Is it me or were we told there was a clear path to repeal? The level of political homophobia stinks like an upturned porta-potty. Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI) doesn’t think so. In fact he thinks, despite polling and testimony by military officials that DADT needs to be flushed away, that a vote could fail.
When asked about equality advocates’ concern that a moratorium on enforcement of the military’s ”Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy would put off a vote on repealing policy this year, Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) said on Thursday, ”That’s not my concern. My concern would be that the vote on ending ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ gets defeated.”When asked if that meant the Senate Armed Services Committee chairman had concerns that such a vote would be defeated this year, Levin’s response was blunt:
”Yeah, darn right I do.”
Levin made the comments following testimony Thursday morning by Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus and top military chiefs with the Navy and Marine Corps.
I’m tired of this sh*t. Name some names — who up there on the Hill is waffling on repeal? This pathetic jiu-jitsu over moving on this is absolutely enraging and ridiculous at this point.
The Palm Center makes a pointed statement — the military doesn’t need permission from those who are serving to effect change. Polling their feelings about the matter is in the end, irrelevant — all they need to do is look at other countries where gays and lesbians already serve. It’s a top-down institution that shouldn’t be governed by the sensitivities or bigotries of those who are in the military — it’s a bad policy, get rid of it. But decisionmakers — and apparently lawmakers — are bunching their panties over this.
In a conversation with Dr. Nathaniel Frank today, Admiral Gary Roughead, Chief of Naval Operations, acknowledged difficulties with the plan to poll U.S. troops on their personal feelings about serving with gays. “We’ve never assessed the force because it’s not our practice to go within our military and poll our force to determine if they like the laws of the land or not,” Admiral Roughead told Frank in a discussion immediately following the Admiral’s testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee. “That gets you into a very difficult regime.”Frank, Senior Research Fellow at the Palm Center, agreed with Admiral Roughead. ”The military is a top-down institution for good reason,” he said. ”Acknowledging the concerns of the troops is important, but that’s not the same as using an opinion poll as the basis for making policy.” Senate Armed Services Chairman Carl Levin has also said that, while it is important to remain sensitive to the concerns of service members, “An army is not a democracy.”
This month, the Palm Center released a policy memorandum with eight research recommendations to the new Pentagon Working Group on gays in the military. One of the recommendations supports Admiral Roughead’s observation:
Consult troops for relevant information rather than to ask their permission for reform. It is important to be sensitive to the concerns and anxieties of military members as options are weighed about lifting the ban on openly gay service. Yet it is crucial that, when uniformed personnel are consulted on this matter, the purpose of the consultations be made clear: Polls or anecdotes about the personal preferences of enlisted personnel and junior officers should not be used as a basis to determine policy, and they do not constitute evidence about the critical question of what impact lifting the ban will have on cohesion, recruitment, and effectiveness. In Britain and Canada, approximately two-thirds of troops surveyed said that they would not work with gays, yet when inclusive policies were implemented, just a handful of service members actually retired.
What sane minds want to see DADT left in place besides the professional anti-gay set? The people who love the closet…



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dadt – levinI don’t know, Pam. Can you name a single Republican senator who has committed to vote to repeal DADT. Or, more realistically, committed to vote to end a filibuster and bring a repeal bill to the floor for a vote?
I think Webb is on the fenceI think Webb is not a yes vote yet. I sent an email and got a very soft non answer back. If it is part of authorization, then Levin’s concern is that a majority would vote to strip the ammendment (51 vote to leave the policy as is). I wonder what the professional’s are hearing?
We don’t need republicansLevin can write the bill into the Military Spending Budget and that process will require 60 votes to remove it. 60! So is Levin saying there are 11 Democrats that would side with all the GOP to vote it put of a budget? 11? Who are they? It’s past time to name names.
Well you know we wouldn’t want to offend any heterosexuals…especially not the Christian ones.
Good luck on getting nameswe are still waiting to find out who all those Senators who will not vote yes on the public option in an up and down vote are. All we ever hear is that there are not enough votes. To everything, I say stop allowing them to hide. Force their hand. But – I am a party of one online poster and not representative of anyone but myself.
Damn right, name names!
But let’s get the names right. Reality Check Time. It’s not just Antigay Industry myths that need debunked.
It AMAZES me that so many of the gay bloggerati keep painting Levin as the villian in this drama…as if he could flip a switch and repeal DADT tomorrow but is refusing to for some reason?
WHERE is the EVIDENCE for that? Levin is one of the few senators who can claim to have supported lifting the ban and opposed its being reinvented as DADT all the way back to 1993. He’s been around long enough to know how to count votes and if he says they aren’t there now…and aren’t likely to change…I believe him.
Unlike MANY others, including MANY GAYS, there’s no evidence that HE’s simply trying to cover the President’s ass. I’ve been quoting here ever since Levin first said it last June:
Perhaps he was fooled…as most of the gay community…that Obama’s lip service in the SOTU was finally signaling that leadership, and some are STILL operating on the selective mishearing of what, in fact, Obama intentionally did NOT say.
One doesn’t need to understand how to diagram a sentence to get that he did NOT say he would work “for repeal this year” as in “for repeal to HAPPEN this year,” but “work this year for repeal”…in other words…the work would happen this year but repeal would not necessarily follow THIS year.
In short, we were played again…and are still being played by White House Porch Faggots excuse me gay orgs saying that the Prez IS working on it and for this year but we just don’t have the special 3D glasses they have to be able to see it.
Or is it a matter of BO simply setting Congress up to take the blame for repeal failure?
And apparently there are a lot of 3D hearing aids floating around, because it’s not just mishearing POTUS but a number of others, too, that keeps getting misquoted and misleading our reactions to what’s happened since.
