One source said LGBT leaders had sent “strong signals” to the White House that they want repeal to happen this year and that there would be “repercussions” if it did not. The source would not say what form those repercussions might take.
– from Kerry Eleveld’s article, “Activists Call Urgent “Don’t Ask/Tell” Meeting“
Now I’m kind of concerned that Big Gay is out there issuing ultimatums on our behalf, because I’m sure you don’t want to see our movement go down in flames when the Obama admin and Congress jerk us around again — and there are no repurcussions of significance.
I think it’s ironic when the gay netroots have been calling for action for a long time (The “No Excuses” theme regarding action on our issues was not created in HRC’s shop, btw) and have been chastised endlessly for the lack of patience — “he’s only been in office __ months.” Well now our leaders are pissed, (and, now many progressives as well) about getting the shaft by Congress and the White House. They are late to the game.
We sad little know-nothings in Cheetos-stained pajamas saw this coming, but hey — we’re just rubes, politically unsophisticated, you know. Just not smart enough to understand how it all works.
Well, thankfully our movement’s movers and shakers are finally waking up to political reality — the cocktails for a few came along with a big “talk to the hand” for everyone else. Our community (or rather, those who do have access) must be seen seen as easy to buy off and stall.
Our movement has wasted the opening months of this administration trying to denigrate voices from the outside who knew our civil rights were going to get backburnered because of 1) health care, 2) the endless military debacles, 3) all other progressive causes waiting in line that have been out in the cold for years. The only way to move ahead in the line when it comes to civil rights and a group — LGBTs — is to stop the glad handing and to have a plan, not fret over the gay netroots.
The bottom line is that LGBT rights are not seen by the vast majority of potential allies as worthy of moving up the action chain because of the baseless perception that we are a political liability for elected officials and not really hurting. The black tie gladhanding is not seen as any indicator that hardball politics is going to be played. These elected officials drained our ATM to get elected. They work for us. The shuffling and tap dancing time is over, people.
And so there was the emergency meeting (as John Aravosis noted, was not organized by these groups, but by a third unnamed party). Kerry:
The two-hour long meeting was unusual in that it assembled the advisers to major LGBT political donors from outside the Beltway such as Tim Gill, Jon Stryker and David Bohnett alongside DC-based lobby groups such as HRC, Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, the Center for American Progress, and The Palm Center as well as lobbyists with ties to the White House and Congress.The gathering resulted from a growing sense of urgency that 2010 is a make-or-break moment for repealing the military’s gay ban and that the White House would likely make a decision about how to move forward on “don’t ask, don’t tell” sometime in the next several weeks.
Participants declined to discuss specific strategy with The Advocate but said they mulled over how LGBT leaders would move forward if the White House decided to make a strong push for repeal or, alternatively, if it took a pass on the issue this year.
And after that, the whole “repurcussions” quote came up. There’s no need to keep this a secret — what, pray tell, will our institutional leaders do when the WH and Congress take the football away as our peeps try to kick it?
John:
In contrast to past statements from gay groups and administration officials that “there is a plan” with regards to the President’s gay rights promises, including DADT, the secret meeting (and the Times article) both made clear that there still is no plan at all.Both the meeting and the Times article confirm that the White House has not even decided if it will push for the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, let alone what exactly it will push for for, if anything (as noted in the Times article, the Pentagon is even considering whether a “separate but equal” policy should be adopted). The hope is that the White House will come to a decision and announce what, if anything, it is going to do about moving forward on the repeal of DADT sometime in the next month or two. But the groups have no idea what the White House is going to decide, or when it will decide, and therefore cannot and will not endorse an all-out campaign to support the repeal of DADT until the White House makes up its mind.
The unnamed source John spoke to clearly indicates the White House is calling all of the shots here, and is flexing its muscle to shut criticism down.
Maybe I can just make up a plan. Will we get the memo when it’s time to “do something” when nothing passes in 2010?
Some attendees expressed guarded optimism during the meeting because many in the room had “been guaranteed that this is a priority for the president” — some by President Obama himself and others by some of his top advisors. But one source weighed that against the fact that health reform was also a top priority for the administration and its passage has not gone smoothly. “There’s an awful lot of distance between something a president says and actually making it come to light,” said the source.Another hurdle, many felt, was that although advisers like White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations Jim Messina, Director of the Office of Political Affairs Patrick Gaspard, and Director of Domestic Policy Council Melody Barnes are viewed as pro-LGBT, there’s really no single power broker in the White House who’s consistently pulling for LGBT issues.
