I’m fresh off of SiriusOutQ’s coverage of the HRC Dinner, and I have to tell you, the low expectations I had regarding LGBT policy were unfortunately met on that account. If you’re an activist or citizen looking for timelines, actions, use of the bully pulpit, ANYTHING that would indicate to the community that our President was serious about moving on the laundry list of LGBT issues any time soon, you would call it a fail.
However, I have to agree with Sean Bugg, my fellow commentator on the coverage tonight, who made a great point that if you aren’t a wonk or activist clued in to the messy politics going on behind the scenes, this speech is a huge home run of support from the President of the United States to a kid out in the sticks who watches it can now feel he is part of the American fabric. In our cynical view of the political system, jaded by the hypocrisy and spinning we see each day, as well as outright lying by pols and advocates, you have to remember how this speech can resonate with non-political LGBTs and straight America. The President actually engaged with a segment of our community in his first term to affirm support for the LGBT community. I doubt you’ll see him endure sane, rational criticism from the right on this other than the usual whines from the fringes who already think he’s Satan/Hitler/Muslim terrorist, etc. That’s progress on its own and it should not be minimized.
So that’s my praise. As far as criticism, I don’t even know where to begin. But I’ll first share the news that HRC is happy with the speech.
“Tonight, President Obama told LGBT Americans that his commitment to ending discrimination in the military, in the workplace and for loving couples and their families is ‘unwavering.’ He made it crystal clear that he is our strongest ally in this fight, that he understands and, in fact, encourages our activism and our voice even when we’re impatient with the pace of change. But these remarks weren’t just for us, they were directed to all Americans who share his dream and ours of a country where “no one is denied their basic rights, in which all of us are free to live and love as we see fit.”“And we heard unequivocally about the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell: ‘I am working with the Pentagon, its leadership and members of the House and Senate to end this policy. I will end Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. That is my commitment to you.’
“Finally, we heard something quite remarkable from the President: ’You will see a time in which we as a nation finally recognize relationships between two men or two women as just as real and admirable as relationships between a man and a woman.’
“This was a historic night when we felt the full embrace and commitment of the President of the United States. It’s simply unprecedented.”
OK. What he said about DADT is no different than the message we’ve heard every time the admin is asked about this. Robert Gibbs winds the key in his back and belches that out regularly during press briefings. No news. DADT repeal is the big “gimme” that he could most easily accomplish — all the polling support is there, there’s bipartisan support on the Hill, and the face of the opposition is Elaine Donnelly, for god’s sake? Many service members are already serving openly with their COs looking the other way. How many homophobic retired generals need to go to the hereafter before Nancy, Harry and Barry open the locked chest to find their dusty spines? I wasn’t surprised that the response of Aubrey Sarvis, executive director, Servicemembers Legal Defense Network was diplomaticly muted.
“We were heartened to hear the President say, ‘I will end don’t ask, don’t tell.’ But an opportunity was missed tonight. SLDN was disappointed the President did not lay out a timeline and specifics for repeal.The 65,000 gay and lesbian service members–who put their lives on the line and who remain impatient with the pace of progress–deserve to know when their commander in chief and Congress plan on getting rid of this law.”
The President mentioned our relationships, but gave no timeline other than “You will see a time.” Well crap, I can say that and be as precise as the President. Honestly marriage equality won’t happen any time soon and isn’t a priority – what about ENDA, which would free LGBTs from the shackles of silence of fear of losing employment. Does the President say he will use the bully pulpit to pressure Congress to act with deliberate speed. Nope.
This was a well-crafted, oddly familiar address if you’re a political junkie, because it felt like a stump speech, a post-election speech and a WH LGBT photo op address patched together. I understand his support for equality; what I didn’t hear is that civil rights of human beings are any more important than any other political issue he faces. That correcting a grievous wrong affecting the lives of American taxpayers he wants support from on other issues is ok to shuffle down in the pile of issues. Honestly, it’s good to know where you stand — statements of support without any timelines at this stage in the game is frustrating and very informative. But it doesn’t mean we won’t continue to press for them, no matter what Barney says.
And, did you notice the “T” invisibility in this address? No shock there either; I think this may be another education issue. I have to say the money quote from the speech that made me laugh out loud was the President running down a string of accomplishments and one he referred to was how he invited the homos to the Easter Egg Roll. Yep I can take that to the bank here in NC and do something with that bit of equality. BTW, the Bushes had gay families participate in those festivities as well, the first time they just didn’t want them photographed with Laura. The second time seemed to be pretty irrelevant. Oy. Funny and sad, but it’s progress, right.
Ironically, I give President Obama points for having the cojones to state that we are impatient — and should be. He’s man enough to say to continue the pressure, whereas the messages delivered by Joe Solmonese and Barney Frank in the past few days have been protective of the President and scolding of the grassroots and the LGBT Netroots. It’s quite a stark disconnect that says more about our professional advocates than it does about the President.
An aside — I think the major schism between our orgs and the grassroots and Netroots has reached a perfect storm with this weekend. The juxtaposition of this dinner, where we see a different view of progress, as ovation after ovation for the President suggested full support of the Patience Agenda, versus the people attending the march. Many of those marching on Sunday don’t have the access to power or fat wallets to be considered for courtship by the Obama’s 2012 team and the Dem party. The divide is even more stark when you consider the traditional political infrastructure and the blogosphere, which Twitters, Facebooks and blogs the inconsistencies, spinning and attempts to close ranks around, for example, HRC and the White House. The fallout over the last few days is more evidence that the rules have changed, the game has changed, and the flailing shows the man behind the rainbow curtain. As I said, it’s a perfect storm that no one could have predicted on any side of the matter. What does it mean? I don’t know, but we cannot ignore the fact that these shifts in power, communication and messaging is muddier than ever. That’s not advocating anything one way or another, just an acknowledgment that smart minds need to reassess how we as a movement really put our best foot forward and think less about preserving power, position and influence into silos.
