Well it was an interesting 2 hours sitting up there with the heads of major LGBT advocacy orgs today during Mike Signorile’s LGBT Leadership Town Hall. Invited to the panel were National Gay & Lesbian Task Force executive director Rea Carey; National Center for Transgender Equality executive director Mara Keisling; Human Rights Campaign president Joe Solmonese (via BBC uplink, audio only); Servicemembers Legal Defense Network executive director Aubrey Sarvis; and former Clinton White House advisor on gay rights Richard Socarides.
I know, I know, get to the red meat. No, I’ll start off with some general impressions — one, it wasn’t an HRC bloodbath as you might have imagined, though Joe and I got into a bit of heat over that “repeal in 2010″ fundraiser. Actually, one of the things Mike asked me to discuss was the somewhat strained relationship between the Netroots/grassroots and advocacy orgs. I have a clip of that below (sorry for the crappy video and sound, the camera was on a tripod far away and people blocked it at times, although some kind soul moved it when I was speaking, as you’ll see).
Reporter Jason Bellini was shooting high-quality video for his report, so once that’s up I’ll post it.
One point that I didn’t get to make today (this needed to be 3 or 4 hours long), was that I was there representing netroots advocacy – the one group that doesn’t have the kind of WH access all of the org heads have. This is not me saying I need to be on the inside so much as it’s hard to feel that I am representing any part of movement “leadership” since the White House doesn’t officially admit new media plays a role or has significant influence. The paradox of course is that they monitor my blog and other LGBT blogs with great interest to the point of near obsession.
How do I know this? More than once I’ve posted unflattering or downright angry articles about some BS the WH has released, only to find 5 minutes later my cell is ringing with the WH press office on the other line or a seemingly urgent correspondence clarifying something. Sometimes things get fed to me early. It’s kind of bizarre.
The whole point is that the netroots exists in a netherworld that is at once despised as too extreme or pushing the envelope — and any movement needs to have an element pushing at the margins to get an administration to react and act. Oftentimes this falls to blogs, or more recently we’ve seen direct action tactics like GetEQUAL’s catch the administration off guard. But since new media and grassroots activists don’t have access and are perceived as troublemakers politically uncontrolled allies by some orgs as well the administration, we are kept at arms length because we are those crazy grannies in the attic, as I said today.
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So where were the clashes? I’d have to say that as a panelist, it’s much harder to keep track of everything, so it was interesting to read John Aravosis’s take of one portion of the event — that SLDN has been put in the dog house by the admin because it has been openly critical of the manipulation going on. It’s looking petty and juvenile, in my opinion. Leaving SLDN out of meetings with Jim Messina regarding DADT is ludicrous, so HRC was the “good, compliant gay org” invited. Don’t you remember Obama asking people to challenge him to do the right thing? Well, look what it got SLDN.
[O]ne bit of news that I found particularly interesting was that the White House has apparently been ostracizing SLDN, our lead “gays in the military” group. I know far more about this issue than what was said today, but much of what I know was gleaned in confidence, so I’ll only share what was public today (I’m only saying this to let you know that SLDN wasn’t lying, the White House has been playing games with them for a while).In a nutshell, the White House got angry at SLDN last year for advocating just a bit too strongly (in the White House’s view) for the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. You see, White House Deputy Chief of Staff Jim Messina made clear last year that he wasn’t terribly interested in moving ahead with the repeal of DADT. Aubrey Sarvis, who heads up SLDN, somehow got the notion in his head that Barack Obama was serious when he said that he planned to be our fierce advocate and fight for the repeal of DADT. So Aubry took the White House on, held a protest outside, and ran an ad in one of the big Capitol Hill papers. Unaccustomed to gay rights groups who actually fight for gay rights, the White House decided to cut SLDN off. (Again, I know much more about this story from a variety of sources – the story is true.)
