Kerry Eleveld landed an interview with the freshly self-outed former head of the RNC and Bush 2004 campaign Ken Mehlman and she gets down to brass tacks about his personal life in the closet and his professional participation in the fight to socially demonize and legally demean LGBTs. I’ll share a couple of questions; it’s a lengthy interview worth the click.
There’s a lot of gays and lesbians and other people who are still angry about the 2004 election and the fact that that those 11 amendments were on the ballot. Is there anything that you would like to say about that in particular?
Look, I have a lot of friends who ask questions and who are angry about it. I understand that folks are angry, I don’t know that you can change the past. As I’ve said, one thing I regret a lot is the fact that I wasn’t in the position I am today where I was comfortable with this part of my life, where I was able to be an advocate against that [strategy] and able to be someone who argued against it. I can’t change that – it is something I wish I could and I can only try to be helpful in the future.But I understand the anger and I talk to friends about it – it’s something that I hear from a number of friends.
As the strategy developed, did it ever make you uncomfortable?
Yes.There were a lot of people, including people that supported the [Federal Marriage Amendment], for example, that worried about this being divisive.
I obviously found it particularly challenging to deal with and, because I wasn’t in the place I am today where I’m comfortable with this part of my life, it was really hard and it was particularly hard because there was really nobody who knew this about me and so there was no one I could even talk to about it. So it was a period that I’m very glad is over.
It’s not clear to me that he realizes the depth of destruction he caused in 2004 that we are now fighting back from.
Kerry also asks Mehlman about his general gay conservative philosophy (the “not a single issue” matter), and the direction of the GOP.
I think like a lot of people, there are a lot issues that are important to me – free enterprise and lower taxes and less regulation, a strong national defense, education reform, immigration reform – these are all things that are important to me. [Marriage equality] is also an issue that’s important to me, but I’m someone that tries to find the totality of the issues and support candidates based on the totality of the issues.…And from the perspective of, what I care the most about, first, and second of all, someone who’s trying to build support in the party for these issues – or at least discourage opposition – I think that’s a good thing.
That was an unsurprising answer. He — and we — have to reckon with a slice of the LGBT population that may in fact weigh party over equality in their support for candidates in some cases. How do we handle that reality? As we noted yesterday, Mehlman still opened his wallet this year for anti-gay pols. The natural follow up to Kerry’s question is whether he would change his mind in the future and weigh equality issues with more importance when an virulently anti-gay pol comes knocking for dough. Only time will tell.
For another take on this, I point you to Steven Petrow, the past president of the National Lesbian & Gay Journalists Association, who has a piece up at Huff Po, “In Defense of Ken Mehlman: Former GOP Chair is no Roy Cohn.” An excerpt is below the fold, as well as my thoughts.
It’s hardly ever easy for any of us to take those steps, especially because of the contributions of people like Mehlman to the anti-gay chorus of the previous decade. But Mehlman had to know that his coming out would be front page news and fuel the cable news cycle for what I’m sure will be days. To say that his coming out is harder than most is not true, but it certainly is more public and he is certainly being more vilified than any other gay person who has come out in recent times.What disturbs me most thought is the rage being unleashed by some members of the LGBT community against him. One blogger called him “a piece of human garbage. Another says he is “so digging [the] rage over this vile POS. Keep it up!” he implores. For a community that well knows the power and danger of hate and it’s connection to violence, how can we condone this kind of “discourse”? We can’t. We don’t need to support him. We don’t need to forgive him. But we do need to have some empathy and understanding of the closet he has just left. It’s a closet every LGBT person knows all too well.
I understand the rage, but I also can find the empathy in this story. My initial reaction was more of amusement at first (his poorly kept secret), then anger at his ability to coast out of the closet on the backs of the work of people he worked to oppress now that the Prop 8 ruling has cleared the way for him. I think had my moment of cynicism of course, speculating that Mehlman had to come out, given the AFER fundraiser, so the timing made this “debut” was just as political as any other act he’s participated in.
But as I’m not prone to holding on to rage for long (ask my wife; I don’t really “rage”, I quickly go into problem solving mode), I finally settled into a more pragmatic position of “what comes next” because I’ve long discussed here about the need for both parties to court the LGBT vote. That’s the reality when you see how spineless and pickpockety the Dems have become, thinking there was no where else for us to go. This is not to say the GOP is now welcoming with open arms, but that time is not far away.