There are two realities, the Beltway reality, a myopic view that is so disconnected from the lives of everyday LGBTs (particularly Ts) that has us setting such low expectations. The reality outside the Beltway doesn’t exist, the focus is on cultivating the relationships with power brokers with the secondary focus on obtaining “what’s possible” politically, which of course is pretty subjective and dependent on whether there is professional peril in rocking any boats.
The reality outside the Beltway is often too impatient about the logistics of moving legislation in many respects, but the impatience is borne of the peril of losing a job, losing custody of children, or myriad other problems that will not be solved in their Red state any time soon. To see such inaction and promises and action delayed or deferred is disheartening — and very personal. For activists in this sphere, a speech like this is a reality check of its own — beautiful, empty prose telling us we are on our own for who knows how long.




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Thanks Pam_Obama has failed oppressed persons_GLBTQYou know, for a half black guy, who has had all of the upside and very little of the down side of being a person of colour, his views on all GLBTQ civil rights issues is nearly criminal. He is a coward, a follower and anything but a leader on civil rights of humans in his country.
HRC, nothing more to say other than I will now put as much effort into bringing this organization down as I did building it up. They have betrayed us and so has Obama.
I am more disgusted about the Dems and the HRC than ever. It is now time for war. Who does not support me is now my enemy. They can all go to hell.
Wow Pam.No wonder I adore you.
Well, no, make that fucking excellently said!!
I worship the quicksand Pam walks on.
Amen, Pam!One would hope that JSol was well pleased with the march of the penguins into the dinner to hear empty promises and platitudes from POTUS. One more reason that HRC will not see a peny of my money.
Thank you for posting this.I was outside picketing. My signs and those around me called for real action and for Obama to keep his promises. Just before his motorcade came by, the Secret Service had the MPD force us back from where we had our premit. It seems that our fierce advocate can’t stand the heat.
P. S.I did two on camera interviews. Pam, I don’t know how you do it. I felt like I was going to hurl.
To be fair….He did say the B and T words… once only? But for all the rhetoric (and he is a great speaker), and the warm fuzzies (I felt so loved and cared for), the reality is way less wonderful… It feels like walking through warm treacle to get any concrete movement… In the end, poltics is about results – and there are precious few here!
I think I heard the“LGBT” acronym a couple of times, & I know I heard the words “gender identity”
don’t have the transcript yet Funny, we always receive the text of his addresses “as prepared for delivery” – nothing this time.
What”s the solution Pam?Gosh, I thought electing President Obama as President was a milestone for peace and democracy. Are you saying he is bad ?
Next!Obama’s a fierce advocate for LGBT rights as long as he doesn’t, you know, have to actually do anything.
I would love to see a transcript toothe only reason I remember the lgbt acronym being mentioned is that he lost his speech flow when trying to spit out the acronym one time which made it kind of stand out. Although I can’t recall off hand if he said every spelled out what the acronym stood for or not.
Just more words …Obama made it very clear that he fully supported gay marriage and would defend it against any and all attacks. He promised that not 5 … not 10 … but 13 goddamn years ago! Ours is the only minority community that settles again and again for empty words. What exactly has Obama done to date that McCain wouldn’t have done (or not done)? We need to rage with protests and confront Obama and his cronies on why they have lied to us time and time again. How in the f*%k did he incrementally change from full support to now trivializing our relationships as “not having God in the mix”? Obama says he opposes us because of his Christian faith. What other minority community would accept such a deeply hurtful insult?
Wait for itYou know Focus On The Family and their ilk will claim Prez. Obama gave us everything we wanted.
And more.
Dena
If Obama did…If Obama did half the stuff the right complains about, I might like him.
not at all, CharlesHe’s a mixed bag, like any other politician. He has said to keep the pressure on him and hold him accountable. So some of us do. It’s not mutually exclusive that he’s a a milestone for peace and democracy and that he’s also a politician that weighs all issues, including civil rights, equally.
Since ALL of Obama’s speeches, no matter the issue,boil down to lots of feel-good, uplifting platitudes but never anything concrete, I can’t fathom why anyone would have expected this one to be any different.
I’ve thought for years that a great deal of good would come from the nation’s first black president (not that I seriously expected to see that in my lifetime, mind you). But–call me naive–it never really occurred to me that he would be just one more double-dealing politician, cut from the same cloth as the rest of them.
So much for hope. So much for expectations. So much for America.
I’m glad for the March on Washingtonif for no other reason than for the juxtaposition. I mean I’ve liked the idea of the march since I first heard about & thought it through although I understood where those who thought it was a bad idea were coming from, but I think because it stands side by side with this presidential speech to juxtapose action & words, that it has all the more meaning.
How long until the DADT congressional hearings start? I feel like I heard they were starting in Oct. Is that right? The president said something like “I will end Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, that is my commitment to you” and I wonder if that will have any effect on the hearings. I’m guessing Choi’s & other lgbt veterans efforts this weekend will have more of an effect. But I’m of the opinion that single types of actions aren’t enough, you have to combine all the efforts of a movement, to get a whole greater than its parts.
As my college roomate once complained…“My reputation is having more fun than I am.”
Based on Pam’s analysis of the speech (I haven’t watched it all yet), that won’t be a lament for Obama.
Strangely enough, I’m not disappointedBecause I have stopped expecting anything of this lame duck.
I guess I just had hope…I really didn’t want to give it all up. But hey, reality bites. Obama isn’t our “fierce advocate”. We really are our own best friends, and we need to get Congress moving on these issues just to show Obama that we won’t let him off the hook.
That puzzled me tooWhy were so many people expecting anything real from the speech? It once again shows a level of delusional thinking to believe anything other than what happened would happen.
We are on our own…How so very true, Pam. If Obama doesn’t want to help whip up votes in Congress, then I guess it’s up to us to build a groundswell amongst progressives to force Pelosi and Reid to force Obama to act. I’m SO sick and tired of waiting. I want to see action, dammit! Either President Obama can help us and earn our respect or sit idly by and have us make him act.
The HRC has never really understood their real jobTheir real job is to put themselves out of a job.
Instead, they’re after political contacts. Yes, it is nice that Obama will speak openly to them. However, words are not equality. Equality is equality.
