NOTE: There are three updates below.
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In an NBC report less than 24 hours after the President declared his unwavering support for the LGBT community, the White House has decided to sh*t on citizen journalists on the left who are simply advocating for our civil rights. This is a real shot across the bow. Via Americablog:
NBC News’ John Harwood just reported that an Obama administration staffer advisor today called the gay community part of “the Internet left fringe,” and therefore the White House is not concerned about the gay community’s, and other Democrats’, concerns that the president isn’t keeping his promises. As part of its report on today’s gay march, NBC’s Harwood said the following:
Barack Obama is doing well with 90% or more of Democrats so the White House views this opposition as really part of the Internet left fringe.
Harwood then went on to say that the White House thinks that:
For a sign of how seriously the White House does or doesn’t take this opposition, one adviser told me those bloggers need to take off the pajamas, get dressed, and realize that governing a closely divided country is complicated and difficult.
Wow. Nice to know that asking to pass federal legislation (ENDA) so my fellow North Carolinian LGBTs don’t get canned for being who they are is a “fringe” activity. I must remind the White House that North Carolina delivered for him in 2008, and LGBT support was key, and was leaned on for support in a big way.
Nice to know that asking to pass federal legislation related to national security (repeal of DADT) when our military forces are strained and the Obama administration is mulling an increase in troops in Afghanistan is a “fringe” activity.
I guess asking for any of the long list of issues to be addressed before 2012 (since re-election isn’t a given in the reality-based universe) is a “fringe” activity.
I guess all of that “support” he doled out last night at the HRC dinner and the fact Candidate Obama said to hold him accountable was conditional if you’re LGBT. Or maybe civil rights matters are don’t qualify for the “keep up the pressure” policy.
It doesn’t matter why this behavior is occurring, really. What one has to take away from this message, naturally not attributed to anyone at the WH — cowards — is that bloggers are messing up their playbooks. And the answer is to diminish what influence we have — it’s limited at best. You have to ask why is this paranoid, juvenile message getting tossed out there. All those big brains in the White House and the best they can do is to bring up the hoary pajama game?
Here is the transcript via FDL:
LESTER HOLT: John what we saw in that protest today, was it simply frustration or does it represent a serious problem the President is having with an important part of his base?JOHN HARWOOD: As a practical matter Lester I don’t think it’s a serious problem. we’ve seen and certainly Bill Clinton learned that they Democratic President can get punished by the mainstream of the electorate for being too aggressive on social issues so for now I think the administration feels that if they take care of the big issues – health care, energy, the economy – he’s going to be just fine with this group.
HOLT: But in general when yo look at the left as a whole, have there been conversations about some things they thought would have been done but haven’t?
HARWOOD: Sure but If you look at the polling, Barack Obama is doing well with 90% or more of Democrats so the White House views this opposition as really part of the “internet left fringe” Lester. And for a sign of how seriously the White House does or doesn’t take this opposition one adviser told me today those bloggers need to take off their pajamas get dressed and realize that governing a closely divided country is complicated and difficult.
So which Barack Obama is it — the one who said to challenge him, or a fragile flower that panders to LGBTs then has a coward source backstab? To me the WH has just declared war on us after a wine and dine with the right kind of LGBTs that don’t make trouble for them. Someone has to answer to this.
Or do I just need to fold my hands in my pajama-clad, Cheetos-stained lap like a good homo?
Time to weigh in…
Related:
* On Obama’s HRC keynote — plus watching our movement in flux
* Joe Solmonese clarifies the 2017 message delivered in HRC e-blast
* Is HRC telling people to sit hands folded for Obama re: progress until 2017?
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UPDATE: You wouldn’t believe some of the excuses flying around on FB and Twitter saying “oh, you shouldn’t pay attention to anon sources” or “the WH wouldn’t say that” or that this statement somehow is NBC reporter John Harwood making the sh*t up, or that “he didn’t say LGBT bloggers” (ok, that one is just lame — I said in the headline “part of pajama-clad ‘Internet fringe’” – AND the reporter’s filing a report about NEM, for god’s sake, lolol).
Well, sitting in this chair, SOMEONE needs to take responsibility for the statement because it is someone’s POV, one believed to be widely held by insiders about progressive bloggers, but never articulated so boldly.
The remarks are an insult to people like me (and readers), who know how complicated governing and legislating are, and many of us do this from a perspective of 1) being in a state where waiting DOES matter and, in my case 2) I blog and work a full time job, at the expense of my own health, not to be a muckraker, but to make a difference. If someone has a different perspective and dismisses me outright, I do have a right to be angry and demand someone own their statement. When I say something it’s straight up, you mean to tell me no one has the stones to own their opinions up there? That’s pathetic. Anonymous or not, the statement’s out there now for all to see.
The bottom line is that it’s one of three things — 1) Harwood is lying or 2) The White House is playing two-faced; or 3) they’ve got a lunatic loose high level advisor who is off message.
The WH needs to clear it up pronto.
