Man what a pair on this guy. Autumn mentioned this story in This and That, but I had to weigh in. This is church that didn’t allow blacks to be ordained into the priesthood officially until 1978, and the LDS leader Brigham Young believed:
You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind …. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings. This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race-that they should be the ‘servant of servants’; and they will be, until that curse is removed; and the Abolitionists cannot help it, nor in the least alter that decree.”
Yet in the wake of the tons of money dumped into Prop 8 by the Mormons, its current head, Elder Dallin H. Oaks, says that after the initiative passed, the church was demonized for its political involvement. [Gee, I wonder why]. The choice of victim card to play is almost beyond belief:
“The extent and nature of religious devotion in this nation is changing,” said Oaks, a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, a church governing body. “The tide of public opinion in favor of religion is receding, and this probably portends public pressures for laws that will impinge on religious freedom.”
…Oaks said that while “aggressive intimidation” connected to Proposition 8 was primarily directed at religious people and symbols, “it was not anti-religious as such.” He called the incidents “expressions of outrage against those who disagreed with the gay-rights position and had prevailed in a public contest.”
“As such, these incidents of ‘violence and intimidation’ are not so much anti-religious as anti-democratic,” he said. “In their effect they are like well-known and widely condemned voter-intimidation of blacks in the South that produced corrective federal civil-rights legislation.”
Aside from that level of preposterous sentiment, the LDS has not been behaving in any kind of way you’d expect people of faith should act. Why are they wasting all this money to beat back gays and lesbians who want to marry when they could be filling the food banks, helping to ensure those who are destitute will have clean water, food and clothing as winter approaches…a host of more productive and meaningful ways to fulfill its mission.




“The extent and nature of religious devotion in this nation is changing,” said Oaks, a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, a church governing body. “The tide of public opinion in favor of religion is receding, and this probably portends public pressures for laws that will impinge on religious freedom.”
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Small quibble: Oaks is *a* head, not *the* headThe head of the LDS is the church’s President, considered to be God’s Representative On Earth and the church’s “prophet, seer and revelator.” That position is currently held by Thomas Monson. Oaks is a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, who are also considered “prophets, seers and revelators” without being God’s Representative On Earth. The Wikipedia says that Oaks is Five Of Twelve in terms of seniority.
LDS has actively and stridently been on the WRONG side of all Civil Rights issuesNAACP won landmark case against Mormons on a Black Boy Scout they refused to advance, because their scouting included being in the preisthood, which was denied to blacks. The elder who dared ordain the first Black man, was tossed out, and hounded by temple goons who murdered his body guard….This precipatated the Church ordaining Blacks.
Mormons shoved Mormon women on buses from Utah to Idaho to fight the ERA.
Mormons have taught gay bashing for DECADES, and opposed stem cell research.
Irony aboundsAs I commented on Boxturtlebulletin’s thread on this insanity, Oaks does not actually specify what the acts of alleged “aggressive intimidation” were. Apparently criticizing the cult of Joseph Smith counts in his book.
The irony is, if LGBT protesters had physically harmed any of Oaks’ fellow religious travellers or LDS property, they would have been subject to the very hate crimes laws that he opposes only when they apply to LGBT people.
Bearing False Witness is in the top ten sins, being queer ISN’T
Boo Fucking Hoo.Big crybaby!
“Help! We marched in our magical bloomers into the private business of gay people and oppressed them, and because they’re fighting back, WE’RE the victims! You’re not supposed to fight back at bullies! SOMEBODY has to be our new n*ggers!”
Oh my
How… Borg.
And how fitting, considering the drone attitude of many of the members.
There’s documented evidenceabout how the LDS abandoned racist beliefs when their tax-exempt status was threatened.
Here’s the whole story: http://www.opednews.com/articl…
Honestly…is there anyone at this point who does not compare themselves to the civil rights movement?
Could they be any more insulting?
Not so much on the top tenThey don’t place as much emphasis on the ten commandments as they do the 13 articles of faith:
I had to memorize those as a kid. Along with select passages of the BofM.
And thus we see the end of him who perverteth the ways of the Lord. And thus we see that the devil does not support his followers, but doth speedily drag them down to hell. – Alma 30:60
This in spite of the fact that mormon doctorine teaches there is no hell. Only the lowest degree of glory (terrestrial) and Outer Darkness. It’s what started me on the path of asking WTF to religion.
After Financing 30 State Amendments to “protect traditional marriage”this man should be ashamed of himself. He is more akin to Joseph Goebbels than to MLK. MLK stood for expanding civil rights, these people stand for reducing civil rights. What hubris, gall and outright mendacity.
PSI think it’s fucking hilarious that these guys, who oppressed black people, are claiming to be treated the same way as they treated those black people – but worse!
