TWO Praises Pastor Rick Warren for Speaking Out Against Anti-Gay Uganda Bill

Calling bull on Rick WarrenThis is all CYA. Sorry, not buying it…

A scene from MacBethThe one where MacWarren is haunted by the murdered Banquo’s ghost and says “Shake not thy gory locks at me, thou can’st say that I did it.”
Warren helped set this into motion, his church was the Wannsee villa of the Final Solution of the LGBT question; now, like MacBeth, he wants to distance hisemlf from his own actions…..
Perhaps he is afraid that sooner or later Burnham Wood will be coming to Dunsinane

I have to wonder how much pressure the White House appliedPresident Obama has linked himself irrevocably with Warren because of the Inaugural Prayer controversy. I would not at all be surprised that word came down to “clarify” and to do so quickly.
Speaking of which, has the White House issued any kind of statement?

Spoken in ‘dog whistle’Okay, I watched the whole thing.  I feel like taking a very long shower now.
There was so much dog-whistling in that piece.  I wish I had a transcript — I don’t know where to begin.  But the overriding dog-whistle message I got was “The jig’s up, act like nothing happened…”

So What?I still don’t trust Rick Warren.
The only reason he’s spoken out now is the tide of public opinion is rapidly moving against the Ugandan bill thanks to people like Rachel Maddow using her program to expose them and bring the issue to the attention of viewers.
He’s still the cat who turned the Saddleback Church pulpit over to the Mormon bigots in the run-up to the vote on Proposition 8.
Warren is a Bible-thumping scalawag.
 

What if this was planned in advance?I found the transcript here:
http://bit.ly/8Rif7m
The release is hosted on the site of

A. Larry Ross Communications, a full-service agency he founded in 1994 to provide cross-over media liaison emanating from or targeted to the Christian market. He has more than 30 years experience in mainstream and Christian public relations, providing strategic PR counsel at both agency and corporate levels to help individuals and organizations influence public opinion.

What if this back-pedaling was planned ‘way in advance?  What if the purpose of advancing such a heinous law was so that the likes of Rick Warren could show ‘leadership’ and make them take it back down?  I’m just sayin’…
Looking over the transcript, one other dog-whistle I got was in combining his mention of any sex outside of a traditional godly marriage is wrong combined with his mention of his wife Kay seemed to add up to something like “Kay and I have wild, crazy, godly sex!”  As I remember from my days of observing male locker room while in Jason Bourne-style deep cover (transgender in denial…), The alpha males enforced their alpha status by talking about having wild, uninhibited sex.  Again, I’m just sayin’…

Here is the FAQ from the release.For your consideration.  Note that in the second-to-last word, he indirectly invokes Godwin’s Law.

Key Facts Concerning Recent Media and Blog Reports on Rick Warren’s Position on Uganda
1. Do you support the death penalty for homosexuals?
Absolutely not. ALL life, no matter how humble or broken, whether unborn or dying, is precious to God. My wife, Kay, and I have devoted our lives and our ministry to saving the lives of people, including homosexuals, who are HIV positive. It would be inconsistent to save some lives and wish death on others. We’re not just pro-life. We are whole life.
2. Do you support life imprisonment for homosexuality?
Of course not. I oppose the criminalization of homosexuality. The freedom to make moral choices is endowed by God. Since God gives us that freedom, we must protect it for all, even when we disagree with their choices.
3. Are you a friend of the President of Uganda?
No. I’ve never met him, and never had any kind of communications with him or with any member of the Ugandan Parliament.
4. Didn’t the President of Uganda say he wanted his country to be Purpose Driven?
No, he didn’t. That was said by the President of Rwanda, not Uganda, at a national rally in Rwanda in 2005. Years later, the Anglican Archbishop of Uganda made a similar comment so people are confusing Uganda with Rwanda, the country next to Uganda. While we have just begun to train pastors in Uganda, we are very involved in Rwanda, creating a nationwide PEACE Plan at the invitation of the churches there. Over 1,000 Saddleback members have served on humanitarian projects in Rwanda.
5. What did you do when you heard about the proposed Ugandan law?
I wrote to the most influential leader I knew in that country, the Anglican Archbishop of Uganda, and shared my opposition and concern. He wrote me back, saying that he, too, was opposed to the death penalty for homosexuals. There are thousands of evil laws enacted around the world that kill people (For instance, last year, 146,000 Christians around the world were killed because of their faith.). In this case, I knew the Archbishop in Uganda, so I did what I could, but my influence in that nation has been greatly exaggerated by the media.
6. Is Uganda Pastor Martin Ssempa an associate who represents you?
Not at all. At each of our Global Summits on AIDS (on World AIDS Day) we’ve invited speakers from a wide spectrum of religions, beliefs, political views and health care expertise. We’ve had believers and atheists; liberals and conservatives; gays and straights. Ssempa was just one of over 200 speakers we’ve invited. At each Summit we make it clear that no speaker represents us, and that we don’t control, endorse or agree with all that is said. Our desire is to encourage everyone to work together in ending HIV/AIDS and caring for those infected and affected. Ssempa was one of many speakers in 2005 and 2006. In 2007, when we learned that Ssempa’s beliefs and actions were vastly different than ours, we disassociated ourselves from him.
7. Did you say that homosexuality is not a human right?
Absolutely not. What I said in an interview in Uganda was that there is no civil right to gay marriage guaranteed by the United States Constitution. All Americans, and I believe all people, are “endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights,” as spoken by the United States Declaration of Independence.
8. Do you know Scott Lively?
No, I do not know Scott Lively and have had no contact with him regarding Uganda or any other issue. I would certainly not associate with anyone who denies the Holocaust, one of the greatest tragedies in human history.
9. Are you and Peter Wagner attempting to rid the world of homosexuals?
Absolutely not. Peter Wagner was a seminary professor of mine, but not my doctoral dissertation advisor. I have not had contact with Peter Wagner for many years and am certainly not conspiring with him for any purpose. Additionally, the event chronicled at Angels Stadium in 2005 has been grossly misrepresented. I was simply arguing that Christians could have a tremendous effect for good in the world if they had the same dedication as the followers of Mao. I would never argue that anyone should emulate or espouse the views of Mao, Hitler or Lenin.