UPDATE 2: I had to change the headline of this post because people appear to be too lazy to read the transcript to see that Harwood’s source according to him said “the White House views this opposition as really part of the “internet left fringe.” Someone has to own the quote, which is referring to the NEM pop as “this opposition” and encompassing progressive bloggers generally, and many LGBT bloggers that have been critical are a slice of the progressive blogosphere. I understand people wanting to parse this stuff to death to avoid the fact that SOMEONE said this (or Harwood made it up) and has to answer to the statement.
BTW, we’re not the only ones “bellyaching”– take this scorching review by Time Mag’s John Cloud, “Obama’s Gay Outreach: All Talk, No Action”” :
Saturday night President Obama charmingly delivered a rather bleak message to the gay community on the eve of its latest march on Washington. In a speech to the world’s largest gay political group, the Human Rights Campaign, Obama essentially said two things: I’m with you. But I can’t do much for you.
…Obama patted himself on the back for his party’s passage earlier in the week of a a hate-crimes bill that, for the first time, includes gay and transgender people. And he used the opportunity to tell gay critics who have expected so much of him to express what he expects of them. The hate-crimes bill, he said, had become law only because those who believed in it had thoroughly educated the public about why it was important. “Countless activists and organizers never gave up,” he said. “You held vigils. You spoke out year after year, Congress after Congress.”
Obama is right, in a civics-class sort of way, because social change can’t occur if it’s forced from the top-down. But that’s also a convenient argument for him, since it defers responsibility from his office.
UPDATE 3: As Jane Hamsher notes, the White House can clear this up quite handily (or face questions about it during Gibbs’s next press briefing).
If the administration wasn’t in the habit of giving anonymous quotes on a daily basis that might be fair, but reporters regularly complain that they show up for ON the record briefings at the White House only to be told that it’s on background. It’s a regular habit so you can’t just say that the ones you don’t like aren’t legitimate. They need to stop the practice completely or take responsibility for the ones that get out there that backlash on them. There’s a reason the person didn’t give their name.
Harwood said that “the White House views this opposition as really part of the ‘internet left fringe’” so yes, you’re right, he did make the connection – based on what he says he was told. By an aide in the White House, knowing he was going on the national news momentarily to talk about the march.
The appropriate thing for the White House to do at this point is free Harwood up to reveal his source. Because if they just deny that the statement was accurate without doing so, it’ll always be trapped in that nether region of journalistic privilege. And the “anonymous source” will have achieved their desired objective of getting it out there without having to wear it.
And if Harwood is lying, he should have to own that, too. But the only way we’ll know for sure is if they free him up to reveal the source and the source contradicts him on the record.




143 Comments


A “Wow” for the Obama staffer who said this.I’m transgender. I’ve never been paid per article to write a piece — ever. What opportunity do people who are as disenfranchised as trans community members — trans people like me — afforded in the legacy, mainstream press?
Seriously, I feel the despite. Seriously, why aren’t they growing up and recognizing that the netroots are part of their base?
Wow. What a way to piss off members of the blog who were at the Democratic National Convention.
Oh boy.I’m not quite taking this in… seriously.
Vague reference to unnamed source?“those bloggers” refer to who EXACTLY? entire left? queer left? Why not name source? Lets pick our battles wisely – this is a ‘story’ with little to no substance. Hyperbole by an unnamed source echoed in a vague way by NBC reporter.
Which staffer had Rahm Immanuel’s hand up his ass?Cause this sure is what this sounds like. Rahm (and the DNC) are happy to take our dollars. But when it comes to press time, this is what we get.
Remember…Rahm is one of those Blue Dog Dems…
I’m with Queer JohnLet’s tread lightly with this one. I don’t trust anything about it at all.
This White House lost me before the electionSo I don’t really give a good goddam what Rahm’s puppets spout off to their corporate media handlers. (And by the way, I sleep naked.)
Cheetos?NEVER! Kettle Salt & Vinegar for me.
OK Seriously, I think everyone should write in my wife for 2012. Or maybe Baldwin/Grayson. I know! Botzer/Anderson (Anderson = my wife).
I’m similarly hesitant on this one.I thought journalists weren’t supposed to give anonymous sources a forum to talk crap.
…I think this is the video that goes along w/ the post….
For some reason it will not embed so here is the link…
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21…
the Viet Cong wore pajamas tooFringe, huh? People wanting to serve in the U.S. military, get married and raise a family, work at a productive job. Fringe.
This schizophrenia needs to stopWe get rousing speeches pre-election to get our vote. Then we get that insulting-azz DOJ brief comparing us to pedophiles. Then in front of the tea-and-finger-sandwich crowd there’s another inspiring speech about how BHO stands with us. Then today we’re the pajama-clad fringe again?
WTF? over!
Not one thin dime, not one more vote until somebody up there gets their shit together and gets some action going in a positive direction. They have not seen fringe lunatic — yet. My last gay nerve is not that ->.<- long now. They can stick this on-again-off-again up their azzes.
And PS: I sleep nekkid, too.
That’s protection of the forum against code injection.
OMGI am so fucking pissed right now! At least with Bush we knew what we were gonna get. Same with McInsane. But this guy. This guy takes the cake. A car salesman has more scruples than this administration.