One of the biggest FU’s they gave SLDN was refusing to invite them to a key meeting with Messina earlier this year. That would be the meeting at which Messina made clear, only five days after the President promised in his State of the Union to repeal DADT this year, that he wasn’t very interested in proceeding with DADT this year either. (At the meeting, Messina lectured our groups about the US “being in two wars” – yes, he used the GOP talking point that is often used to oppose DADT – suggesting that somehow our fight for civil rights is unpatriotic, or at best an inconvenient distraction from the important business of our nation.) HRC was at the meeting, but not SLDN, our lead group on the issue. From what we hear, HRC didn’t exactly object to what Messina said.
And we wonder why the DADT repeal effort is so screwed up. The White House cut off our top group on the issue, and only dealt with those they felt they could manage. And manage they did.
I’ll have to unfortunately leave you hanging somewhat regarding the confrontation I had with Joe Solmonese over his definitive statement at the HRC Carolinas dinner that DADT will be repealed in 2010. I’m so tired (been up since 3:30 in the AM and don’t have that video processed yet). He couldn’t unring the bell, so his position now is he still believes, not knows, it will be repealed, which clearly isn’t what he’s been telling donors.
I mean really — I can say I believe flying monkeys are going to come out of someone’s bum, but I can’t promise it will happen; those statements are not equivalent. Being sure – or giving the impression a deal is done – is not likely to open the wallets as easily as an tentative “maybe.”
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And Dan Blatt at GayPatriot, a site that rarely has anything kind to say about left-leaning LGBT blogs, agrees wholeheartedly with the institutional rot that has held back repeal:
Unlike the Democrats’ health care overhaul, the more time the American people have to consider repeal of DADT, the more they move in the direction of the Administration’s position, or, perhaps, given Mr. Gibbs’ comments yesterday, I should say, the Administration’s ostensible position. With even a majority of conservatives favoring repeal, pushing repeal would seem to be a no-brainer.As we consider Gibbs’ comments, let us ask if, in the wake of Obama’s election, the national gay organizations ever met as a group and/or with representatives of the then-incoming Administration to plot strategy, setting down issue priorities and time lines. From where I stand, it seems that given “Gay Inc’s” enthusiasm for the Democratic Party, the heads of those organizations just assumed that now the Republicans were out of power, the new powers that be would move swiftly on gay priorities. Guess they based that assumption on the Clinton Administration’s record of accomplishment.
Now, given the disastrous manner with which that Democratic Administration handled the issue of gays in the military, it made sense not to push repeal of the ban in the first months of Obama’s term. Yet, now they seem to keep pushing it back. And back. And back. And then further back.
It should be underscored that perhaps there are members of Gay Inc see the issues clearly, but they may not be the ones in the room where Messina tells them how it’s going down.
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UPDATE: there is a fantastic, near-transcript here. A snippet:
Michaelangleo Signorile: What is the relationship between netroots/grassroots and the groups in Washington?Pam Spaulding: “We’re sometimes perceived as the crazy granny in the attic.” Blogs bring a lot of fear to the institutions and makes them reluctant to connect with blogs. She’s done several state level connections, and we have transparency at the state level, but it is not translating to the federal level.
Michaelangleo Signorile: Do that have a fear of engaging?
Pam Spaulding: Yes because of criticism of them, because they see the anger, but aren’t willing to be transparent. There is a disconnect between whether they are fundraising for the issue or for their own self-sustenance.
Michaelangleo Signorile: How do the orgs respond?
Rea Carey: At the Task Force, the grassroots and netroots are our world. We have a lot of relationships with bloggers. There are so many ways we can engage for those that can’t afford to come to Washington. For example the Queer the Census stickers. They ended up having to print 200,000 stickers thanks to the blogs instead of the initial order of just a few thousand. On ENDA, NGLTF has coordinated on phone banking with 18,000 calls to Congress, helping people who can’t go to Washington or their Rep’s office connect on the issue.
Joe Solomonese: I read Pam’s blog. She has some inherent philosophies and her criticism of HRC is generally constructive. But if she likes something we do, she says so, if she doesn’t, we listen and learn from it. That’s helpful. Not everybody in the blogosphere engages that way. Claims 1 million members (though acknowledges most aren’t donors, but HRC considers sticker buyers donors). Wants to talk about the 6 Senators again and moving them to support repeal of DADT.
