UPDATE: Reporter John Harwood has raised the stakes, narrowing the “anonymous WH adviser” to the more specific “an Obama adviser.” (Huff Post):
“My comments quoting an Obama adviser about liberal bloggers/pajamas weren’t about the LGBT community or the marchers,” he wrote. “They referred more broadly to those grumbling on the left about an array of issues in addition to gay rights, including the war in Afghanistan and health care and Guantanamo — and whether all that added up to trouble with Obama’s liberal base……But while the administration certainly appreciates progressive new media, it remains wary of it. Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, in particular, regards the online left as impractical and counterproductive. While Communications Director Anita Dunn and Press Secretary Robert Gibbs both have worked hard to make new media a fixture of the Obama communications strategy, the West Wing favors the old media guard — granting them access and, in the case of Harwood, anonymous quotes in attempts to advance its agenda.
This is what happens when journalists allow sources to take cheap shots from behind the cloak of anonymity granted for no good reason. The source doesn’t have to own it if it backfires, and the journalist gets stuck with the reputation for sloppy and erroneous reporting if they decide to dump it on you. Which is exactly what’s happening here.NBC should release a statement either defending Harwood’s reporting on the matter or retract it. And the White House should identify Harwood’s source, because it doesn’t do much good to claim “we love you, we really really love you” and still protect the person who said it.
OK, now the White House has officially called CNBC reporter John Harwood a liar, denying any human being at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue said progressive bloggers (which includes those LGBT bloggers critical of the admin) were the “Internet left fringe. “From the Plumline:
The White House is strongly denying a report making the rounds that it views gay critics and bloggers as part of an “Internet left fringe,” with a senior adviser asserting to me that this sentiment “does not reflect White House thinking at all.”Yesterday, CNBC correspondent John Harwood set off a min-firestorm on the left after he claimed that the White House views gay and blogospheric criticism of the administration’s foot-dragging on gay rights issues as part of the “Internet left fringe.” Harwood claimed that an anonymous adviser said that “those bloggers need to take off the pajamas, get dressed and realize that governing a closely divided country is complicated and difficult.”
Asked for comment, White House senior communications adviser Dan Pfeiffer emailed:
“That sentiment does not reflect White House thinking at all, we’ve held easily a dozen calls with the progressive online community because we believe the online communities can often keep the focus on how policy will affect the American people rather than just the political back-and-forth.”
It’s too late. Someone said the remarks. Someone has to own them and inside the White House they know who the “someone” is and can release them to respond to this. That was not forthcoming in Dan Pfeiffer’s email. As far as the claim that the White House has the utmost respect for bloggers aside from putting some on its mailing list and holding phone conferences, the President himself made his thoughts clear just a short time ago, when discussing the problems print journalism is going through:
The Rocky Mountain News in Denver ceased operations, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer now publishes only on the Internet, and several large newspaper corporations have filed for bankruptcy, including the Tribune Co., owner of the Chicago Tribune and the Los Angeles Times.Mr. Obama said he noted the trend. “I am concerned that if the direction of the news is all blogosphere, all opinions, with no serious fact-checking, no serious attempts to put stories in context, that what you will end up getting is people shouting at each other across the void but not a lot of mutual understanding,” the President said.