Impenetrable HubrisHow insulting can you possibly get??? WTF are the Obama WH morons doing? So I guess HUBRIS is the only term left to describe the Obama White House.
So be it. I know I am powerless to change others. I am powerful enough to change myself and my vote.
I will never again accept condecending remarks such as these from anyone, especially the WH and Obama.
They can eat my pajammas and the cat they rode in on. I am through with them. I will get my equality and civil rights in spite of them. Time to walk over, under or around these aholes as they clearly do not get it as their HUBRIS is impenetrable.
told you soI am so not surprised. I’ve said all along that heterosupremacist in chief Obama is continuing to pander to his tyrannical theocRAT supporters who voted against marriage equality. He will continue to discharge gay men and women under Don’t Ask Just Kick the Fags Out & Replace them with Felons & Fascists. He will continue to do nothing while lesbians and gay men are beat up in the military to out them. He will continue to block Congress from passing legislation ending Just Kick Fags Out & ending the Discriminatory Offensive Marriage Attack.
All through his campaign speech at HRC I kept saying, “I’ll believe it when I see it.” Do you see it, too?
video linkThe video of that is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…
I thoughtAs I was reading it, I was thinking that it was probably Rahm who said it. It just sounds like him.
I’d suggest not watching Morning Joe tomorrow
I’d suggest not watching Morning Joe tomorrow. I think The Scar has it in his contract that he has to defame bloggers as being Cheeto-addled at least twice per show (either that, or he has a sexual issue with orange, crunchy things.)
Coupled with ‘teh gay’, he and his chorus o’ privilege (read: Jonathan Capehart) will spew ‘incremental’ so much that they’ll end up owing royalties to Hillary Rosen.
The embed:
The title of this article is a little misleadingBecause even if the quote is 100% accurate (look! an unnamed source), it does not say LGBT people. It was only in regards to the marchers today. Are we trying to be reasonable or just insight anger.
Thanks!!How do you embed?
Did the White House call the marching teabaggers pajama wearing cheeto addicts?Either the President or his staff are absolutely tone deaf, or both. Do they think the hundreds of thousands of people who traveled to DC this weekend are all fringe leftists?
Ah yes.In this case, while I disagree with your overall assumption, I find the skepticism healthy.
So, who else might the report have meant?
I’m curious.
HUH???Please remember I’m blonde so type slowly…..
BTW… Doesn’t everyone sleep naked???
Well I know my wife didn’t when we first got together but I quickly let her know we were not having a pajama party so she needed to undress appropriately…. shes been sleepin naked every since….lol
Obama and friends,If governing is so complicated and difficult for you, step aside and quit whining about it. Where’s Pam’s picture of the world’s smallest viloin?
Go to the you tube page where the video is atCopy the embed code (on the right of the page) and paste it into the comment window.
Perhaps the staffer was only referring to Lady Gaga?
But I don’t wear pajamas.Actually, I don’t think I own any pajamas.
Indeed, I’m usually dressed. Some have said provocatively, even.
I’m quite aware of how complicated it is. I’m also aware of the preamble of the Constitution, which makes this little point about ensuring domestic tranquility.
Why, some have made comparisons to this big ugly period of a few years about 70 years after the constitution was put into effect. Some kind of civil strife.
So I am personally finding it interesting that a person who sits in an office more or less charged with ending division in a closely divided country chooses to maintain the status quo.
Then again, the subtext is about political capital and its use — when you have 70% of the public thinking you are doing damn good, 15% telling you your birth cert is false, and another 15% telling you you aren’t doing enough for them, well…
Yeah, you go with the 70%. It’s the smart move, politically. It’s “more uniting”.
Me, I still say that if we really want to change things like this, we need to get our 10% of the congress — 44 Representatives, 10 Senators. Then try and tell us to kiss off.
(breakdown: 4 Straight, 10 Gay male, 10 lesbian, 20 bisexual in House, 2 each GLS and 4 B in in the Senate, with 4 of the House Trans and 2 of the Senate Trans).
I’d like to see the OFFICIAL WH statementJust to eliminate John Harwood misrepresenting the WH it seems a very stupd thing to do, and while Obama disappoints me, one thing I’d never say that he is stupid.
If in fact this acurately reflects the WH….Houston we have a P.R.O.B.L.E.M….that isn’t gonna be a kiss and make up, NOT in the next 4 years.
Rham Emmanule is a bigger scumbag than even I imaginedTERMINATE WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE.
Since they are happy having 90% of the base happyWe’ll just withhold our 10% campaign donations
Not small change mind you.
Dena
I want the House!OK so I have a closet full of skeletons but I want to be in the house because that’s where all the fun fights are. And I am a brawler so would never do well in the too-polite senate! OK who else we got? Oh and if you elect my wife POTUS, I’ll e sleeping with her and can pass along our concerns during pillow-talk. Of course, I wouldn’t need to because she’s Trans too!
Yes.Since at least the Age of Reagan, the word “leftist” has ceased to mean “socialist.”
For example, anyone who opposed the right-wing death squads rampaging through Central America during Reagan Time was a leftist. Translation: If you think murder is wrong, you are a leftist.