1. The closest Gates and Mullen came to saying DADT should be flushed away is that it is simply their PERSONAL opinion that it could be repealed but repeat BUT NOT NOW, not until AFTER at least a year of “study” …thus strangely ABANDONING their POWER as Secretary of Defense and Chair of the Joint Chiefs (read second ONLY to the President of the United States as commander of ALL the nearly 2.5 million active duty and reserve servicemembers)…the same kind of power they ARE choosing to apply to putting women on submarines.
In short, the only thing that got flushed away in the premature ejaculations and self-induced orgasms over the LIP SERVICE they paid to repeal was that their “plan” would…wait, what’s that…oh, yeah…push even the POSSIBILITY of repeal until months AFTER midterm elections when no one not in a coma is predicting major losses of liberal seats in Congress.
In short, Gates’ testimony was not a “game changer” as so many rhapsodized but a naked attempt to “run out the clock” in the game so that NOTHING would change beyond MAYBE a few types of outings of gays would no longer trigger discharges….the SAME thing Gates repeatedly insisted last year that the Pentagon’s General Counsel told him was not legally in his power [tho it IS]. And who did he appoint to cochair “The Study”-that same General Counsel who one might conclude is either a legal incompetent or a dishonest homophobe…sly fox or stupid fox….pick the hat.
And, very few called him on his trick, apparently too busy channeling, yet again, Sally Field: “He likes us! He really like us!”…and to notice that Sen. Levin said THEN that “taking a year to study this is too long” and he’d like to see a freeze during any delay.
Instead, we have a handful of gays…some with reputations of integrity and some with reputations of incompetence and incredibility…reversing decades of the Movement saying to the Pentagon, “You don’t NEED another study“; contradicting their campaigning for the last five years for a repeal bill that would only allow the Pentagon six months to implement….crawling into bed with Gates and even card carrying homohating Troglodytic Marine Commandant Conway and purring, “Take me! Do whatever you want with me! I’m yours!”
HOW? By suggesting that we all surrender to the guy who made that naked move to, in fact, defeat repeal by running out the political clock and agree to delaying implementation for 18 months …during which 100s of gay servicemembers would be shitcanned and again, even tho the House repeal bill they’ve previously pushed would give the Pentagon 30% more time to implement than any other country took after repeal….WITHOUT NAMING those Senators/Congresspersons who will publicly guarantee that, in return, he or she will change his/her vote from against repeal to for repeal thus making repeal certain.
2. Despite the imaginary 3D hearing aids, Colin Powell has NEVER said he favors “repeal”…only “the approach” Gates is taking. Anyone who believes that wasn’t code from one of the homohating architects of DADT who helped peddle lies to justify our invasion of Iraq for “defeat repeal by running out the clock” get in line for the Discount Sale for sections of the Brooklyn Bridge.
3. Similarly, Cheney has NEVER said he supports “repeal”…only “it’s time to reconsider the policy.” And that “time” would, again, run past a change in control of Congress and toward his transparent plans to run for President in 2012. He may hate Obama but he’s a master just like B.O. of carefully saying things in such a way that can be “heard” in diametrically opposed ways.
4. This brings us to the point where my eardrums recently burst…because I’m also hearing some of the people who were demanding Obama freeze discharges this time last year now demonizing Levin for even suggesting a freeze by Congress.
Again, AS IF, Levin is in a position to pass repeal but, for some reason beyond their ability to explain …including how they suddenly TRUST the long-documented enemies of repeal in the Pentagon but suddenly DIStrust a long-documented advocate for repeal like Levin…is CHOOSING not to.
Trust me, I get that the more one is betrayed as we have been over the last year the more likely one is to expect it…but we’re indicting the wrong suspects while acquitting others with the real blood of delay and betrayal of gay servicemembers on their hands, imagining sweet-talking enemies as friends and realistic friends as enemies.
SO, what can we do?
Ask Levin to identify those Senators by name on the Senate Armed Services Committee who have indicated they would not vote for repeal. DC Agenda attempted a couple of weeks ago to identify them, getting, at best, noncommittals from Mark Begich (D-Alaska), Susan Collins (R-Maine), Jim Webb (D-Va.), and Ben Nelson (D-Neb.).
Begich and Collins expressed support for some kind of freeze, whereas what Webb said and what Nelson didn’t say makes their opposition to repeal or a freeze pretty transparent.
How do we change enough minds? We need to return to shutting off the GayTM…and maybe…by understanding what is REALLY going on and not what gay and mainstream media keep misreporting…enough will join us [including Republican DADT opponents in Collins' Maine] to get us something more than smile fucked this time.
Webb just doesn’t have the balls ….
…to say, “Repeal over my dead body!”
Read between the lines of what he said the day Gates and Mullen did their bait and switch act er testified:
TRANSLATION: I support your delaying us until after midterm elections when my fag-loving colleagues will have lost too many seats in Congress to make repeal happen.
a rebuke from the PMGordon Brown, of all people, weighs in. I’m using this hyperlink because it also connects us to the death of an LGBT soldier, U.S., in battle. We’ve already given the last full measure of devotion, and it’s interesting that the UK recognizes this more readily.
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/…
This stinks of Rahm Emmanuel and Pelosi and Reid and ObamaI’d wager all I own they won’t vote on DADT until after 2010 election. Rahm is a cowardly Clinton centrist, and Pelosi already told House Democrats she wouldn’t have any controversial votes before the election (for gays/lesbians or for Immigration reform.) It’s such a defeatist attitude, and it will ensure a self inflicted wound on Democrats, as Democratic voters BORED and ANGERED at them don’t fund or volunteer, some may not even vote.
2010 election will be a TRAIN WRECK and we won’t be able to not look at it.