Michaelangleo Signorile asks him to name them since he keeps bringing it up.
Joe Solomonese: Jim Webb (D-VA), Bill Nelson (D-FL), Ben Nelson (D-NE), Robert Byrd (D-WV), Evan Bayh (D-IN) and Scott Brown (R-MA).
…Caller to Joe Solomonese: As pres of the largest national org, if the HRC promises made don’t get kept, how are we going to trust you?
Joe Solomonese. I still believe we are going to repeal DADT this year. We talk about what we are going to push for in the next year and the accomplishments we made in the last year
Pam Spaulding: I filmed you saying that statement. The audience was very firmly in their belief that it was going to happen, that HRC is in the White House. I think the message conveyed wasn’t true that this was a done deal.
Joe Solomonese. I believed then we’re going to pass repeal this year and I still believe that. I think we owe the community on how we’re going to do that. At the end of the day, HRC will decide whether we were right or not.




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It had it’s ups and downs.It was interesting to hear the groups and I now have a better understanding of what it is that they have been doing. There are a lot of irons in fire and a lot of balls in the air. I especially appreciated when they listed off some of the things the administration has enacted and the ground work they have laid as they move forward on smaller, “less sexy” changes that need to be made.
I know it’s not a popular opinion, but I appreciate Joe and HRC’s work. I have been following the HRC Backstory blog and for weeks now they have had events and volunteers in the states of the 6 senators we need to flip. I appreciate the hard work by the HRC activists who are on the ground and doing good work. I’m glad that Joe focused the radio event back to what we as a community need to do to move DADT forward.
I hope Sirius/XM has more events like this in the future…and you’re right, Pam…it needs to be longer.
Some things I didn’t like…the obvious agenda GetEqual had in trying to put Joe on the spot. Joe is not the enemy. I also wish there had been more questions from the phone, emails and the small groups that were in the audience.
Bring on the RepublicansI quit donating to Dems after the last election. I plan not to vote (for the first time!) in the fall elections. Let the Republicans sweep the Congress, and maybe take out Obama in 2012. What do we have to fear? Lack of progress? Hell, we get that from our friends in power now.
At least the Republicans are honest in their hatred of us. At least they shoot us in the face rather than in the back.
I’m interested in knowingexactly how they put Joe on the spot. I didn’t get a “ticket” to the town hall, but I knew GetEqual would be there, and I’m very curious as to what “went down” between those two groups.
I’m VERY happy Pam called him out on his promise for repeal – it seems like he’s really backed into the corner on that one.
My only real problem with Solmonese is how he makes a habit of going on the record saying things less than supportive of pretty much every other LGBT organization, particularly those that are truly grassroots like GetEqual. It gives a very bad impression of the movement when he continues to publicize this split (I’m very much aware that GetEqual does it as well, and I don’t approve of their doing it, either). We can have our little infights, because there’s actually an important strategy debate behind it, but let’s not make it so public, eh?
It was part of an discussion to seperate the wheat from the chaff. The chaff includes HRC, a moribund group that’s become a drag on the movement. It vacuums up money, time and energy and uses them fraudulently.
HRC claims to be an LGBT civil rights group. It’s not. Since its inception 30 years ago it’s become a fundraising group primarily dedicated to raising money to pay increasingly grotesque salaries to a few self appointed leaders.
The conditions for employment seem to be unswerving allegiance to the Democrat party at the expense of the fight for full equality. Getting invited to the WH is more important than advocating for equality once you’re there.
HRC is a tool, a front group for the White House and the DNC. The WH is home to Obama, who torpedoed our chances to retain California’s same sex marriage ruling in 2008. It includes the White House Office for Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships, run by Joshua Dubois, Obama’s Karl Rove. The DNC is run by Obama appointee and former Virginia governor Tim Kaine and ordained pentecostal bigot Leah Daughtry, both bitterly anti-GLBT and anti-choice.
HRC seems to be dying on the vine as key staffers move on or are pushed out, as revenues decline and as attitudes towards them shift from befuddlement about their effectiveness to widespread contempt at their incompetence.