Hate Crimes, inclusive ENDA, DADT, DOMA, Immigration/AidsThe video is pretty long & broken up into several pieces. But this piece is the one that discusses several issues I just mentioned.
well…He’s a good President. So was Clinton. Just not for us.
I seem to be the contrarian these daysA great speech is not a substitute for action. We know that we have a friend in the White House. We must keep the pressure on our friend to deliver.
Having said that, the guy does have a few other matters to deal with in addition to our issues. I am not suggesting, for a second, that we should not be impatient and persistent. OTOH, I have seen some comments here that seem unreasonable to the extreme.
The man inherited what is perhaps the worst mess in US history. On top of that, his political opponents are more interested in seeing him fail than working for the country to succeed.
As for HRC, it is comprised of people. Some of those people are very selfless and dedicated.
I have no time for HRC since Ned Lamont, but I have to say, Barack Obama didn’t have to be there tonight. I don’t know the machinations of how a sitting President appears at an event, but I’m pretty sure he volunteered to be there. Correct me if I’m wrong, but has there ever been a sitting president who decided to go in front of a GLBT audience to say,
And, to voluntarily stand in front of an audience who may not be entirely happy with the pace of progress, just for the hell of it? And, I doubt that he “weighs all issues, including civil rights, equally”. Certainly, I hope he weighs our ongoing wars, or the economy more heavily than civil rights. Yes, yes, they’re civil rights, but how much do civil rights matter to an empty stomach?
The guy came out and spoke when he didn’t need to, to let us know that he was on our side. Just that counts for something.
YupWasn’t it just last week that the House was dealing with the pressing matter of declaring the Kansas City animal protection district, or something like that?
Why take care of people when Congress can handle such pressing matters?
I posted this commentI posted this awhile back in the wrong place on Pams blog
“I’m taken aback on the negative comments in the chat room concerning the Presidents speech. Considering what this president was handed by the previous administration it is a miracle that anything is getting done. I live in NH where great strides have been made. Remember this was one of the most conservative states in the country 10 years ago. I foresee a huge problem if gays start to become disappointed with the rate of change and start throwing rocks at the people who are doing their damndest to bring about this change. A lousy 5% voter swing in this state could throw the Democrats out of power and bring back the likes of Sununu the Senior. Glenn Beck and Limbaugh and crew are salivating over the thought of being able to report a negative response to Obama’s speech tonite. They will turn it into a negative report that feed right into their anti Obama rhetoric. In three years you may very easily be looking at a Republican Congress and a President Romney (LDS church) in the White House. The reason I mention the LDS church is because of the time and money they spent fighting gay marriage in California and now are doing in Maine. What I’m saying is think before you bite. I know you’ve go a lot of pent up emotion but damn it, don’t do something you’ll regret later.”
First of all let me say that I’m not gay but have been a supporter of gay rights and a reader of the blend for along time. I wrote the above comment before I read all of the comments above. Its hard for someone like me to put myself in the place of a gay person who has experianced first hand the crap that comes from the assholes of this world. we like to think we know but we really don’t. I don’t have a child in school who’s told his parents are perverts and living in sin and I don’t have to explain it to him when he comes home. Bottom line is I don’t know the answer and its shaken me up tonite. I hope you all have understood what I’m trying to say because I’m not all that great at getting my feelings across to other people.
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That actually makes my pointThe President is in crisis. Congress continues to be a collection of misfits – including Democrats. As a New Yorker, I am fortunate to have a very enlightened delegation. That is the exception.
Ultimately, we need to ensure that Obama is a two-term President. The alternative is too frightening to even contemplate.
please correct the use of the term delusional.it’s psychologically inaccurate.
Was out tonight and am hesitating playing the clipsbecause to those of us who have been tuned in it’s the same old song, as Pam states. So why should I bother? Was there any mention of Maine or Washington State even in the abstract? These two current battlegrounds need a boost from a still very personally popular president. But I guess it may be too risky politcally in the admin’s POV
I don’t think asking for specifics is radical or “impatient” it’s activism which involves pushing and pushing and pushing some more. If the economy double dips we could lose the House in the next election and we can’t be sure of an Obama second term. There is no time to sit back and just hope for the best.
My feelings as well… and I am gay.
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ExactlyYou said: “A lousy 5% voter swing in this state could throw the Democrats out of power and bring back the likes of Sununu the Senior”.
This is why this administration is so unbelievabley cowardly. He has now lost my vote in 2012 due to his abject refulsal to advance any GLBTQ cause except to deliver more empty campaign promises. UNLESS he delivers, my mind is made up. If you don’t support me, I will not support you. Why is that so difficutl to understand?
Can Obama afford to waffle for another two years and lose more of us, say 6%. It is up to him, not me. HRC has it totally wrong. I am not waiting until 2017.
Thanks for the links. I intend to use all of them.
I’m not straightBut for a long time, I’ve been a supporter of the idea that you have the same rights as me.
It’s really nice when the President will say pretty words. The previous President wouldn’t and the alternative would have left us in the cold, also.
However, I have signed on to the Dallas Principles, and I won’t go back on that pledge. In the long run, does it matter if it’s a bunch of Democrats who give us no rights and allow persecution on a local level or if it’s a bunch of Republicans?
It is very simple.We don’t need him to necessarily put us first. But when he speaks of LGBT folks and our needs…he needs to lead. Not equivocate. Not give us platitudes.
Why has he not challenged the American people…not the congress, not the Pentagon…not even the religious reich, er, right, but the center of the American heart? Challenge the American people to really examine their senses of fair play, family, reasonability?
Challenge us to look to our own audacity of hope. It may be that he cannot force others to change their minds…but he can give them ideas to ponder, ones that will release the better angels of our natures, to quote one of his heroes, Pres. Lincoln.
It is time for him to learn from us, to know what our lives are about, and then to share that commonality in actions that tell the American people we are their sisters and brothers, full citizens, with full rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
As I posted in my own Facebook “It is time to just have them and exercise them. I am not waiting anymore to be equal…I will live equal, regardless of his or anyone else’s “feelings” on the matter.”