Anyone who has thought that Palestians have a right to exist is a leftist. Anyone who realized that Colin Powell was lying to the U.N. in his shameful speech about WMDs in Iraq is a leftist.
So, who should be surprised that someone who wants basic human rights for himself is a leftist?
They’re pissed about the protest coverageand the articles suggestig that we don’t follow the HRC, and contrasting the marchers with the black tie dinner.
Tis ok
I am pissed at them
Kucinich’12
He likes us and he takes stands.
Greatthanks.
Shall we Lesbians send our nightshirts to the White House?It is as close to pajamas as most of us ever use, but only in winter.
They can have my old “Cape Cod” shirt.
I want to keep my Hillary shirt.
She stands for issues,
She still has her spine
And she doesn’t get along with Dr Rahm Strangelove
Were the marchers today wearing pajamas?
I’d rather been knownas a Cheetos eater and not a teabagger.
Dena
OHMIGOD–Let’s Do ItFlood the white house mail room with gay and lesbian’s pj’s and nightshirts!!!!!
Vile and insultingHowever, I’m going to wait and see on this one. It seems we aren’t getting the whole story. I never like to go ballistic until I’m completely aware of the whole ugly truth.
Could be a gesture of contempt PeteyHe really seems determined to ordain the HRC as our ‘official voice’ so as to be able to do political deals.
We spoiled his news cycle
And bags of CheetosLOTS of bags of Cheetos…
Dena
Even mathematically……the 90% calculation is stupid. If 10% of those who voted for Obama had voted for McCain instead, McCain would have won handily. If 10% of those who voted for Obama had just stayed home, Obama would have won by a slim margin, a margin he may not have next time around.
Even more important are those who didn’t vote for either candidate, who number in the tens of millions. Some of us didn’t vote for Obama because we thought we already knew what he was really like. If he intends to win next time around, he may well need some of our votes, but since he has proven us correct in our first judgement, it doesn’t look as if he will get them.
Folks….I must be getting old because I starting to see something here….It seems to me that blogs are increasing losing focus on what role the president should play in supporting GBLT equality. They stir up anger without consideration for who should be in the driver’s seat of OUR movement. WE set the timeline for our movement, not the president. We do this by making our case with the American people and, through representation, our elected officials including the president. Expecting the president to do for us what we have not done for ourselves is foolish. We have not yet made that case with the American people (witness the losses to gay marriage bans including Proposition 8). There is still a very organized and destructive anti-gay element in our society that we avoid through hiding in liberal enclaves and blogs. The very first thing we must do is build community. We must acknowledge all community members and create support networks to weather attacks and setbacks. We must also leave the bubble of comfort-ability (liberal urban vs conservative rural; blog vs face-to-face contact) to change hearts and understand the minds of those we need to enlighten. Ironically, we may just see this effort work in Maine for the first time in our favor. When we have built that kind of political and social clout, we can then take the case to the president, who, I have no doubt will support every way he can. WE HAVE NOT BUILT THAT CLOUT YET. I don’t know about you, but I elected this president to do many things, including address: the economy; the environment; GLBT rights, health care reform; etc. I do not expect results in just 9 months. So I cannot share the outrage vented here because it IS understandable but unrealistic.
OK The Gloves are off — PERMANENTLY!Latest FaBlog: Divide and (Presumably) Conquer
Oh, but I do so love this.Hell, I’d go out and buy a pair just for that purpose.
In fact, yes. Yes, let’s do that. I absolutely will do it. I’ve got 10 bucks I can spare — I can get another two weeks out of my nails, lol.
bwahahahhaha — I’m heading to the post office tomorrow — and my note will be handwritten:
Dear Mr. President.
Please give these pajamas to the person who called this extremely centrist ex republican blogger a part of the fringe left.
I’ve marked the bottoms with a location for them to kiss.
Thank you
Dyssonance.
I thought HRC was supposed to be our “clout”Guess I was fucking wrong.
Dena
I wanted to express that’s the reason the video will not embed
The forum software doesn’t allow certain content for commenters because it could be abused for script injection or embedding third-party web pages. Imagine some spambot or somebody who wants to distribute malware could post active content.
Spelling it out…First Lieutenant Dan Choi, a West Point graduate and Arabic linguist, is really just a member of the Internet left fringe,who needs to take off the pajamas, get dressed, and realize that governing a closely divided country is complicated and difficult.
NAACP Chairman Julian Bond, a leader of the American Civil Rights Movement, is really just a member of the Internet left fringe,who needs to take off the pajamas, get dressed, and realize that governing a closely divided country is complicated and difficult.
Judy Shepard, mother of Matt Shepard and civil rights advocate, is really just a member of the Internet left fringe,who needs to take off the pajamas, get dressed, and realize that governing a closely divided country is complicated and difficult.
Cleve Jones, lifelong civil rights advocate, is really just a member of the Internet left fringe,who needs to take off the pajamas, get dressed, and realize that governing a closely divided country is complicated and difficult.
We are way past you Richard.We already do have clout, political and social. You are right, not the HRC kind of clout that we rejected years ago.
