While this is not a topic that is breaking any ground, it’s always interesting to think about how different life is like if you’re born into a Blue (socially progressive) family versus a Red (socially conservative) family.
It’s the topic of a book by Naomi Cahn and June Carbone, Red Families vs. Blue Families: Legal Polarization and the Creation of Culture. Of course there are plenty of other circumstances that affect your childhood – race, class, education, but set that aside for the time being and digest this (Alternet):
The “blue families” of our title are on one side of the cultural controversy. These families have reaped the handsome rewards available to the well-educated middle class who are able to invest in both their daughters’ and sons’ earning potential. Their children defer family formation until both partners reach emotional maturity and financial independence. Blue family champions celebrate the commitment to equality that makes companionate relationships possible and the sexual freedom that allows women to fully participate in society. Those who have embraced the blue family model have low divorce rates, relatively few teen births, and good incomes. Yet, the ability to realize the advantages of the new blue family system appears to be very much a class-based affair. Women who graduate from college are the only women in American society whose marriage rates have increased, and they and their partners form the group whose divorce rates have most appreciably declined.The terms of the successful blue family order-embrace the pill, encourage education, and accept sexuality as a matter of private choice-are a direct affront to the “red families” of our title and to social conservatives who see their families in peril. Driven by religious teachings about sin and guilt and based in communities whose social life centers around married couples with children, the red family paradigm continues to celebrate the unity of sex, marriage, and procreation. Red family champions correctly point out that the growing numbers of single-parent families threaten the well-being of the next generation, and they accurately observe that greater male fidelity and female “virtue” strengthen relationships. Yet, red regions of the country have higher teen pregnancy rates, more shotgun marriages, and lower average ages at marriage and first birth. What the red family paradigm has not acknowledged is that the changing economy has undermined the path from abstinence through courtship to marriage. As a result, abstinence into the mid-20s is unrealistic, shotgun marriages correspond with escalating divorce rates, and early marriages, whether prompted by love or necessity, often founder on the economic realities of the modern economy, which disproportionately rewards investment in higher education. Efforts to insist on a return to traditional pieties thus inevitably clash with the structure of the modern economy and produce recurring cries of moral crisis.
…The blue family model has taken hold most completely in urban areas, along the coasts, and in the increasingly Democratic areas of the country-from the Research Triangle in North Carolina to the Microsoft-dominated areas of Seattle-that have profited most from technological innovation. In contrast, red families generally, and the Republican strongholds in which they predominate, are more likely to be religious, rural, less educated, and less mobile, and the political leadership in these regions is more likely to value tradition and continuity. Geographic separation along demographic lines means that the two groups have increasingly less in common, and as the two political parties have become more ideological, these different values orientations have become increasingly partisan-making family form in the twenty-first century one of the most accurate predictors of political loyalties.
The question – what does this mean for the future, politically and economically? We’ve seen the rise of the teabaggers take hold in the deep South, where it’s pretty clear that education and economic challenges are notoriously at lower levels than other regions of the country. The labor may be cheap (as in “right to work” states), but unless a Southern region (the author mentions RTP here in NC) takes it upon itself to develop the educational and technological infrastructure to attract Blue families, a state will fail to prosper. The rural economic model is a thing of the past if growth is the focus. But NC, for instance, straddles both worlds, with both the rural and urban/suburban family models very much butting heads politically, with the balance having shifted away from the rural model over the last few decades.
What is it like in your state — is the balance of rural to suburban/urban trending the same way? Are you seeing any movement shifting toward Blue families moving in?




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Um, I live in Arizona. Phoenix. Most urban of the areas in this State. Midway between the “liberal” stronghold of Tucson and the “conservative” fiefdom of Flagstaff.
This is the place where Joe Arpaio is given power. Where a legislative representative from Mesa, Arizona — larger than Flagstaff as the third largest, and 38th largest in the nation — proposes a bill that instills racism under the guise of supporting Red Family Values.
So my answer is going to be no.
But that and other things has triggered a massive push locally to increase permanent early voting registrations on both sides of this traditionally more libertarian state.
So there’s always a chance.
Welcome to Connecticut,where people call themselves “Republican” when they really mean “Democrat but I think my tax rate should be 0%.” I know a lot of socially-progressive Republicans who, frankly, have no business being in the party of John Boehner, Eric Cantor, and Sarah Palin.
Looking at NC
NC’s blue is certainly centered around population centers.
It’s easy to see the correlation between the population density and the counties that go blue during elections. And though it isn’t on my first map, you can see county number 53 on the 2nd map that is purple to show it has more destiny, that’s where Asheville is and it of course went blue too.
Not all of NC’s blue is b/c of cities, but all the decent sized cities seem to have made their counties go blue.
Try growing up in a Red family in a Blue stateBeing raised by mormons in Massachusetts and Connecticut was a constant argument. My parents were very much of the red “family values” set, whereas all my peers and the culture around me was of the blue variety.