OK. I have to ask a question here. Where has Brian Bond, the Deputy Director of the White House Office of Public Engagement (aka the LGBT liaison) been during all of this? He’s nowhere in this piece and he’s supposed to be the Obama administration’s primary contact with our orgs all this time. (BTW, Brian never did get back to me about any further WH plans to interact with LGBT New Media/citizen journalists, as the WH has with other interest-group media. Take what you want from that. )
This does raise a broader, more structural problem about our connections to the White House, since there are allegedly so many pro-LGBT people on staff – what is has been done to facilitate action so that it didn’t come to this point?
You’d have thought our leaders would have been incensed earlier on, given the dodging and polite screwing our community received in 2009. Suddenly there is an epiphany? We’ve been watching all the way here in the coffeehouse, seeing the quotes of commitment, promises of action and general platitudes about how important civil rights is to this administration. We’ve also seen FAIL-worthy DOMA defenses, completely insulting press conferences where ignorance of the status of our issues has become a broken record.
Whatever maneuvers were going on behind the scenes over the last months to solidify a plan of action on LGBT legislation, it didn’t work. On the Hill, too many of the spines are weak, scared of the Blue Dogs that they will never get pro-gay votes out of, not calling for action to get LGBTs to call their fence sitting pols to move.
None of this is news. I’m glad these folks, who do have a form of recognized power, got together to strategize, but the downward spiral of effectiveness has been going on for months now. Where is the game plan — there’s so little time to do anything bold — that’s what you do early on. Now it will be hold on for the 2010 elections, then the run up to Obama’s re-election. Our issues are not seen as a priority, only a liability (and I think it’s BS, but assume it’s true) — our people on the inside have not made the case to move legislation forward with enough vigor to withstand the inertia in DC to go along and get along and keep the money flowing and keep controversy low.
It’s time to stop putting activism into silos and use all the resources (and I’m not talking money) to engage in this fight for equality, and set the egos aside for a change.
Readers — are you holding your breath on that one?



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Long overdueOne thing that has always impressed me about the black civil rights movement is the distance that King and other black civil rights leaders actually maintained from the Kennedy and Johnson Administrations. In the past I’ve called it an “oppositional” stance but that’s not quite the word for it (indeed Malcolm X thought that they were “house negros”)…I’m not sure what is
I would have thought that instead of pithy quotes here and there, Gay Inc. would realize that for all their access, that (as Frederick Douglass stated, I believe) power concedes nothing without a demand. Instead, they have been advocating for the Administration and the Democratic Party instead of the community that they allegedly represent.
This Administration is not our friend (and I’m not saying that the Rethugs are, heaven forbid) nor have I ever really thought that they should be. Government institutions are not structured that way, really. I’ve never been confused about that or the rhetoric and the blather coming from the campaign and now administration of Barack Obama or of Gay Inc.
This is the old ropa=dopeGet all the big players together to make it look like there will be something attempted and then find a really good reason to claim that such a hill is too big to conquer at this time. The real question on the table is how can they both put DADT off and get the support flowing again for the DNC? The “emergency” is that Massachusetts is showing them that they need an edge i they don’t want to lose power early on in 2010 throughout the congress.
We are not a big community but they don’t need a big community to counter the sucker independents currently listening to the siren song of the Tea bag movement to their own detriment. But they can’t hold our agenda hostage and hope that we will some how lose our minds and jump into the breach while they once again shrug their shoulders and plan to put off real change for another 18 months, 2 years, or even the end of a hopeful second term. No, if this is going to be a Titanic year then we go for the life boats and leave the DNC to play on as their so called unsinkable beast rushes to the bottom. If the prop 8 trial has taught us anything it has taught us that there are still surprise advocates and people we can work with to get our rights in front of everyone without the help of the cowardly DNC Administration.
Seriously, not even a command for the Joint Chiefs to study the issue and create even one scenario where they could implement equality into the military?!? Commander and Chief my ass.
