If only I had the juice (and cash) of sick, bloviating, untethered-from-reality-and-the truth Glenn Beck! The New York Times Opinionator Tobin Harshaw compares my call to shut down the gAyTM to the radical, racist, bigoted diatribes of Glenn Beck. His reasoning?
“We know that hard-line conservatives are riled up. But so are hard-left Democrats and their gay allies.”
Who knew my statement was equivalent to the nut-teabaggers and a radical call to arms:
“Let’s just say that a little leaked email proves LGBTs are seen as the easy gAyTM to the DNC that can be manipulated, ignored, and pickpocketed as mob rule strips us of civil rights without a finger being lifted to help at the eleventh hour,” adds the influential gay blogger Pam Spaulding of Pam’s House Blend. “It’s worse – stripping resources at the time of need.”She offers a call to arms along the lines of MoveOn’s:
I don’t know about you, but at the very least, it’s a peek at the kind the two-timing that goes on in national politics with constituencies they find “troublesome” or a perceived “liability” (save the $$$, of course). The difference is that the peek inside makes you realize how easily you’ve been had …Shut the gAyTM down; only give directly to candidates and organizations you believe are truly working in your best interest. Not a penny to the DNC; it’s the only leverage you have as an average citizen. The big donors in our community have to take a stand on this kind of nonsense, otherwise, they are enabling this kind of treatment of our community. It’s party-building at our expense each and every time …
Pam, you may not like to hear it, but that last line could just as easily have come from Glenn Beck. Just goes to show: it may be entertaining to watch your enemies rip themselves apart, but you might just want to keep an eye on the guy to your left.
WTF? It’s time to lay down the crack pipe, Tobin. Let’s see, how do you equate a call for spending one’s donation dollars wisely and directly to a candidate that supports your issues to, say, riling up teabaggers to show up in DC waving racist/Nazi signs with the President’s image, calling for a revolution, stoking the fears and anxieties of the working class who are losing their jobs and homes because of the massive f*ckups of the last eight years by the man who took off in the helicopter this January as the crowds cheered “Na na na na…hey hey hey…goodbye.” Please.
At least the folks in the comments there had a good time shredding the comparison.
I say to Pam Spaulding: You go girl!Excuse the dated language, but I’m a 62-yr old straight white woman. Sorry.
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Anyway, why the caution at the end of this entry? Pam is right.
I worked my butt off trying to get single payer insurance at least on the horizon, something I think should be a human right – healthcare for all of us (instead of bank CEOs with $1,000 cigars).
Then Pelosi, et al. put the kibosh on a straight floor vote that was promised publicly to Rep. Weiner, who supports single payer.
Don’t support people who don’t support you. That is the only way a representative democracy can work. Simple as that. What are we? Fools???
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Pam Spaulding = Glenn Beck?? Um, no sir.
Do Beck & Limbaugh and Spaulding advocate for a certain set of political ideas? Well obviously. What are they supposed to do: advocate a certain set of policies and then back the pol who’ll do just the opposite?
I’m a proud liberal, and I’m gay, and I’ve no problem with the conservatives asking their pols to vote a in certain way. There’s nothing unreasonable or RADICAL for citizens to (gasp!) demand a certain voting record from their pols & parties after spending money, time and effort getting these people elected. And yes, as it should be, people are concerned with policy issues, not coddling parties and pols or spineless centrists.
So here are the real issues from a liberal perspective: the problem with Beck and Limbaugh is that they say things that many find bigoted and untrue; and conservative dems can’t explain why progressives should be motivated to support them given they will not support many of the things we care most about.
- MabPharos
Back to your original, laff-a-minute political progamming.



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The comparison was absurdIt was an example of a fallacy that pervades journalism today: the fallacy of the false equivalence. Journalists seem to think that if they false equate something on the left with something on the right, they are being neutral.
Water off a duck’s back, Pam.
Like the Left and LGBTs are two seperate groupsThe differences between you and Beck are myriad.
You don’t use Vicks under your eyes to cry on cue.
You work through more pain to hold down your day job, create an award winning blog, a sucessful marriage, a caring family member, friend to animals, and dozens of other irons in the fire.
and SMART influental people respect you, something wet brain rodeo clown Beck will NEVER have.
well pam,you’ve clearly upset the villagers (not to confused with “the village people”, who actually produced something entertaining), and they will not be trifled with!
