NOTE FROM PAM: I appreciate Mr. Ssempa dropping by the coffeehouse to attempt to make his case that his position is reasonable. That it is a complete FAIL and only further damages whatever reputation he believes has is the beauty of this coffeehouse. Thanks, Alvin and the Blenders for picking this garbage apart. I'll run off for a bonus-sized bottle of hand sanitizer for the coffeehouse…
crossposted on Holy Bullies and Headless Monsters
Martin Ssempa, the proponent of the Ugandan “kill the gays” bill wrote Pam's House Blend claiming that he has been misunderstood:
Dear Maura and Pams House friends,
I thank you for discussing my blog and the news that I am available online. It turns out we have just got connected to fiberoptic internet..for the first time in History ..and the good news is that we can now talk. I regret that I have been misrepresented but I do hope we can learn more from each other.
First Maura I did respond to your posting on my blog. I hope you got it..The negative birth rates in Western nations shoud concern all of us. For us in Africa, dying without giving birth to a child when it was in your power to produce is a curse. It is a betrayal of the ancestors because we the living are the link to the descendants. That in a sense why homosexuality is deemed as a curse and an abomination. Even before Christianity, our culture abhors anything that does not produce life.
Secondly, the anti homosexuality bill is a Ugandan effort, by Ugandans for Ugandans. A lot has been spoken about the death penalty creating hysteria among some of you that we propose to run around and round up anyone who practices sodomy. No such thing..The death penalty is specifically proposed in cases of aggravated defilement which is the equivalent of statutory rape of minor or a handicapped person against their wish. I do not support or will not support any bill which seeks the death penalty for homosexuals. On the other hand we will not be deterred from making the bill which is intended to protect our children from recruitment and propaganda. Hey now with internet we can talk more on this.
Finally kindly tell your fellow blogger to mind their manners when they are discussing. Continue to challenge their racial bigotry which makes it look like an African cant have a PhD or be able to blog! Some of these comments are vulgar, obscene and totally lacking objectivity with which constructive debate can be engaged in.
Hope you don't mind me joining this great debate.
Martin Ssempa PhD
What Ssempa does here is the equivalent of offering a plate of cow manure covered with icing and trying to pass it off as cake.
Here is what he omits about the bill. It would:
* Expand the definitions for homosexual acts, making conviction easier. Current law requires evidence of penetration. The new law would expand the definition of homosexual activity to”touch(ing) another person with the intention of committing the act of homosexuality.” Touching itself is defined as “touching—(a) with any part of the body; (b) with anything else; (c) through anything; and in particular includes touching amounting to penetration of any sexual organ. anus or mouth.”* Affirm Uganda’s lifetime imprisonment for those convicted of homosexuality.
* Define a new crime of “aggravated homosexuality” for those who engage in sex with someone under the age of 18, who are HIV-positive, who is a “repeat offender” (so broadly defined as to include anyone who has had a relationship with more than one person, or who had sex with the same person more than once), or who had sex with a disabled person (consensual or not). The penalty for “aggravated homosexuality” is death by hanging.
* Require anyone arrested on suspicion of homosexuality to undergo HIV testing to determine the individual’s qualification for prosecution of “aggravated homosexuality.”
* Criminalize “attempted homosexuality” with imprisonment for seven years.
* Criminalize “promoting” homosexuality with fines and imprisonment for between five and seven years. This overly-broad provision would criminalize all speech and peaceful assembly for those who advocate on behalf of LGBT citizens in Uganda . It would also criminalize any attempt to repeal or modify the law in the future, as those moves could also be seen as “promoting” homosexuality.
* Criminalize “aiding and abetting homosexuality” with seven years imprisonment. This provision could be used against anyone extending counseling, medical care, or otherwise providing aide gay people.
* Criminalize the act of obtaining a same-sex marriage abroad with lifetime imprisonment.
* Add a clause which forces friends or family members to report LGBT persons to police within 24-hours of learning about that individual’s homosexuality or face fines or imprisonment for up to three years.
* Penalize people who run “brothels” with five to seven years imprisonment for renting to LGBT people. However, it defines a brothel as “a house, room, set of rooms or place of any kind for the purposes of homosexuality” instead of the more normal definition of a place where commercial sex work takes place. Anyone’s bedroom would be a “brothel” under this definition, placing landlords and hotel owners in jeopardy for renting to LGBT people.
* Add an extra-territorial and extradition provisions, allowing Uganda to prosecute LGBT Ugandans living abroad. (Editor's note – this means a Ugandan gay or lesbian living in America can be “called back” to Uganda for prosecution.)
* Void all international treaties, agreements and human rights obligations which conflict with this bill.
Oh yeah – that claim about gays recruiting children? It's not true. I also noticed that Ssempa didn't comment about his penchant for showing pornography in church as a way of stigmatizing the gay community.
