He certainly has the right to do this, but Terry Jones, the pastor of Dove World Outreach Church in Gainesville, Florida, is going to burn the holy book of Islam on the anniversary of the September 11th attacks.
This is in spite of a plea by General Petraeus for Jones to think twice about the political impact of the visuals of the burning in Moslem countries. (CNN):
“It could endanger troops and it could endanger the overall effort in Afghanistan,” Petraeus said in a statement issued Monday.With about 120,000 U.S. and NATO-led troops still battling al Qaeda and its allies in the Islamic fundamentalist Taliban movement, Petraeus warned that burning Qurans “is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses and could cause significant problems — not just here, but everywhere in the world we are engaged with the Islamic community.”
Petraeus said he was concerned by the political repercussions of the church’s plan.“Even the rumor that it might take place has sparked demonstrations such as the one that took place in Kabul yesterday,” he said. “Were the actual burning to take place, the safety of our soldiers and civilians would be put in jeopardy and accomplishment of the mission would be made more difficult.”
In the clip below the fold, CNN’s Kiren Chetry almost goes apoplectic in frustration over the nonsense Jones bleats.Jones has no plans to call the burning off; he claims this event should not offend moderate Muslims.
We realize that this action would indeed offend people, offend the Muslims. I am offended when they burn the flag. I am offended when they burn the Bible. But we feel that the message that we are tyring to send is much more important than people being offended.”Jones said Muslims are welcomed in the United States, if they observe the Constitution and don’t try to impose Sharia law, or Muslim law. The message, he said, is directed toward the “radical element of Islam.”
“Our message is very clear,” he said. “It is not to the moderate Muslim. Our message is not a message of hate. Our message is a message of warning to the radical element of Islam, and I think what we see right now around the globe provides exactly what we’re talking about,” he said.
…”We need to speak up against sin and call the people to repentance. Abortion is murder. Homosexuality is sin. We need to call these things what they are and bring the world the true message: that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life,” it says on the church’s website.



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HypocriteHe says he doesn’t want Sharia law inflicted on America, but then he says he has no problem with the “Christian” equivalent.
Wouldn’t it be a shame……if this parasite’s church burned down? (gets out the marshmallows…)
When Dr? Jones says,“I think we are dealing with an element you cannot talk to…”, is he talking about himself? What a belligerent fool. Who’s to protect us from the christian extremists among us? Folks who wrap themselves up in any religion are the most dangerous people on the planet.
basically, we’re looking at the consequences of hate speechand hate speech is something the GLBT community has been on the receiving end of for a long, long time. but we’re not a community that’s retaliated with violence. it’s interesting that a sad few in this country seem to care about the rights of muslims and the violence and degredation that is inflicted upon them as the result of american hate speech, but the fact that retaliation might (and probably will) occur as a result of it is raising hairs.
i think it’s past time that the media and our politicians started addressing hate speech as a serious offense, perhaps even worthy of punishment.
I would not be surprised if there were Bible burnings in Iraq and AfghanistanThey will finally have something they can do with the Bibles that the Talibangelicals in the US military have been handing out for years.
How do you suggest we do this? think it’s past time that the media and our politicians started addressing hate speech as a serious offense, perhaps even worthy of punishment.
What is your proposal for curtailing the First Amendment without infringing on your own right to call Christianist bigots “Christianist bigots”?
This guy is clearly mentally ill.Can’t he be forcibly committed on September 10th, as a danger to himself and others, so we don’t have a bunch of 18 and 19 year old Americans killed just to satisfy his insane need for attention?. If this nut is allowed to do this on September 11, by October 11 he’ll have a lot of blood on his hands. Is he planning on attending the funerals he’ll be creating?
“bigotry” is not a term one uses to demonize a group of peopleit is a term used to define beliefs. a christian pastor burning qurans to expose the “threat” of another religion is a christianist bigot. it doesn’t mean that all christians are bigots, does it? maybe we haven’t give much of a shit about the effect that hate speech has on minorities in this country, but suddenly we sure as hell care because it might result in retaliation for everyone else.
numerous other, more progressive countries have adopted hate speech restrictions in order to preserve the safety of its citizens. we should follow their example.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H…
I can’t agreeI’m too much of a believer in Free Speech.
On the other hand, this would be giving Aid, if not comfort, to the Enemy. So yes, he’s contemplating an act of treason. And that is what it should be treated as, as should every other act that will endanger the lives of military personnel.
Now you see why hate crimes laws are necessary..Hate thoughts lead to hate speech which leads to hate attacks
Again: What is your proposal for curtailing the First Amendment?The Supreme Court has ruled that, until and unless speech leads DIRECTLY to IMMINENT threat of bodily harm, even hate speech is protected. So how would you alter the First Amendment to allow what you want?
just an FYIThis guy was arrested for downloading child porn onto his computer.
My son is deployed in Afghanistanand this man is increasing the chances of my son and his men being wounded or killed simply because he needs headlines.
…and this is Christianity…
From FireDogLake:Update From Gainesville: Jones-Child Porn Rumor False, Partial Loss of Tax Exempt Status True
And not only thatJones isn’t the only one who’s being incredibly disingenuous about this. Petraeus is too.
For one thing, it is the mere presence of our invading/occupying forces in Iraq and Afghanistan that inflames the populations against us. What Jones is doing may fan the flames a bit, but his religio-hate orgy is a minor sideshow to the incredible (and I would say justifiable) resentment of the US in the Muslim world.
For another, Petraeus and his fellow generals at the Pentagon are doing everything they can to maintain their own little version of sharia law, DADT.
I can’t imagine that the Pentagon is anything but tickled pink at this distraction from their own villainy.
Best response I’ve seen to this yetLanguage is NSFW.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…
Stop the crazy jihad crap
If they were smart – they would hold a burn the Bible day at the same time.
There has to be a way, Tech.And it wouldn’t necessarily do harm to the Bill of Rights.
We already have laws curtailing free speech. Libel/slander laws, for instance. And it is already a crime to incite violence or criminal activity. And of course there’s the old chestnut about yelling “Fire!” in a theater. All it would take is a recognition that hate speech is inflammatory and could lead to serious harm, just exactly in that same way. And of course there are always the courts to ensure that the law is not applied in an arbitrary, partisan or capricious manner.
Several European nations have banned hate speech, and except for the haters themselves no one seems to think their liberties have been encroached on. Surely we can find a way somehow to do what they have done. It would be one more step on the road to civilization for a society that has always had precious little of it.
a counter-protest?how will he react if there were to be a counter-protest by a group burning bibles?
All churchesdeserve to lose tax-exempt status.
find a way that doesn’t raise speechSee, e.g, R.A.V. v. City of St. Paul, 505 U.S. 377 (1992), a cross-burning case. The majority ruled that the city couldn’t criminalize this form of expression as such, but that if content-neutral ordinances apply, they hinted that that would work. (The restriction of speech comes under the whole “time, place and manner” case law of very long standing, and is difficult to craft an ordinance outside of that). So, look for a neutral enforcement: if this loon is in violation of fire ordinances, and the local fire department didn’t give him the required permission for an outdoor fire, and the local officials may, or should, bring an injunction as a public safety measure.
(There’s also the matter of this church’s previous electioneering in violation of 501(c)(3) tax exemption, and the Feds can see about an audit).