Go ahead and wait Richard. Lead, follow or get out of our way please.
Thank you.
The MSNBC embed code …… contains forbidden HTML elements, YouTube’s doesn’t.
So you have to steal the video (of this
assholejournalist) via YouTube.Re watching the video Harwood is giving HIS opinion in the first partHe says “I think” the WH feels this isn’t a serious problem, then discusses his opinion about Democrat presidents (ie. Clinton.)Then Harwood segues to what a WH official says about the LEFT being 90% behind Obama, and 10% of the LEFT needs to take off their Pajamas….
There was actually no statement about LGBTs or marhers today from the WH.
ok I gotcha
thanks
pajama party with a fringe on topLet’s get this Pajama Party started
http://apps.facebook.com/white…
or http://www.facebook.com/WhiteH…
Remember your fringes
@vanhattanFor your information, I lead everyday by talking to the homophobes you don’t talk to. And you know what, I am by myself doing this way too much. If you gurls got the clout then making sure we win Maine. Because I don’t see the gameplan if we don’t. And here in Washington state, we are defending domestic partnerships. Cause we are going backwards here (remember the goal is marriage).
Spell checkAnd add a few more:
Cynthia Nixon: Sex in the city star who looks great in PJs. Left winger for sure.
Lady GaGa: Intersexed queer entertainer who gets in catfights with Madonna. So fringe left wing she is off the stage.
Dustin Lance Black: Queer dude who wrote a screen play about a commie fag dude living in SF during the 70s. Should have been locked up with the rest of the Hollywood commies.
The list goes on and on. All present at the Mall today and all their supporters around the world were wearing PJs and messing them up with their orange cheeto’s stained fingers.
My Cape Cod shirt is in a priority mail box.ready to go on Tuesday.
addressed to the President
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Someone should remind the Demsthat’s how they lost the 2000 election — “10%” in Florida chosed to vote for the Green Party candidate (which I don’t recall the name). But of course it’s mathematically insignificant.
You assume too much Don’t play martyr victim with me. You have absolutely no idea whom I speak with everyday. If you would have asked I would have told you.
BTW, I have been active in both Manie and Washington. You are not the only one.
@vanhattanSo how much community do we have here? I have not assumed anything. Can you tell why we have lost every gay marriage ban put on the ballot? Are you just waiting for the right to use that clout? Really……..why has it happened?
“gurls”?WTF?
Dena
Unrelated butI just saw a LDS Church ad for free bibles on the blend front page..and then some ad for Florida on the right bar. I’m sure they’re not on purpose, but oh the cognitive dissonance.
One more thing….Many left wing fringe internet bloggers begged and pleaded and then made reasonable arguments for the President to take out 30 seconds of his HRC speech to mention Maine and Washington and their present stuggles. Did he??? NO HE DID NOT. It would not have taken him 9+ months to mention WA or ME now would it have? 30 seconds is all it would have taken.
Dena, I agree. Richard is quite insulting isn’t he!
Look, I’m not trying to be meanspirited but can anyone answer what happened to our clout?Just a question – would be really nice if someone could explain why we have this clout and also 36 states with gay marriage bans?
It Your Movement…..Not HisSorry just stating fact. You mention Maine and Washington. Tell us how we will win (I do believe we may win Maine).
We should all request a free LDS BibleThe way I see it every dollar they spend on those free Bibles is one less dollar they spend preventing my rights…. I usually sign up for all of the anti gays stuff… then burn it …If we all do it it will cost them more $$$ to produce their BS…
I really think this is Harwood’s opinion.Democrats in the mainstream media, our own progressive straight “allies” in the mainstream media, are always the ones who try to paint LGBTs as the fringe. They consider us a liability, and they always have. Target John Harwood, target the mainstream media.
HRC are the house [redacted]. Remember Ned Lamont!
It’s a movement he supposedly supports.Have you forgotten his promises to use the bully pulpit on our behalf? Where is the support he allegedly has for us? Because I don’t count speeches that only preach to the choir.
I’m going to wait before ripping Obama on this.The only time Hardwood said anything besides his own opinion was at the end when he cited a conveniently anonymous adviser. That doesn’t mean we should stay silent though. We got the DOMA brief changed, when can get to the bottom of this.
Because christian hate voters outnumber us by a wide marginAnd they breed faster, think less, and have a built in hate messaging machine in their pulpits.
Hey, you asked.
wowi had just gotten home from the march when i read this, and was thinking about how tomorrow’s agenda should include a letter to the president, given that yelling at the white house from outside the fence is not all that focused a means of communication. many questions remain about the harwood comment, but definitely good motivation for speaking one’s piece to the WH.
wowi had just gotten home from the march when i read this, and was thinking about how tomorrow’s agenda should include a letter to the president, given that yelling at the white house from outside the fence is not all that focused a means of communication. many questions remain about the harwood comment, but definitely good motivation for speaking one’s piece to the WH.
“Harwood”Damn tired fingers.
It’s Your Movement…….do you know what I am saying here?Look – the president is elected to office in a democracy. You change those voters and the president will follow. Get it?