But he does take care to “explain” the death penalty. However, his explanation contradicts what is actually said. Plus, it gives me pause and it's something that's been on my mind for a while.
Taking into account Uganda's already oppressive environment towards the gay community, just what would prevent the Ugandan government (if this bill passes) from rounding up a group of gays and lesbians and executing them on the pretense of “aggravated homosexuality?”
Things like this have happened before. History unfortunately is filled with stories of genocide committed on the pretenses of “best intentions” and I'm afraid Uganda will be yet another march in this direction, with Ssempa leading the way.
Ssempa should be aware of the old proverb “it's better to be thought of as a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.”
But in this case, the word “fool” should be replaced with “genocidal maniac.”




32 Comments


PatheticAll that pompous speaking for the multitude: “For us, dying without giving birth to a child when it was in your power to produce is a curse. It is a betrayal of the ancestors because we the living are the link to the descendants.”
Is he a Christian or a pagan, does he worship Jesus or his ancestors and their ghosts? The entire rationale reeks of tribalism, paganism and superstition. He also presumes to make broad sweeping statements about “we” meaning, supposedly, the entire people of Uganda and conveniently omitting those people of Nigeria that fall outside his definition.
It is clear that he believes that gays are indoctrinated at some kind of gay circus or secret camp. He would never believe, no matter how much scientific evidence accumulates, that homosexuality is biologically influenced or natural.
Watching videos on youtube, I’ve seen Martin Ssempa express admiration for Saudi Arabia and a desire to emulate that oppressive and utterly parasitic state. his rationale is that the Saudis can blackmail the rest of the world into accepting their gross violations of human rights because they have oil. Martin likewise wants to impose his evangelical caliphate using uranium and oil as leverage.
Then he can oppress women and homosexuals with impunity; hell, he can hang political activists with rope paid for by Shell, like they did in Nigeria.
oh, i don’t misunderstand him at all.mr.ssempa is just another “christian” whackjob attempting to rationalize his irrational position. nothing particularly special or unique.
The ‘negative birth rate’ crapOne of the anti-science crowd’s fave talking points is the claim that the entire population of the earth can fit within the boundaries of Jacksonville, Fla – meaning that, therefore (in their anti-reality), the earth is underpopulated, a ‘fact’ which, to them, in and of itself justifies not only womb control but also total outlawing of all contraception.
Seriously.
About 10 years ago I went to a presentation by Kent Hovind, the ‘christian dinosaur’ guy who’s now in prison because he decided that he didn’t need to pay taxes on anything related to his multi-layered cons. The ‘underpopulated’ shtick was the centerpiece of his act (that and whipping up the crowd into an anti-Department of Education fervor).
This man scares me.The fact that people like him exist in this world fills me with despair for the future of humanity.
“Mind Your Manners”Would Ssempa have expected the Jews to “mind their manners” towards Hitler?
There’s something seriously wrong with this man. He claims “gays are indoctrinating children”, when HE’S the one showing off the porno – therefore HE’S indoctrinating the children into something else other than homosexuality. Ssempa obviously enjoys corrupting children’s minds and you can tell he gets a sexual thrill from it too.
If anyone should be prosecuted in Uganda, it’s that pervert Ssempa.
I hate condescension, especially when it is so poorly executed.Would someone ask Mr. Ssempa why he stereotypes all gays as non-child bearing? Living in the West such is not my experience. In fact in California alone 0ver 75,000 children are raised by gay couples with a very large percentage of those children being biologically related either one parent or the other. Further for the percentage of children who are not biologically related to their same sex parents They are being reared and sustained–sustaining life being just as important as creating it, in a way that allows them to grow up and have their own children, In point of fact one need not be heterosexual to have children nor to sustain life. Though doing so from a jail cell or a guillotine might prove a tough arrangement.
To whom does Ssempa believe he is speaking too? Human being by their very nature look to sustain life regardless of their sexuality and as I am sure you have not said, the devastation of HIV/AIDS and other communicable diseases in Uganda as in Africa itself have been spread far more effectively by the straight community then by the gay community. In point of fact if it where so true that this was about life then why focus on the homosexuals? Why not condemn the barren and the old as well as those heterosexuals with HIV/AIDS? Its simple to see by the greatest fool or the wisest person regardless of community or faith that your focus is the condemnation of Homosexuals and for that alone less the lies you tell to condemn others, your own words condemn you under your own weight of faith. Or do you not believe in Gay Christians either?
“Would Ssempa have expected the Jews to ‘mind their manners’ towards Hitler? “Do you really want an answer to that?