Pam…The day you start making sh*t up for ratings, lying about and/or distorting facts for money, and rallying ignorant people to protest against themselves for the gain of large corporations is the day that I stop reading and posting here. Until then I say Tobin needs to go back to school to learn how to compare/contrast and you need to rock on!
First I had to google Harshaw…I didn’t have to google Pam SpauldingThen I found Mr. Harshaw gushing about Karl Rove’s work ethic.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/44…
Does Mr. Harshaw just have a soft spot in his heart for self loathing closeted fags who put 13 anti gay amendments in battleground states, along with his fledgling Mehlman (the fagette) to give us 4 more years of CHENEY?
Tobin I mean this with all my queer heart
http://media.photobucket.com/i…
was it closing the gay ATM which gave Tobin a hissy fit?Or was it raking the ALL WHITE A-QUEENS HRC dinner-extravagaz-matrons over the coals, which hit closer to Tobin?
hmmmmmm?
yeah I saw thatand I was wondering when you would say something about it.
It was absolutely absurd..
I did see one theme in Tobin’s attacks on americablog, PHB, and BeckTHEY ARE all more popular powerful voices than Harshaw
pea-green with popularity envy…huh buttercup?
If ever there was a time to do a spit take.It’s a good thing I didn’t have anything in my mouth when I saw this.
At this point, just about all they have is “Whah! Your side does it too!” Even though they have to lay that claim on someone who does nothing like what their side does. What a bunch of whiny crybabies.
Yup.And actually, this twit has more in common with Beck than Pam ever could. Calling Pam Glen Beck is like calling Obama Hitler.
Whatever!If ANY lesbian could be compared to Glenn Beck, it’s recloseted homosexual/Rosie O’Donnell lookalike Melissa Fryrear.
I have to wonder if he just said itfor the same reasons Beck says crap.
To clarify; for attention, not because he actually believes any of that crap that comes out of his mouth…
!!!So many people LOVE to defend this nonsensical equivalency. They say that both sides have their radical elements in order to not make a real value call and come out of any predicament where one is called for looking level-headed. I’m calling BULLSHIT. Pam is one of the most sober, fair-minded, dry-as-hell bloggers on the internet. Go ahead and compare Alex Jones or Mike Malloy to the right-wing sociopath-media-fringe. Calling out Pam is grasping for straws.
It this the same person who iscomparing Obama to Hitler? Our fellow knee-jerk, short-reaching, too-lazy-to-really-think citizens.
They might be tarted though.At least, the general impression given by wingnuts like Carrie Prejean and Bristol Palin is of considerable tartiness.
Pam, this guy is completely off base!Pam just happens to notice little things like Rick Warren at the inauguration, silence from the DNC during Prop 8, silence from the DNC during question one and the list goes on and on. Why should gay people support those who do not support us? The fact is these “trivial” civil rights the gays keep complaining about have real consequences in the daily lives of LGBT people and families. We are unable to sponsor our foreign born partners to stay in this country, we are taxed unfairly even if we are legally married, in many states we can be fired from our jobs just because we are LGBT. Pam Spaulding stands up for LGBT civil rights, do you? From the sound of you comparing Pam to Beck I would guess the answer is no.
Endorsement time!Wow, they’re just rolling in lately, huh?
Awww they don’t seem happy that gays aren’t just shutting upm and taking itIt’s another silencing tactic.
They want gay money but don’t really want to do anything for it. But how DARE gays complain?! Time to punish the oud ones who dare to speak up, who dare to point out the lies and broken promises. Who have the audacity to ask for justice.
WTF?
Where are all of these people getting their Ph.D.s in False Equivalency?
Har Dee Har Harshaw
Damn I hate to agree with anything positive being said about AmericaBlog – but I have to agree with that (though doubly so for The Blend; no comment on The Dreck.)
Actaully…he has a valid point, even if his comparison was dubious at best.
Pam is arguing that the Democrats must be perfect on LGBT issues at all times and must do so right now. Its that demand for absolutism that makes her and others like her comparable to Glenn Beck.
Glenn Beck and Limbaugh are part of a movement within the GOP to make the party ideologically pure. Meaning that there is no room for moderates or people with differing opinions. Its the mindset that is contributing to the shrinking of the GOP to its smallest possible base.