It is not his or anyone else’s prerogative to grant me my equality. I have it. It is mine. It is his job to execute the law so as to protect me and others from those who would disregard it.
Multi-taskingThis president said on the campaign trail that he is able to multi-task. If that is truly the case, it seems to me that there is no need for us to wait for him to act.
Right as always PamI so agree with you Pam that the speech will play very well with people who aren’t plugged in to how things work in DC.
What the speech reinforces for me is that Obama is neither the problem nor the solution. He is not going to spend political capital on us, but he’s not the person blocking change. The problem is Congress and we need to turn all of our guns on them. He will sign whatever is given to him. It’s time to go after all the haters in Congress big time and our current “leaders” don’t seem very inclined to do it. I’m for replacing Nancy Pelosi with Alan Grayson from Florida. And while we’re at it, maybe we could send Barney Frank back to the closet—he acts like he’s still there anyway.
I do think that the Obama should get a little credit for mentioning transgendered folkss at least a couple of times, even though he offered nothing special to them. Could anyone imagine George Bush (or most any Republican for that matter) actually using the words sexual orientation and gender identity in a complete sentence?
There are two things that I think have not been commented on here: 1) the President very carefully said several times he wanted to see gay and lesbian couples have the same rights as every married couple, except that he specifically did not say they should be able to get married—still sticking with that difference obviously and 2) He mentioned getting rid of the HIV travel ban—it’s been about 16 months since the ban was “lifted” and it’s all supposedly about regulatory changes now; it’s been 9 months into this administration. Even if we give Obama the benefit of the doubt when he waits for Congress on DADT and DOMA, the regulation stuff is in the Executive. He is obviously lighting no fire under those butts.
Oh, and one more thing—-while I’m not defending HRC for a lot of reasons, I think the bashing is overdone. When I was coming down to DC for the March I looked around for anyone who was doing any organized lobbying of Congress around our issues. The ONLY group doing anything was HRC. They ran an incredibly organized and very effective lobbying day. It’s unfortunate that too many people working on the March forgot that it’s not just about turning out in the streets, but it’s about reaching those people the buildings all around here (who, of course, are on vacation this weekend).
Nope.None. He did brag about letting teh gay families roll easter eggs. Something his predecessor did as well.
Since 1994HRC has actively undermined the movement for equality for teh gender-variant community. 1994. It was in 1996 that HRC president Elizabeth Birch told my wife that if transpeople wanted their issues addressed, perhaps NOW was a better organization. So I don’t think the “bashing” is overdone at all. They’ve more than earned it.
What a dismissive thing to say Obama had all the upsideWere you there going day by day thru his life?
HRC and Transgender issuesAbsolutely agree with you on HRC and the TG movement. Watched the whole ENDA thing with horror 2 years ago when they sold out transgender equality.
Once in a while they do some good things though, was my only point. I could see why some would never forgive them for what they did back then, though. It’s taken me a long, long time to even start to think of getting over what they did to New York by supporting Al D’Amato and that was nowhere near as personal….
Well said Karen
Keep in mind that the thing 2 years ago was only the most recent example.A few years before that, they betrayed transfolk over the same thing. And it’s been going on ever since its founder argued against trans inclusiveness when he was trying to get stuff done in the 1970′s.
IT is a consistent and ongoing pattern of being lied to, betrayed, and generally crapped on or use as leveraged pawns.
If you knew someone who was good to you and other of your closest family or friends, ignored another one, but consistently betrayed, humiliated, and generally acted like crap over a period of 30 years to one other, how would you feel about them?
I believe a gentle reminder is in order….I must say that I am somewhat disheartened by a few negative comments that have been made (especially those claiming to be Obama supporters) since hearing about the honor bestowed upon our great President!
First allow me to start by saying, that the most important fact to acknowledge regarding Obama, is that from the very start of his campaign he has been inclusive. He has rallied for us from the beginning and has kept our names on his lips not just in America, but in front of the world from day one. In many speeches he has regarded us as equals, not only in his eyes, but promised that he wouldn’t stop until all American’s recognized the relevance and the important contributions the GLBT community has made to society. Even on the night of his acceptance speech, the soon to be president held us right there on the podium with him mentioning the GLBT community! This was unprecedented.
Second and equally important was the diplomacy he used when uniting us together. Even in the face of adversity (ex…Donnie McClurkin in his tent while on the campaign trail) showed us all what respect looks like, from both sides of beliefs and opinions. I love my GLBT brothers and sisters of every ethnicity and my spouse and I have been fighting for equality for quite a few years now. But it takes steps to make changes happen. I don’t believe we often time allow these changes to take place on a realistic time table. Never before has a president kept the GLBT community on the forefront as much as Obama has.
I think back over the previous administration and can’t ever recall the leader at that time even saying the word Gay or Lesbian. Do you think for one moment that he would be speaking at an HRC dinner on the eve of what is expected to be an extremely important event? Everyone knows that the general media isn’t going to give us the time of day covering the march on Washington, but I do believe the president’s acknowledgment of us was a crafty move. News media that wouldn’t have even believe our “little dinner” would be worth mentioning have taken notice and this is going to bring the importance of our event to the forefront of both the nation and the world. I promise you, this would never have happened and didn’t happen in the previous administration! The previous leader did his best to keep our country and its people divided (ex…Federal Marriage Amendment). He practically severed relationships with the rest of the world by allowing them to view his own countrymen being killed on a daily basis with a war (which he solely initiated for his own purposes) that should have never been instigated.
When Obama took his oath of office, I believe that he immediately started prioritizing his to-do list. I’m sure I’m not alone in stating that I don’t feel that he has forgotten about the GLBT community, I believe he is taking the necessary actions to stop the bleeding of our country. He has been very busy flying around the globe to initiate peace and to restore our country to a new greatness! In his efforts in doing so, he has been honored by his peers by giving him one of the highest honors in the world, the Nobel Peace Prize. There are going to be Obama haters for the next 4-8 years who will never give him his due.