Wow. It’s all shouting. I don’t recall virtually screaming at the POTUS. I disagree with the Patience Agenda and stated clearly why. Opposition does not equal lack of context. Glenn Greenwald is spot-on today:
Every standard form of Washington behavior is on display here: reporters like Harwood with absolutely no standards who grant anonymity to pass along playground insults. Obama officials — part of the Most Transparent Administration Ever — who seem incapable of speaking about anything without cowardly hiding behind anonymity, even for on-the-record briefings. Snide, Fox-News-mimicking dismissals from the Democratic establishment of any discontent or criticism of the President as coming from the fringe, Far Left. And particular disdain for any instruments — blogs, marches and protests — which the White House cannot control, which exist independent of the tightly coordinated, Rahm-dominated “veal pen” messaging system to which so many leading progressive organizations have meekly submitted themselves in order to ensure their own continued access, funding and future career options within the Democratic establishment.The only thing remarkable about the comments Harwood passed on is that anyone would be surprised by them. In that regard, the furor over Obama’s complete inaction on gay issues vividly illustrates the same elements that shape political controversies in virtually every other area — from war to civil liberties to health care and beyond:
- Pretty words and inspiring pageantry from the President, accompanied by endless inaction or contradictory policies;
- Hordes of people who believe in their heart of hearts that the administration is led by such a nice, just and likable man that it couldn’t possibly be guilty of anything worse than a little benign political calculation (just as the evangelical, Texas-swaggering Bush did for Red State loyalists, the urbane, charming and highly intelligent Obama possesses all the cultural markers of a good and decent person for Blue State loyalists, and thus simply can’t be capable of anything malicious or destructive — there’s a reason Bill Maher tried to remind liberals: ”He’s your president, not your boyfriend”);
- Organizations (exemplified by the truly dreadful HRC) that suck funding out of progressives and serve as liberal validators of administration conduct whose overaching devotion is to the Democratic Party and the administration rather than the causes they claim to promote (fortunately, civil liberties groups are the exception, as they have remained steadfast, unapologetic, independent and principled in harshly criticizing Obama); and,
- Deeply personalized scorn directed at those who try to hold Democrats and the Obama administration accountable — since they’re the ones who control all branches of government with huge majorities — rather than devote all their energies to the cheap and easy partisan task of ridiculing and blaming a marginalized, impotent conservative movement which is a small minority and currently wields no power in Washington.
I have no idea who the person is who said this to Harwood or how influential or obscure s/he might be, but whoever it is, that person is anything but unusual or aberrational. Quite the opposite.
What needs to happen is “anonymous adviser” needs to come out of the closet as it were, and man up and offer a resignation if this kind of statement is wholly against White House thinking.



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I hope Harwood gets fired.
As I just commentedto Autumn on Facebook: Now comes the debate of whether this was straight-up CYA by the WH or whether they truly disagree with the statement…
Or am I being cynical?
Exactly. “Somebody” came up with it and “somebody” needs to own itWhether it was Harwood riffing or someone else talking out their azz and Harwood was gleefully carrying water. The remark was meant to incite and incite it most certainly did.
And I hope Gleen Greenwald receives an award for his piece. You go, Glenn!
I doubt Harwood will take the slam on his reputation, he needs to name the sourceIf there is no source verified Harwood will be labeled a LIAR.
I dare say you are not being cynical enough. n/t
HuffPo has this Harwood story tooThis ain’t gonna go away without someone OWNING IT.
Nice to see him FINALLY talking like the gay man that he isHe’s scrupulously avoided gay issues until now.
Looked at on the wholeI’m having a hard time getting outraged about this. There isn’t much evidence that the White House looks at the netroots as some sort of fringe element. Why have blogger outreach calls if you think the people writing those blogs are inconsequential. Not to mention, a “White House Advisor” is such a broad term I don’t know what it’s supposed to mean in this context. What sort of influence does this person have? Are we talking about David Axelrod or are we talking about someone with inside connections but no official role? This story is just too thin for me to make any broad conclusions.
If the left wants to be mad at Obama, there are plenty of legitimate areas to criticize him. But latching on this story just makes a certain portion of the netroots seem reactionary.
Here’s what needs to happenUnnamed Sourcing Should NEVER Be Used!!!!
Precisely!!!There is no here here. Anyone that works in the White House could have said this. Hell, anyone of his advisors could have said it. Why people need to immediately link it to the President, when no other media source confirmed or repeated Harwood’s claim is beyond me. If General McChrystal can go on TV and give statements contradictory to the White House line, any one can.
Uh huh
I don’t see Rahm quitting any time soon.