I’m in awe. Really.A bunch of people got together at “Useless Asskissers R’ Us” headquarters to hold a meeting, after well over a year of our remorseless fucking-over and denigration by their appointed Savior. Wow. How powerful, what a show of strength. Whatever WILL they think of next?
Well…Seems like a bunch of political theater on all sides (except grassroots) to me. My view is that everyone knew that the White House only had plans to tackle one major LGBT issue a year. Hate Crimes was last year. DADT this year. ENDA the following. Call it a divide and conquer strategy. Of course they run the risk of only dividing support for them in 2010 and 2012.
This is not rocket science. There is no need for all the hoopla if you just hit them where it hurts. The pocketbook. Every time I get something from the DNC my response is…
“You get no money from me until a major LGBT issue is passed. I made a one time donation after Hate Crimes and I will make another after DADT. Until then, I will focus on individual politicians who have my best interests at heart.”
And of course, I pay particular attention to Senate politics. Let’s be honest about it, because of the dysfunctional nature of that branch of the government our cause and our country has been held back.
It’s not just that“Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.”
This type of thing is exactly what happened under Clinton. And it’s been happening under Obama.
Maybe the collective donations of Gay Inc. have fallen seriously off…who knows
“Maybe I can just make up a plan.”Yes you should. I think that “We sad little know-nothings in Cheetos-stained pajamas” should write up a plan of action. If nothing else we can at minimum list the repercussions that we feel would motive our “Feirce Advocate” to shine his bright light in our direction.
Yes WE can.
The difference from King and Civil Rights movement is the level of commitmentWhen Civil Rights leaders threatened a major march or boycott….they followed through.
I don’t think a contemporary audience really understands how deplorable conditions were for Blacks attempting the Poor People’s March. They couldn’t rent hotel rooms, in many towns they weren’t allowed to use public restrooms.
OUTSIDE ACT UP when we were literally dying in the streets, we haven’tshown much follow through, and if it’s difficult or bothersome….uh…not so much. If LGBTs were serious about our Rights we could shut down a major city with Civil Disobedience….daily.
I believe the difference is…
…that there was a much longer history of blacks being consulted about their rights [if rarely listened to] or at least recognized and respected by some white politicians, going back at least to Booker T. Washington and, a lesser degree, George Washington Carter after the turn of the last century. Add figures such as Mary McLeod Bethune, a member of FDR’s “Black Cabinet,” and A. Philipp Randolph whose threat of a march on Washington forced FDR to integrate WWII defense industries yet helped convince Truman to move forward with racially integrating the military by executive order when Congress refused.
But, by the time Bayard Rustin inspired Martin Luther King, Jr., to form the Southern Christian Leadership Conference because of the resistance by the NAACP to direct action, the newer generation recognized that mostly “wishin’ & hopin’” had exhausted itself and chose to add increased pressure on government from the outside to the efforts of those on the inside.
By contrast, Nancy Reagan’s gay pocket poodles aside,it wasn’t until THIRTY YEARS after the “I have a dream” march on DC that out gays with political resumes and goals were made a part of a Presidential administration….yes, folks, by the alleged antigay AntiChrist himself, Bill Clinton. I’ve thrown up in my mouth a little every time some Obama disciple defends him by pointing out his gay appointees without understanding that not only was he not the first but some of them are the SAME gays Clinton hired. [But fewer of those today have gay rights activism histories.]
And, yes, while this meeting was long overdue, at least it happened. One of the main reasons we lost the battle in 1993 is that even after we recognized that the ship of change was quickly sinking while we followed White House instructions to stay quiet and trust them [the same tactic used with some by Obama Inc.] the effort to organize gay lobbying to counter the massive homohating campaign being led by the Four Horsemen of the DADT Apocalypse [Powell/Dole/Nunn/Moskos] was mortally undermined by fear of some existing groups that they would lose “turf.”