In some ways Pam and some of the more militant among us (though Pam is hardly the worst of the bunch) are pushing for the exact same thing. They are trying to break the coalition by forcing it to move fast on issues that the majority would rather handle at a slower pace and more quietly.
Thus on that very narrow level the comparison between Beck and Pam is fair. However, the reality is that the way they go about pushing their ideology is so radically different that the comparison begins to look silly. Pam could never be the hysterical drama queen that Beck has become. More importantly, she’s not prone to lying in order to make her case.
I respectfully disagreeHaving openly disagreed with Pam on this site and even been called a “kapo” in this forum myself, I’m more than willing to accept the need for a little pragmatism or “Martin & Malcolm” or whatever you want to call it.
However, urging those who think like you to directly support individuals who directly support your position is in no way a call, however faint, for “ideological purity.”
Indeed, it is the most pragmatic of all American political stances. Stregthen the hand of those who are closer to you.
I would much rather the Progressive Caucus or gay groups have more money than the Blue Dogs or the DNC. Who would own whom then?
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Bullshit
Pam is not arguing that, and neither am I (and I’m considerably more vocal, militant, and dissatisfied with the DNC than she is).
I don’t pay money to see movies I don’t want to watch. I don’t pay money to buy books I don’t want to read. I don’t pay money to buy a car I don’t want to drive. I won’t pay money to elect a politician I don’t support. Giving money to the DNC helps elect politicians I don’t support, so I won’t. I’ll give it directly to politicians I do support.
If a movie company wants my money, they’ll make a movie I want to see. If a politician or a political group wants my money, they’ll support policies I agree with. Nothing could be more simple and clear.
another difference……Beck has the bad hair
Did someone say something?
The Democratic Party has been fractious for a long time – its nothing newJust recall Will Roger’s famous quote: “I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat.”
The dissension that Tobin sees among Democrats is pretty much routine. The Democratic Party, unlike the GOP, takes a “big tent” approach. This means that Democrats have diverse, and sometimes conflicting, interests. Factions pressuring to have their concerns heard and addresses is just how the Democratic Party works.
I think the right wing drive for ideological purity really is of a different nature.
Well…
Please describe this “coalition.”
Is it the coaltion of billshit again?
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Why would he say anything?Let HRC and the A-list queens do what they want and let the more “militant” of us build up the best grassroots that we can.
Why is is that some people see a contradiction in that?
Regent University?
we always haveA-list HRC might have gotten their buckets filled with donations at PRIDE, but it never controlled what militant LGBTs did the rest of the year.
We need an alternative LGBT organization to rate Congress member’s voting records…that’s ALL HRC did for decades.
Every where Tobin appears publicly he should hear Lisa Allen’sF*CK YOU…sung
because militants…have an impact on everyone. John and Jane Q Public do not make a distinction between the two. As you are well aware, minorities are judged by our extremes.
You asked that I nottreat you like you’re stupid, so I won’t. You know full well what groups comprise the Democratic coalition.
Sadly this is true.While I consider our diversity a strength, it also makes governing a bitch. Its one of the main reasons that Democrats have such a hard time getting elected.
There is ALWAYS some faction that is pissed off that they have to wait for something. Thus our various factions have no problem sabotaging our candidates.
The sad truth is that Democrats should ALWAYS win elections. After all, there are numerically more Democrats (and people who lean Democrat) in the US than Republicans. The problem is usually that Democrats are less likely to vote or more likely to move against the party than Republicans.
Pam Spaulding does not refer to overthrowing the governmentbut she could whip us all up to go “condoming” our supposed representatives
Absolutist? Or Reasonably Impatient?We are all tired, Geek, save for you.
We are tired of discrimination
We are tired of hatred.
We are tired of being offered the political carrot and unceasingly getting the political stick
We are tired of the endless drip of blood from the stream of LGBT wounded and dead at the hands of right wing haters
That isn’t absolutist.
That is simply human
The Right, the Center Right, comprise the democratic coalition.
The Far right is the Republican Party
There is no coalition
The rest fo us are left to beg for crumbs
And a few from Liberty U – plus one or two from Bob Jones
Ah, but the militants put the fear in peopleand the politicians. Then come the consequences of not doing much of anything (if anything at all).
Court cases aside, the NAACP and the SCLC didn’t accomplish much on the federal level (at the legislative and executive levels, at least) until the SNCC (and the Black Muslims) came into the picture. Only then was King able to call up Kennedy and LBJ and say that even he couldn’t hold the people back anymore.