I thought the president was supposed to be a leader.Why isn’t he working with us to change the minds of the voters?
It really is YOUR movement!Really! I know we lived with a dictator for the last 8 years but we are back to a democracy…sort of.
You need to tell the truth!You know you’re sitting there right now in your Wonder Woman Underoos. You don’t fool us! :)
No votes. No cash. Nothing, period.I am sick to goddamned death of the Obama administration. Give me an honest enemy any day over a snake in the grass.
So the president’s just a figurehead that signs bills?The president has constitutional power, power he promised to use on our behalf. He needs to start explaing why he hasn’t.
We give our support too easily.We don’t have as much clout as we could have because we give out our support too easily. What does a Democrat have to do in order to get the HRC or the gay community as a whole to support them? Not a lot.
Apparently they think of David Mixner as one of the pathetic fringe who don’t understand government, too. Disgusting.
No criticism for teabaggersObama made it a point to call Kanye West a jackass but thinks Joe Wilson is just peachy. Yeah, Obama’s a progressive all right.
So Think of the Civil Rights MovementDo you have any association with the movement and the president at that time…or are the associations with the people involved in the movement?
RichardI hope you realize the term “gurls” is considered insulting to some women.
Dena
So you don’t thiink that Obama could, maybe, oh……er, um, like, instruct his Justice Department to stop defending every anti-gay law in sight? You think that’s OUR job? You really think that’s something WE can do?
I was wondering about thatI was having similar issues with CNN video.
Thanks.
I am PART of the civil rights movement.Part of that is holding all of our elected officials, president included, to the promises they’ve made to us. I was originally part of the “give him time” group, but a line was crossed when he moved in the opposite direction of what he promised. Now it’s time for actions and answers.
Funny…
I seem to recall that the o-fish-al line two years ago was that the non-tranny-scum GLBs had indeed ‘built that clout’, but only enough of it to handle their own non-tranny-scum issues and that it was we tranny-scum that were spoiling their A-Gay party, which meant that jettisoning us from ENDA justified because there was enough clout to do the gay-only stuff and the cloutmesisters would have to do some more ed-ja-ma-katin’ on those tranny-scum issues.
I suppose that all of what has (not) happened since Jan. 20th is our fault?
Biggest Load of Bull Shit YetGuess what Mr. Smith – I don’t know about you, but I am an American citizen – born and bred proud New Englander, though I am in exile in the Mid-Atlantic right now.
I was born a member of the amazing society known as the USA. A place where people have rights no matter what some neighbor thinks about them. Except, of course, if you’re a faggot. Then, as Mr. Obama so eloquently put it last night, you’re expected to sit down, shut up and wait for the grown-ups to decide if you are to be considered a full and complete human being.
WELL FUCK THAT FUCKING SHIT!!!
John McCain didn’t have to get anyone’s permission before he left his wife, took up with a concubine and fathered three or so bastards, all the while demanding his adultery be considered equal to marriage. Rudy Guiliani did not ask anyone’s permission when he dumped his wife – ON TELEVISION – and took in a whore to Gracie Mansion. Why in the name of all that is holy should I, or ANY American citizen, be expected to wait until some arbitrary neighbor decides I’m worthy of respect before I am recognized as a human being?
Well said….If we still had a rating system I would give you a 4 ;p
AHH so THIS is what she meantMy friend said there was a name for those who will protect “attacks (you know from the Left)” against Obama at all cost. She said they are Obamapologists.
And Richard, since I have been an activist since I came out as a babydyke in the early 80′s I am well aware of the power that CAN be wielded on our behalf by political leaders. It is the reason we DEMAND that they lead when it comes to our rights.
The pajama game…I can see this conversation occuring. I would not be dreaming in my pj’s either.
Can’t we all justget naked instead?
White House Advisor=someone unimportantJust wanted to add some more thoughts ’cause I’ve been thinking about it.
Most Americans don’t differentiate between the LGBTs at the HRC dinner and the LGBTs at the National Equality March. As far as they’re concerned, were all just gays. Even CSPAN called the NEM the “Gay Rights March.”
If the WH wanted to spin LGBTs as part of the fringe left, Obama wouldn’t have spoken to the HRC. Because then it would come off to most Americans as the President spoke to the fringe left. That doesn’t make sense politically.
So I think whoever said it was not on the inside, or John Harwood took the advisor’s quote out of context and applied it to the story of the moment which was the NEM.
That’s why I think John Harwood was saying what he thinks the White House thinks of the NEM, or maybe just what he thinks of the NEM. It would be really strange (as in doing a shitty job as a correspondent) if he didn’t know Obama spoke to the HRC the night before. But it’s possible.
Either way, shitty job on the story on John Harwood’s part. This is his spin. I don’t think it’s the WH’s spin.
Beat you to it!Just kidding. I’m a good girl (most of the time)…
Dena
I usually ama day late and a dollar short. Or late to the party.
Are you a proud member of the internet left fringe?This really smells. It does the whiff of Rahm about it. And as a blogger, I do take offense. I’ve whipped up a badge if anyone is interested…
http://www.inlookout.com/wp-co…
Pajamas?You know what we do in Pajamas? We fuck.
