BLEND EXCLUSIVE: Trial analysis by the National Center For Lesbian Rights‘ (NCLR’s) Shannon Minter.
Today was one of the most dramatic days of the trial, with startling admissions by the proponents’ two expert witnesses: Professor Kenneth Miller, testifying about the political power of gay people, and David Blankenhorn, testifying about the purposes of marriage.
The morning began with the conclusion of David Boies’s cross-examination of Professor Miller. Boies confronted Prof. Miller with several of Prof. Miller’s own earlier writings, which were highly critical of the ballot initiative process and particularly highlighted the risk that majorities will use the initiative process to target minority groups. Prof. Miller admitted that ballot measures can, and have, drawn upon anti-minority sentiment. Indeed, one of Prof. Miller’s own articles cited Proposition 22, the California initiative prohibiting marriage for same-sex couples that passed in 2000, as an example of such an anti-minority initiative.
Following the conclusion of Prof. Miller’s testimony, the afternoon was taken up by questioning of the proponents’ final witness, David Blankenhorn, the president of a private think tank called the Institute for American Values. Blankenhorn is best known as the author of a book called Fatherless America, in which he argued that fatherlessness is “the most harmful demographic trend of this generation” and the leading cause of “our most urgent social problems, from crime to adolescent pregnancy to child sexual abuse to domestic violence against women.” Blankenhorn is also one of the most visible and culturally influential opponents of marriage for same-sex couples.
The Prop 8 proponents asked Judge Walker to accept Blankenhorn as an expert in marriage, fatherhood, and family structures. But as plaintiffs’ attorney David Boies quickly made clear in his initial questioning, Blankenhorn lacked the usual qualifications for an expert witness in those areas. He has a bachelor’s degree in social science from Harvard and a master’s in the unrelated field of labor history from the University of Warwick in Coventry, England. He has no academic affiliation and has never taught at a college or university, and he has authored only two peer-reviewed publications, neither of which addressed marriage for same-sex couples. Judge Walker permitted Blankenhorn to testify, but noted that he might have ruled differently if this were a jury trial.
Charles Cooper (the lead attorney for the proponents) led Blankenhorn through what seemed to be a highly scripted presentation. Blankenhorn argued that the concept of marriage as “a socially approved sexual union between a man and a woman” is a “universal” definition that exists in every culture. He said the primary purpose of marriage is to make it as likely as possible that children will be raised by their biological parents.
Blankenhorn testified that he is opposed to allowing same-sex couples to marry because, in his view, that would promote the idea that the purpose of marriage is to serve the needs of adults rather than children. He also claimed that permitting same-sex couples to marry will lead to reduced rates of marriage by heterosexual people, higher rates of divorce, and more children born out of wedlock.
Blankenhorn did not claim to have any scientific data supporting that belief. Instead, he argued that letting same-sex couples marry might contribute to the “deinstitutionalization” of marriage, which he defined (rather vaguely) as any change that weakens “the rules” of marriage. He testified that marriage is a social institution, like baseball, and that when the rules are changed, fewer people will want to play. Blankenhorn stressed that he could not be sure that letting same-sex couples marry would have that effect, but he feared that it would.
Blankenhorn also noted that he supports domestic partnerships for same-sex couples as “a humane compromise.” In the past, he explained, he had not given the issue of domestic partnership much thought. But after being challenged by Jonathan Rausch (a conservative gay author) in 2007, he concluded that even if providing domestic partnership for same-sex couples might also contribute to the deinstitutionalization of marriage, considerations of fairness made it worth the risk.
For the last hour of the day, plaintiffs’ attorney David Boies began what is sure to be a dramatic and grueling cross-examination. Repeatedly, Blankenhorn bridled at Boies’s questions and often refused to answer them, leading to several interventions by Judge Walker instructing Blankenhorn to respond. The bulk of the cross-examination is still to come tomorrow, but thus far, Blankenhorn has acknowledged that letting same-sex couples marry would be beneficial to the couples and their children. He also admitted that there are no studies showing that children of same-sex couples are worse off than children raised by heterosexual parents.
Tomorrow will be the last day on which evidence will be presented. Judge Walker has announced that he will then take a few weeks to review the evidence before scheduling closing arguments in the case.
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19 Comments



Thanks, to Shannon et al..Was looking for that last hour, but TEDDY of FDL may be ‘saving’ it for tomorrow.
Thanks again to all covering this….
