(UPDATE: Mike Signorile and I will also talk this news at 2:30 ET.)
The NYT:
Mr. Obama’s appearance on Saturday at the annual dinner for the Human Rights Campaign, a leading gay rights advocacy group, represents a significant show of support for gay rights at a time when many prominent gay and lesbian activists have been questioning the president’s commitment to their issues.Many gay rights activists have become increasingly vocal about their frustration over what they see as tepid support from Mr. Obama. While the president has professed support for overturning the ban on gays in the military and called the law that precludes federal recognition of same-sex marriages discriminatory, he has not engaged on gay rights issues as actively as some had hoped.
The Justice Department is defending the federal marriage law, known as Defense of Marriage Act, much to the dismay of many gay rights advocates. And Mr. Obama has been noncommittal about when he will move to end the “don’t ask don’t tell” policy. In June, he acknowledged their irritations at the slow pace of change at a gathering of about 250 gay rights leaders who had been invited to the White House.
While it remains to be seen what Mr. Obama’s appearance at the dinner will do to his standing in the eyes of gay rights activists, his speech may mollify some of their concerns.
The HRC dinner is expected to have more than 3,000 in attendance, and one thing will be clear — President Obama will be hobnobbing with the A-gays, not the people at the march. As he will be only the second President to attend the dinner (Bill Clinton was the other) I hope that Obama has some actual news to break about acting on his promises at that dinner or he’s going to be in a world of PR hurt. Between Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid writing the White House a letter about moving on DADT and this stunt appearance, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that there is a lot of CYA action going on with the NEM that weekend and Congress actually in session because of the health care battle.
They can’t claim to be out of town while there are thousands of LGBTs out there representing the people this administration continues to make sit and watch the finger-pointing between the White House and the Hill about how they can’t do ANYTHING right now.
Honestly, the President would earn even more credibility if he showed up at the march to speak to those who couldn’t afford a ticket to the HRC dinner — those are people who are more profoundly affected by lack of protections in the various states they will travel from to the march. But that won’t happen for obvious reasons.
Karen Ocamb@LGBT POV, pretty tongue in cheek:
But one has to wonder if Obama’s appearance at a fundraiser for what many perceive as a mostly rich white gay male organization will help or hurt him in the long run, especially since he hasn’t really come through on his campaign promises.…I wonder if someone will jump up and challenge him just as Lane Hudosn challenged former President Bill Clinton on marriage equality at the Netroots Nation convention.
On the other hand – maybe Obama will announce he’s signing a stop-loss order for Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. And since HRC is honoring Judy Shepard, perhaps he’ll announce that he’s personally stepping in to push the hate crimes law attached to the Defense Appropriations bill, now in the conference committee.
Or he’ll clarify his Justice Department’s approach to defending DOMA in the courts.
Or he’ll come out in favor of full marriage equality – a position he publicly held in the 1990s.
Not to mention ENDA. From HRC’s release:
“We are honored to share this night with President Obama, who has called upon our nation to embrace LGBT people as brothers and sisters,” said Human Rights Campaign President Joe Solmonese. ”It is fitting that he will speak to our community on the night that we pay tribute to his friend and mentor Senator Edward Kennedy, who knew that as president, Barack Obama would take on the unfinished business of this nation – equal rights for the LGBT community, and for every person who believes in liberty and justice for all.”
NOTE FROM PAM: For those out there offended by my use of the term A-gays, perhaps you should think of a better shorthand term for me to use. What I am referring to here is the class and access distinction between most of the LGBT community (who cannot afford the $250 and up ticket price to see the President or pay thousands to captain a table at other events). The divide is very real and troubling on several levels. These are often a sea of gay white well-to-do men with a sprinkling of lesbians, plus media and anyone lucky enough to scrape money together or are sponsored by their organizations to attend. It doesn’t mean attendees are just schmoozing or have no sense of activism, it just means there’s an inconvenient truth no one likes to talk about and that makes it uncomfortable when it is raised.
These events are simply out of reach of the vast majority of average LGBTs. It’s the truth. That’s why I also said it’s too bad the President won’t be at the march; that was an opportunity to balance the scales and it’s clear it won’t happen for a host of reasons.
The reason “A-gays” pushes buttons is the obvious class issue. And we can’t continue to sweep that factor under the rug because it affects all of us — the Obama admin thinks that appearing at an HRC dinner is talking to the LGBT community at large (which is also what HRC wants him to think, of course, why wouldn’t the org?) – and it’s what causes the internal strife between the grassroots and the Beltway orgs all the time. Owning up to what’s going on is what’s at the root of “A-Gays” when I use it.
A note about the National Equality March, why I won’t be there, and a missed opportunity below the fold.
NOTE 2 FROM PAM: People keep asking me about whether I’ll be at the march to cover the event, but I had a previous commitment to attend and serve on a panel at the Fire & Ink Conference in Austin, TX.
Fire & Ink is devoted to increasing the understanding, visibility and awareness of the works of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender writers of African descent and heritage.