So FUCK YOU
EmmanualOBAMA,Mixner was there, GandalfHe was there when the strength of Men failed.
Postedposted on the Internet Left Fringe website that I help run.
Whadda We Expect?We “fight” like wimps. People steal our lifelong earned pensions, traumatize our spouses and children in hospitals, and more, yet we come back at them with a piece of paper.
Maybe after 10-20 more years of this bullshit we’ll drop our stupid petitions and fundraisers and start fighting with things that actually have power.
Fuck The EstablishmentThe New Rules, a la Bill Maher:
http://gaytaxprotest.blogspot….
As Kyle’s Mom said on South Park…………What What WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?
Great catch!This story is a big deal, and you caught that right away.
Three words – “Wall Street Journal”
Three words – ”Wall Street Journal”:
“In 1991, he joined The Wall Street Journal as White House correspondent, covering the administration of the George H. W. Bush. Later Harwood reported on Congress. In 1997, he became the Journal’s Political Editor and chief political correspondent.
Harwood writes the newspaper’s political column, Washington Wire, and oversees the Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll. In March 2006, he joined CNBC as Chief Washington Correspondent.”
Source: http://www.cnbc.com/id/15838125/
I hope not.Democracy is not what we live in. We live in a Republic — a representative one that uses a democratic process.
And, in that process, those who are elected are supposed to lead, for one, and represent those who live in the country, for another.
THe President is not all things to all people — but bluntly he’s got to lead, and that means putting that political capital at risk — even just nine months in.
Let’s Hear it for the Gays!I wonder now if all the apologists for Obama who have opined on The Blend that he means well, his plate is full, he can’t change the world right away, we need to be patient, it’s game-changing that he spoke to the HRc and advocated our issues and so on are still going to urge us to wait, to not pressure him, to right this off as a minority opinion. To ignore it, in other words.
What galls me most about this anonymous paraphrase from the WH isn’t that it came on the heels of a pretty speech (and thanks, Pam for linking to TIME!), it’s that the White house is using rightwing language to attack us.
For years the Bush WH and the rightwing have slammed bloggers of all stripes as juvenile, stuck in their basement, cranky, out-of-touch and everything else you can think of.
And now the Obama WQhite House is using the same rhetoric?
This is our fierce advocate?
KucinichI’m hoping they don’t silence him and he runs int he primaries.
Speaking of pissed offDoesn’t it all feel classist? The fat cats in their black ties ate it all up with a spoon.
But not everyone else believed that you can piss down our backs and call it rain, to quote a Yiddish proverb.
But what about bloggers who wear peignoirs?
“I do not expect results in just 9 months”I do.
Here’s one thing I expected based on Obama’s campaign speeches: he could at any time have signed a stop-loss order which would have made it impossible for the military to discharge gay and lesbian servicemembers.
How physically hard would that have been? how much time from his busy schedule would that have stolen?
Letter to the White HouseI wrote one a while back, saying how dissasisfied I was with his lack of leadership on GLBT issues.
I got a “Send This to Pissed-Off Gays” form response.
I think Maura’s idea of sending pajamas might have more impact. It would certainly get some press attention.
I caught her on Saturday nightI laughed so hard I’m sore. When she talked about the bikini waxing I was on the floor gasping. I think a little pee came outta ME.
It is classist, the wealthy “conserva-queer” non LCR crowd.and I, by profession, etc, should be with them
But in the words of my mentor Rebeca, there would be no worse place for me to be.
I saw that Pam was upset by the actions of the graffitti artists at the HRC headquarters. Well, they didn’t even line and in fact dismissed our planned and permitted march.
Another slam from an ‘un-named source’ or a lecture on government, politics and strategy from Fannie Mae Barney ‘my ex boyfriend ran prostitution from a Congressman’s home’ Frank and I will be out there with them.
I remember how to paint slogans with stencils, much neater and you can do better designs.
don’t type before the first cup“they (the HRC, Barney and the White House) didn’t even like and in fact dismisssed our planned and permitted march”
More coffee, please.
And Levdid I tell you that my daughter is doing grad work at Brandeis?
My ex is chewing nails, wondering when her ‘radical liberalism” course is
You are not powerless, van, unless you believe thatr contention that you are“Voldemort wants you to believe that you are alone; you are less of a threat.”
Sooner or later, we will end up stepping this up to civil disobedience.
We’ve already made it up to non-HRC and Nn-Barney authorised marches…gosh, that’s like taking dad’s new Roller out for a drive without permission
Richard, I am with Hawke on thisWe’ve been out there for decades. Talking doing media, writing, speaking. The Right has been consistently lying about us. They incite hatred of us and we die, mostly the trans-people, at the rate of about one every eight days.
Many of us live out lives in their careers.
When we have people like Democratic Senator Casey undercutting the president nearly instantly, and knowing that there will be no retribution from on high or from the dark place below that is the realm of the white house chief of staff, then there is no real committment.
In fairness, this president has not lent that kind of moral authority to much of anything, save the speech on healthcare.
At some point, the head of state has to step in, forcefully, loudly and consistently.