So I understand the rage that is expressed in the wake of the news, but if Mehlman is to atone, we have to ask ourselves what is the marker for him to get a passing grade when you cannot change what has transpired? What will constitute falling short of that? He’s not going to become a progressive, nor should expect that.
We are eventually going to have to agree to disagree with members of our community as individuals when it comes to policy that may or may not intersect with equality issues from different places on the political spectrum. I find it a fascinating area to contemplate as the long view.
The caveat: we’re not there yet. We need full equality now. There is much to be done, and we need to have begin that dialogue about the political gulf now — and continue it even after full equality is reached.
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Here are other random thoughts after my last post.
On finding out Mehlman’s and AFER’s position on ENDA: If we are to extend the libertarian conservative line of thinking shown by counsel Ted Olsen regarding marriage, it’s not a given that Mehlman or Olsen would necessarily support ENDA. On the other hand, they could align with the constitutional notion that discrimination is wrong. But asking the question in my mind is necessary.
On holding the media accountable for its role in shielding Mehlman. As the whitewashing of Ken Mehlman’s past professional role in the oppression of LGBTs begins (do they think our memories are that short?), this is relevant. It is as important as the political nightmare Mehlman perpetrated back in the day, because it could have been stopped if the MSM didn’t have the homophobic notion that 1) being gay and hypocritically hurting the LGBT movement is not a story and 2) believing that reporting on someone’s sexual orientation is wrong ONLY if you are LGBT.
It’s assumed in the MSM that one is heterosexual — and that is never off the table when wives and children are routinely brought up in reporting. The result is that one is left with the impression that there is something unseemly about being gay. If exposed, Mehlman would likely not have been able to be the architect of a political war that resulted in 11 state amendments passing in 2004 and fomenting rank bigotry that hurt so many.
And there’s no one I know who believes that Mehlman just came to the realization that he was gay. That whopper was not even worth telling in the PR story that rolled out.




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UckHe really needs someone to whack him upside the head on his phrasing.
Q: “Lots of people are outraged and enraged about the deep personal damage your actions have caused them, their families and their loved ones, including their health, their parental status, their finances, and in some cases death. Is there anything you regret about what you’ve done?”
A: “Yes, I regret that I was in the closet and it was so hard for me to deal with. Now that it’s easier for me, I hope everyone will understand and move on.”
Come ON dude, you have got to at least acknowledge that you actually hurt real people, and that the rage toward you isn’t about how hard it was for you.
But Pam, I agree with you. We can’t keep playing at the idea that people are either angels or demons. If Mehlman wants to throw his efforts, and his Rolodex, and his knowledge of what bodies are buried where, behind marriage equality, then that is wonderful. And if at the same time he wants to fight against ENDA or some non-gay issue, then as far as that goes, he’s wrong.
It’s not all ad hominem, and that good people do (only) good things, while bad people (only) do bad things. Dick Cheney seems to be right on marriage equality. I can applaud that while condemning just about everything else he stands for, and if he and his family want to contribute to the cause, wonderful. I’d accept his money, and politely decline any offers for personal appearances, unless they are pretty well scripted, like a PSA ad.
The right is going to spin this as all hypocrisy by gays – “what, see, they are attacking him for being gay!” but the media has to not keep giving that BS a pass.
He needs to take full responsibility for his actions.
I’m not sure I believe the same thing Kerry believes – that Mehlman doesn’t realize the depth of the destructiveness he’s perpetrated against our community. I think he doesn’t want to acknowledge it. But taking full responsibility for it and apologizing has to be the first step if he’s to be forgiven.
This mealy-mouthed “I can’t change the past” line is evasive crap. We know you can’t. But you can acknowledge just how horrible your actions were and that you did terrible, terrible things to people just like you in order to advance your career. And then you can apologize. And then begin working to atone.
Unless we get that full acknowledgment, I’ll never forgive him. To do horrible things and then think you can just wash your hands of them is really scummy.
to sum it up in one word…Quisling
Well…now is the time to demand…his advocacy.
Hold his feet to the fire.