It’s kind of unfortunate that the march, which surely needs more LGBTs of color in that crowd, conflicts with a gathering of this slice of the community:
In 2009, Fire & Ink III: Cotillion will bring together hundreds of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender writers of African descent whose work spans the genres, including fiction, nonfiction, poetry, screenwriting, playwriting, multimedia arts and performance arts. Join writers, readers, thinkers, scholars, editors, publishers, curators, audio and visual artists, students, teachers, media professionals and art lovers from around the country to:CREATE a body of writers dedicated to reversing negative trends in cultural, literary and artistic marketplaces, while creating more positive, powerful arenas for those expressions.
TEACH, inspire and encourage each other while creating lasting alliances.
DISCUSS the position and importance of Black LGBT literature, culture and artistic expression in the context of national and world literature and artwork.
DEVELOP and implement strategies to encourage universities, libraries, mainstream and independent bookstores and other venues to integrate more LGBT literature and artwork created by writers of African descent within and outside of traditional curricula and offerings.
PLAN, share and implement professional and artistic opportunities.




Fire & Ink is devoted to increasing the understanding, visibility and awareness of the works of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender writers of African descent and heritage.
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It’s somethingBetter than nothing. I think he has realized that he cannot stay silent while people are protesting his lack of action, that would look pretty bad. Still, there better be some real substance to it.
HopeI hope he does something. I am starting to become disappointed in Obama. My feelings run close to those of the SNL show the other night. He is not taking enough forcefull stands on things and nothing is getting done. This is especially disappointing with a Democrat majority in both sides of Congress.
Barack, puhleez!Without substantive action, pandering to a hall of potential donors isn’t going to get you far, particularly if you continue religion-based hair-splitting arguments to embrace heterosexual privilege. Wanna make a real statement? Come worship with LGBT people of faith. Come prepare meals for people living with AIDS. Roll back “no promo homo” and issue a stop-loss order to thwart DADT.
The GATM is still closed…Until the Respect for Marriage Act, Military Readiness Act, and the other 10 pieces of equality legislation are passed (hate crimes, immigration, safe schools, etc).
More tea and canapeswith the A-list gays. Been there, done that, and so unimpressed.
And how much do you want to bet that he’ll feed these A-listers that red meat about “I’ve spoken about gay rights in Black churches…” line. Now if he were talking to the NBJC and if he were more specific about the “scorns” of the black church (or any church) then I’d be impressed.
Greatwhitebear, I think that you have some great suggestions.
GAyTM…
I’d be more impressedif he’s come up to Maine and meet with the No on 1 campaign or host a house party.
Until then…feh.
C’mon, Mr. President!Stop being a community organizer/ manager and be a frigging LEADER already!!!
Since his national security adviser announced this weekthat Obama won’t end DADT till after both of the current wars have ended (and that’s assuming he won’t start any new ones), any hopes that he’ll issue a stop-loss order are vain. What we’ll get is another speech, full of feel-good, uplifting platitudes, and NO ACTION on any of the issues that touch LGBT lives.
Obama clearly thinks making speeches actually counts as doing something. Not only on our issues but on climate change, health care, you name the issue. If his damn speeches were EVER followed by action, the country and the world would be a lot better off.
I’d love to be proved wrong about him. I’d love to see him announce a major policy initiative at the HRC dinner. But based on his total lack of action to date, I’m not holding my breath.
Enough!Enough of the BS Mr. President. Enough of the small talk! We do NOT need any more pumped up “happy ending” speeches, we NEED the “fierce advocate” you said that you are, but have shown that you are neither fierce NOR an advocate! Your actions thus far have spoken VOLUMES over your glowing rhetoric. Your actions in regards to DOMA (briefs,) your actions and lack thereof regarding DADT (actions=firings, non-action=refusal to show leadership to repeal, or use stop-loss,) are truly louder and more convincing than your words.
What’s it going to be Mr. President? More fluff (happy ending reference) or are you truly going to put actions to your words, this time? Or are you simply going to ask us to “patiently wait” while you throw us under the bus again?
Are Snowe and Collins doing anything for No On 1?I’m curious because it seems with the public shift to the left and every subsequent issue, these two are moving in the wrong direction for continued support in Maine.
Will he condescend to actually COMMIT his support to equality?Or will he, yet again, utter the usual platitudes that sound nice but offer absolutely nothing?
I’m looking forward to Fire and Ink, it’ll be my first time in Austin
COTILLION should have been rescheduled….NOW they are allgoing to be considered to be snobbishly sniubbing NEM…. cuz they are. I don't care when or how hard it was to schedule.
…at the HRC Gala Dinner? No this is just an owed f/u to JOE S. being 'invited' to the WH so many times. …ask Valerie Jarrett.
Help me with the critique of this againLet me get this straight.
We’re cursing HRC for attracting the President to their annual national dinner in October, which they always hold in Oct, after this Equality March thing was scrapped together on short notice (and lauded by many for being so quickly put together in the internet age).
We’re placing Harry Reid above President Obama on DADT for sending a meaningless open letter to the President, when the Senate Majority Leader could attach a rider to any defense spending bill he chooses to effectively suspend DADT.
We’re belittling HRC for attracting the first black president to an large LGBT event, when we’ve been begging for leaders of color to step up and support LGBT equality.
We’re criticizing Obama for coming to a confab of A-List gays who can “afford it” when we just celebrated Congressman John Lewis appearing at Equality Alabama’s gala on this very blog.