Because…Heavens, manufactured outraged and indignant posturing by Pam’s readers would be SHOCKING.
4.0 (n/t)
One of the sad thingsabout the internet is that it thrives on hysteria and the slighets comment stokes the fire.
What I’ve seen here is that some people NEED to feel insulted. Thus they throw any and all logic out of the window in order to stoke their lingering resentment.
The quote was stupid and totally at odds with the WH attitude on new media thus far. Yet people will run with this precisely because its in their interest to do so. They have a need to hate this particular President.
What’s even worse is that some of the observation in that quote is in fact true. Even a cursory glance of much of the LGBT blogosphere will show a shocking lack of interest in political reality. In the minds of some here, the President should be a political martyr and wreck his presidency on the shors of LGBT issues. Never mind political opposition. The fact that he will be viciously attacked with outright lies in the media is irrelevant to these people.
They simply have a hard time acknowledging that he has an expansive agenda that includes but is not dominated by LGBT issues. These people do not even have the courage to advise which of his policies should he set aside in order to tackle LGBT issues. In their minds it can all be done at once without harming the policies he’s interested in addressing.
These people cannot even fathom that he has a crisis agenda that MUST come first because it impacts all Americans. Even Pam, who can be quite reasonable, has taken an unrealistic approach to this. But again, no one is willing to say what should be set aside in order to get their personal agenda passed.
the one thing that I do look forward to is having the GOP retake congress in 2010. (these folks are determined for that to happen) That atleast should put an end to the whining and shut them up. Once the GOP is back in control of congress they can lay back and relax knowing that they won’t be getting a damn thing and have no hope of getting any LGBT friendly laws passed. Then we’ll have some real facinating discusssion with the people who swore up and down that they simply could not wait…despite the fact that they will then have no choice but to wait.
White House AnonymityWell of course they will hide behind an anonymous shield–nothing happens inside a WH without most of it being planned. I am sure Robert Gibbs, or someone in the media operation gave the green light to say it off the record. And of course you are right that if this WH, just like any other WH, cannot control something–they disparage it thus marginalizing it politically. I just think, this is a new day, a new direction with young people using a technology that refuses to be controlled. And quite frankly, it is about time. Harwood is one of those “inside the beltway” reporters who drinks from the same watering hole everyone else does–they talk to each other and no one else. To say that Obama’s speech at the HRC dinner would keep the LGBT community in-line, indicates that he is not talking to the community–just the insiders at HRC. I doubt Harwood will get fired, he has about 10 lives to spare. He used to write for the WSJ, has this gig with CNBC and gets onto MSNBC too.
Washington reporters think talking to HRC lobbyists is talking to the LGBT community—WRONG! Keep it up Pam!
I suggest netroots SHOW IT’S ANGEREVERY Obama email we recieve asking us to donate or carry water for Healthcare, or Afghanistan or Stimulus, Education,, Cap and Trade….respond demanding the WH source of Harwood’s comment.
Someone is gonna be publicly held accountable.
I will point you to…Jane Hamsher, who is not an LGBT blogger.
White House Contempt for Bloggers and “Left of the Left” is a Pattern
http://campaignsilo.firedoglak…
Just responded to one of the Obama emails I gotObama representative,
After the unprecidented support Obama’s campaign recieved from the NETROOTS and in particular the LGBT sites, we DEMAND the WH source of the John Harwood remarks of left wing fringe, and bloggers needing to take off their pajamas and go out into the real world.
THIS won’t go away either Harwood lied or you did…..OWN UP!
Fox will attribute it to “the secret internet czar”Someone needs to come clean or I will assume the WH is doing a CYA
typos unprecedented, and receivedFound two other Obama emails in my deleted file, sent them a responce too and saved this response to use day after day after day. I get dozens of Obama emails each week.