P.S., My finding this was really just low-hanging fruit.

Pastor Bobby McCord denounces Warren’s denouncing of UgandaHe feels that Warren is no leader since he has worked with Pro-gay Hilary CLinton. Further, he goes on to say:

I do believe sodomy is a crime that should be punished because these perverts are the ones who abduct, molest, rape, and kill countless children every year. These perverts live in drugs, violence, all kinds of sexual perversion and some how we are supposed to treat them as a minority with special rights?

Pressure from the White House? Are You Kidding?Barry doesn’t give a shit about us. All he wants is our money.
“America’s Pastor” is of course lying like the rug on top of his fat head.  

link?thx!

Hmmm…sounds likeprojection to me.

I’m reminded STRONGLYby Warren’s remarks and repeated denials, of Frank Capra’s “Why We Fight” series, in that Germany kept saying they weren’t planning on what they eventually did.
One good “Godwin” reference deserves another!

ANSWER:
ZERO! NADA! ZIP! This White House is not the previous one for whom gays were a group to be directly exploited for political gain….it’s more of the “ignore them to death” variety.

On the other hand, three cheers for Rachel Maddow and everyone else who helped publicize his being a partner in this slime that he was AGAIN shamed into backtracking. He finally [in this case] did the right thing for the wrong reason: to save his fat ass, so I still wish a plague on his house.
A good object lesson to remember when we think we are totally powerless…which, I fear, my New Year’s prediction is that we’ll need a lot of to comfort us in 2010.

I don’t care how genuine he isor whether or not he did it because of public pressure, it is still damn important that he did do it.
I am no fan of Rick Warren AT ALL, but it is better that he says this than not.

One link, coming uphttp://www.abpnews.com/content…
The site is Associated Baptist Press – Rick Warren breaks silence on Ugandan anti-gay law:, Pastor Bobby McCord’s spittle-flecked comments are currently the third, fourth, seventh and tenth.

But it’s still important we maintain our scepticism of his motives..

Oh, let’s get this other comment in here

You are absolutely right. We are told to pretend homosexuality is not dangerous. We are told to pretend that Muslims are not dangerous. We are told to pretend that Government take over of our health care is not dangerous. We are told all of this by the same people who tell us that cows passing gas, and us driving our suv is going to destroy the planet. How stupid this nation has become.

Throwing the kitchen sink with Kevin Jennings

Here’s another piece of batshittery from that baptist site:
ss22,
I beg to differ. Read this article, it confirms what I am saying.
all africa dot com
A Ugandan official has this to say about the death penalty for gays:
“There have been attacks from gays and their sympathizers and our (Uganda’s) donors have put pressure on government. They have used the suggested clause on aggravated homosexuality, which was an import from already passed act on defilement, to alarm people that the Bill is about killing gays. This is a distortion of facts,” he said.
You are misinformed my friend. Now what is important to note here is the growing power of the homosexual lobby in international affairs. This bill threatens the homosexual lobby by cutting off their LGBT activist groups in Uganda that are funded with lots of dollars.
Ugandans report gay recruitment from international groups. This is happening, in fact, this is why so many gays teach in America’s public schools. Impossible you say? Read this article about President Obama’s Safe School Czar Kevin Jennings. He and the organization he founded, The Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network, handed out “fisting kits” to children as young as 14. Parents, do you know there is now Gay and Straight Alliance student groups in most high schools. . . just like there is a fellowship of Christian Athletes? Ask you children about it. . . they know. Read for yourself about our so called Safe School/Gay recruiter Czar:
Go to biggovernmentdotcom and look for fistgate 1-5 articles
Or here again at the Washington Times:
Go to washington times dot com search risky safe sex czar
The homosexual agenda is very planned and active in our culture. They will not stop until homosexual experimentation is a normal teenage experience. They are both radical and at times violent (see Calf. protest of churches who supported the marriage amendment). It won’t be too many years before saying homosexuality is sin is hate speech and prosecuted. Its already happened in Canada and Europe. If conservatives lose control of our high court it will happen.
Now I know this sounds way out there, but its true. The Safe School Czar is doing outrageous stuff, and the media says nothing. These are the people running our nations schools. Read people, your freedom and children depends on it!