We’re criticizing the price of a ticket to HRC’s national dinner (openly advertised as a fundraising event), with no similar criticism for travel costs to DC for the NE march.
I’m all for a effective critique and evaluation of political officials, organizations, supposed allies, and policy progress, but I don’t see it illustrated well in this post.
Let’s try again.
So don’t give us the A-gays line PamYou black gays don't believe in Dallas Prinicples either.
I’m not representing Cotillion…But the likely reason it couldn’t be scheduled is because of the financial hit to do so, given the funding isn’t nearly what NEM has, would be catastrophic. F&I was set up months before NEM was even discussed.
Who are you critiquing?We’re cursing HRC for attracting the President to their annual national dinner in October, which they always hold in Oct, after this Equality March thing was scrapped together on short notice (and lauded by many for being so quickly put together in the internet age).
We’re placing Harry Reid above President Obama on DADT for sending a meaningless open letter to the President, when the Senate Majority Leader could attach a rider to any defense spending bill he chooses to effectively suspend DADT.Uh, where did I put Reid on a pedastal for that transparent letter. It was BS
Again, I think it’s great he’s going. This needs to happen, but if he shows up with nothing in hand to make it clear he’s moving on the issues, not just talking about them, it’s a big mistake. Surely his people know this.
Uh, a ticket to EA’s event was $75. I don’t see that being anywhere in the realm of HRC’s ticket price. Some will spend more than that getting to DC to march.
I criticized that over and over in numerous posts.
So Hunter, if you’re going to lob the charges, ensure you’re addressing me based on what I’ve written, and not commenters opinions (which they are entitlted to and should respond to.)
Thanks for summing that upI’m going back to work now.
President attending HRC fundraising dinner=Good. Nuff said.
Hope the price of the dinner ticket isn’t too highI’d hate to think people were shelling out hundreds of dollars for the main entree to be Pandering Bullshit ala Obama.
No, it IS “nothing”…
Nothing different than Clinton speaking at an HRC dinner when he was President YEARS ago…THAT really worked out well for us didn’t it?
The ONLY good sign in this, is that the NEM has scared them just enough to get him to redo his tired song and dance, just as the boycotting of the DNC dinner in June had them scrabbling to slap together a “Stonewall Celebration” that was transparently last minute because no one had heard about it two weeks before and it was scheduled on the day AFTER the anniversary because, obviously, his calendar before was filled up with meeting he actually cared about.
Will he do requests? How about that gay classic Over the Rainbow…because that’s where you’ll find any ACTION by him…”beyond the moon, beyond the rain….”
And did you hear? He’s bringing his own dessert: Pie In The Sky.
A few miles away and a few hours before “Hail to the Commander of Excuses” plays at the HRC dinner on Saturday, Lt. Dan Choi, one of those roughly 437 gays who Obama’s discharged since being sworn in, will be leading a DADT protest and memorial for the first servicemember to fight the ban, Leonard Matlovich, If you’re around and not one of those still satisfied by simply hearing him say the G-word, please join Dan and Frank Kameny and Troy Perry and fellow DADT casualities Anthony Woods and Alex Nicholson at Congressional Cemetery at 2 pm. 1801 E Street SE at Potomac Avenue. [Within walking distance of Potomac Ave & Stadium-Armory DC Metro stations.]
Or you can go on being willingly treated like a second class citizen thirty-four years after Leonard Matlovich lost his Air Force career for demanding first class citizenship from the country he nearly died for.
This is a no win situation for himand trully atrocius timing. The REASON Congress is being forced to stay in session is because of health care. The last thing he or they need is a national political distraction like this…especially with the rightwing hysteria in full bloom.
Could there be a worse time to force this man into culture war issues?
The President will distance himself from the marchand Marxist Sherry Wolf, Cleve Jones organizers of the NEM.
http://socialistworker.org/200…
I just don’t see alot of gay men belonging to workers Unions mixing cement and laying brick. Marxist equitable distribution of wealth seems out of character. We need to fix democracy and the greed on Wall Street with government regulations, but to suggest Marxism is dumb.
Yes because…Its clear that the Obama administration has not been all that busy lately. Lets ignore the fight that is healthcare and focus nation attention on this so that everyone loses.
Then you won’t findmuch to do politically because Congress is not going anywhere near marriage in the near future.
Notice Obama will be nowhere near the MarchObama is going to speak at a private reception, aka cocktail party. A lot of people don’t realize that. It is a cynical photo op intended to innoculate him from criticism during the March. Meanwhile, while he is proposing toasts at a black tie event, more gay veterans will be having their careers terminated by the Commander in Chief. This inaction is truly shameful of Obama.
Not that I know of.And that has me extremely bent… but not really surprised.
HRC dinner ticket price: $250.00General Ticket $250.00
http://bit.ly/Al1zf
So you now agree that…
…he’s to blame for not using those months leading up to the health care debate crisis [that his BALLLESSNESS let spread faster than swine flu] to keep his promises to The Gays.