Worst Interview EverSorry, but Eleveld completely missed the mark. One only has to surf over to Joe Jervis’ blog to see the number of times Mehlman stood up for gay-baiting demonizing politics, the outrageous mailings that went out under his “leadership” on both King George II’s 2004 campaign and during the 2006 elections (when Kenny-boy proved his complete incompetence).
Never mind whether Kenny-boy was “uncomfortable” with the anti-gay strategy. I want to know exactly which parts of that strategy he approved; I want to know exactly how he justifies financially supporting a hypocrite like John McCain (who, btw, has an openly gay campaign manager himself); I want to know exactly what was going on with Jeff/Jim Gannon/Guckert in the White House.
What’s the marker that Mehlman has reformed? How about not obfuscating about how deeply in the closet he was – I don’t buy this “I just figured this out” crap; he had a partner in 2006, for crying out loud.
I am thrilled that Mehlman’s long-delayed acknowledgement of the truth will blow some wingnut minds and perhaps move some GOPers away from the most egregious forms of political gay-bashing, but that neither changes what he did or lays a foundation for his forgiveness. One of the hallmarks of any civil rights movement is that we should be judged based on our individual skills, abilities and actions. I judge Kenny quite harshly, gay or not.
Forgive????? I suppose we all should move on. However, how about all those gays in the 11 states that have enshrined in their state constitutions marriage inequality? He feels their pain, I am sure, but we have heard that before. I just do not think he deserves a pass on his actions.
The ragewhether it exists or not, is irrelevant. And the past isn’t all too important. Which unsurprisingly, is why his defenders are focusing on it.
Maybe his defenders should focus on his positions on these issues:
ENDA, DOMA, DADT, the support of various American Christian groups, including ones linked to the Republicans, for Ugandan “kill the gays” laws.
Eleveld’s interview is utterly pathetic. Lots of softball soft focus uestions, avoiding all the important issues, little challenging of him.
The limitation…… with the “not a single issue” type of explanation is that it ignores a simple, basic reality in favor of looking not outside one’s self, but internally.
It is an assimilationist viewpoint, and is derived from the idea that those broader issues are not LGBT issues.
To which, I would suggest to Kerry (who’s pretty cool) to do a follow up with him and ask him the harder questions on that topic.
Immigration is an LGBT issue. National Security is an LGBT issue. Free enterprise and lower taxes and less regulation, a strong national defense, education reform — all of these things are LGBT issues because all of those thing affect LGBT people disproportionately.
LGBT people have a harder time engaging in free enterprise because of inherent bias that he helped to further and provided funding to foment. LGBT people are taxed at a higher rate because of the efforts he worked on behalf of. National defense is weakened because LGBT people are considered a risk category and thereby denied access to positions even when they are qualified (Arabic translators, Col. Schorr, anyone?). Educational reform is critical, especially given situations like Texas where people are actively trying to erase from history the people who thought up the ideals by that conservatives should be expected to be, well, conservative about.
I’ll avoid going into depth on immigration, which has become a pet thing of mine.
I’m personally very big on all of those things. I have been my entire life. I’m also fairly conservative still, despite my party label. The basis for all of it, for me, is, I’m pretty damned sure, the same basis he uses.
So I’m sorry if this is going to upset people, but that not a single issue voter thing is absolute hogwash. It would be far better and much more honest to say it’s a matter of rubbing hands and washing backs, that the money and the efforts were not about such things, and that it was really about securing his own personal influence and prestige among a group of people that he happens to like.
Even though they wouldn’t have liked him very much had he been “…in the position I am today where I was comfortable with this part of my life…” back then.
Moving on is going to happen no matter what. What he’s asking isn’t for people to move on. It’s for people to gloss over, to pass over, to recognize that he was driven by his own fears, insecurities, and privilege and then simply not talk about it anymore, even though for damn near a decade and a half, he was instrumental in keeping us from being able to truly move on past such things because the only day we will be able to do such things is the day that we all recognize the reality that all of it is, indeed, an LGBT issue, and therefore it’s all a single issue:
what’s best for the nation and ALL its citizens.
Disproportionate Effect“Immigration is an LGBT issue. National Security is an LGBT issue. Free enterprise and lower taxes and less regulation, a strong national defense, education reform — all of these things are LGBT issues because all of those thing affect LGBT people disproportionately.”