He should release those letters, then…Or at least his letter to the Pastor.  If he really did write that before the uproar, it would mean a lot more than this damage control statement.

This is obviously great (and late,) but…I still think Warren owes a lot of people stateside an explanation for his Twitter statement on Christian persecution.  I’m an atheist and have worked for years to highlight the persecution of Christians around the globe.  US Soldiers in the 90s at times fought to defend Christians against persecution, and many are doing so in Iraq now.  Are we to believe that they are ALL Christians?
Even if we were to believe that the timing in relation to the Uganda bill was just an incredibly stupid accident, there is still plenty the pastor needs to apologize for in that statement.

Can it be longbefore Warren’s bff, President Fierce, issues a similar CYA statement?  But I’m sure he’ll find a way to remind everyone that even though this law is ooh! stinky-poo!, we must not forget that God is in the Ugandan mix.

It would be quite in characterfor Warren’s PR people–and they are masterful though evil–to have statements prepared an all kinds of issues, especially ones Warren might want to distance himself from.  Y’know, just in case.

And equally important that wekeep a careful eye on him and his colleagues in the future.

Absolutely

Uganda no longer wants to kill or life-imprison the gays Uganda Will Not Seek Death Penalty, Life Imprisonment for Gays
A “refined” anti-gay bill will be submitted to the Ugandan parliament but will not seek the death penalty or life imprisonment for gays, according to Bloomberg:
  http://rodonline.typepad.com/r…
from gay americablog
  http://gay.americablog.com/200…
The draft bill, which is under consideration by a parliamentary committee, will drop the two punishments to attract the support of religious leaders who are opposed to these penalties, [Minister of Ethics and Integrity James Nsaba Buturo] said today in a phone interview from the capital, Kampala. Ugandan lawmaker David Bahati presented a private member’s bill on Oct. 14 which sought the death penalty and life imprisonment for gay people in the country. The Ugandan government supports the bill because homosexuality and lesbianism are “repugnant to the Ugandan culture,” Buturo said. Still, it favors a more refined set of punishments, he said. In addition to formulating punishments for the gay people, the bill will also promote counseling to help “attract errant people to acceptable sexual orientation,” said Buturo.

Wasn’t Ricky the first one to proclaim Uganda the 2nd purpose driven nation?I believe that this was simply done to protect his “brand”.  Now he’s backtracking, saying that Uganda is not a purpose driven nation. BS. Besides, did he actually speak to the Ugandan pastors or just post this video?  The only positive thing I notice is that Ricky finally got a haircut- praise jesus!

Yes that and scrubbing all websites/posts mentioning that Uganda is a “purpose-driven nation”

Rachel covered Warren and Inhofe mea culpasshe really went after Grassley and the FAMILY, in the 80′s Grassley is aledged to have gone to Uganda for the FAMILY.
   http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26…

From the Ugandan Monitorhttp://www.monitor.co.ug/artma…

At least 200 senior religious leaders in Uganda have thrown their weight behind the government backing it not to “yield to pressure” from donor countries that are demanding the withdrawal of the Anti-Homosexuality Bill before Parliament.
Under their umbrella organisation of the Inter-religious Council of Uganda (IRC), the clerics have recommended that the government should think of cutting diplomatic ties with countries that are bent on forcing homosexuality on Ugandans.
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At their three-day meeting in Entebbe this week, the spiritual leaders came up with several recommendations that are opposed to homosexuals.
“Government should cut ties with donor communities and other groups which support ungodly values such as homosexuality and abortion,” one of the resolutions reads.
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Bishops from the Catholic, Anglican, Orthodox, Seventh Day Adventist churches as well as Muslim kadhis agreed to defend the Bill in their centres of worship.

Ever get the feeling that Mr Warren tailors his words for the target audience? Saying one thing in public, another in private? Because it seems as if the Ugandan Anglicans (and Catholics) are saying something quite different in Uganda.