That includes groups like ECQA, who caved to Obama in 2008 and allowed the right’s use of Obama’s infamous betrayal “gawd’s in the mix” to go unanswered.
The chaff also includes anyone who betrays the long standing antiwar sentiments of the LGBT communities, to say nothing of the lives of soldiers and civilians being killed in Obama’s war by supporting Obama’s ‘national security’ lies or enlistment to fight the oil wars. All they get for their efforts is a kick in the ass by being excluded from the loop by Obama.
Any state or federal GLBT grouping that willingly becomes a front group for the Democrats and the bigots in the DNC and White House will sooner or later suffer the same fate.
go resttake care of yourself, we’ll still be around tomorrow.
Sounds like Rahm is f*cking around with SLDN, and HRC goes in and tap dances for the White House.
OH HELL NO!
Joe can get with theprogram and with the community, and insist if they (WH) want a meeting on DADT, then they HAVE to deal with the leaders WE CHOOSE, not who they shove down our throats.
“Long standing antiwar sentiment of the LGBT communities”???That’s a generalization I’d rather you not make. I’m opposed to the War in Iraq, but that has nothing to do with my sexuality. Contrary to what the radical religious right would have you believe, my sexuality does NOT define my entire mindset.
nice to know WH monitors the LGBT sitesNot that anyone online should assume there’s a shread of privacy…(thank you Patriot act) but it’s a reminder to activists who want to have direct action spontaneous protests DO NOT email or post anything about it before hand.
Or you could vote left. Elections are a scam but for those who just have to vote there will be socialist and communist candidades in a few states.
Boycotting will reamin the best alternative for some time and is already exercised by 30-50% of eligible voters, depending on the election.
Our best electoral strategy consists of joining and building unions and pushing to get the AFL-CIO Labor Party loose in the electoral arena to kick ass.
Bad faith. Locking out SLDN, our key group?
Renegging on the 2010 promise just 4 days after making it?
Now they expect our community to believe it’s all fine because they’ve got some wonderful, magical but impossible to articulate plan? No. The administration has not been above board. They tried to quieted us down by sending Barney Frank out in November 2009 and promising us repeal in the next spending budget. Now it’s here and they pull the rug out again? No. They’ve used up all my patience and good will.
Whatever GetEqual’s got up their sleeve, I’m in for two.
What’s the word from Mark Udall’s office?Patrick Murphy?
Udall made a push for repeal in 2010 just yesterday. It appears he’s cognizant of the Presidential preferences and not afraid to take on the President on this issue. I think it could be key for our community to align ourselves with those who are fighting for us, reach out and see if they have suggestions.
You’re right to this extent. GLBT Democrats and Republicans are pro war because they vote for candidates like Obama and McCain.
But they don’t speak for most of us.
Opposition to the war has a lot to do with my sexuality. The second big love of my life was murdered while on active duty near Tan Son Nut airbase in the early 1970′s.
He was murdered by Nixon and his predecessor LBJ.
I was an antiwar activist before that and his murder only intensified my rage against these wars.
The GLBT communities has been interpentrated with the antiwar movement and have been for some time. They’re one of our allies.
I am delighted by GetEqual’s ACT-Up styleAnd think they are a net plus, drawing much needed attention and clearly making the administration sweat. I applaud them, and hope they offer me, a New Yorker the opportunity to be arrested soon. I suspect they’ll find lots of recruits from our city.
I agree, I don’t like their attempts to direct the anger at HRC. I support educating people about wisely choosing what orgs they invest their money in. But their Facebook page seems to revel in calling for the orgs downfall.
I think, a multi-prong attack is most effective. Neither organization needs to attack the other to flourish. It reeks of ego, not equality. Particularly since getequal seems to have struck a cord with many, and I’m pretty sure they are not hurting for foot soldiers.
The best revenge is living well. Robin & company should just savor that.
HRC and SLDNIt concerns me to no end that HRC didn’t even CONSIDER working closer with SLDN. That’s the biggest problem I’ve had with HRC the last couple of years. They don’t want to work with our partner organizations and want all the credit for everything but don’t really produce. It shocked me when I heard this today. I’m with one of the audience members that said it’s time for Joe Solmonese to step aside.