DO SO WISH someone could TAPE the closing Arguments for us.
(Clandestinely. even ……no I didn’t say that.)
‘Universal’?Interesting.
In many cultures — including Old Testament Jewish kingdoms, the rulers often had dozens of wives and hundreds, if not thousands of courtesans.
Indian (asian) culture in the Upanishads and Ramayanas routinely had rulers with many wives and lovers.
More recently, the Mormon faith was based upon the practice of polygamy — which is still practiced secretly by some groups today.
In some Pacific islands, it is women who have many husbands, for the women own the land while the men have the sea.
And many, many cultures recognize that genders are not necessarily a strict and unchanging dichotomy.
Near as I can tell, the single most damaging thing to families here in America is that we no longer recognize in any legal or prevailing societal fashion those families which are not Ozzie & Harriet nuclear ones. We have become the opposite of freedom, and the opposite of diverse.
Pulease, one need not go back so far or so fringe in historyWhat about the European tradition of apprenticeship which transferred parental authority to skilled labor? Or the fact that most tribal entities raise their children not in nuclear families but in cultural and community units. Not only is this guy no expert he is sounds like he was only about a “C” student in social studies at best!
What I do find unbelievable about the trial are the “expert” witnesses who have actually already acknowledged in past writings what they want everyone in court to ignore: “pay no attention to that little man behind the curtain”. That and the reporting of the Yes on 8 campaign tweets which seem to ignore everything being done in court and continue to push their agenda while questioning the sanity and motives of the judge and the prosecuting attorneys!
MY only hope is that the recording the judge elected to keep for the trial will eventually be seen by the full 9th circuit and by the Supreme Court. Props to Judge Walker for finding a big enough legal loophole to drive his agenda of recording the trial through! How many of us wish we had a record like this of Loving, Plessy, Lawrence, or Brown! Good stuff
“He testified that marriage is a social institution, like baseball, and that when the rules are changed, fewer people will want to play.”1. When the rule change is to let more people play, then isn’t it just possible that more people will play?
2. Unless he’s claiming that there are heterosexuals who will quit marriage out of spite if gay couples are allowed onto the team. (Please let him be asked that). And if there are, they can’t think that much of marriage anyway.
3. Is baseball actually a social institution? That seems excessive for a sport.
It’s there but no direct linkThere isn’t a link to it on the main page, but there is a link to it in the comments from the early afternoon.
http://seminal.firedoglake.com…
Are we being objective here?I find it very difficult to credit that the Defence could be so weak. Weak? Non-Existent!
Mr Minter’s credentials and experience are impeccable. His judgement provably sound. I can’t imagine him seriously believing what he wants to believe, rather than what is. I think his natural instincts would be to be slightly biased in his reporting against the Plaintiff, as under-estimating one’s opponents is far worse than mildly over-estimating them.
So I have some cognitive dissonance here.
That’s not to say the plaintiffs will win. I’ve seen far too many cases in legal databases where the most arrantly stupid, brain-dead and contrarian decisions have been rendered by the judiciary.
But I’ve seen far more that were rational, and just about as many truly insightful ones as idiotic ones.
What about Canada, now?Universal definition.
Except in the places where it isn’t – like Canada, Parts of Europe, Mexico City, etc?
Why should we go back in history to find examples when all we have to do is look around right now?
Actually, he even said the reverse.At one point, he actually came out and made the point that in his researches, he had tried to find evidence that straight people were getting married out of hatred for gay people, but couldn’t find any. And repeated that he had looked very hard for it.
Somehow, though, the idea that straights marry for their own reasons independent of their dislike of gay people doesn’t translate into the idea that if gay people can marry, they will continue not to care.
Sorry. We’ve been reading along.He’s not only being objective, he is being gracious. We’ve been following the liveblogging, and many of us are subsequently following up a day or so later reading the actual official trial transcripts that are being put up.
What the defense is doing is nothing short of bizarre. Their witnesses have been looking like incompetents, and truly have been repeatedly making points that most of us feel support the plaintiffs rather than the defense.
The one witness refused to interpret the meaning of his own writing when faced with a quote from a document he himself submitted for consideration as an expert witness. He actually said that he wasn’t sure what it meant, but that he agreed with it in part, but not in other parts. Something he himself wrote and published recently.
Several of them have been forced to admit that they have never studied same-sex couples in terms of how it relates to their field, but still have strong opinions on it all.