Here on Oahu the divides are not really geographic unless we’re talking about Waipahu, which is heavily Filipino and christian, and the mormon strongholds up in Laie and Kahuku. The other socially conservative groups can be found out in the rich areas of Hawaii Kai, where the teabaggers concentrate. Everywhere else the red vs. blue paradigm is determined by the religion, ancestral culture, and education level of the individual household. The island is too small for a rural vs. urban vs. suburban divide.
Did the described “Red Family Values” ever really exist?The doctor who delivered my grandmother (b. 1916) was heard saying, to paraphrase, “the first baby can come at any time, but the rest of them better come at nine months.”
Yeah…The article is a gross simplification and is mostly written to help rich white liberals feel better about themselves as the nation gets ready to kick them out of power. There is an underlying assumption that the troubles of the “red family” are caused by their social views and not by their economic conditions, the idea that social views simply reflect economic realities is never considered. Poverty breaks up families, with religion and social values attempting to pick up the pieces.
I have known religious conservatives whose children went to elite colleges because their parents were upper middle class professionals. As for the rosy picture of the “blue family” it is only true of wealthy suburban whites, go to the bad neighborhood in any blue city you will find communities where the concept of fatherhood does not exist.
Going to church or opposing abortion or thinking Sarah Palin is God will not break up your family. Having no money will.
NOVA kidI live in NOVA. The antithesis of red/”real” Virginia. I swear I would support secession and have Fairfax/Arlington/Alexandria/Loudon secede. Fairfax is consistently in the top 5 richest counties in the nation, and yet we are split 50-50 with maybe a hint more blue. Our public school system is one of the best in the nation, I think 90+% of kids in my HS went to (good) colleges – UVA (wahoowa!) flip flops with Berkeley for the #1 public college. More embarrassing however, is that the supercrazy (understatement, but I want to keep this forum polite) Ken Cuccinelli hails from my district… In 2006 we had the nasty Marshall Newman marriage amendment which defined marriage as one-man-one-woman in the Commonwealth – 60/40 majority passed it overall, 60/40 against in NOVA. Overall NOVA and the rest of Virginia went blue for Obama very very narrowly. I think the WaPo had an article about “purple” Virginia talking about how divided we are, and how VA has become more of a swing state than it used to be. But supposedly there is also a “rule” that VA votes against whoever is currently in the governorship for president. I think that a lot of the conservatism that supposedly should not be present in an extremely well educated and wealthy area comes from a lot of the military families/Pentagon jobs that are in the area. I guess NOVA is the epitome of the suburbs since we are the Metro/DC area and many many people work for the government. I wouldn’t call all of NOVA urban, but it certainly is not rural, it’s more like SuburbPlus.
As far as class goes, my family is not rich, at least not compared to many of my peers, but we certainly do just fine. My parents both work and have a college education and will be able to support both me and my sister almost all the way through college.
And we’re Jewish. I think that helps empathize with the oppression that any other minority faces (which is why Passover is my favorite holiday). I wouldn’t call us religious, but we do observe the holidays, and after a while my mom decided that I need to find a nice Jewish boi (and I agree).
Just an observationbut it’s interesting how you get blue = liberal and red = conservative when it’s the complete opposite here and at least some places internationally, possibly a side-effect of attempts to link liberalism / progressivism with communism and revolution.
The Average StateThat’s Illinois — we seem to be the place where it all evens out. I’m in Chicago where almost everyone else is (about 75% of the population are in the metro area), and it goes reliably blue. (Republicans do run for office here, but no one is quite sure who they are, usually.) It’s also a mix, racially, ethnically, and linguistically (I hear people speaking Chinese, Vietnamese, German, Polish, Ukrainian, that beautiful brand of English that comes from the Caribbean, and a few languages I can’t identify on the bus) not to mention the various religions. (There’s even a Discordian temple in my old neighborhood.) We have three major metro areas (Rockford and across the River from St. Louis are the other two), industry, mining, farming, services, including financial (the home of futures trading and a major banking center),and the Silicon Corridor southwest of Chicago. Our median income is above the national average. (2005 figures — with an 11.5% unemployment rate right now, I’m sure that’s changed.)
Illinois was the first state to repeal its sodomy law, but it took thirty years to get a gay-inclusive civil rights law. Our divorce rate is well below the national average, our teen pregnancy rate is average. We tend to alternate Republican and Democratic governors, but the Republicans have all been moderates — hard right social conservatives haven’t had much of a chance here since the days of Penny Pullen (1980s), who wanted to quarantine AIDS patients. She lost her next election. Alan Keyes ran against Obama for the senate (no native Republicans would run) and got about 30% of the vote, so I guess we have our share of crazies. (Point of interest — Illinois has sent three African Americans to the U.S. Senate.)
Perhaps the most significant bit of information on how blue Illinois trends is that Porno Pete couldn’t get enough valid signatures on his referendum petitions for an opposite-sex marriage amendment for two elections in a row. The second time, he didn’t even bother to submit them — he couldn’t find enough signatures at all, not even bogus ones. (And our referenda are only advisory — even if he’d gotten it on the ballot and by some fluke it passed, it would have died there.)
I don’t know — maybe I should move someplace weirder.
remember that Porno Peteis trying to recruit new Christian Warriors to join his flaccid movement. He’s the one who needs to move to Redder territory to find more people who give a damn about his fixations.