Mixner saysrevolt is much bigger than media realizes.
Good little quite homos get thrown the occasional crumb…Those that forget their place, get punished.
The message is clear. Be compliant, keep your mouth shut, don’t ask for your rights, know your place, and thank your oppressor for not whipping you any harder. Be grateful to massa and don’t you DARE back-talk him!
That about sums up the Obama Admin position in simple English.
I’m sick of it. Sick of the entire political landscape, and will never be voting for ANY Democrats in the midterms!
Yeah, you’re rightHadn’t thought about it, but really, it’s inexcusable that Joe S even allowed SLDN to be cut out of the loop. I know it’s expecting an insane amount of principle out a Joe, but a real HERO would have said, “No. This is THEIR area of expertise. They exist only BECAUSE of this law, they have earned a seat at the table. You want to negotiate with OUR community? You include them. Or the whole deal is off, and I’m going to the press and exposing you as a duplicitous fraud.”
but Joe’s a whore and a lapdog.
Well said.“I think it could be key for our community to align ourselves with those who are fighting for us, reach out and see if they have suggestions.”
Yes, precisely.
We have to make very clear to the people who actually have the power to get our civil rights restored (we were stripped of them, we aren’t asking for “special” or “new” rights) just how desperately important gay, lesbian and transgender votes are for them in November.
No, realistically, very few of us are actually going to vote for the Rethuglicans. If, however, many of us stay home because we are tired of being used, then the result for the Democrats will be the same: They will lose.
So who is fighting for us with whom we can align? Do we actually work with union leaders? Do they understand us? Do major donors “get it”? Do we ever give those Democrats in Congress who represent us reason to want to?
Sounds like a big waste of timeI don’t understand why you all get so bogged down in this nonsense creating our own political quagmire. Its bad enough having the DC politicians to contend with. We need to stop infighting and use the netbase ourselves to get one simple goal accomplished as an absolute priority -
SCRAP all the efforts on piecemeal legislation and band together for a second wave Civil Rights Gay Movement- calling for the amendment to the Civil Rights Act 1964.
Perhaps for a full explanation you would like to see the PINK PRINT via Melanie at lezgetreal. http://lezgetreal.com/?p=31942
I have many years of activism in South Africa during the apartheid era, where I was an attorney. I learned that there is no such thing as NOT possible. So read the logic and see if you want to join….. The Plan is in the works…. and no one is waiting for HRC, IE, or anyone for that matter.
We must change course – 40 years and we have got nothing. But if all our resources went toward one goal – then the piecemeal Bills will not be necessary and DOMA will have to repeal.
Pink print required reading for all activists and then come back and tell me NO…
Oh Pam…(sniff, sobs)you mean that Joe might have EXAGGERATED to us just to get money? Like the Catholic Cardinals fib to keep their money?
Oh no(sniff)
But to say that the President is treating US like President Bush used to punish press that wasn’t totally on board and uncritical about his every move?
(wailing, sobbing)
Oh, say it isn’t so,,,,
Those who forget their historyare doomed to repeat it.
Thinking that Keori’s gotta update this post and pop it back up to the top…
If the White House is indeed paying attention to the Blend and other sites, then we’ve GOT to keep showing them that we are definitely doing the same.
And if their tootsies are getting toasty from being held to close to the fire, they would be wise to remember who has been stoking it with their own false promises and inactions.
The Veal Pen in actionJane Hamsher had this strategy nailed early last year. The groups that toe the WH line (HRC) get invited to the WH cocktail parties as long as they follow the script provided to them and don’t rock the boat. In other words, they are confined to the veal pen.
The advocacy groups that actually, you know, advocate, are shut out of the kool kids events, denied legitimacy by the WH and are marginalized. And nothing substantial gets passed in congress.
Time to end the WH dominance of OUR advocacy groups. Money and time go to those groups outside the veal pen who haven’t compromised themselves beyond credibility.
So Joe Solmonese is now George Costanza?
Costanza’s Axiom: Its not a lie if YOU believe its true.
