving for life. A sick, mean man, who truly believes God speaks through him to corral the rest of us mere mortals into donating 10% of our income to subsidize Packer’s power and ministry.
I dare anyoneI dare anyone to go watch the stories on the It Gets Better Project on YouTube and then claim that homosexuality is “a choice”.
Does this fool not see the irony in that statement? Homosexuality is as much a part of nature as a four leaf clover. In fact the Wikipedia entry for four leaf clover could, with very few changes, be describing homosexuality.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-leaf_clover).
But in the meantime fools like this one go on railing against nature, calling, what is evidently God’s plan, “unnatural”.
While I don’t believe in God and heaven and hell, in some ways I hope that I am wrong, because I would love to be there to see St. Peter turn away these haters and send them where they belong.
Because they’re MormonMormons believe that the leader of the church is a true prophet of God, who speaks in two way communication with God. To Mormons, the Bible is the least important scripture they have, and anything said or written by a leader of the church supersedes it. They have huge amounts of written text from church leaders over almost two centuries that’s all considered to be holy scripture. If the prophet says to interfere in government, then that’s what they consider to be the will of God.
Do you really think he believes God speaks through him?I bet he knows damn well he’s lying. The Mormon church leadership lies to their members and passes administrative decisions off as revelations from God as a routine part of doing business. Mormons are used to it. For example, every Mormon knows their sons are going to be expected to go on a mission when they reach a certain age, and yet whenever the time comes, the church sends them a letter saying that they have received a revelation from God that their son should go on a mission to some far flung place. It wasn’t a revelation, but a committee decided work assignment based on where they think they need people. Mormons all know this, and after a while, they become numb to the lying. I know quite a few Mormons, but I don’t know a one that won’t tell you in private that they know very well that it’s all just a big lie.
Packer grew up in this environment. He rose the ranks of church leadership carrying out these lies all the time as a part of making the church work. By the time he’s made it to the top position, I don’t think he would think twice about saying a leadership decision was a “revelation”. Please. He knows what he’s doing. He’s not crazy. He’s corrupt.
Exactly – Packer’s opinion is politically motivatedReferencing MauraHennessey’s comment above, isn’t this the same church that received conveniently-timed revelations from God ending polygamy (in the late 1800s, when Utah wanted to be a state) and accepting all races (in the 1970s, when BYU wanted to stay in big-time college athletics)? Does anyone seriously doubt that if and when the national zeitgeist changes to acceptance of LGBT people and equal marriage that there won’t be another revelation?
Packer would also do well to celebrate the overturning of Prop 8. You see, many of those same groups that joined with Packer and his fellow Mormons to undermine our lives are real “traditionalists” when it comes to the Constitution. As in, the First Amendment only protects the right to choose among the religions available at the Founding. That don’t include Mr. Smith’s religious fantasies. And if the people of California can take away the right to marry from a minority through a referendum, who’s to say the country as a whole couldn’t decide, through the same means, that Mormons dont’ really have First Amendment rights?
I have a Revelation for LDS, RCC and othersIf people need a Revelation to move to a better place – here it is:
There are those today who not only tolerate but advocate voting to keep laws in place that discriminate against people who are different because they are different, in violation of the principles on which the United States of America was founded, because these founding principles run counter to the immoral, prejudiced and bigoted tenets of false and evil religion, as if a popular vote would somehow alter the designs of God’s laws, natural law and our nation’s founding principles.
The amendment to the California Constitution brought about by California’s infamous Proposition 8, is an example of the chasm of evil into which LDS and Roman Catholic Church leaders, and many other Christianist and Islamist leaders, are attempting to lead their flocks, and the American nation, in the name of a God on whose behalf they cannot possibly speak.
The Good News, people, is that you do not have to remain in communion with religious leaders who are best described in Matthew 3:7, 12:34, 23:33 (and yes, most of Mt. 23!) and Luke 3:7, as a brood of vipers.
There are other religions and religious organizations out there that are not polluted by the leadership of false prophets – and the time has come for all people of good will to shun the religious organizations that preach evil mixed in with the good – and yes, most of these evildoers attempt to mask the malodorous stench of their evil teachings with a bouquet of good teachings and good deeds – but they remain only whited sepulchres nonetheless.
The Truth is that there are many paths, but not all paths lead to the top of the mountain. The LDS, Roman Catholic and other Islamist and Christianist leaders, are among those whose paths clearly fall far short of the summit.
People of faith, people who are questioning, people who are seeking, people who are yearning for a faith community, will do well to search for other paths than those as destructive and evil as those of the LDS and Roman Catholic leadership.
In agape et pacem,
Joann Prinzivalli
Serva Servarum Deae
Aside, perhaps, from the first one, every one of their “prophets” have been con artists.You can’t be crazy and successfully run a global corporation. The founding lunatic probably believed the insanity he spewed, and maybe, just maybe one or two after him believed it a little bit. But after the initial mania wore off and the original charismatic crazy was dead? No. Belief is for the sheep, not for the ones in charge.
When “god” had no choice, he finally told his prophets that polygamy was bad and black people were human. When “god” has no choice again, he’ll say that LGBT people are human, too. All organized religion is evil, but how stupid do you have to be to fall for the glaringly obvious lies of the Mormons?
Religion poisons everything.
MormonsWhere’s their science? Where’s their proof.
They got nothing.
He didn’t believe it eitherI don’t think there’s any reason to believe that the founding lunatic believed it either. Mormon church founder Joseph Smith was a convicted con man. He was arrested and convicted for running what was called in his time a “money digging” scheme. The basic form of a money digging scheme is where you tell someone you know where there’s buried treasure, and if they give you some sizeable amount of money, you will tell them where it is. Then, while they’re out looking for the money, you skip out of town. Smith claimed to have a “seer stone” which was a magic stone that when he and he alone gazed into it, he could see where the treasure was buried. He later included this same scam in his account of the writing of the Book of Mormon.
The Book of Mormon was also a scam which tried to exploit a popular topic of the time. A few years before Smith published The Book of Mormon, another book came out by Ethan Smith (no relation) called “View Of The Hebrews” which was a novel. This novel was basically a story based on the supposition, what if American Indians were actually the descendants of a lost tribe of Israel? The book sold well, and captured the American fascination at a time after the separation from England where America was trying to find its own identity and some basis for feeling unique as a nation. Joseph Smith saw a chance to capitalize on this populist buzz and wrote The Book of Mormon, which tells basically the same story found in View Of The Hebrews. There’s little evidence of word for word plagiarism, but he stole the storyline outright.
What Joseph Smith did was kind of like if someone a few years ago came out with what they claimed was divine truth of the basic storyline of “The De Vinci Code” at the height of its popularity. The De Vinci Code was a novel based loosely on the true story of a fraud, and despite the fact that it was a fiction based on a lie, there were people at the time who wanted to believe it. That was the same sort of environment in which Smith created Mormonism. He was a skilled conman who could recognize an exploitable opportunity. He knew what he was doing.
panic
They won a temporary battle (in CA), but they’re losing the war. They can see the writing on the wall.