I did this dance before, in another country, in a far more dangerous and direct way, helping to keep the army out fo Madrid til the King finally condemned the coup…..
Time for the King to overtly condemn homophobia. Time for the Kind to condemn the lies against us in Maine and Washington, two places whose names did not fall from his lips.
This has Rahm all over itSister Souljahing teh gays with 35- dimensional triangulating.
This is just so insulting.
OMGBrandeis! Socialism reigns.
As Maura said“Don’t type before a cup of coffee.”
But I think my typos are kind of cool Freudian slips.
–My low esteem for the HRC demoted their Campaign from capital C to lower case c
–I used “right” for “write,” evidently thinking about the rights we don’t have
–and I put a big ol’ “Q” in the White House
Q Power!
Maura, you strike gold once againThe heart of this issue is homo-hatred. It has to be named, shamed, and excoriated.
As for Presidents, Truman de-segregated the military before the height of the Civil Rights Movement and before any national outcry.
FDR started Lend-Lease to aid the British against the Nazis despite powerful isolationist sentiment in this country.
Presidents can lead. They can do the right thing.
It just takes courage and conviction.
This Comment is Actually No Surprise!This administration smiles in our face then turns and discounts our importance in this country. The fact is, they got our votes and our money during the last election but now we are an inconvenience. Their arrogance is astounding and quite disappointing since January 20th!
They seem to think we will automatically vote for them again in 2012 regardless of what they accomplish, well think again!
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Isn’t it sad?Most Americans have no idea this is a Republic, despite “and to the Republic for which it stands” in the Pledge of Allegiance.
Of course, that’s the theory, that’s the past. Whether we’re a Republic any longer is up for debate, as Chalmers Johnson lays out in the Sorrows of Empire and elsewhere.
why bother?Sooner or later the whiners on this blog will attribute this quote to Obama himself.
Such hilarity.
She’s a bit off her gameI love Wanda Sykes, I love how her comedy is not based in contempt, but in a kind of sharp comic compassion for how crazy life is. That smile!!! But some of her material was retread in this show, and overall her energy level has dipped.
Of course, that could all be due to have a happy marriage and kids.
I’m with you ther Lev…To me he is a oxymoron… a trusted politician…. One I would be happy to vote for.
I am soooo not going there, lol
Better a trusted enemy than an untrustworthy friend. n/t
Hardwoods are pretty denseAnd impervious to all sorts of things, like water, reason and good sense.
Methinks the Freudian slip is a good one.
Peg Noir?Wasn’t she in the Maltese Falcon?
Good for her/hands Maura 100% Kona to start the morning
What’s her program?
I take it backIn this sense: she was not as funny the first 40 minutes as she was after. Once she hit the bit about coming out as black, the whole evening moved to a higher gear, was funnier and she seemed more comfortable.
Barney did his reputation NO GOODAfter the non inclusive ENDA cr*p, and dismissing the NEM, he is seriously damaged goods NATIONALLY. His MA seat is probably as safe as it can be, but there won’t be National LGBT groups defending him or backing him up. OTHER LGBT legislators will be quoted reflecting the community, not Barney.
Dual Masters DegreeAnthropology/Archeology and….(gasp) Women’s Stidies/Gender Theory
WaspsStir up the wasp’s nests and they will respond in greater numbers.
Stir up the bloggers and they will respond more ferociously.
Isn’t it better not to stir up your enemies, but rather to stir up your friends?
All?Those who make all or nothing demands end up with nothing.
Whereas those who don’t demand anything get exactly what they’re asking for (n/t)
Taking off my pj’sWhen I take off my pajamas (or sleep separates), the last thing I get serious about is politics.
Though as Wanda Sykes says, I might be interested in a stimulus package.
So Obama, Barney Frank and Rahm Emanuel are miffed and vexed. Aaaaaaaah. Too bad.
Democrats opposed the NEM from day one because they understood it couldn’t help but be an anti-Obama, anti-Democrat rally. There’s been a sea change LGBT political consciousness. Cleve’s speech reflected that and so did others and the one of the march as a whole.
Democrats, including those self appointed movement hustlers who make big salaries running the “equality business” and lobbyists are front groups for the Democrats operating in our communities. We should permit them to support our struggle, but only on our terms. They have no right to pretend to be leaders. They’re the opposite of that – they’re lap dogs of the Democrats.
The time when the debate was framed by differences between Democrats and Republicans or liberals and conservatives, who are really the same animal with different stripes, is over.
From now on the debate will be increasingly be a fight between Democrats and Republicans on one side and socialists, trade unionists and radicals from the GLBT communities and others under the gun.
Our first goal is to build a nationwide, politically independent movement geared towards repeated mass action to get 50 state equality. It has to be publically disconnected from the Democrats and their junior partners in crime, the Republicans and it hast to have a democratic internal life.
Our second goal is to embed ourselves in union building and the AFL-CIO controlled Labor Party. We have to join in the fights for socialized medicine, a 99.99% tax on the wealth and income of the uberrich (who’ll still be rich) and against foreclosures on homes and family farms. We have to make non-stop efforts to build alliances among other minority groups.