SHOCK! Obama Inc. couldn’t possibly diss their critics…
……after all, look at how he immediately kept all his campaign promise to The Gays:
Not only did he lead Congress to repeal DOMA and DADT but he and Michelle are throwing Dan Choi and Victor Fehrenbach’s weddings to their male partners in the Rose Garden. What will you and your partner be wearing, Pam? Shall we go in on gifts? Car pool?
Even before his auto fellatio …..er recycling long-ago abandoned primary campaign promises…..at the HRC dinner, I no longer gave a flying fuck what he, or anyone working for him, SAYS or doesn’t SAY!!! If fewer gays had Battered Wife Syndrome, he might actually have DONE something more for us than smile fuck us at the same his DOJ was defending DOMA and DADT in court and Choi, Fehrenbach, Sandy Tsao, and nearly 450 other gay servicemembers wouldn’t have faced discharge by now…and counting.
David Mixner has the solution for that:
It’s timeTime for the White House to react by firing another black guy.
too latemy jammies are already in the mail
Geek – meet reality
The healthcare/wall street mess is what has ensured that the theocratic party will take back at least the House in 2010.
Perhaps THAT is why people are getting a bit antsy about getting the gettable (like ENDA; sorry folks, but a DOMA repeal is something from munchkin-land) NOW.
Best response to this fiasco
first one fired….Black lesbian perverts
YupI’m not yelling and not in my pajamas- I just want to know which messenger to trust.
Ah, what the hell am I sayin’- I’m just a leftist blogger!
Hee!Dys, ya never fail to make me smile. Yours is truly a wicked wit, which up here is high praise!
Glenn Greenwald is so right about the Patience AgendaMore from Glenn (thank you, thank you). http://www.salon.com/opinion/g…
The goalpost keeps moving, so why should we be patient, Joe Solmonese?
in 5,4,3,2,1 I expect a half hearted Republican-style apologyI’m sorry if this remark offended YOU
Checkin’ the oil under Da BusObama sez: “”I am concerned that if the direction of the news is all blogosphere, all opinions, with no serious fact-checking, no serious attempts to put stories in context, that what you will end up getting is people shouting at each other across the void but not a lot of mutual understanding,”"
What that translates to from Obamaish to English is: “Thank you blogosphere for putting my two-faced ass in office. Now, frak off and shut up.”
My third-party vote looks shinier by the day.
Guess you did not read Glen Greenwald’s article.I agree that this comment would not be outrageous if viewed in the prism of a single instance. However, there is already a long documented pattern that this WH does in fact look at the netroots as a fringe element that they can easily dismiss at every corner. Obviously, you have not been looking around much to have missed this persistant pattern.
GG:
“The only thing remarkable about the comments Harwood passed on is that anyone would be surprised by them. In that regard, the furor over Obama’s complete inaction on gay issues vividly illustrates the same elements that shape political controversies in virtually every other area — from war to civil liberties to health care and beyond:
Pretty words and inspiring pageantry from the President, accompanied by endless inaction or contradictory policies;
Hordes of people who believe in their heart of hearts that the administration is led by such a nice, just and likable man that it couldn’t possibly be guilty of anything worse than a little benign political calculation (just as the evangelical, Texas-swaggering Bush did for Red State loyalists, the urbane, charming and highly intelligent Obama possesses all the cultural markers of a good and decent person for Blue State loyalists, and thus simply can’t be capable of anything malicious or destructive — there’s a reason Bill Maher tried to remind liberals: ”He’s your president, not your boyfriend”);
Organizations (exemplified by the truly dreadful HRC) that suck funding out of progressives and serve as liberal validators of administration conduct whose overaching devotion is to the Democratic Party and the administration rather than the causes they claim to promote (fortunately, civil liberties groups are the exception, as they have remained steadfast, unapologetic, independent and principled in harshly criticizing Obama); and,
Deeply personalized scorn directed at those who try to hold Democrats and the Obama administration accountable — since they’re the ones who control all branches of government with huge majorities — rather than devote all their energies to the cheap and easy partisan task of ridiculing and blaming a marginalized, impotent conservative movement which is a small minority and currently wields no power in Washington.