Do I think it’s too early for him to have been bestowed with such a prestigious award? No I don’t! It is an acknowledgement for the few steps already taken and the encouragement for the many more that is needed to not relent on his many promises to us or to the world around us. They have recognized an effort that has been made to actually restore peace to our land and the world, which has not been seen in more than 8 years.
When Obama won the Presidency, for once in my life, as a GLBT American I was proud. My spouse and I both became quite emotional at the prospect that someone with vast power was going to be an advocate of the GLBT community.
When I watched his first address to the UN I listened to him carefully, but more importantly I watched the faces of the many nations being represented from around the world and I saw the general mood of the men and woman who sat in attendance. The expressions of hope were defined on the many faces that seemed to listen with intent to our president, who delivered his many ideas of how we can restore positive relationships with one another.
As many Americans are out of work and many members of our families are placing their lives on the line on a daily basis, I feel the president has got his priorities in order. I am definitely not saying that we shouldn’t keep our issues in front of him continually, but we should remember what is most important for our country, not just for our community.
Yes, we have been dismissed, humiliated and a new hate restored with the right wingers over the past 8 years, but I believe in ourselves as well as our country. The right wingers are losing power and you can see this if you consider the following: Only 1 state (Massachusetts) gained the right of equal marriage and even that was under an administration that instilled a negative and hate filled atmosphere. Since then, the mood in America has changed quite a bit and the tides have turned. We now have gained equal marriage rights in Connecticut, Iowa, Vermont, Maine (still pending), and New Hampshire (starting Jan 1, 2010). The reason the right-wingers are so vengeful and filled with rage is because not only did they lose their precious dubuya, but his replacement as well.
My last point is this. A few weeks after the president had delivered his first address to the UN, they all went home, but with a new perspective. This was not only expressed in the honor that was given to him, but the many expressions of praise throughout the world. I think it’s amazing to see a president honored by outside forces who had previously wanted little to do with our country as a whole just less than a year ago.
Yes, the president and its administration is in its infancy, but I’m willing not sit back and expect him to come in and be a superhero and wave a magic wand and give everybody what they want. I’m extremely proud of our community. So I say, let’s make more of an effort to allow him to spread his wings, use his wisdom and the determination of his administration to work expeditiously on his list to get things done!
Nice first post!May you maintain your positive outlook.
The only place I would quibble with you is that I feel the Nobel is a total joke. But that reflects badly on those who chose him, not on the recipient.
I think you make some good pointsPresident Obama does talk about our community, and doing so comes with a political cost. This cost is why previous presidents have kept their distance.
Impatience regarding our wishlist for change is understandable. But change needs to come at the right time, and honestly, Obama has his hands full juggling everything right now. I don’t think the president has forgotten us. But given the extreme (often crazy) opposition he is facing, I understand his desire to not take on more difficulties at this time.
I think we can President Obama to act on our behalf before 2012. Yes, I would have been pleasantly surprised if he had done so already. But he has the style of building consensus and coalitions, and that makes him not eager to take dramatic action. He wanted to establish a track record first. Give him some time. We’ve got him for at least another three years, and (fingers crossed) hopefully four years beyond that.
“Wave a magic wand”?Why do those of us who are profoundly disappointed in the President’s apparent unwillingnes to follow through on his promises and actually do something as opposed to just forcefully and elegantly express his opinion are condescended to and treated like cranky children who don’t understand the way the world works?
I take my cue from our ally in common sense Jon Stewart who pokes holes in this nonsense:
http://www.advocate.com/News/D…
When I wrote to the White House expressing my disappointment and urging leadership I got a Dear Friend letter that told me what the President “supports,” “believes,” and “opposes.” It said absolutely nothing about what he would actually do, and it even advised me to read up on his stances at the White House web site! Been there, babe, done that, not impressed.
But I’m not just down on the administration (and the Democrats) for failures on GLBT issues. I’m deeply disappointed in the ways in which it’s entrenching the national security state made worse by the Bush regime, and its inability to see the insanity of our war in Afghanistan, exposed brilliantly once again by Frank Rich:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10…
How far back did they move you?What was the excuse?
Or didn’t they bother to offer one?
Absolutely, MattI read column after column urging and hoping and predicting and I was convinced we’d get more of the same: I support you.
End of story.
I’m sick of being taken for granted by the Democrats in general and have enjoyed lambasting the party when I get calls to donate to this or that campaign fund.
He’s got a lot on his plate?Every President does. He could have moved to stop the military from getting rid of GLBT members. Legal analysts of all kinds said it was in his power to do.
He’s the President, as Jon Stewart rightly mocked: he can get a bigger plate.
Beautifully put, Karen!He could give a speech on gay rights the way he did one one race. He has the rhetorical power to lead, not just tread water.
I’m so over having to be grateful that someone tells me, “Yes your issues are important and I support you.” I’m not saying I want a feast, but I’d like more than crumbs.
To quote Janet Jackson, “What have you done for me lately?”
Thank you for picketing.Seriously. If I wasn’t halfway across the continent, I’d have been there with you.
Thanks again.
NiceSo nobody has to earn your vote, huh?
Wonderful.
I posted this rebuttalElections are usually decided on less than 5%, and the Democrats are determined to piss off the LGBT voters. This equation is making people like you shit their pants.
Good.
Herb, don’t just imagine yourself as the parent of a child who’s being told at school that you’re a pervert. How about a little more reality?
Try to imagine yourself as the nonbiological gay parent of a daughter. With very few exceptions, you are legal strangers. If you break up with your partner, he can deny you visitation and that’s that — you don’t even have standing to sue. Hospitals can keep you out of your daughter’s hospital room if she’s injured. You can’t put her on your insurance. If you die, she won’t be entitled to an automatic share of your estate or get your Social Security benefit. You have no more legal rights to your own daughter than than any random dipshit down at the bus station. Neat huh? That’s American “family values” there.
The Fourteenth Amendment guarantees equal protection, due process, and full privileges & immunities generally to all citizens and persons. It doesn’t specifically exclude gays, but it might as well.
Remember the protests against the apartheid government of South Africa? Consider this: today gay South Africans have full civil rights — marriage, adoption, financial equality, the works. I, however, have fewer rights as a US citizen today than on the day I was born.