Does anyone see Mormons being segregated into their own schools or classrooms? Separate water fountains? Not being served at a restaurant or store? Nope.
This is equally as bad as Glenn Beck just the other day claiming that Fox News is being treated no different than the Jews in the holocaust.
IF ONLY Glenn Beck, Shawn Hannity and the whole bunch from FOX could be shipped off in a train cart and barbecued; but only after months of nothing but hard work, shitty meals and beatings.
Man what a pair on this guy.Isn’t the victim card one of their favorites to play?
” We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, “…so there it is. His punishment is coming … is his nose longer yet?
Sing it, Pam!!!!African American church leaders MUST get outraged at this offensive line of crap – just as offended as they get when comparisons are made between LGBT civil rights and the ongoing struggle against racial discrimination.
LGBTs haven’t dared to draw a comparison as bold and inconsistant and offensive as this Mormon prick did and there ought to be a response.
I’d bet 30 to 1 a HUGE amount of Mormon money in Maine and WA state is just to be revealedThere aren’t ANY coincidences.
Reid publicly disavowing Mormons meddling in other states, and I don’t know of Reid EVER criticizing the LDS he knows this is about to come out.
The LDS elders playing this absurd VICTIM CARD they know will anger Civil Rights leaders, is an act of such desperation, they wouldn’t use it unless they had their backs to the wall.
I also found the LDS sites are monitoring the MAINE equality funds and asking for volunteers to come into Maine to canvas.
I suggest Chino and others who were so good at tracking Mormon companies and BIG BUCK LDS donors after prop 8 comb carefully through the released Maine donation info.
We know the last minute massive LDS donations and their BLATANT lies about in kind donations which they claimed were 2K and were off by a factor of 90 TIMES….$180,000.00.
Petey, they will need to chase the LDS money through the NOMas they are their front man.
Oaks is going to FIRE UP the boycotts of prop 8 donors and boycotting UTAHI want LGBTs to demand GLAAD don’t spend a dime this year at Sundance for a G*D DAMN Queer Lounge, and we need to push Sundance to re-locate to NM. Don’t wait until they cry they can’t possibly move, right now they can move.
it’ll be found,, we know the prop 8 funders, and the LDS church doesn’t realize how many queers and straight allies see the ward by ward infoNOTHING they do is secret ….anymore.
We knew about their actions in Illinois within days, don’t imagine we are watching their every move.
fool us once in CA…..never again
aren’t watching their every move…..oops
number 13we believe in being HONEST
here’s the Salt Palace Convention calendar for conventions going to Utah http://www.visitsaltlake.com/s…
WRITE the companies and organizations in the next few months concerning Utah discriminating against some of their convention attendees, mentioning the same sex couple thrown to the ground by LDS temple thugs for walking with their arm around one another, and the LIE the LDS church offered up that ONLY marriage was what they’d deny LGBTs and they voted down EVERY minimal LGBT right to Utah residents.
Sundance corporate sponsorsEntertainment EWcom
HP
Honda
Sundance channel
that’s just the few I found on the front of their web page
http://festival.sundance.org/2…
I’m with you Heatherand boycott anything coming out of that rotten stinking state.
Here is the list of the largest employers in Utah:
“Intermountain Health Care (IHC) “,”State of Utah “,”,
“Brigham Young University “,
“University of Utah (Incl. Hospital) “, ,
“Wal-Mart Stores “, ,
“Hill Air Force Base “,
“Granite School District “,
“Jordan School District “,
“Utah State University “,
“Davis County School District “,
“Kroger Group Cooperative “,
“Alpine School District “,”
“U.S. Postal Service “, ,
“Internal Revenue Service “,
“Convergys “, ,
“Salt Lake County “, ,
“ATK Launch Systems “,”Aerospace Equipment Manufacturing “,
“Albertsons “, ,
“Zions First National Bank “,
“Wells Fargo “, ,
“Weber County School District “,
“Delta Airlines “,
“SkyWest Airlines “,
“Autoliv ASP (Morton Int’l) “,
“Salt Lake City School District “,
“United Parcel Service “,
“Nebo School District “,
“Home Depot “,”
“Salt Lake City Corporation “,
“Discover Products “,
“Weber State University “,”,
“Teleperformance USA “,
“Qwest Corporation “,
“Washington County School District “,
“Salt Lake Community College “,
“Utah Valley State College “, ,
“Target Corporation “,
“Harmons “,
“PacificCorp (Rocky Mountain Power) “,
“Costco Wholesale “,
“Icon Health and Fitness “,
“ARUP “,
“Provo City School District “,
According to http://www.allbusiness.com, “The Provo area is the nation’s third-largest producer of computers and related equipment.” The largest SIC category of Utah exports is electric and electronic machinery which includes computers and related equipment. A case in point is the computer software manufactured by WordPerfect. According to David Pearson, director of international sales and marketing at WordPerfect, 35 percent of WordPerfect’s business is overseas. A third significant export category includes scientific equipment and control instruments. Clean rooms manufactured by DAW Technologies are one example. Jetway Systems, of Ogden, exports products in several SIC categories – electric machinery, non-electric machinery, and transportation equipment. In addition to high-tech products, Utah’s natural resources of coal and copper are also exported. Fellerstone, of St. George, provides stone for landscaping and aquarium decoration. Many other Utah companies export, including Novell, Iomega, NuSkin, Franklin International, WICAT Industries, and Huntsman Chemical.