Pagan?as a Pagan myself, I have to say that your use of the word here feels pretty pejorative. given that my practice is mostly empirical, from my perspective worship of a sketchily documented resurrection seems very superstitious. but hey – we all have our kinks (wink) .
sexual practicesI’m sure there are some gay men who engage in the sexual practices which Ssempa has described/shown pictures of. The majority of them do not! (Why all the invective just towards male same-sex activity? Why hasn’t Ssempa shown equally damning videos of female same-sex activities? Or is it as I suspect…the ultimate “wet-dream” for many heterosexual males is two women together, so Ssempa lets women off the hook because “that is ok”.) I am also sure that quite a few heterosexuals – even in Uganda – engage in the same sexual activities which Ssempa finds so loathsome. Why is there no mention of them in this proposed law? So Ssempa is being a hypocrite by his selective indignation…unless he is going to build a lot more prisons for the “hets” who are doing the same thing.
I’m speaking from HIS point of viewPersonally, I have great respect for pagans, but his anti-gay stance appears to be founded on a strictly NON-Christian framework: the same one that African Christians use to justify multiple wives and rape in marriage: the making of more lovely little babies, what joy! Who needs human rights and feminism when you can have baby-making machines?
becasue lesbian sex isn’t as ‘disgusting’ as male gay sex.Of course, MOST sex is disgusting if you don’t find both of the participants very attractive. I can’t think of ten real people I know that I’d enjoy watching having sex. That’s why the ridiculous fantasies of movie and TV sex are so dominant; we have all been TRAINED to find regular people having sex disgusting and shameful.
MM As a former church goingay…its the churches that recruit and indoctrinate hate.
No one cornered me and converted me to be gay I just am.
They sure did try to recruit me into the Army of Gawd .
I have heard way to much of that convert or die bs.
PersonallyI love the part where, in a discussion about imposing the death penalty for being gay, he objects that WE are vulgar, obscene, and lacking in objectivity.
What part of “I want you dead, and you don’t seem to be willing to see both sides of the issue and take it calmly” is it that he has trouble with understanding our reaction to?
And the “this is none of your business,s ince we only want to slaughter OUR faggots” part is equally priceless.
If he wants to avoid subjecting the kids to propaganda, he should look in the mirror first.
What a pompous Ass!He really has no idea that our lives and loves should NOT BE UP FOR DEBATE!
Does he even understand that concept? I doubt it.
and Oh, I could show Ssempasome straight porn that would straighten his hair.
Ssempa is writing on PHB? I think I need to log off for a minute, this is crazy!Sometimes the internet makes things too close for comfort.
Alvin, Pam, and Wayne Besen have clearly struck a nerve and caught the attention of people with vast resouces and a nefarious agenda. I hope they are prepared for what may be coming their way.
If what Dr. Ssempa says is true and this isn’t a bill targeting homosexuals then where is the law that required execution of straight people who do the things that are banned in this bill?
I’m against the death penalty for anything but if it’s going to be used, and it’s going to be defended as fair and not targeting certain minorities then it must apply the same to the majority as to the minority. Since I’ve heard no mention of a similar law for people who have sex with underage or disabled people of the opposite sex, Dr. Ssempa’s words ring hollow and he is exposed as a lying homophobe posing as a concerned citizen and defender of righteousness.
EXCELLENT point!
Yup…..Good points from both of you. I’m sure if Mr. Ssempa showed one of the plethora of ‘girls kissing’ vids on YouTube, the audience would say “That’s nice. Your point is?” instead of getting support for this genocidal law. This obsession about two men having sex-and nothing about two women-is indicative of Mr. Ssempa’s actual mindset.
As for Steerpike 66′s point, you’re right. We have been trained to find regular people-having sex or not-disgusting and shameful, unfortunately.
Don’t let this evil WAD alter your habits of postingI’m sure with just a little Glade plug in, the stench of him near our screens will PASS.
A little Febreeze will do wondersOr if you are a Martha Stewart devotee, you can always dip pine cones a home-made, organic “clean linen” or “ocean breeze” essential oil, sprinkle with glitter made from real gold leaf, let them dry and show them off in a tasteful wicker basket crafted by Amish artisans; that would be a Good Thing.
Glade Plug-In…. blech! If I want overly fragranced allergy triggers, I’ll visit my great aunt.
Your Martha mention reminded me of a hillarious SNL skit last weekThe premise was Undercover Boss, and they were using celebrity bosses, they had Virgin airlines boss, then switched to Martha standing with her arms folded in front of a sink piled up with dirty dishes. Someone yells “why aren’t you doing the dishes?”
“Cuz I’m Martha-F*ckin’-Stewart”
You knowAnd I hope you (or one of your staffers) is reading this Mr Ssempa.
“Finally kindly tell your fellow blogger to mind their manners when they are discussing. Continue to challenge their racial bigotry which makes it look like an African cant have a PhD or be able to blog! Some of these comments are vulgar, obscene and totally lacking objectivity with which constructive debate can be engaged in.”
