So, you have a problem. You set up a poll and then it got freeped.
Now, it seems rather than supporting your position, it’s thorough repudiation of your position. So what do you do? Maybe rethink your position, consider there are other perspectives? That you might be wrong?
Not if you’re the whacko religious right. If you’re one of them, you just rewrite the questions afterward to support the conclusion you hoped you’d get. (And doubtless declare “the people have spoken!”)
That’s the scam The American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property tried to run yesterday. They posted a internet poll on the Prop 8 decision, and it attracted LGBT attention. Like this diary from homogenius at the Daily Kos, (H/T) who urged people to freep the poll.
Looks like it worked. Because at Monday at 6 pm, the poll looked like this:
What do you think about Judge Walker’s decision to overturn Prop. 8 banning same-sex “marriage” in California?
I support the decision.
84.5%
It is an irrational decision denying the nature and purpose of marriage.
9.2%
It was a slap in the face of California voters.
4.3%
It did not surprise me.
1.4%
Democracy does not apply in these cases.
0.5%
Undecided.
0%
Big fail for them to solicit data to support their talking points, 84.5% of voters supported Judge Walker’s finding that denying same-sex couples the right to marry was unconstitutional.
But wait, by Monday at 7 pm, the poll looked like this:
What do you think about Judge Walker’s decision to overturn Prop. 8 banning same-sex “marriage” in California?
It is an irrational decision denying the nature and purpose of marriage.
84.5%
Undecided.
8.8%
It was a slap in the face of California voters.
4.2%
It did not surprise me.
1.6%
Democracy does not apply in these cases.
0.9%
Suddenly, 84.5% of voters consider his decision “irrational!”
The American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property describes itself as thus:
The American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property (TFP) is an organization of lay Catholic Americans concerned about the moral crisis shaking the remnants of Christian civilization. Its origins date back to January 1971, when the first TFP members started to group around the publication Crusade for a Christian Civilization. Today, with over 120,000 active members, volunteers and donors, the TFP is on the front lines of the Culture War, peacefully defending the values of tradition, family and private ownership.
If you want to looking into “moral crisis,” in America, you might look into yourselves, TFP.
I’m always curious how these Godly organizations justify, in their own minds, the ends runs they’re always making around the Ninth Commandment.
My momma may have raised a homo, but she raised me right. I don’t cheat and lie.
Now, it appears they’ve had a change of heart, and the poll has reverted to a more gay-friendly version. I wouldn’t expect to see them touting these stats anytime soon.
Thanks to Daily Kos’ Homogenius for the alert, and Frugal Granny for the screep caps.





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FamiliararityIf I remember right, these are the whack jobs that run around wearing the red sashes and one of them was featured in a NOM video Alvin had posted over at Holy Bullies.
In FRIGGIN credibleLovin FrugalGranny for getting the screep caps!
Looks like a SCARY RW GroupA mini version of Marriage Tour in NY State during past month: http://www.tfp.org/tfp-home/ma…
I can’t believe it didn’t occurto them that someone might preserve all variations of the poll.
Oh My…Lying comes so easy to these people.
Oh My…Lying comes so easy to these people.
Manipulation of dataIs the only way these people work. Then they cite that sham data as “scientific evidence”. They aren’t the first to do this and it’s a huge problem that plagues them. That’s why there isn’t a single mainstream scientific organization that supports them and why they suck at telling facts in court.
Yup!They’re posted here and on the Porp 8 Trial Tracker website, too.
I wonder who’s Mr. Congeniality and who won the talent competition?
AhhhBut remember, Art… they’re under the delusion they’re exempt from the Eighth Commandment (9th for Catholics) because they believe of their superior faith!
Yep. Lying liars of lies.Was that one just by reflex or what? :)
This is not the first time I’ve seen this scamIt has been happening a lot lately. The “thinking” seems to be, “The poll has been compromised; OBVIOUSLY every right thinking person agrees with our position. So we have to put things right. We aren’t lying when we do this, we are simply correcting the bias.”
Everyone needs a hobbyEven theocratic Talibangelicals.
“Democracy does not apply in these cases.”To me, this may as well read “Individual liberties do not apply in these cases and should not be protected”…
…though I’m quite certain that’s not how they view a democracy or intended the question to come across.
TFP is a collection of faux-aristocratic Christian monarchistsand is starkly authoritarian and anti-democratic.
And they are not even real aristocrats….
just american wanna-bees.
Sort of like von Ribbentropp.
ME Hennessey
(family connections:
Wittlesbach
Hohenzollern
Hapsburg
The Ducs de Magenta
O’Brien
Hennessy
Saxe-Coburg
Lynch-Guevera
and …sigh….Windsor)