The current blue and red alignmentsonly date back to late 2000, in the long aftermath of the election when Bush stole it. The colors assigned to parties shown on the election maps on the news were assigned arbitrarily and randomly each time by different news shows and newspapers. It just happened that in 2000 the election maps were on the news every night for a couple months, and the color scheme of NBC became fixed in the national consciousness. That was when the terms red state and blue state were coined.
I think it’s better that the American color scheme has been delinked from traditional European political color codes, because, unlike the European left, the Democratic party is completely non-Marxist and in fact predates Marxism and has nothing whatever to do with it. Red is inappropriate for the Democratic Party for that reason. Rather, the hot and cool symbolism works better in the American context. The anger, violence, and hatred associated with the American right wing is hot and better represented by red, while the torpor and passivity of the Democratic party are cold and blue.
HistoryThe Union army wore blue uniforms, hence the liberal North East is associated with blue (though ironically it was the Republican Abraham Lincoln that sent us to war while the Democrats were pro-South). Red is the color of revolution, hence the Southern rebels are associated with red. Also the confederate flag is disproportionally red compared to any new or old version of US flag (or atleast it is arranged to look as such).
US ain’t unique though. In Russia the communists are reactionaries hence red is the color of the ultraconservative party.
it’s definitely a simplificationthere is a lot of purple in the world, not only geographically but within families. i grew up in flint, michigan in the 1970s with parents who were service professionals (nurse, preacher-turned-social worker) whose parents were also service workers (nurse, policeman, preacher, housewife). in other words, we looked middle class but we were of very modest means.
while all sides of my family valued education and had a social view that became more liberal with time, it would be incorrect to say that there wasn’t also a heavy dose of (bible-based ?) discomfort with sexuality, sexual orientation and other social issues. marriage and children were very important, as was church. pockets of homophobia have revealed themselves over the years in a few people in my family who appeared for years to be “all there” on equality issues. so even individuals can appear or think of themselves as “blue” but really be “purple”.
Let’s hope that no one gives himthe time of day. I saw where even Liberty University is running in the red these days and having to use its original endowment to pay the bills. Each time I hear about these types of things happening, one event at a time, it all adds up to this — most young people reject the crazy right B.S. for reality. They have grown up with instant news, instant oatmeal, and instant on-demand everything (including cybersex). They are not going to let the crazy authoritarians tell them how to live. Thank goodness. I believe that the conservative politics of the last 30 years will either have to move back to the center, or lose its appeal to the young, forever. This teaparty business is just a backlash to the middle of the road republicans who HAVE DONE NOTHING FOR THE PEOPLE IN THEIR PARTY. The do nothing republicans and do nothing democrats will all be voted out this fall.
I AgreeMy life experience reflects something similar. I was surprised to find the local rednecks in a small, poor, religious, Oregon town to be very “live and let live” towards gays. Likewise, like most I was unpleasantly surprised by Prop 8 in California and the marriage repeal in Maine, both among the bluest states in America. I do not like when people make broad generalizations about millions of people, and even less gross simplifications of complex social and economic phenomena.
yes, and when the state fundiestried to get a marriage amendment in via a constitutional amendment, it was former Republican governor Jim Edgar that did ads against a new constitutional convention in the state.
YesThe red family game is “abstinence” followed by teenage pregnancy followed by shotgun marriage.
The blue family game is sex education and birth control, followed by sex for fun, followed optionally by getting married, followed by planned pregnancy.
Pam, Please don’t give Peter any savvy tactical advice. Let him flounder where he is sitting.
Also from Northern VirginiaI was born in Fairfax Hospital and graduated from Fairfax County public schools before heading of to UVa. I still go back to Northern Virginia from time to time to visit family or old friends.
While Northern Virginia has voted Democratic for a couple elections, the most you could say about the area is that has Democratic leanings. I’d hardly call it liberal. I’ve mostly stopped hanging out with friends from Virginia because it’s hard to go to some event without someone spouting off some racist or homophobic comment. I find the belief by Northern Virginians that they’re significantly different from the rest of Virginia to be overblown.
But they do notThey aren’t really speaking of ALL blue and red families, but about tendencies from two general models. (And that’s pretty obvious …) It’s also just an excerpt.
They discuss statistics. Do they really simplify that much? How would a more nuanced look like? I think the real complaint is that you don’t like their conclusions. That the reality doesn’t consist of the two models should be clear and I think it’s actually implied.
It should also be mentioned that California and Maine may have disappointed, but not so much as many other red states.
The social views of the red family may not be the cause of their problems. But do you think that the attitudes that lead to teenage pregnancies are working for them? I think one can say that turning to religion may help your feelings, but not your situation.
And do you think that’s a good idea? Turning to people that have caused your problem or want to make it worse?
I guess replacing rich white elite liberals with rich whiter, elite pseudo-rednecks is not necessary something that will help most people.
Do you think the Democrats get kicked out for being as liberal as Nixon?
And I don’t think typical liberals enjoy the described situation at all. It’s revealing this is assumed.