Ooops, I forgot, THEN is was the economic crisis. Next it will be that First Dog Bo isn’t potty trained yet and is peeing on all those priceless 19-century carpets. Then it’s be time to invite the fag families to the White House Easter Egg Hunt again. Then they’ll be some flood somewhere next summer. Then it will be midterm elections. Then…then…then…
One has to admire in a nauseating kind of way your invincible devotion to someone who treats you like shit but you’re not the first to return to the person who abuses them just because he keeps saying that “I love you. I really do love you.”
Then the course ahead is clearGet someone in there who is REAL about DOMA, DADT, ENDA.
Stop frigging around with people who talk the talk, then once in office… sit politely on the benches and watch the parades.
Fuck that mess.
Great place!I only lived there for 6 months, but absolutely loved Austin.
$250??I’d rather pay the utilities.
It’s………….battered wife syndrome playing itself out. Some finally wise up to the tactics and some simply cover their ears, eyes and mouth.
Dear Mr. President:
Don’t trust him, Mr. President.
He’s been known to lie.
Signed,
Someone whose equality he lied about supporting
Really? Was that “You Black Gays” line really necessary?News is news. Pam (as well as all the contributors) does an admirable job of communicating news important to this community and queer communities in general.
WHERE in this post was Pam ever going “rah rah?” I thought she did the exact opposite, in mentioning all the problems both with Obama’s appearance AND the HRC?
But you just have to bring race into it, and paint every black gay person the same?
PLEASE. DAMN.
I’d rather donate to No on 1And I have donated just about that much (actually it’s $260)
I was thinking the same thing.
Honestly,I don’t trust EITHER of them.
*sigh*Is there EVER a right time, in your opinion? Cause based on your comments everywhere, I don’t think it is…
I’m sorry, but……cocktail parties are now “shameful”? Black tie events are somehow bad and photo ops are inherently cynical? I could not agree less.
Coctail parties, black tie events and photo ops are part of how the world works. It’s how a large part of the good done in the world gets done. The people participating in them are not (necessarily) misguided or monsters.
I beg to differ that a lot of people don’t realize that this event is a private fundraiser, since that is what every story about this that I’ve read today says it is. Private fundraisers are not evil. Attending them does not make you evil. Proposing toasts is something the human race has done for who knows how long. Have you been to a wedding or other formal occasion that doesn’t include a toast? Toasts are good things.
Anti-elitism elitism is pointless. Criticize Obama for not doing his job, but not for attending formal events. As if that were something bizarre for a sitting President to do!
Yes, Geek, we know
actions speak louder than words……..and the prez is very good at words. he does really well with prepared speech, not so good with thinking on his feet.
and i still say that when he was on the HRC interviews prior to the primary, he was a nervous wreck and seemed very homophobic.
i have seen no change in the homophobic condition.
i do think collins has at least asked some questions about DADT. does anyone know if she is on our team?
already voted NO on 1.
Why Obama @ HRC Dinner = SmokescreenI respect that Barack Obama is speaking at the HRC dinner.
But that is not nearly enough to me, not anymore.
For every person that attends this dinner, there are many more ordinary LGBT Americans including myself who have made sacrifices to travel to Washington D.C. to be seen and heard in our demand for equal civil rights because equality is that important to us.
I remember that Obama chose to accept the Democratic Nomination for President in the 2008 election, not within the walls of the Democratic Convention, but outside of those walls to the masses of ordinary and diverse Americans who wanted to hear your message and vision of America.
I am an ordinary LGBT American, and I deserve to hear your vision of an equal America just as much as that person who goes to dinner with you on Saturday night – and I have tens of thousands of LGBT brothers and sisters who also deserve to hear you.
He has made many promises during his campaign, and he has shown very little action and leadership since becoming President, while people continue to suffer from hate crimes, lose their jobs from employment discrimination, be discharged from the military only for being gay, not be able to adopt children, and not be able to get legally to the persons that they love, under his administration.
No mere words can ever erase the pain and suffering inflicted by second-class status. Only actions will heal this pain and suffering.
I am done waiting.
I demand action now.
read my note in the post about A-Gays
Yes, it is how the world works. I think your categorization of the criticism of these black tie events is off-mark because the actual issue is that the lack of economic diversity (read: class) at these events does have an impact on policy and communication when those with money have the access and those views may not reflect the feelings of the grassroots (without access). That’s a problem that has to be discussed in the open since whatever HRC does is always considered suspect, fairly or unfairly. A lot of that comes from appearances and actions that reflect an elitist perspective. That’s not a condemnation on my part, but a reality check that if there’s a poor reaction in the comments, generally it seems that’s where the roots of the anger lie.