While not doubting that some of that self-serving nonsense is in the mix today, and shocked that there are some still clicking their ruby heels together chirping, “There’s no one like Obama! There’s no one like Obama!” one is optimistic…primarily because it involved groups that have, heretofore, competed with each other to own the DADT ball and, more importantly the presence of some of the gay Big Donors whose boycott of the June DNC fundraiser at least resulted in the now infamous White House tea. A united front might still evolve with enough combined clout to force the issue eventually. BUT it will only happen if WE keep demanding escalation by ALL these groups in the war against the dinosaurs which, itself, can only succeed by denying even more LGBT dollars to the DNC and, most importantly, FINALLY taking the fight to the American public IN THE NAME OF NATIONAL SECURITY in an organized way!
Americans, regardless of what they tell pollsters, will only become INVOLVED in ending DADT if they see that involvement as benefitting THEIR OWN and their families’ security.
PHOTO: Pentagon protest, July 31, 1965.
Yep.
And, frankly, I don’t see that happening in “gay meccas” like…say, New York, LA, San Francisco, Boston, etc.
Maybe I could see that happening in some parts of the South.
another differenceOur leaders (such as they are)don’t LEAD, and ask nothing from gays and lesbians except to write a check.
Yep.This gay leadership is very much like the black civil rights leadership of the 1930′s and 1940′s. They had the access but FDR couldn’t overcome the Southern Democrats in the Senate on so simple a bill as an anti-lynching bill.
and the growing frustration led to this…
So, are we reeeeeally at this point? Because I believe that Gay Inc. will continue to do what they do best…
It’s overWe are not going to see a DADT or an ENDA passed. The GOP is going to have its 41 votes in the Senate probably next Tuesday or at best this fall. After that, Obama’s term is effectively over for new initiatives. He will certainly be a better day to day administrator of the government than any of the Republican idiots would be. He will appoint people that would be far better than anything the GOP coughed up. But he’s not going to be advancing anything at all, nevermind something for the GLBT community.
Just don’t bother. Save your money and hope we can emigrate before the GOP gets a 50%+1 majority and crams through another shift to the right which the Democrats won’t filibuster because it just wouldn’t be sporting.
We are both beneficiaries & victims of our own invisibility…
If as many “blacks” “passed” for white as gays pass for straight, their civil rights movement would have remained as impotent overall as ours. Singer Marian Anderson was denied use of [ironically] Constitution Hall because she couldn’t pass. Rosa Parks was told to give up her seat because she couldn’t. Eartha Kitt was kicked out of the whites only park across from the hotel she was being allowed to stay at in apartheid South Africa because she couldn’t. Not for nothing most LGBTs one hears about being physically attacked [beyond gay-identifed areas] can’t “pass.”
How many gays were discharged from the military during WWII? Less than 10,000. How many likely served: at least hundreds of thousands. How many were discharged in 2009? Around 650. How many other gay servicemembers were there-an estimated 65,000. [And, NO, they'll never come out en masse.]
Victor Fehrenbach has served in secret for 19-yrs. before an apparent psycho outed him and virtually coerced the Air Force into discharging one of their best pilots.
One rarely hears it anymore but in the early days of the post Mattachine-era movement in the U.S., it was often said, “If only every gay person woke up tomorrow and was purple [lavender, whatever] the world would recognize how many there are of us and be forced to give us equality.”
I have never passed but don’t expect to ever see purple people.
We just have to face the fact that the fight for our rights as a minority will always be led by an even tinier minority among us. Some will be great, others terrible, and most somewhere in-between, and they will have to try to operate on budgets subatomic compared to not just our community’s combined wealth but the individual wealth of various out gay individuals, e.g., Ellen, Rosie, Elton….
The ONLY power we have is to choose to try to identify which groups are better and support them in every way we can.
Right again, but…God, this thought about “The Purple People Eaters” just came to mind but I digress…
Beneficiaries, yes, but…I believe that each and every last GLBT has internalized so much homophobia that the internal damage is sever; I think the Prop 8 trial is getting at some of it but I think that it’s a really bad problem in our community. Worse than internalized racism for black Americans, IMO.