We can start by letting these companies know that we are boycotting the entire state and its exports until the LDS church cries uncle.
more Sundance sponsorsDirect TV
Southwest airlines
Blockbuster
Brita
Microsoft
Sony
Timberland
Stella Artoris
Utah Film Commision
Institute Associates
American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers (ASCAP)
Convergys Corporation
Eastman Kodak Company
Film Independent
FotoKem Film and Video
NYU Tisch School of the Arts
Park City Municipal Corporation
Park City Visitors Bureau and Film Commission
Rainbow Media
SAGIndie/Screen Actors Guild
Official Providers
All Seasons Resort Lodging
AMX
Brightcove
The Canyons Resort
Cuisine Unlimited
Digital Projection International
Express Shuttle
Identity Properties
Kenneth Cole Productions, Inc.
KRCL 90.9 FM Community Radio
KXRK “X96″ 96.3 FM
Park City Lodging
Park City Marriott
Peery’s Egyptian Theater
QuickMobile
Rastar
ResortQuest Park City
Salt Lake Marriott City Center
The Sky Lodge
Snow Flower Condominiums
Trolley Square
WorldLearn
The Yarrow Resort Hotel and Conference Center
What?Your town doesn’t have separate water fountains for Mormons? We have that and lots more. My favorites are the separate libraries, one for normal people and one for Mormons.
[koff]
It’s everything that’s wrong with this country…I wrote a pretty extensive rebuke of this speech on my blog over at ZackFord Blogs. I welcome any feedback and discussion:
http://zackfordblogs.com/2009/…
Deseret News is censoring 5 of my posts on Reid thread and Oaks threadFinally I left this post
“Censor gay comments here, at your PERIL.
We are going to flood the Non Mormon controlled websites with our ANGER, including Black and Brown blogs you couldn’t find with both hands and the lights on. ”
http://www.deseretnews.com/use…
Oaks thread is here with 352 comments
http://www.deseretnews.com/art…
Mormon= Black Civil Rights movement?That ought to be interesting, as many black ministres deny LGBT’s any comparasion; will they give the LDS church a pass on this since they are now bedfellows in oppressing another minority?
I was going to write that he was fifth in seniorityBut Five of Twelve popped into my head and I liked the connotations.
I would concede…that at times the LDS church was oppressed.
In the 19th Century.
However…that was quite a while ago, to say the least.
This time around, they financed the oppression of another minority group, the LGBT community. They loom very, very suspiciously in that ongoing oppression of our rights as citizens of this country.
Karma, baby, karma. Don’t do the metaphysical crime if you can’t do the metaphysical time.
A lot of their “oppression” in the 19th centurywas a result of their own violent actions.
What do you expect, Petey?The Deseret News is the propaganda mouth for the SLC bigots, just as Faux News is the shill for the neocon reicht.
anti-clericalismIt’s not just a good idea, it ought to be the law.
This is INSULTING!How many days has Dallin Oaks spent in JAIL just for being MORMON? How many fire hoses has Thomas Monson faced just for being MORMON? How many attack dogs has Dieter Uchdorf avoided just for being MORMON???
My guess? NONE! For this man and his ilk to equate this so-called “oppression” as a result of GLBT backlash to the Civil Rights of the 1960s is baseless, a lie and a spit in the face of the John Lewises and Viola Liuzos of the era… they may as well trample the graves of
Denise, Addie Mae, Cynthia and Carole.
Better question: How many gay MORMONS have
committed SUICIDE because this so-called “church” rejected them? How many MORE will there BE?
Mormons read books?!Son of a gun. Who knew?
I’m going to have to stop drinking Stella?Curse them!
This got the bronzeon KO’s “Worst Person in the World”.
Remember…This is a religion who thrives on being the “poor persecuted followers of Jesus”.
The theocracy the LDS has established IMNSHO has oppressed and killed more people in it’s history in Utah, than all of the Mormons who were on the other side of oppression back in the 1800′s!
It’s sad to see yet another group terribly and horribly oppressed in its past once they tasted the temptation of majority turn around and become the oppressors, forgetting their long history. They’re no better than conservative black ministers and commentators.
Mormon is “the new black?”I just do not thnk that it will fly…..