We have to figure how to 1) educate those LGBTs with money to actually listen and dialogue with those without the means and access and 2) for the grassroots to not automatically condemn cocktail parties if you know that actual business is being conducted, not schmoozing. Both sides don’t have a lot of trust on that score.
full bloomi can’t see how right-wing hysteria could get conveivably worse than it already is. obama does essentially nothing, and he is shouted down (literally) as a liar, a fascist, a foreigner, an oreo, a magic negro, a homo-sympathizer, hitler, an african voodoo doctor, an abortionist, the antichrist, a nazi, and the list goes on, and on, and on. if obama or ANYONE actually believes that that segment of the country that hates his guts will ever support any initiative he ever makes, they are pathetically misinformed. fox noise will ensure that the gun-packing xtianist morons will continue to be gun-packing, xtianist morons at any cost. they cheered loudly and publicly when america lost the olympics just because chicago is obama’s hometown and just because he was pushing for it, for christ’s sake. they want his failure in any situation.
what will happen, however, is that obama will continue to lose the support of progressives, which is what we’re seeing already. he’s a weak leader and a spineless punching bag for the rethuglicans who is afraid to live up to his campaign promises. anything considered “controversial”–meaning, anything that the above-mentioned group of sheeple are being told they should dislike–is thrown off the table. it’s a larger problem with obama beyond mere GLBT rights. he can’t or won’t take a firm progressive stance on anything. even the ever-incompetent GWB was able to bully his way through the pointless and often illegal legislation that he wanted.
Obama has to fight the Culture WarsOr we will be stuck with them forever. Unfortunately, Obama does not realize that he has to fight those wars head-on if he is ever going to counter the GOP’s strategy of “NO!” All that we are seeing – the teabagging parties, the threats on the President, the Limbaugh/Beck/Hannity/Fox anti-Obama cheerleading – are all offshoots of the anti-gay hate movement and the Conservative movement’s larger use of scapegoating to create political opponents and distract voters from the real issues (about which they have no ideas).
The trick is that Obama, and the progressive movement in general, cannot get into the actual “war” with the conservatives. What he needs to do is declare the Emperor has no clothes and that the “culture wars” themselves are a crock of sh*t. There is no threat to anyone else from LGBT equality, and there is no greater potential voice for that than the President.
you hit the nail on the head earlier, toothat a lack of GLBT protections largely does not affect those in attendance at HRC fundraisers, who are at a major advantage in often being with employers who are generally more equality-focused, and who are also generally more able to cobble together some scrappy fragments of partnership rights. there are those who are far more desperate.
furthermore, the presidential elections have always been a vomit-inducing set of months where the politicians (obama included) have to whore out their “regular folks” credentials in staged photo-ops where they try to, say, figure out how to work a 7-11 coffee machine after rolling into the parking lot in a pickup (looking at you, hillary). obama has branded himself as a man of the people, but has done nothing to actually address the concerns of people who voted him into office. his spine seems to be hung up somewhere on the front portico of the white house.
Obama HRC Speech
This is huge- it’s great.
There is no way he could speak at the March itself, unless it was by video, like Bush used to do. There is no way to do the security without security like they had at the Inauguration – Obama safe in the Capitol portico, and the demonstrators a thousand feet away (literally) on the Mall grounds.
I think that Obama is going to come through for us, we have to trust him. He is the best we have ever had on gay issues. I know that we are all impatient, but no one is even a close second to Obama.
DittoI’m so over people using the phrase “gay white well-to-do men”. At least the adjective “old” wasn’t included this time. Is it OK for gay white well-to-do WOMEN to attend? Maybe people who scream racism all the time should stop and look at themselves some time.
I’m not ashamed of being gay. I’m not ashamed of being white. I’m not ashamed of being well-to-do. I’m not ashamed of being a man. I am beginning to wonder if it’s worth it to attend FUND RAISERS just be abused.
“A right delayed is a right denied.” – MLKWe do not bend over backwards to appease others in finding a right time for OUR rights.
We do not wait until it is safe to cross the road and find OUR rights on the other side.
No.
“A man who won’t die for something is not fit to live.” – MLK
“I submit to you that if a man hasn’t discovered something that he will die for, he isn’t fit to live.” – MLK
“Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.” – MLK
We are Americans. This is the land of the free, and we yearn to be brave. We are entitled to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.
The time for asking is over.
We want our civil rights NOW.
We demand equality NOW.
Obama Acting For EqualityThe difference between action and speeches is that actions matter. Obama has provided a river of words that will flow away with the current. I want action that will change my life and make me a free man. Power is never given; it can only be taken away.
Unions represent more than cement mixers and brick layersUnions represent actors, dancers, waiters, beauticians, nurses, teachers…
re: Right wing hysteriaInteresting to note on Meet the Press yesterday Right wing politcal strategist, and pundit Mike Murphy said that Beck, Rush, et al,
And Right winger David Brooks agreed with him! Everyone was in agreement the RW noise machine was just noise.
And yet, the threat of howls from this corner have Obama, Reid and Pelosi paralyzed in fear.
I don’t have a problem with the term A-gays based on class, but on sexI use the term A-gays…but it does make it appear these are all gay men, when many of these very wealthy contributors are also lesbians.
no one is asking you to be ashamed of anythingread my comment a couple up thread, and my added note to the post itself. The problem isn’t who’s there at those galas, it’s who’s not there. The fact that the demographics shake out the way they do is because of a class, not race divide, since certainly those of color who do attend either have the money or connections as others there may have. But they don’t represent the vast majority of LGBT people there either.
I certainly don’t want you to feel aggrieved, what I was pointing out (not speaking for the commenter upthread) is that the class divide in terms of money and access has caused our movement a ton of problems and divisiveness because those slices of the community don’t interact much at all and therefore the perspective of the grassroots doesn’t get represented at those cocktail parties where the deals are done. Our community is too self-fragmented to present a unified front, unlike other “minority” groups. There’s less social glue to hold us together, and it doesn’t appear many want to cross those divides, leaving their comfort zones.