You feel shaken up tonight? Try a lifetime spent as a second-class citizen, being treated like a piñata by grandstanding politicians and preachers, and having to defend your relationship to every toenail-chewing idiot in your state. That doesn’t lead to “pent up emotion,” Herb. It leads to RAGE.
You may see a yawning chasm of distinction between the Democrats and Republicans. As far as gay Americans are concerned there isn’t any substantial difference. One party is a little nicer about fucking us over. (See video, above.)
If the Democrats blow it in the next election, I won’t regret it at all. They earned their failure. If they choose not to be responsive to their constituents, they deserve to lose. I’m not going to help them if they won’t help me. That’s how politics works. Maybe it’ll take them getting nadered a couple more times to learn their lesson.
“Beltway” mentalityHear, hear Pam, but I do have one minor quibble. I happen to physically live inside the Beltway, but am as much a part of the “outside the Beltway” world as the rest of you. The vast majority of us DCers are normal folks living their normal lives, with only a passing glimpse of the power players of official DC (i.e., being passed by the occasional motorcade). The difference is that we lack even the ability to make legislative change, as we lack representation in Congress.
They tried to move us two blocks.They tried to move us two blocks away to the other side of the convention center. That way we would have been out of site from the motorcade.
We moved about 30 feet (1/4 down the block) and then sat down. We had filled out all the propper paperwork for a permit, so we used that motivate us and them.
As to why…One police officer pulled one of our organizers aside and appologized. He said that they were being pressured to do it by Obama’s Secret Service detail.
In other wordsBarack’s sound and fury. Not signifying a damn thing.
Good morning from Maine, everyone!
Obama = BushThis is one more depressing example of how things are not changing enough from the Bush administration to the Obama one.
The fundamental right to protest is part of our cultural DNA, and protest so that we can be heard, not shunted off somewhere.
How is the pressure to move you to the other side of the convention center different from those ignominious “free speech zones” that insulated Bush from even the sight of protesters?
Assuming McCain had livedhe would have knuckled to the Right on everything, as he did in the campaign. If he had not survived the strain, and we had President Caribou Barbie, then in a sweep of both houses in 2010 she would have begun enacting, at the behest of the Roman Catholic and Mormon churches, a series of LGBT Nuremberg laws, so do not discount the President.
I begin to think that I have been too impatient with him. Yes, we lived through eight years during which we were the most popular target of the Right, and we want protections, NOW. But Congress DOES neeed to move on these things. If he stop-losses DADT, a President Palin in 2012 or 2016 could gut the service of no longer closeted G/L personnel by ending the order, and would(will?) do so. If there is no congressional support, or in a larger sense, public support, then a reversal of DOMA and ENDA would be passed back by a republcan majority congress and gleefully and publically signed by a Republcan president.
Then there is the political reality that no one likes to deal with: rebellion.
Does anyone recall just how many red states legislatures and governors have said that they will defy federal laws from this administration tha “go too far?” I do not recall the number, but it was quite a few. The President refused to make it an issue at the time and ignored them. But the threat is there.
Scenario:
ENDA passes, and Oklahoma and Texas declare that not only will they not enforce it, nor permit its enforcement, ignoring federal courts, but that they will support anyone who defies it. What happens then?
That is the elephant in the room, the thing unspoken. Attorney Generals Robert Francis Kennedy and Nicholas Celebreeze enforced civil rights upon states like these at bayonet point using the National Guard. COuld President Obama even count upon the National Guard, home of political views far to the right of the Regular Army? And you cannot use the Army to enforce it, that is illegal.
And speaking of the Beltway–Why hasn’t Obama pushed Congress to enfranchise D.C. residents? Why hasn’t he pointed out to the nation as a whole the absurdity and inequity of over nearly 600,000 Americans not having true representation in Congress? He wouldn’t have to do a speech about it, he could bring it up in one of his countless interviews.
Oh, I forgot, he has “a lot on his plate.”
Since we’re quoting ShakespeareLately I’ve been thinking of the GOP in terms Hamlet uses:
posted this in the wrong place–sorryObama = Bush
This is one more depressing example of how things are not changing enough from the Bush administration to the Obama one.
The fundamental right to protest is part of our cultural DNA, and protest so that we can be heard, not shunted off somewhere.
How is the pressure to move you to the other side of the convention center different from those ignominious “free speech zones” that insulated Bush from even the sight of protesters?
HRC and those of their ilkdon’t know how to build a grassroots movement. That would be OK if they were good at what they did and let the grassroots folks do their stuff but all this access for over 20 years and…nothing but empty promises and to wait.
Malcolm X’s analogy of the wolves and the foxes is far more applicable now for us then it ever was in 1963.
“Free Speech Zones”!!! WHEEEEE!!!It’s like deja vu all over again!
Thank you for picketing. Thank you. I wish I could be there with all of you.
Thanks Pam for telling it like it is! You usually do!This President’s promises are not going to allow my partner and I of 15 years to move back home to the US. An expired work visa caused us to move to France 3 years ago. Our life is on hold permanently. Try finding a job in a country where you do not speak the language! We live on one low wage salary here barely surviving.
As usual he repeated the boiler plate laundry list without adding something as simple as the Uniting American Families Act or anything to help bi-national couples. I was particularly annoyed by his low key mention of DOMA repeal, it was not convincing.
Some of the rights we do not have have real life consequences for many of us effecting us financially, professionally, and even our health. How long can this continue? We have waited too long already.
Thank you Trumpetfor joining the picket with my friends from Chicago.
Results, not actions. Results, not promises. Only RESULTS matter.
Results, not actions. Results, not promises. Only RESULTS matter.
I think you make a good pointabout the GLBT kid in the sticks (or even on Chicago’s West Side) thinking that this is BIG.
However what this speech does not do (and maybe it’s not supposed to do that) is tell his or her story. America already KNOWS us (even if they don’t want to admit it).
The time for introductions is over. That’s why I would have preferred that the President gave this speech at a gay community center; I would have given him credit for that.