Me too, I’ve never been able to pass as straight, really.
you are right kathygnomeit is over. obama isn’t evil or awful but nothing is going to happen. no one is going to spend political capital on us. ’we’ gave them all the people they need to effect change and we are getting more of the same. big mistake to raise hopes and then not follow through. people are not rational and they will not show up and vote even when it is in their best interest, especially democrats. i pretty much figure we are on our own now and i think looking at where to emigrate to is a stellar idea. other countries won’t let me die on the street homeless and without health care. i won’t declare allegience to any country; i’ll just go where i’m more welcome. mom always said, ‘honey, why would you want to go where you are not welcome?’ why indeed.
we’re not aloneIt’s not like we’re alone. The banks are going to get off the hook. We’re not going to have serious infrastructure renewal. We’re not going to have serious reallocation of taxation between the ultra-wealthy and everyone else to balance the budget and pay off our debt.
It’s like Clinton all over again. A competent but uninspiring administrator who will do a generally good job, and let’s be honest is in every way superior to a Republican, but in no way will fix anything. Just a 4 or 8 year breather between hardline right wingers.
I’m remindedof this joke:
A young man joins a law firm, where his dad has been a named partner for years. Within a month, he proudly closes his first case.
Next morning his dad marches into his office screaming, “What on earth were you think, closing the Peterson file? I’ve built that case for over thirty years! That was your retirement fund!“
A month ago Pelosi promised Dems in the House no controvercial votesNOTHING for Latin@s on Immigration, and NOTHING for LGBTs on repealing DADT or DOMA or passing an inclusive ENDA. So it’s not just a cowardly president, the cowardice goes MUCH DEEPER.
It doesn’t much matter to mewhether Obama is “our friend” or not. What matters to me is that he’s supposed to be a “friend” to the constitution. As Nat Hentoff points out in his current Village Voice essay (titled “George W. Obama” http://www.villagevoice.com/20… Well worth a read) it’s easy to wonder whose constitution Obama was teaching back when he was a professor. China’s? Korea’s? Uganda’s?
It bothers me as a gay man that he keeps defending DADT and DOMA. But it bothers me even more as an American that he is so demonstrably committed to such blatantly unconstitutional policies (among a great many others).
And…And they will take the debacle in Massachusetts as a sign that they should move to the right rather than as a sign that we’re all disgusted with them for not going far enough to the left.
You have to admit, though,that it’s kind of cute that they’re threatening “repercussions.” Can you imagine Solmonese actually doing anything that might jeopardize his invitation to the next White House black tie reception?
Most of the movers and shakers at Gay Inc. (Hillary Rosen springs to mind) have gone on record as opposing any financial boycott of the DNC, much less a voting boycott. I really want to know what repercussions they can threaten that would have more impact than those.
Oh–wait, I have it! Next time Obama spills a cocktail, they’ll refuse to lick it up off his shoe. That’ll show him!
Exactly
It starts with the simplicity of the Pleasure/Pain Principle…
…years before one has remotely heard of the concepts of personal integrity…just as I was called “queer” even before I knew what a “queer was…as one sees what kinds of people get approval and acts accordingly [or at least trys to be invisible]. And affects all facets of our evolving self-image, e.g, the lyric from A Chorus Line:
The race variation been dramatized at various times such as the twice-filmed Imitation of Life in which an African American girl enjoys the benefits of passing as white [the original 1934 version, complete with white Claudette Colbert getting rich off of black "Aunt Delilah's Pancakes" has to be seen to be believed. At least in that film the light-skinned daughter was played by an actual African-American, Fredi Washington, whose career was stymied when she REFUSED to pass for white roles. The daughter in the 1959 version was played by half Mexican/half Czech Susan Kohner but at least they featured Mahalia wailing at the climactic funeral of the long suffering black mother.
A well-intentioned, much more serious gay variation is at the core of the plot of the play/movie Bent in which a gay man pretends to just be a Jew to the Nazis even as he's forced to watch his boyfriend beaten to death.
Haven't seen a production of the play [which starred Richard Gere on Broadway...remember when everyone insisted he's gay...before he spent thousands of dollars for a newspaper ad denying it] but I can only recommend the horribly directed movie for the morally triumphant if deadly ending [even if it does star my unrequited husband Clive Owen].
At the moment, I can’t think of another major film that seriously deals with the subject of actively passing [versus simple denial/late coming out like Brokeback and the terrible Far From Heaven, tho TV series have tackled it, notably Cold Case], but it would still be worth dramatizing.
Anyone with $40 million to produce Imitation of Mark Foley?