We see this conflict repeat itself over and over without an honest discussion about the class divide, which is as threatening as race to a great degree.
K,… as usual JH sums it all up for us..from Good As You
:
It takes all kinds to make the world go round..and i know all can’t be in Washington..(some of us just wish we could.)
So If you can’t make it do see the IQReport where they are assembling teams of livebloggers and videostreamers to bring it to us via a whole new intercontinental type of media event.
What do you know we may see a face or three we know.
….It’s good to finally see so much anger and passion about our lack of equality. I only hope the trend continues into the weekend and beyond. All of this inward bickering helps no one. Remember, we are all on the same time. Lets keep our eye on the prize.
this is silly. Fire and Ink was scheduled well in advance of NEMIf anything, you can argue that Cleve and ‘em should have taken the Cotillion into account when scheduling the march.
I am willing to bet they didn’t know anything about Fire and Ink though…..
These comments….need to be posted on the White House website. A direct plea to the President to address those at the March. They are his grassroots organizers and the people that put him in office. They are also the people that can help him with health care reform, climate change, the economy etc. These are the people that will stand up to the teabaggers. But not until he stands up for them, and the overwhelming percentage of Americans that support LGBT equality.
sigh…never gay or black enough…Depending on the week (or the day), I’m not gay enough or black enough to satisfy either group, and considered suspect of not having enough fealty to one or the other. Being in this position and taking the abuse (so reliably) gets old.
that’s why I have given up trying to prove my ‘cred’ to both groupsAll I can do is be engaged as deeply as I can on issues of interest. Some of those issues are based in the African-American community, some are LGBT, some are black LGBT.
If anyone wants to complain about somebody who is trying to help, I’ve got some words for them …. and they aren’t pretty.
add not woman enough to the listSorry things dump on you personally, that I don’t believe are meant as persoanl critiques or slams.
It’s beneficial to remind the blog a living breathing struggling PERSON is present here, not some unfeeling automatron, who doesn’t get hurt or depressed or TIRED.
the saying “to whom much is given much is expected”
I guess applies to your soul pre-birth saying, “hey maybe this life being a Black lesbian pervert would be a learning experience”
take care
Exactly. Just like Obama.Are you saying they’re as bad as he is, or the other way around?
Oh, poor, poor Obama.Imagine, having American citizens distract him by asking him to keep his promises to them! Good gosh, why don’t people leave him alone, so he can get back to his program of perpetuating the status quo? How terrible of his constituents to distract him with pesky nonsense like the Constitution! I mean, it’s not like we elected him or anything. It’s not like he represents us. Oh, good heavens, what do those LGBT fools want? Equality? Their constitutional rights? The nerve of them! I mean, bothering the president! I’m so angry at them I could stomp my little feet!
Why would the fact that Joe S.is a liar put Obama off? Birds of a feather, and all that.
Funny you should say that.I totally agree with you but, unfortunately, there are many who do wield that club against others who have done well in life. And you are absolutely right that is a dividing issue.
(If I can bore you with this story….Many, many years ago when I was a senior in high school, I was picked to represent my homeroom on the “Senior Committee”. I walked into the meeting room, noticed all the other representatives were from the “A” group and I promptly walked out.)
Slight correction
Not quite. He is clearly the best we’ve ever had at saying he supports LGBT issues, especially when he wants our votes or money. That’s not really the same thing. If he had actually lifted a finger on any of our issues, I might be prone to agree with you.
As a white gay maleI agree with the “A Gays” term. In our mediacentric world the most prevalent gay image beamed out to America is a rich white male living in NYC or SF who parties all the time when he is not at the gym.
This segment is a slice of our diverse pie but the others members of our community are buried under the veneer because the “hip” and “fun” ”A List” gays sell.
While there have been some changes by and large HRC is still dominated by the NYCDCSF gay white male clique. Obama would reach a more diverse audience by also speaking out at the march or in another public venue.
He won’t though because it’s just poltically easier to have fun with “in crowd” and use them to say he speaks to all of us.
The HRC events I have been to were very nice and the award recipients were worthy. The ticket prices don’t reflect an acknowledgement of our diversity, that’s for sure.
It’s a problem if Obama automatically equates “gay” with HRC. We are so much more than that.
All this thread is missing is Malcolm X…againbut oops, we don’t want to get Pam in any trouble, now do we?
As far as Sci Fi Geek is concerned…well, you know…
Negro, puh-lease!Mykelb’s list includes a lot more than marriage and you know that.
Well, THIS black gaywill be in Maine, not in Austin and not in DC.
ooooooohhh, boy, y’all just really want to bring the Detroit out in me, don’t you?
It’s a problem if Obama automatically equates “gay” with HRCWell you need to look no further than the official WH comment on the Dinner. From the Advocate:
http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2009/10/Pressure_Mounts_on_Obama_Speech/
This is the problem, folks. The grassroots out at the march aren’t “the LGBT community” in the eyes of the WH, it’s the well-heeled and well-connected in the room that he interacts with. That’s clearly an inaccurate slice of the community.