“the guy does have a few other matters to deal with”Really? I mean, yes, there’s a lot going on, and a lot he does have to deal with. But he is not Gary Cooper in HIGH NOON. He’s not alone in his administration.
Do you really, seriously believe that there is not one undersecretary or assistant secretary or special assistant anywhere in Washington who Obama could assign to work on our issues and get something done about them? You really think that every single person in this administration is so busy, working full-time, on grain subsidies for Kansas and so on, that not even one of them could focus on our issues? Come, now.
But, hey. Maybe if we raise the point, he can TALK about it. He can give us still another rousing TALK about how he’s TALKING to his undersecretaries about it. Maybe he can TALK to NOM and FRC about it. Maybe he can TALK about the need for finding common ground with them before he actually TALKS about doing anything. Maybe he can TALK to his five christian “spiritual advisers” about TALKING to somebody else, and then he can TALK to us about what he TALKED about with them. Next he can TALK to his lapdogs at HRC about how he TALKED about TALKING with them. And then he can…but why go on? Rot.
And one more snippet from the Bard:
From Memory: An Oral HistoryPam, an eloquent first thought on what Obama’s speech may (or may not) mean and the state of LGBTQ organizations today.
My own life has paralleled the growth of the modern movement. The first March on Washington took place the year after I graduated from high school. We were a very hidden, small group of idealistic young people and we planted seeds that have now come to bear fruit. By the time I attended the 1993 March, things had changed quite a bit.
We went from being totally ignored and even ridiculed by the media to being taken a bit more seriously, since nearly a million of us showed up that time.
In my lifetime I have seen us go from deadly serious threats of arrest and imprisonment or forced medical “treatment” (I was sent to a psychologist at age 15 to be cured) to having marriage declared legal in 6 states. A conservative supreme court declared sodomy laws unconstitutional. Businesses actively support and recruit LGBTQ employees and offer benefits to us. Several mainstream churches and synagogues openly ordain and welcome us into their congregations. There are laws to protect us in many places where before the laws were designed to imprison and punish us simply for being. We have come a long way!
When I came of age in the early 70s it was not uncommon at all to face violence on a daily basis and be disowned by one’s family. Life was fraught with danger and uncertainty and religious condemnation from every side.
The little small city gay bar I first went to to meet others like me, the one that played disco tunes and was in an out of the way place for safety, used to get shot at every night. We literally dodged bullets to be together and it was a pretty common occurrence to come out to your car and find a cinderblock through the windshield. The police were more likely to arrest you if you attempted to report a hate crime, so we took care of things ourselves. Many became alcoholics and drug addicts, unable to cope with the pressures of living such a hard life. And then dozens and dozens began to die from AIDS and we were at war with life itself.
Bill Clinton courted our vote, the first presidential candidate to openly do so. He was our “fierce advocate” until the Gays in the Military blew up in his face. Our “allies” did not rush in to provide cover and support and we ended up with DADT, DOMA, and a host of other setbacks. In the meantime we worked steadily towards achieving equality and parity with our fellow Americans.
The fact that Barack Obama is the first sitting president to openly and willingly speak to the HRC dinner outside of an election context is groundbreaking. Will he use his political capital to further our agenda? I don’t know but I believe he will try. Remember that he chose many Clinton administration advisers and I am sure they remember the firestorms brought by the religious right and the Republican conservatives a decade or so ago and they are urging caution and restraint.
As far as Barney Frank goes, he has been out for many years and has done little to nothing for our community. I don’t put any stock in what he says because, like HRC, he is interested in playing by the current rules and working within the status quo. That has never brought us anything worth having. We, in the grassroots, have always been the change we need.
I hope that the March this weekend serves as a catalyst for greater change and better support for all of us. That’s what happened at all the other marches before. I am now unable to attend though I am there in spirit with you all! I willingly pass on the torch to the next generation, confident that you will go forward in love and strength.
Barrack Obama and I are the same age. I will see what his life experiences lead him to do for us as president but I am also cognizant that what he did last night was historic and important. He did not patronize us like Clinton nor did he try to appease us with slick talk. I am glad he is my president.
More from the Bard
Or (as my stepdad would put it), “you talk too much, you make folks hate you.”
From observing major mediaaccounts of this, you’d think that:
a) we’re all happily represented by the HRC,
b) we really loved this event with the POTUS,
c) there’s no march going on today, and
d) we’re a single-minded block who wants someone to save us.
CNN’s coverage of this made it sound like Obama was almost chastising us, putting the onus on us to push harder for the legislation we want.
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Oh, and people can sing hymns on high for the HRC all they want. The org won’t see dime one from me. I’ll continue to contribute to organizations that don’t primarily rely on buttering up pols with black tie galas in hopes that they’ll someday vote for the things I consider important (equal healthcare opportunities, equal pay, freedom to marry, protection from violence, etc.).
“The rest is silence.”Have fun up in Maine. Wish I could be there with you.
You think Obama’s a villain?He’s that bad?
HRC spin Here’s the email the HRC is sending round, and it’s hard to know whether to laugh or cry it’s so self-deceiving and self-aggrandizing. The President loves us! He came to our dinner! He embraced us totally! It’s earth-shattering!
Uh, guess again, Pooky.
What was the expectation?In my lifetime I’ve gone from presidents like Kennedy and LBJ who never, to my knowledge, even thought about the LGBTQ community, to Richard Nixon, an avowed homophobe, to Ronald Reagan, who stood by and fiddled while AIDS decimated our community, refusing to even utter the word in public until near the end of his second term after thousands and thousands had already been infected and died, to Bill Clinton, who would talk to us privately and then sign anti-gay legislation into law, to Barack Obama, who actively sought to meet with one of lobbying groups, whether effective or not, and speak to our community on the eve of march for equality. He was the first US president to celebrate the Stonewall Riot during Pride celebrations in June.
During the last 3 marches every other president and most congressional representatives made it a great point to be out of town while we were there. Many wouldn’t even meet with us the following week when we sought to make appointments with our representatives.