HRC: An organization about nothing*.
* Well, nothing but the undeserved salaries of those who ‘work’ there – but why quibble?
If you don’t votethen you forfeit your right to express an opinion about the results.
If you vote for a candidate or a party and they don’t keep their promises, then you have every right to bitch about it and work to hold them to it. If you vote against a candidate or a party and they win anyway, then you have every right to complain about it.
If you don’t vote, then shut the fuck up.
“2017″Was a deliberate date- and we need to remember who was the one to give it to us.
Didn’t you get the meme last year, Pam? We bloggers are all supposed to be sitting in our Cheetos-stained pajamas ON OUR HANDS AS NOT TO BE ABLE TO TYPE.
Bullshit.Everybody has a right to express an opinion, whether they vote or not. Voting isn’t the only way, or even the best way, to work for change, and even if it were, myroro’s decision not to vote has exactly as much impact as your decision to vote.
I vote, and I plan to vote this year and in 2012. But I’ll be damned if I’ll vote for Obama again.
Joe lied?What? I find this hard to believe. Say it isn’t so. I don’t think Joe has ever lied. It’s not his MO. Ohhhhh, I so shocked.
(In case some people didn’t notice, this was sarcasm. I have to say that for the benefit of some.)
Well…There really wasn’t any fireworks other than when Robin and another member from the audience tried to get Joe to say he’d resign if the DADT repeal effort failed this year. He didn’t take the bait. I forget who got up toward the end to speak but a male audience member got up and said the most shocking thing he learned today was that SLDN was shut out of a meeting that HRC attended and then asked Joe to say that he’d never attend another meeting that other groups were not invited to. To which Joe rightly replied, No, he wouldn’t make that promise. And he pointed out that all the groups are invited to meetings that other groups don’t attend.
I think it would be foolish for any gay rights group…large or small to say they wouldn’t attend a meeting…any chance they get to have face time should be taken.
I didn’t think Pam’s exchange with Joe was exceptionally confrontational on her part…I mean, it was obvious that Pam isn’t a fan of his (something he even pointed out), he even tried to lighten the moment with a comment about her percentage of liked HRC actions vs unlike HRC actions, but Pam wasn’t budging an inch.
I’m curious about one things though…you said :My only real problem with Solmonese is how he makes a habit of going on the record saying things less than supportive of pretty much every other LGBT organization, particularly those that are truly grassroots like GetEqual.” What did he say that was less supportive. I tend to surf the blogs and read quite a bit about these things and the only thing I’ve seen is that HRC is supportive of action on all levels. Their usual response is “we’ve all got a part to play.”
Yes, by all means vote Republican……fool.
For the first time in the history of our nation a major piece of gay rights legislation went through the house and congress and was signed by the president of the united states. After being rejected and stalled by the people YOU will now vote for. DADT and ENDA are going to be made law thanks to gay rights groups, democrats and a handful of moderates.
But yes…join those oh so supportive Republicans.
A different spin on thisfor my initial impression…
I would love for the President’s other supporters outside of the LGBT community to begin to think in terms of the “good gays” vs. the “bad gays.”
The problem with that, though, is that the “good gays” need to leave their egos and their real and/or imagined “access” out of the equation. And I’m not sure that they can do that.
You can get what we have here in VirginiaIn less than 30 days in office Gov. McDonnell rolled back every LBGT protections we worked decades to achieve. Then his attoney general Ken Cuccinelli when after the State Colleges to do the same.
We need to support the lawmakers that support us. As a community we need to demonstrate we have political power. We stay home and the Rep. sweep, the tea baggers will just take the credit anyway.
“if your not at the table, your on the menu.”
Senator Mark Udall’s comments“The Pentagon is studying how to implement an end to “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” and while I agree that is a necessary step, I also believe strongly that we must repeal it this year. I will continue to work with other senators to ensure that the repeal is included in the Defense Authorization bill, which will be marked up in the Senate Armed Services Committee next month. But we still face an uphill battle, and we will need a bipartisan push to clinch this urgent effort.”