I have no idea who the person is who said this to Harwood or how influential or obscure s/he might be, but whoever it is, that person is anything but unusual or aberrational. Quite the opposite.
It’s often forgotten or obscured, but the central political fact now is that the Democratic Party controls everything in Washington — from the branches of government to favors doled out to lobbyists to the policies that Congress and the President enact. Wars that are fought and bills that are or are not passed and policies that are maintained are, by definition, Democratic actions. The dreaded Right can’t dictate or stop anything. That’s the burden of having massive majorities in all areas — everything that happens is the result of what the Democratic Party does, and that’s why the divisions and conflicts that truly matter are ones with the party itself. The “right v. left” and even “Democrat v. GOP” drama dominates most of our discourse, yet at this point it is a distracting and largely irrelevant food fight. It’s the Democrats who have won the last two elections by large margins and wield all the power, and increasingly the defining conflict is between those whose overarching allegiance is to Obama and the Party as ends in themselves, and those who see those things as mere means to more important ends”.
Because…Simply put, if advocates cannot get elected then you won’t get any favorable policies.
You can push all you want, but if the Democrats lose in 2010 then you are guaranteed to get nothing.
As it stands we are looking at hate crimes passing shortly and ENDA by the end of the year. That’s not bad. If the Democrats lose you DEFINATELY won’t make any more progress since Congress won’t be passing anything afterwards.
Is it not better to win slowly than halt progress entirely?
That really is the core issue here. You can either be patient now and have a fair shot at long term success, your yell and scream in order to help put people into power that will actively try to overturn any progress made.
Your choice.
Patience is a virtue.
You reminded me of this poster from the primaries
Prominent gay blogger Pam Spaulding weighed in with the following on her personal site:Prominent…that’s more like it…..*snap*
forgot Sam Stein Link at huff Po Prominent gay blogger Pam Spaulding weighed in with the following on her personal site:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…
IncrementalismAhh yes because there is a strong history of those who have their rights come back to help those who don’t. You just pull that ladder up with you.
All opinions, no serious fact checking?As if the mainstream media doesn’t seem to be spinning every single piece of news they get?
I’ll be honest, most of my news is stuff I actually care about. Like MY RIGHTS. When I want to know how the process of earning MY RIGHTS is going, I come here to Pam’s House Blend. The mainstream media doesn’t care about how my rights are going, because despite the fact that it’s clearly just a moral issue, nobody wants to actually get involved in it because we’re all afraid to say the word ‘gay’.
So, I come to PHB when I want to read news. The only other place I go is CNN, which at least streams important LGBT events without spinning it like Fox does. Or Beck. The only other things I find important on CNN would be internet/tech news and I guess the occasional Oprah article (don’t laugh at me), but aside from that, PHB does give me the facts, or at least links me right to them.
Guess what gets you votes, buddy? Opinions do!
I read itI’m not convinced. I still think this is a hollow issue.
Hmmmmmm“To say that Obama’s speech at the HRC dinner would keep the LGBT community in-line, indicates that he is not talking to the community — just the insiders at HRC.”
Especially the ones who could afford the $1,000+ it probably took just for the “honor” of sitting in the nosebleed section! I wonder how much it cost to be up front so one could actually see the president?
The HRC galas here in Ohio are way outside the range of the everyday TLBG person… hell it cost me $75 just to attend the Ohio Democratic Party’s GLBT Caucus last year in Columbus, not including the cost of the gas!
AFAIC, the HRC is nothing more than a bag of hot air — they claim to be mainstream, yet still in MY opinion see the poorer TLBGs as beneath their notice, and Ts as a whole non-entities!
Jesus Pam, we Conservatives Told you This was going to Happen Last Year.I write Sullivan from time to time about this. He too had inordinate faith in Teh Won. The HRC Dinner was yet another example of table scraps thrown at your community by a White House that has your lunch money and knows you aren’t going anywhere.