Has Obama ended discrimination? No. Has he actively worked to end discrimination? I don’t honestly know yet — he says he is working on it but his administration’s spokespeople keep toning it down afterwards. He didn’t seem too interested in appointing qualifying LGBTQ to his cabinet while making sure to appoint representatives from every other constituency in the Democratic party. It’s a mixed bag so far.
I’m not sure what the expectation was for last night. Knowing that merely being there will bring out the Republican hissy fit brigade I’m wondering what, if anything, our community has done to build consensus with our allies in the progressive/liberal community to provide political cover? Expecting the president to just come out and decree equality for all or something like that is politically naieve.
We have to work with the congress, including several conservative democrats, and understand the process. That’s what HRC is supposed to be doing. I’m not seeing it and with members like Barney Frank shooting us in the foot we certainly need to see some soul-searching and community building before we can expect to win the whole enchilada of equality against the powerful and wealthy forces of the rightwing and the christianists.
agree somewhatA lot of the things you mentioned I had thought about last night but didn’t put down in print. The one thing I worry about, if the Democrats do lose in 2010 what is it that they come up with as a reason. Will they feel they lost because of their slow support of gay rights or because of their support for gay rights. Here in NH they are going to lose some independent voters because of gay marriage. I don’t think they’re going to gain many this time around until some of the naysayers realize the Right Wing scare tactics are just that. If they lose 5% of the independent vote because of their support of gay marriage and lose 0.5% because of gay dissatisfaction what do you think is going to be their reaction? Do they increase their support of gay rights or back off a bit? You may think there is isn’t any substantial difference between the Dems and the Repubs but its all you’ve got. You may come out of this 4 years with 50% if what you want but get 100% and you may be faced with 4 years of Mit Romney and a Republican Congress. There go your gains and now you’re left with 0%.
I’m not talking in the clinical termI’m talking about the general use of the term in the non-psychological arena.
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Wrong comparison
No.
However…
Or, perhaps The Weekly Standard. (Hillary Rosen has that Bill Kristol-ish arrogant sneer, doesn’t she?)
Even if Obama does nothing from now until Pee Wee Solmonese’s drop-dead date – Jan. 19, 2017 – he’ll still never be as bad a Dubya. One only need look to the Illinois Human RIghts Act for proof.
But as for those who are acting as the apologists for this bluster of nothingness, there is no excuse.
Of course, there was no excuse for the Scampaign at any point in the past – even when many of those who are now excoriating it for ‘giving Obama cover’ were getting all orgasmic in their defense of it for standing firm against us evil, diseased civil rights interlopers who had the nerve to point out that including us in a bill that wasn’t going to pass anyway would harm about as many people as would be harmed by Casper the Friendly Ghost’s farts.
A question I have: Why isn’t today’s ‘march’ going to conclude with a picket of a certain palace on Rhode Island Avenue?
If Hilary Rosen’s disgusting defense of her (let’s face it, her ability to subsist – even thrive – depends on nothing that the non-sophisticate LGBT masses need to survive and, hence, are fighting for) status quo doesn’t drive us to organize a mass protest of the Scampaign’s opulent political lifestyle, then I think we’re all doomed.
Fight the real enemy.
WordsYes he talked all nice and pretty about us on the campaign trail. And then hired the likes of McClurkin.
I don’t hate Obama. I voted for him. I was a state delegate for him. But I want to see ACTION towards delivering what he promised this community. Last nite was more pretty words signifying nothing.
And the full plate argument doesn’t wash with me either. ESPECIALLY when he himself said he was capable of handling more than one thing at a time.
At least we knew what we were getting with BushThe REAL enemy is whomever is in power, calls us our friend and refuses to seriously address our concerns with real action. Not just pretty talk in speeches to US followed by jokes about marriage equality when speaking in front of his next crowd.
End Discrimination? I’d settle for doing somethingDid Truman end discrimination when he signed the executive order desegregating the military? Not at all. But he moved the country forward with more than just words.
Obama could also move the country forward by stopping the discharge of gay servicemen and women. He has the legal power to do so:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…
He wouldn’t even be going against public opinion, because polls continue to show that majorities feel gays should be able to serve openly in the military.
Just offhandI can’t think of a single Bush policy Obama hasn’t continued. The wars, the corporate bailouts with no controls on the industry, international saber-rattling (primarily at Iran, which we’re told has or will have WMDs shortly–sound familiar?)), bribes to churches, domestic surveillance… There are already more
corporate vigilantesprivate contractors in Iran than troops, exactly as was the case with bush in Iraq. He’s smarter than Bush (but who isn’t?), and he has carloads of charisma. But when it comes down to it, we’re getting the same old stuff from him.To the extent that there’s been a change of atmosphere in the country (and I do think there has been), it’s happened despite Obama’s policies, not because of them.
I was at the dinnerI have a long time friend who is very serious about HRC, so I found myself all dressed up and in the room. The speech was what I expected, pretty much. I have learned not to raise my expectations. I did meet a nice guy during the reception who said there was some buzz that a “big announcement” would be forthcoming in the speech. I assumed that would be something of importance, like a time table on DADT or something like that. Obviously, that rumor proved to be untrue.
I was sitting next to a trans woman at my table, and I have to say she was not amused with the very little mention of T, not to mention the crowd seemed to save it’s big applause for comments on DOMA much more so than anything else. Take from that what you will.
Was it an Obama speech, which is to say, it hits some great buttons and you feel pretty good? Sure. I have never seen him in person, and it’s great and all, but it did fall short. Pam’s characterization of “oddly familiar” is exactly what I was thinking.
As we were on lockdown in the room until after Obama’s appearance, the longest line for a men’s bathroom that ever has been seen followed the speech. (Yes, many women were snarking and loving it!) Some dude in front of me was gushing about the speech. I was like hmmm, I didn’t really hear anything new and exciting. I was called a “naysayer” for this. Unbelievable. I was going to call him a “true believer” but he asked me to save his place in line…in the meantime, the opened the bathrooms on the other side of the floor, so I left and did NOT save his place! :)
Frankly, Lady Gaga’s comments and rendition of “Imagine” with lyrics changed to focus on gay rights was more inspirational. I hope someone posts it to YouTube.