I thought that was the idea of the latest March on Washington. Those attending got an ego boost from being on stage, but actually the effort fizzled.
Instead of the focus being on Julian Bond a great leader the organizers went for Lady GaGa. Can’t compare gay rights with black civil rights in respect to a march.
You HJave to Fight, For Your Rights!Gay Inc has been clueless and sucked for years. Only NOW does it become crystal clear that they have no inkling of what they are doing or whats going on. It’s time to disregard them completely and for us to take to the streets and DEMAND OUR RIGHTS.
Civil Rights throughout History were fought for and won, not given.
It’s time to stop being nice. It’s time to to call for pickets and civil disobedience.
Why there are not pickets and protests at the White House and Capitial 24×7 is beyond me.
I think we need to remember……what it was like for gay and lesbian service members before DADT. At least DADT put some sort of system in place that backhandedly allowed gays and lesbians to serve so long as they stayed deeply closeted. There have been huge abuses in the DADT system, but it was and is better than what went before, what with gays and lesbians being dishonorably discharged just for being gay.
I don’t think that there should be a repeal of DADT unless it’s replaced with a affirmative law that says that the military is not to discriminate against service members on the basis of sexual orientation. Period.
I’m afraid that without that blanket protection things will get worse, not better, for gays and lesbians in the military if DADT is repealed without replacing it with protections.
DADT Is A Joke And Insulting And Always Has Been
TThink about it.
Lesbians and Gays can serve under DADT as long as they doin’t come out and tell anyone and then if they do they are discharged. But also if someone else finds out and tells the Gay and Lesbian Service person is also discharged.
Now whats the difference in that and the Gays and lesbians who served in silence in WW1, WW2, Korea, and VietNam. As long as nobody knew they could serve.
DADT was put into place to make us “feel” like we gained some ground. But we didn’t
With respect, Tom…
…you’re only somewhat correct. The policy doesn’t require just being “deeply closeted,” it requires one to be TOTALLY closeted.
Say someone in your unit accuses you of being gay just as a joke, or to get even with you for whatever, not even actually believing you are. If an investigation is opened and they somehow discover that you told your own mother, but you’ve never acted on it, you’re still a total virgin, that’s grounds for being discharged.
And the availability of Honorable discharge characterizations did not begin with DADT but were partly influenced by the high profile case of Leonard Matlovich who received same in 1975 [some histories erroneously assert it was the result of his lawsuit] and formally dated to the results of a DOD study group in 1978 during the Carter Administration, finally ordered by Deputy Secty of Defense W. Graham Claytor, Jr., in 1981 that, in the absence of “aggravating circumstances” [e.g., being caught having sex on base] gays should receive Honorable discharges. [Unfortunately, he was also the author of the notorious "123 Words" which both eliminated the then-existing if nebulous possible exceptions to discharge and is still quoted today in DADT.]
There was resistance in 1981 to the softened policy and some commanders still try to get servicemembers to accept a mere General discharge which disqualifies one from educational ["G.I. Bill"] benefits.
DADT is a charade and must be opposed as unequivocably as discharges were during WWII when one could be first locked up in a military mental hospital and then sent home in disgrace with a “blue discharge.”
And, for the record, the repeal bill in the House of Representatives, would simultaneously establish an explicit policy of nonsdiscrimination against gays in the services.
PS:
Even with an Honorable discharge, one can suffer other severe costs of the ban.
Anthony Woods was forced to repay a $35,000 Army scholarship.
And Victor Fehrenbach, on the verge of retirement stands to lose tens of thousands of dollars in benefits had he been allowed to complete 20 years.
Nothing new to see here but I appreciate the reporting PamLike you and others have repeatedly stated, the tea leaves were sitting at the bottom of the cup waiting only to be ‘read’. So why the emergency meeting? Because these asses knew the score on the Obama administration all along but simply did not count on the GLBTQ backlash.
I for one really am so fed up by the Obama administration, the DNC, and all the up your ass ‘gay’ organizations such as the HRC who do nothing for the GLBTQ community except collect checks and throw lame cocktail parties.
I hate to say this but it increasing looks like Palin and the christianists actually have a chance to win in 2012 and all the above groups have this potential legacy on their hands. Bottom line, these groups have shit upon the progressives who got them into power and into their nice buildings on K street.