This point is well taken. Alas, none of these issues actually affect Ken Mehlman disproportionately, so he’s not going to care about them at all. He cares about marriage because it could conceivably affect him some day.
Mehlman is rich, he’s white, and he’s got a lot of powerful friends. He can afford to be “not a single issue voter.”
Of course he can’t change the past.No one is suggesting that that’s possible in any way at all. The question is: how much will he do to change the future? How fully dedicated will he be to progressive change for our community? There’s plenty of room for skepticism, given his quisling history.
We can’t judge him the same way we would judge any ordinary person coming out. A lot of us have said or even done terribly anti-LGBT things when we were closeted, and we have made what amends we can. What Mehlman did was much, much worse than what any of the rest of us could possibly have done. You don’t render the same judgment on a guy who drops the atomic bomb as you do on a guy who shoots off a cap pistol.
Reality trumps self-serving rhetoric
This says more about him than anything.
Mehlman, find yourself another species to be part of.
“I wasn’t in the position I am today”I keep wondering how that self-exculpatory statement is supposed to be an apology, or even an explanation of anything.
Mehlman was closeted and not comfortable with his gayness. Let’s assume that’s true. All well and good. The question is: How does that excuse his actions? In any way at all? There are plenty of closeted people (I know some) who don’t go around tearing down the rights and dignity of other gay people, much less do it for a living. In fact, they are quietly supportive, to the extent their closetedness permits. And there are plenty of straight people, people who don’t have to struggle with their sexuality at all, who recognize the unconscionable inequality Mehlman and his colleagues inflicted on our community.
Being closeted is no excuse for doing something evil. Nothing Mehlman says has changed by low opinion of him in any way.
And as for Eleveld, she should be deeply ashamed to have conducted such a lame, sycophantic interview.
To any interest MARC AMBINDER is onlin right now taking questions.
Mary Cheney is out and no betterThat is what seems to be lost in the discussion about Kenny-boy. I don’t care if he is out or closeted, when you conduct the kind of vicious and false smear campaigns that Cheney and Mehlman both did, you simply lose the chance to ever be forgiven.
I haven’t heard one single word about DADT here folks!!!!
shut up. Just SHUT UPYou stood by and allowed people’s lives to be ruined because you were “uncomfortable” with your sexuality. You are a hypocrite, self-loathing piece of shit. No one wants to hear your amends. Just go back in your closet and shut the fuck up.
…and here is Pam’s question and his answer..
So no answer. Well I certainly agree this must be a very CHANGEable time of life for him. We’ll see how he like BEING a second-class GOP citizen. May not have too much trouble cloaked by his $$$$ and Gay Inc.
Case in pointThere’s an excellent example of someone who was in an analogous position to Ken Mehlman and has, arguably, acquitted himself.
David Brock.
David Brock was one of the sleazier members of the Fox-tilting end of the MSM, lending his efforts to (among many other things) the smear campaigns against Anita Hill and Hillary Clinton.
Then he came out as gay, AND had the decency to realize, and admit, the damage he’d done. Since then, he’s devoted his efforts to undoing some of the damage he did as a right-wing propagandist, in no small part by using his investigatory journalism talents to shine a light on the whole “mighty Wurlitzer” right-wing media operation he was a part of.
As far as I’m concerned, Brock has made up for his past misdeeds. If Mehlman wants to do the same, then good for him. But from everything I’ve seen so far, Mehlman isn’t interested in abandoning any of his anti-gay cohorts, undoing any of the anti-gay initiatives he helped create, or even particularly admit there was anything wrong about what he did.
From what I can tell, Mehlman wants to keep all the same positions, allies, and activites going on – he just wants to be able to stop hiding his boyfriend at parties. I see no reason why we, as a community, should make that any easier for him.
As someone said above, our GLBT community’s rage may be what the media is focusing on, but in the end it’s irrelevant. We’re all still out here on the outside, and Ken Mehlman is still a rich and super-well-connected insider with all the money and power he can grab for himself. I can wrestle with the personal morality of allowing vs. denying him forgiveness, but seriously – I don’t think my moral disapproval, or even my outright scorn and hatred if I decide to go there, is going to cause Mehlman to lose a minute of sleep at night in his fancy Chelsea condo. If he had a conscience, he wouldn’t have done all that shit to begin with.