Again, the problem isn’t the people in the room, it’s the people who aren’t in the room, cut off by lack of means, often the ones living where there are few protections (unlike the overrepresented NYCSFDC nexus). By default, class differences shake out in differing priorities, concerns and perceptions of the level of urgency to act.
Pretending that doesn’t turn into internal difficulties within the community is part of the problem; it’s somewhat understandable because to address it is uncomfortable and does mean sharing access to power, something most human beings don’t easily cede or share.
And this needs to be addressedPerhaps at the NEM itself.
A part of me does have some sympathy to HRC dinner attendeesI wish there was some preview of what Obama will say to them. If it’s some insulting just be patient cr*p, and a dozen rationalizations why they can’t do ANYTHING. Our leaders have a RIGHT to know that prior to the event, so they aren’t cast as VILLIANS in the larger LGBT community for giving Obama cover by attending.
Well, you asked for it
“A man who dangles worms in the water is not necessarily a friend to the fish.” –Malcolm X
That’s a good one!I’m looking for more.
Does this apply well to, say, Joe Solmonese as well, in our context?
This one is a little more incendiary, but translate for the gays appropriately, please!
http://www.malcolm-x.org/speec…
We need more Malcolms
adding to this
While the people out at the march are more grassroots than the ones at the HRC fundraiser, please remember that there are also many who cannot afford to be at the march, either. I remember early on reading some march supporter saying something like, oh, people can just use their frequent flyer miles to get there. Oh geez….
We have to trust him?At best, we need to trust, but verify.
Is anyone willing to picket?I tried to organize the protest of the DNC this summer here in DC. Depending on who you asked, it was of varying success.
Is anyone here willing to picket? Perhaps I need to start another diary.
YOU LIE!I hope that LGBT activist Lane Hudson is going to be in the audience and then when President Obama starts talking about LGBT civil rights, he can yell out “YOU LIE!“
Uhhh….Even if the worst is true, Barack’s negative legacy is, as of right now, nine months long.
HRC’s? Pushing 30 years.
It will take a LOT for Prez. Barack to negate the verifiable positive track record he had as an Illinois state senator.
HRC has nothing to negate – because its done nothing.
I’m not saying that the administration is not worrying me, but my money’s still on Barack.
I’m just worried that it might be best to put that money on him to place or show.
From a C-list (?) white gay male …I guess … because I don’t know what “well to do” means, and whether I qualify for that according to your metrics. Please enlighten us with the income ranges for A-gays, wannabe B-listers, and those of us just living paycheck to paycheck. $30K annually per household? $45K? $60K? $75K? $100K? More??
And, if I am found to be guilty of being well to do and/or white, should I cease my LGBT advocacy?
Should I decline to attend the Natl Equality March because I will be just one more cleanshaven, college educated white man and might make other less privileged participants resentful or feel uncomfortable?
If I am marching alongside my African American partner of 12 yrs do I get an exemption, or as a result of my race and income am I still unwelcome?
Is my partner’s LGBT advocacy or monetary support more valuable because he is Black?
Maybe you could curtail comments of white gay men to 3/5ths the length of African American or Hispanic posters to make everything all fair and equal in the world… or do I get a “pass of the oppressed” because of my HIV status? Just wondering.
It is disappointing to see so many in this thread–including you Pam!–exacerbating divisions and mistrust among our various communities and perpetuating the very same, unhelpful stereotypes and divide-and-conquer tactics used so efficiently against us by Harry Jackson and Karl Rove. Way to go, team!
Ok, on handPam has explained that the real issue is class and not race.
Stampp Corbin is an A-list gay all day long, for example.
But there is the other point: exactly why has Miss Bishop Jackson been able to use these tactics so effectively? It’s the narrative that “our leaders” write.
like asking the price in an expensive store if you have to ask….If you ask if you are an A-list gay…you aren’t.
btw Mitch notice you can say all the crud you chose to, it wasn’t censored, and I would bet my left nut your post will remain years in a PHB archive.
Can you say that about some other major LGBT sites?
Especially if you overtly insult the owner?
yeah I didn’t think so
Btw you insulted people of color and POZ people, and you talk about dividing us….hypocrite
I understand mitch’s resentmentof the broad swipes at “well-to-do gay white people.”
On the other hand, it’s “our leaders” at HRC and others (the A-listers) that have, for the most part, cultivated and nursed that image for our community (the spas, the circuit parties, etc.) and it’s come back to bite our community in the ass. (I think this may have a lot to do with raising the community’s self-esteem after the worse (for now) of the AIDS era, but that’s just a theory.)
I swear, the class issue in our community is even more explosive than the race issue.
Fire ind Ink sounds like a great eventSo get videos and articles to bring back to us.
This is the GistSFNative says it best in his comment. Speeches are a dime a dozen (including presidential ones). Action is what counts. The focus for decades has always been on how granting equal rights of citizenship to LGBTs would “harm” straight people – and that is pure f**king bullshit. The focus needs to be on the harm a lack of civil rights does to us, our children, our families, and how only action will begin to end the harm. Obama campaigned on a message of change and I just don’t see that change – a speech is not change.