He is pushing to include repeal in the Def. Auth. bill. Let’s help him. We need to contact every member of the Senate Armed Services Committee.
http://armed-services.senate.g…
In particular Sen. Collins (Maine) Sen. Brown (Mass) Sen. Byrd (WestV) Bill Nelson (Florida)Ben Nelson (Nebraska) Sen. Bayh (Indiana) Jim Webb (VA).
We need to swarm these offices with calls, e-mail, visits, postcards anything…….just DO something.
Call or write your President.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact
Come to the DADT Rally at the White House Sun May 2nd at noon.
Do let this moment pass without stepping into action. This is OUR moment…..
THISright here.
SLDN is the organization with the expertise and the foot soldiers (pun intended) for DADT specifically. SLDN needs to be taking the lead as far as this lobbying for DADT repeal as well.
“Abstain” is still a voteAlthough I think a much stronger message would be made by voting write-in for “Someone who supports my human rights.”
You might have passed Poli-Sci 101 with a whole mess of A’s and atta-boys but you flunked Politics for Winners. Mass action accomplishes what elections can’t – change.
At best elections reflect change. If elections produced real change they’d be outlawed.
You’ve got it backwards.If you DO vote, then you have no right to complain, because then you’re partially responsible for what happens.
HRC started out as a gay rights group,back in ancient times. What they have become is an unofficial arm of the DNC, with the mission of keeping the LGBT community quiet, passive (no troublesome demands) and Democratic. Their loyalty is to the party, not to us, despite what they claim. I don’t see how that could be any clearer.
They want not only the credit,they want the fundraising $$$. Letting SLDN take the lead means people would be giving SLDN money that HRC regards as its birthright.
Oh hellMom, that’s going to be one LONG update!
But you’re right, as usual.
I posted this right after the show on the MS blog..and GAYBut will leave here, uneditted too. … I think perhaps Michael should have played David Mixner's POINT AWARD speech too though. Or even hold a whole show on it.David, in his 50th year of Civil Rights Activism…says..get out of the way of the young'uns who want to get this done! There is not partial FREEDOM… only the half ENSLAVEMENT LIMBO we are in now.
Craziness“HRC is a tool, a front group for the White House and the DNC. The WH is home to Obama, who torpedoed our chances to retain California’s same sex marriage ruling in 2008.”
You were doing good. Until you got to the part about the White House and Obama along with HRC doing damage to California’s same sex marriage ruling. That’s when I realized you more than likely had a crack pipe perched in one hand while typing with the other.
Just say no.
I think just their name kinda betrays their old-school roots – “Human Rights Campaign”That’s a homophile-sounding name if I ever heard one. They’re clearly not fighting for all humans [not that they're fighting for us in many ways either]. It just reminds me of the days when people couldn’t/wouldn’t put who we actually are in their titles – they have about the same mentality and lack of change.
I would rather not have creepy slavery comparisonsat all. If it weren’t for that, your point would be spot-on.
Wow, two plugs in one dayOn PHB and AmericaBlog Gay. Thanks Pam. I enjoyed the Town Hall yesterday and doing the liveblog of it. I think it was helpful to air out some of what was said and I think progress will be made as a larger movement because of it. I only wish it could have been longer and we could have seen more interaction. I know having six panelists and a moderator is a tough thing to coordinate so everyone gets a say, but Michaelangelo did a great job. Definitely needs to be done again! Thanks again.
Damn, more partisan blindness. Learn to Google.
Compare the dates of Obama’s ‘gawd’s in the mix’ bigoted garbage at Saddleback and on MTV with the California Field Poll in the last weeks before the election.
Obama gave the bigots the ammo to clobber us and he never retracted it or apologized. He galvanized the bigot vote.
Neither EQCA or HRC corrected him. Both abandoned the field to the southern baptists, mormons and catholics.
What are EQCA and HRC if not front groups for the Democrats?
Just say no to putting Democrat partisanship before the needs of the movement. Then, and only, then can we begin to win.
A Republican is a rancid right centrist with a theocrat attached at the hip. A Democrat is a Republican in drag.
With Democrats like this who needs Republicans?