What amends?He still supports anti-gay candidates.
That’s not changing your behavior.
It’s barely, just barely, an “oops, my bad, I’m sorry.”
Well.
And as my mother would say, “Yeah, you are a trifling, sorry ass…”
Can we at least get an “I’m sorry….or I regret”? for his part in harming the lives of so many LGBT citizens? Looks like not. And it’s not just harm as in past tense…i mean how long will it take to repeal not just those 11 antigay civil rights amendments while he was in cahoots with the Bush Repugs but the additional 19 or so amendments that are on the books. As far as I’m concerned, Mehlman has a deep hole to crawl out of. He is not someone I would look to for leadership. Not someone I want speaking for me.
This isn’t rage. This is ‘this is not a good guy’. Beware.
What a sad man….. This comment hit’s the nail on the head…..
“It would be far better and much more honest to say it’s a matter of rubbing hands and washing backs, that the money and the efforts were not about such things, and that it was really about securing his own personal influence and prestige among a group of people that he happens to like.”
Maybe he will help open the closet for other sad souls who have spent their careers trying to destroy our community. Tony Perkins anyone?
And isn’t it really interestingthat instead of coming out through Log Cabin or at GOProud’s upcoming confab, he chose to do it in the liberal Atlantic and now in the Advocate? The guy can’t even come out without trying to work both sides of the street.
What a pathetic manHe only just figured out he was gay? What happened? He got hard watching the season finale of “Glee”? Or maybe seeing Augie shirtless on “Covert Affairs” did him in….
That’s not now people operate inside. A switch didn’t suddenly go off, he’s just decided to be public now. He’s lied to himself, suppressed his true sexual identity, and much much worse, in an attempt to run away from who he was, he’s harmed the LGBT community and helped spread hate.
He has minimal understanding of himself if he thinks the GOP is a good place to be or even a good place. He chose a restrictive, hate-filled party to identify with in the hopes he could camouflage himself and who he really was. For whatever reasons, the masquerade has collapsed. But it doesn’t change the profound harm he and his party have caused.
He’s for education reform? Don’t make me laugh, Mr. Mehlman! How about educating yourself as to what those of us who aren’t as privileged as you are have to live with every day? How about educating yourself by a trip to every single state where gay marriage is verboten and interviewing people who suffer daily the effects of the hate you helped unleash on them? How about then traveling to the ten sane nations in the world, all of them with different cultures and histories, where gay people are seen as equal? That would be education reform.
I think it’s a calculated pivot by RepublicansMehlman is still a political strategist and I think his coming out is part of a larger action by the Republican leadership to move away from homophobia as an organizing strategy.
Face it, given recent polling, the days are coming to an end when homophobia will bring in reliable dollars and votes to the Republican Party. Notice the massive upswing in anti-Islamic rhetoric from conservatives? It’s peeling off scared moderates and independents to support Republicans in the same way teh gay did a decade ago.
In the cause of shameless self-promotion, here’s the diary I just wrote that among other things, addresses this particular subject. http://www.pamshouseblend.com/…
ha, I wonderCould be he’s sincere. Could also be that as attitudes hardened in the GOP even a closet case would not be welcome. If it was no secret to us he was … that way, it was no secret to the homophobes. They keep track. Mehlman might’ve jumped before he was pushed overboard.
Still, let’s see if can work his way back into respectability, maybe by undoing some of the damage. A full-throated renunciation of what got passed might help. But it’ll take a while, and in the meantime let’s keep a healthy skepticism.
NEW YORK: please protest him OUT of Chelsea!This asshat needs to be ostracized from NYC so he is not in the midst of GAY Chelsea.
He deserves to be shunned out!
No, he got tired of having to pay for sexPaging “Jeff Gannon”!
Well for starters,he still hasn’t stopped helping anti-gay candidates.
Maybe.Maybe some right winger, who feels as if he has been betrayed by a sodomite, will assassinate him.
Once that happens, Fox News might find it useful to report on Mehlman.
¡BINGO!I think this is on target; Mehlman doesn’t do anything without calculation.