Please, explain to me how I can engage in a constructive debate with a man who publicly advocates my death?
I would really like to know what fantasy land you live in, where an absolutist position can be a party to a “Constructive Debate”. That’s no debate I’ve ever been in.
You sir, are a poor excuse for a human being, and even though I myself am not a Christian, you certainly don’t sound like a man that knows a thing about what Jesus did and said, based on the bible you claim to hold so dear.
You CAN’T. That’s the thing YOU don’t understand, Mr. Ssempa. We cannot indulge in debate with people who want us dead-either physically or spiritually, which is basically what going back in the closet IS. You need to mind YOUR manners, sir.The sexual lives of gay/lesbian OR heterosexual Ugandans-or anyone else-is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS, and no words from a 2000 year old book of fairy tales from nomadic desert dwellers can change that. Take that book, sir, and kindly shove it where the sun doesn’t shine, and get your sexually repressed nose out of our business. Period.
The end result of dehumanizing fairy-talesSsempa has no concept that our lives and loves are worth anything at all. To him we are just an “other.” Politically, we are simply the “them” to his “us.” He doesn’t consider us (LGBTs) to be human beings and he certainly feels no need to empathize with us.
You can’t argue with him because he doesn’t care. He revels in this siege mentality and in spreading fear to his countrymen, most of whom are not really acquainted with real gay people. He loves that his every lie gets gobbled up by a populace that has been pre-programmed to hate the gays from 200 year-old folk-tales which are apparently (shock of shocks) not historically accurate. He loves the thought that his words strike fear into his gay countrymen. He loves that he is dealing from a position of strength, since the targets of his bile are not the majority and do not have majority support in his country. And if those of us outside of Uganda retaliate economically or politically, it will simply further entrench his position, since it will be some “global gay conspiracy” that would be causing their problems then.
This is his fetish. It’s global-scale sadism, except that there are no safe words. The only real way to deal with it is to make Uganda a political pariah and to make sure that Ssempa is unable to leave Uganda without facing protests and/or arrest. Allow asylum for any and all gay refugees from Uganda and make sure that if Ugandan authorities so much as set foot outside of Uganda to arrest gays outside of their borders, they are immediately arrested and that any power authorizing such excursions are also arrested and tried in the appropriate international courts. Oh, and stop all financial dealings with Uganda, period.
Constructive debate, huh?Mr Ssempa writes that letter and then posts THIS on his blog.
Ha ha ha..the homos are scared to death that we have hard evidence of WHAT they do. They are mortally ashamed of the public knowing the totally deviant sexual activities which include the most unnatural, unhealthy and disease prone sexual activities..fisting, anal licking, scat (fecal) games, brown and yellow showers, etc all these are the acts they want to keep secrets…So they now plant stories to bemoan that I am showing “gay porn” to “little children”. That now my members in church are wanting to try out being homos! ha ha ha…
What do we have to be scared of? That you’re the spiritual decedent of Josef Goebbels? We already knew that, Mr. Ssempa. And you’re doing what Goebbels did. LYING. You’re showing stuff you got off gay S/M pages. The majority of gay men (and lesbians) aren’t into S/M-and neither are the majority of straight people. So, is that tired bullshit all you have?
Scared? HELL NO. Just tired of your lies.
Real big of him……to address the people of this site as “friends” and hope for a constructive dialog where he and them can both learn from one another in a spirit of constructive debate, while supporting legislation that would put people in jail for maintaining sites like this.
He didnt post my second responsein which i dissected the application of Zimmerman to the situation at hand and fruther defended the statistical impossibility of LGBT’s having a significant impact upon population changes.
Guess his Ph.D.wasn’t in socio-economics or statistics huh?
I won’t attack his educationbecause I’ve had mine attacked for going to school in Spain, despite having attended perhaps the oldest and most prestigious Univeristy in Eurpoe(Americans never hear of it because it isnt English speaking, despite it being Harvard’s sister school)
We won’t covert hearts and minds through ad mominem arguments, but by dissecting their positions..
Christianity in AfricaIt’s been heavily influenced by traditional spiritual and religious beliefs. You can’t isolate the two like you can in the West.
He’s definitely politicking the bill, and both the misrepresentation and the bill itself are reprehensible, but don’t sink to ad hominem attacks, particularly ones that show your own lack of understanding.
How was that an attack?I wouldn’t take the word of someone who had a PhD in economics on what might be wrong with my transmission. I wouldn’t take the word of someone who had a PhD in physics for how to solve the current economic crisis. Having a PhD means you have a documented level of education in one specific area. It doesn’t grant you omniscience in all areas.
I work with enough of them who have trouble tying their own shoes, but they’re brilliant when they’re in the lab and in their own element.