I for one am sitting 2010 elections out and unless these jerk offs don’t do a 180 soon, I will sit out 2012 as well. The way I figure it perhaps the whole country needs to hit bottom before it ever has a chance of recovery. All of my former dedicated support of 30 + years given toall the groups mentioned before has not paid off one bit. It was a big lie and I took the bait repeatedly. No more. Now these same fucks are probably getting worried that they are getting razor thin close to losing their asses due to their arrogant treatment of those who got them there.
It was rather fun for me today when HRC sent me an ‘urgent’ appeal to renew my annual membership. I wrote back stating that I no longer supported them and doubted that they cared as to why. To my huge surprise, they for once actually wrote back asking for an explanation. I have not replied yet, but the simple fact that they actually wrote back speaks volumes. Something tells me that the ‘close the gAyTM’ and ‘don’t ask don’t give’ is working better than any of us recognize. Keep up the pressure progressives and friends here…..we may finally be on to something.
Cheers
History Repeats
Except for those who could “pass for white”.
Rather like the T’s today. Don’t stand out, no problems – as long as your papers are in order.
Agreed
True. I think it’s even barely possible the Dems won’t even have 41 votes in 4 years. And that Obama won’t get a second term – though that would depend on the GOP fielding a candidate that was halfway sane, a remote possibility at this point.
Now what do we do?
It’s possible that when the unemployment crisis becomes acute – as it will – and a useless Pelosi Plan several hundred pages long is drafted and passed unread in a panic, that ENDA might be attached.
An exclusive version.
Transsexuals’ best bet is to rely on the courts, and Title VII inclusion. The Transgendered generally… are SOOL.
The strategy is wrongIt’s too late to win hearts and minds. We had a golden opportunity in a relationship with Julian Bond of the NAACP. He could have been the featured LGBT speaker at the HRC dinner and on media talk shows. Obama would have listened as well as the rest of the country just like they are listening to straights Bois and Olson.
We must encourage our straight allies who are willing to help with experience in civil rights issues and forget the entertainment blitz. First gay “American Idol” public relations is the opposite of what we are trying to achieve.
Halfway sane?What does mental competence have to do with it? George W. Bush got elected in 2004, remember. And the best you could possibly say for him is that he isn’t quite as transparently stupid as Sarah Palin. The polls showed that large numbers of voters went with Bush because they thought he’d be more fun to have a beer with than Kerry. All the GOP has to do is field a candidate who projects the image of a more “regular” guy than Obama, someone who isn’t quite so out of touch. At this point, I doubt that’ll be very hard, even for a pack of rality-challenged ideologues like the GOP.
if you let the republicans win….this tuesday
this year
in 2012
you deserve what you get. This is a disastrous strategy for our community and for America.
The gay community needs to wake up from its hissy fit and take a side, because we’re all about to get a big fat load of shit on our heads. And if you think being put on the back burner by the Democrats is unpleasant, just wait and see what the teabaggers have in store for us.
On target as usualAs always, Pam, you are spot on target. Over the past fourteen months, gay people have either ignored me when I said these things or simply told me I was not being fair.
No melodrama intended, but I just wonder if it will take something akin to what is about to happen overseas happening here before gays who think those of us who see things as they are really see what is down the road for gays. It may sound alarmist, but the truth is I believe things will get a lot WORSE before they get much better.
And while these anti-gay movements grow steadily, gay people are more interested in watching the Golden Globes than getting off their collective bar stools to stand up and fight.
IMO, Gay, Inc has been useless for years. Until the complacency that plagues the majority of gays and progressives is replaced with ardent fervor not to accept this crap, nothing will happen.
BUT, one thing people should consider as an alternative to staying home and not voting is to vote republican. There – I said it. People may laugh or scoff at the idea of doing this, but while our vote may not be the biggest, it could sway things enough to make the dems and this donkey administration sit up and take note. And, at the very least, we all know where we stand on that side of the floor.
I guess we will find out soon enough. I am not alone in the Don’t ask don’t give campaign. What has Obama done for the GLBTQ community? Zero. The republicans have done worse than zero I agree but the only way it seems to get the dems to listen is when they lose. As evidenced by the most recent Mass election results.