What the WH is doing is rather simple. Axelrod wants to provoke the “Gay Left” (that would be people like you) into attacking that nice, reasonable guy in the White House for not moving fast enough on “their” issues. In this way, you, people like Mike Rogers and even the Greenwalds of this world. Reasonable Guy has all sorts of problems on his plate, like Unemployment, the Falling Dollar, and Afghanistan.
Why are you Gays and Lesbians attacking Reasonable Guy over these penny ante, dimestore issues that are only important to your group, not to “Working Families”? “Why can’t you put the country first!? You’re starting to sound like Limbaugh! Are you sure you’re good Democrats?”
(You can see how this stuff gets focus grouped).
Of course they denied it. They deny everything they do. They didn’t expect you to believe them. They WANT you to know the price of attacking this White House. They want you to know that there is a price for Disloyalty. It’s the Chicago Way.
Why do you think they’ve taken after FOX News? Because they really hate FOX News? Not a chance. Going after FOX News will solidify the Base to the White House in an environment in which same WH knows it won’t get everything they want on HCR and Cap and Tax. And they know that you people will go off in the Shiny Pony hunt they want you to go on.
But they also want you to think twice before criticizing them or even dreaming of becoming their enemy. This White House lives off of opponents’ fear of them. That’s why more and more Republicans are starting to march under Palin’s banner: she’s the only Republican who is absolutely unafraid to fight this President and his machine tooth and claw. She’s also the only Republican who has apparently read Alinsky and internalized his masterwork, Rules for Radicals, but I digress.
Don’t expect anything on DADT anytime soon. Obama has too many Blue Dogs in trouble, even though it’s a stupid rule that needs repeal immediately if not sooner. Harry Truman would have done something about DADT by now.
Of course, Obama is no Harry Truman, is he?
so close…… then you went off the deep end championing Palinno cigar
Kat, I don’t think the GOP will retake the HouseHowever, the Democrats will not retain the filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. That’s the real loss.
There’s the old quote that given the choice between a real Republican and a Democrat who acts like a Republican, the voters will choose a Republican every time.
That’s partially true. The reality, I think, is that a Democrat who acts like a Republican demoralizes her or his own base so much that they do not turn out to vote. It’s the lack of turnout that is the biggest threat to incumbents. It’s why there is going to be a strong liberal challenge to Sen. Bennet in Colorado. It’s why the playbook that says to use the “What’s the Matter with Kansas” strategy with the Democratic constituencies dooms incumbents to irrelevancy. The demoralization of the Republican base is what led to the Congressional victories for Democrats.
This is what will make Obama an embarrassing one-term President. If he didn’t want to govern, he shouldn’t have run. Americans were hoping for a domestic focus, but the Democrats are refusing to deliver any domestic progress and Obama is too weak to twist arms.
On the positive side, dinner party at my place election night 2010. It will probably just be spaghetti, but I make a mean homemade sauce.
You’re so cuteI want to dress you up like a bumblebee for Halloween.
“does not reflect White House thinking at all”Now, why does that sound familiar? Oh yes, it’s the same CYA they used for the DOMA hate brief. Apparently very little, if anything, done by members of this administration actually reflects administration policy. The obvious conclusion is that Obama is not really in charge of things. So who’s actually directing policy–and action? Rahm?
We’ll be seeing a lot more of this, I imagine: Someone in this executive department or that one, in this room in the WH or that one, does or says something completely outrageous, something that infuriates the base or part of it. Then a day later we get the “does not reflect our policy” bullcrap. But no heads ever roll. The DOJ clown–was his name West?–who wrote the hate brief is still there in the DOJ, up to who knows what kind of mischief now. This anonymous source remains anonymous and retains his job. There is a pattern of dishonesty emerging here that, mark my words, in the fullness of time will remind us more and more of the Bush administration.
Sad but true.