One of the “experts” admitted that as recently as the deposition process (pre-trial part where the lawyers examine a witness under oath to get their testimony) that he had no knowledge of a lot of basic information relating to his “expertise” as regards gay history, gay people, studies of same-sex couples, etc, and had at the time never done any studies or published any work on it, but since then, he’s been doing some reading on the Internet and is confident he could write an article now.
And these are the people the DEFENSE called as expert witnesses!
Universal also seems to be mostly based on the Abrahamicreligions rather than any other cultural differences. Apparently those of the East or pagan cultures don’t matter in describing universal.
That’s because they are not counting on logic or facts or lawto win when the S.Ct. if this cases reaches them. They are counting on what this has always been about: Bigotry of those voting.
Hey ZoeB: the religious right take is……is visible at from Kim Trobee, and editor at CitizenLink (a Focus On The Family affiliate). From their article Lawyers for the California Marriage Amendment Make Their Case; Defense witness refutes the claim that gays and lesbians are “politically powerless.” (emphasis added):
So, there’s the other side’s take on this.
Case in point: JacobHe had two wives, his first cousins Leah and Rachel, who were both daughters of his uncle Laban. He had children with them and with his wives’ servants Zipah and Bilhah — who were NOT his wives, not even his concubines.
Then there is my favorite bit out of the New Testament where, in I Timothy 3, Paul mandates that only bishops and deacons (the order of priest evolved later) were required to be “the husband of one wife” (verses 2 and 12.) The implication is that non-clergy were NOT required to be in a one man-one woman marriage, as no such mandate is layed out for lay people.
Thanks, Shannon!I really appreciate you summing these days up for us.
I’m really surprised that an “expert” can get up there and make statements without having one shread of evidence behind it.
His comment about “fearing” the deinstitutionalization of marriage if we given equality sounds like so many anti-gay people I know. They fear it/us but have no basis for that fear. It’s just some scary unknown for them.
I doubt heterosexual divorces will go up significantly. There may be a handful that will divorce but that’ll probably be because there’s no reason to stay in a sham marriage when you don’t love the person you married but felt compelled by social pressure to do so. That’s probably the deinstitutionalization they fear. No more sham marriages or people feeling forced to live a lie and stay in the closet. You’d think they’d welcome us marrying our own and thus reducing the desire to commit adultery just to feel fulfilled, but nope, they’d prefer that we’re miserable and lower than them. That’s really their ultimate goal. God forbid that we’d ever be seen as just as good or bad as them!!!
Blankenhorn’s reasoningSo, if in Blankenhorn’s view, marriage is primarily for the raising of children (love has nothing to do with it), then doesn’t that raise the issue of straight couples who choose not to procreate or who can’t being banned from marriage?
He also states that the “institution” of marriage in every culture is one man and one woman. NOT! He hasn’t looked at Islamic cultures where polygamy is acceptable.
Has he ever contacted the governments of Holland, Belgium, Spain, Norway, Sweden, South Africa and asked for the evidence of the effects of same-sex marriage on straight marriage and divorce? How would he explain the rising incidence of divorce prior to same-sex marriage being allowed anywhere? Its amazing that the defense would allow this fool to testify without any hard evidence to back up his claims on marriage and raising children.
I have a gut feeling the judge will rule in favor of overturning Prop. 8 if this is how they’re representing themselves.
transcripts are availablei know it’s not as much fun as a tape, but full transcripts are available here. good reading!
not sure i follow what you’re saying, but…if you want to decide for yourself if the defense is as bad as it seems, read the trial transcripts and judge for yourself.
as for excellent cases being torpedoed by bigoted judges, oh yes, there’s plenty of that sort of history here in the united states. it might be a precedent that this supreme court actually honors.
As in Washington’s Initiative 957?Wikipedia article
Text of I-957, as filed with Washington Secretary of State
I expect that Blankenhorn would have responded to I-957 the way most of the rightards responded to I-957: to sputter about how a man with a vastectomy can be married to a woman with no uterus because they might have a child, and anyway, their rhetoric about marriage and children applies only to same-sex couples.
Sham MarriagesOne should care about the straight partner in the sham mixed-gender marriage too. Aren’t they miserable as well.
Wouldn’t allowing gays to same-gender marry make it less likely that a straight partner, marrying in good faith, would end up deceived by a gay opposite gender partner who was going through with what was expected?
Allowing the gays to marry each other should make mixed-gender marriage even stronger!