I highly doubt he will do anything more than say a couple nice things about Judy Shepherd and talk about how civil rights is a noble goal. There will be nothing substantial – only status quo.
Orthey can use some of their Platinum Visa rewards points.
We, (my husband and I) will be at the march and I can tell you it isn’t exactly cheap to attend:
I am driving so gas = $100 (roundtrip)
Nick is flying = $372 (roundtrip)
Saturday night hotel = $144
Parking = $40
So that’s $656 (not including food, incidentals, etc).
But, I still feel strongly that the march is needed to apply political pressure.
this is a ludicrous charge and commentThe only reason the descriptive term referring to the vast majority of A-Gays as wealthier gay white men is being uses is because the FACT is that they are overrepresented at galas like this. What am I supposed to call them, or how am I supposed to describe them? I cannot change the fact that’s the demographic.
It’s akin to condemning the statement that black men are overrepresented in the criminal justice system. I’m describing a fact, is it racism to merely state it? No, it’s a description. I don’t like it, but the fact that it’s true doesn’t mean I cannot mention it, or that people can interpret it to say racist things.
Your remarks are so off-point and have no basis in fact if you scan my archive’s content. Moreover, the issue here is CLASS, and you know it as well; I’ve more than adequately explained that upthread.
I’m actually glad the masks are dropping on this one; we don’t discuss class issues within the community much, and as kevinchi said, “I swear, the class issue in our community is even more explosive than the race issue.”
Point madeNow let’s figure out how we’re going to change it.
First off, I’d be careful comparing wealthy white gay men to blacks in the crimminal justice system. The former are not in that group for the same reasons the latter are identified with that group (no matter what certain people will say).
Secondly, I’m just one man, but change starts with one person. Whenever I attend a pay-to-attend gathering, I make damn sure I buy enough tickets so those who can’t afford the tickets can attend also. Could be I think this way because I used to be on the outside looking in; I like to think I just got the “let’s change things” spirit.
The world just works better when everybody can contribute. Ya, I know what many must be thinking, but just remember “The longest journey starts with one step“.
“Hair” and Actor’s Equity UnionHair is showing up at the march tying in LGBT civil rights with Sherry Wolf’s socialism. I think it is a wrong strategy and will backfire on the LGBT community, HRC and President Obama branding our movement as socialist.
We need the prissy HRC gaysTo show that capitalism and free enterprise is alive and well in the LGBT community.
President’s never attend marchesEspecially this one based on Cleve Jones and Sherry Wolf’s worker Marxist views. Did you see President Kennedy at the MLK Civil Rights March? Nope.
Hate to say it, but I think it is an apt analogyThe Democratic Party is the abusive spouse, and the GLBT community is the victim. We are wooed with flowers and candy, then when we have committed ourselves, we get emotionally and physically batted around. When we start showing signs that we will not take the abuse any longer, it is all flowers and candy again, and the cycle starts all over again.
But hey, we should be delighted because the only other choice we are allowed would be worse, right?
Painting Obama Into a Rainbow CornerPam, your post made me think about our approach to Obama and I responded in a post of my own: http://zackfordblogs.com/2009/…
Get down off the cross alreadySomeone else needs the wood.
If all you’re doing is trolling for fresh martyr creds there are better places to do so than here. None of this is about you, it’s about Joe Solmonese’s horde of useless Beltway asskissers. Unless you’re a fawning syncophantic douche more interested in drawing a paycheck from HRC than actually helping a community that suffers from legal religion-based discrimination, this thread doesn’t have your name on it, and you damn well know it.
Good grief.
The Chickens Coming Home to Roost?
Malcolm X- “The Chickens Come Home to Roost”
And for you straight black churchified folks who may be watching this and clutching yo’ pearls that I “appropriated” black suffering into “my lifestyle choices”…
STFU!
He talks real prettyMore claptrap from him when he refuses to put his weight behind our issues. And your description of HRC is so appropriate as is the A-Listers. It is one reason I refuse to support that organization. Another reason is former HRC leader Elizabeth Birch telling my wife that if Trans people want support, they should really go to NOW (???). Not to mention them hanging the T community out to dry on ENDA. And sucking money up into the national office from local communities (though they did give their take from this last dinner to ERW and were widely praised for doing what SHOULD be done).
I’ve always noticed the issue of class in our communities, ESPECIALLY communities of color. WHere you are going this weekend may be a smaller event but I believe it will have more impact.
never say never“he never ends up in the White House, but always in the dog house.”
Since I don’t move in the elite circlesI can only speak from knowing some of the activists I’ve worked with, and there were quite a few affluent lesbians at the upper eschellons. I’ve read of those putting on major GLAAD events run by women, HRC headed by a woman, and several women lawyers active in NAACP, Lambda Legal, ACLU.
So without having cocktails at HRC events, I can’t say for sure, but my guess is it ain’t all gay men.
On the conservative side of our community I’ve read the majority of the Austin 12 are also massively wealthy lesbians.
well sometimes we do move in elite circlesmy lover had quite a sucessful business he made for himself from very poor beginings (this was decades before we met), and he works with serious movers and shakers who own football teams, or all the waste disposal in the state, and old old old NOLA money widows….but we aren’t their friends….we are the help.