Not that there’s any comparison between King and Solomnese but I would like Solomnese to at least be able to say that.
I wasn’t necessarily referring to the groupsthough that’s important. I was moreso referring to what do the members owe to one another and the ethical responsibility of the Democratic Party to the members of their coalition.
Harvey Milk did the same thingTell marchers to go angrily to City Hall, then he appears as the ONLY voice of reason to calm the crowd…for the moment.
Joe Solomnese is NO MILK. We’ll have to find NEW leaders for that role.
Perhaps someone like Chrissy Gephardt could fill the bill
And that’s not a discredit to Solomnese or the HRCBut they are not the be-all and the end-all to gay activism. HRC actually has some good cards to play in this regard. He can choose to let the “militants” say what they will. But given the ENDA debacle, he does not have the gravitas within the community (especially at the grassroots levels) to be able to do what King and Milk did in that regard.
And…Milk did work to secure support of other members of the coalition (esp. union workers).
Tobin Twittelling Tobin http://twitter.com/OpinionatorNYT
that he sounds like that FUXHEAD Beck who believes that people should be of one mind in everything – that’s the either your are for us or against thinking of the republikkans.
Maybe Tobin’s become a FUXHEAD too.
and the Asian community tooHarvey educated himself, and had the empathy to know inately what issues were significant to the Asian voters, and put his promises into deeds.
Harvey also showed Labor in the COORS boycott we were a significant purchasing power, and a dependable ally.
WhileI disagree with the call to shut down the gAyTM and will continue to send my donations, comparing Pam with Glenn Beck is completely absurd.
The thing that makes the gay community healthy is that we have room for different voices and we debate and disagree on tactics to affect change.
They’re Getting It Froma Corn Flakes box.
This is also where most Texans obtain their drivers licenses.
Please let me know what your pet causes areBecause the list of other people’s pet causes that I will no longer support, no longer donate to fund defenses in referenda, and no longer vote for when they hit the ballot is growing longer and longer. This is what you, as the not progressive straight community have asked for.
On the positive side, I have much more time to myself, as I’ve cut out the websites, like DU, that do not support me, and like AmericaBlog who choose to side with DU against gay people.
It’s nice having time for my own life back again instead of fighting for other people’s pet causes.
And yet there have been Democrats who were strong enough to governEven recently.
Sadly, Obama isn’t that type of Democrat.
If he didn’t want to govern, he shouldn’t have run.
On the positive side, Burris may turn out to be a better Senator than Obama, so Illinois and progressive Democrats win on that account. Still, couldn’t a Democrat who wanted govern run, gotten elected, and then gotten Obama a cabinet-level position and still gotten his useless center-right ass out of the Senate?
Extremists!Any time you stand up for what you believe in and be vocal about it, someone’s going to either call you or compare you to an extremeist. In actuality, you are just doing what our Constitution encourages you to do! most people aren’t vocal about things so when ya do it, you’re thought of as an outsider.
HOWEVER,
There’s a HUGE difference between what Beck does and what Pam does. We at least know what the hell we’re yelling for AND we’re not tying anyone in a noose to do it! Beck could also give a shite less about any of those people – they are his bread & butter. And sometimes I think he’s outrageously stupid on purpose to see how much he can get away with. Can you not see him in his mirror in the morning bragging to himself how he’s about to pull a big one over on all of his fanatics?
Pam and Beck…MUCH different breeds indeed.
Typical NY Times “Balanced Reporting”
As Paul Krugman is fond of saying: if the Republicans announced that the world was flat and the Democrats objected, the headline the next day would be “Shape of the World: Views Differ.”
They can’t say something bad about someone on the right without finding a liberal to paint with the same brush.
Sent to KO and Rachel….Hope they get you on!!
I don’t think Pam and Beck are even in the same speciesGlenn I’ll be needing a birth certificate….the long form
and a DNA swab
“Joe Solomnese is NO MILK.”He’s spoiled milk – at best.
You very much remind me ofa battered spouse making excuses for an abusive partner. I’m curious: how much is the DNC paying you to post here?
Yeah, I join the WTF echo here…I had to read it twice because I thought my eyes doth deceived me. But that Tobin piece is how The Village “instant messenger pigeons” prove that they’re Serious: an attack on anything remotely approaching actual progressive philosophies.
Don’t forget Oral Roberts U