Let’s see…is Papa Ratzi and Co.’s strategy to say flaming BS like this over and over to convince themselves this lie is true? No it’s not because their child-raping priests are gay, it’s because they are deviant and sick men who haven’t dealt in any kind of healthy way with themselves as sexual beings. And many of the molestation cases involved young girls.And the church knew that praying away the deviance didn’t work and continued to ship these criminals around. Pay special attention to Tomasi’s “look over there at other scandals” BS.
The sexual abuse crisis in the Catholic Church in the US and abroad was a matter of homosexuals preying on adolescent boys, not one of pedophilia, said the Vatican’s representative at the UN in Geneva, Switzerland. It is “more correct,” said Archbishop Silvano Tomasi, to speak of ephebophilia, a homosexual attraction to adolescent males, than pedophilia, in relation to the scandals.
“Of all priests involved in the abuses, 80 to 90 per cent belong to this sexual orientation minority which is sexually engaged with adolescent boys between the ages of 11 and 17,” said Tomasi. His statement is backed up by a report commissioned by the US bishops that found that in the overwhelming majority of cases the clergy involved were homosexuals, with 81 percent of victims being adolescent males.
Tomasi also responded to criticisms, saying that while the Catholic Church has been “busy cleaning its own house, it would be good if other institutions and authorities, where the major part of abuses are reported, could do the same and inform the media about it.” According to information from various sources, the problem of sexual abuse of minors in religious organizations is widespread among Protestant churches and Jewish communities.
And this whinefest is falling on deaf ears, since the UN Human Rights Council published a damning statement by the International Humanist and Ethical Union (IHEU) that makes no bones about it — the Vatican was responsible for the raping, molestation, child porn and other ghastly offenses by priests — and the coverup. It charges that the Catholic Church has failed to honor obligations under the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.”
The Holy See has been heavily implicated for decades in covering up cases of child abuse carried our by its clergy and religious orders, in obstructing justice, and in failing to deal appropriately with abusers,” said Roy Brown, IHEU Main Representative at the UN Geneva.“Yet for too long it has been given a free ride by the international community because of its presumed moral leadership. Our report is the first to bring the issue to the attention of the Council. We shall be referring to our report in the plenary of the Human Rights Council next week.”
Yep, presumed moral leadership. Instead it was an amoral criminal enterprise that damaged how many families of faith who trusted them?



The sexual abuse crisis in the Catholic Church in the US and abroad was a matter of homosexuals preying on adolescent boys, not one of pedophilia, said the Vatican’s representative at the UN in Geneva, Switzerland. It is “more correct,” said Archbishop Silvano Tomasi, to speak of ephebophilia, a homosexual attraction to adolescent males, than pedophilia, in relation to the scandals.
Tomasi also responded to criticisms, saying that while the Catholic Church has been “busy cleaning its own house, it would be good if other institutions and authorities, where the major part of abuses are reported, could do the same and inform the media about it.” According to information from various sources, the problem of sexual abuse of minors in religious organizations is widespread among Protestant churches and Jewish communities.
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Deja Vu.Pope-wannabe Bill Donahue said the exact same thing.
ANYTIME the Vatican brings up pedofile priests raping children THEY LOSESo bring up your moving these pedofiles from parrish to parrish to parrish never announcing to the new flock the pervert you placed among their kids….FOR DECADES.
Rattzinger himself was the HEAD of hiding the pedofiles and paying out HUSH MONEY settlements for 10 YEARS under pope John Paul.
Ephebophilia?I admit I had to look that one up. And the Arsebishop I think is mistaken when he said ephebophilia is the attraction to adolescents aged 11-17. It’s actually mid to late adolescents aged 16 -19. (don’t quote me)
I think that his attempt to disassociate the Catholic Church from pedophiles & the years of cover-up’s, is insulting!
Oh yeah, blame the queers for the world’s problems. He must of heard it’s all the rage, nowadays.
This also neglects the fact priests have access to BOYSNuns have access to both sex children, but priests are primarily involved with boys. Just as prisoners rape what is available to them, priests gay or straight would attack boys.
Major NSFW warning on this one!It’s almost as sick & twisted as the Catholic Church itself.
Almost.
And the arrest today of the Bishop of New Brunswick for kiddie porn was?
Just another example of why these assholes should all lose their tax exempt status and be prosecuted under the RICO statute for “concealing criminal activities”
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/20…
This is the particular asshole who brokered a $15,000,000 bribe to the victims of child sexual abuse to “make it go away”.
There is not a deep enough pit.
SadI was raised Catholic (am now fallen down the rabbit hole into Pagan-dom) and always fondly remembered the priest who did my First Communion ceremony when I was seven. He eventually became the archbishop of New Mexico. I was saddened to learn that he had been removed from the position because he was reported for having sexual relations with a sixteen year old girl. One of my still-Catholic relatives said “well, it’s bad but at least it was NORMAL because he was with a girl.” I said that while the age was not as foul as if the young person had been twelve, it was still statutory rape, and that it didn’t matter what sex the youth was, what he did was still wrong. He was never inappropriate with young children–I was alone with him on several occasions. I can’t bring myself to hate the man but what he did was inappropriate, and it would have been equally inappropriate with a minor of either sex. My relative’s reaction saddens me because she’s so blinded by anti-gay propaganda that she can’t see this.
Whatever else this statement is,it’s pretty clearly a tacit claim that the Catholic church is and has been a predominantly gay institution. I can’t imagine they want it interpreted that way, but how else (following their line of argument) do we account for the hierarchy actively covering up for their supposedly gay child rapists? What could it be but “birds of a feather” protecting their own–in precisely the stereotypical way that gay people are all supposed to know each other and cover for each other?
Don’t get me wrong–I’m the last guy to wants to claim Holy Mother Church as a gay institution. FAR from it. But that sure seems to be the logical conclusion to be drawn from their bullshit.
And can it be a coincidence that they’re issuing this rubbish just at a time when they’re trying so valiantly to slime LGBT people in Maine?
No Q,
The Catholic Church is primarily a criminal enterprise, occupied sadly by closeted gays who cover up an international child sex abuse ring.
These are sex offenders masquerading as clergy.
The Catholic seminaries were full of gays, maybe more than HALFThis was pre-AIDS, and the Church hid HUNDREDS of priests and seminary students who died in the pandemic.
Many gays choose to escape into religion, a religion of all men would also have an additional draw for these religious gays. Many Catholic families who suspected a son might be gay, would also steer that boy towards the priesthood. Their straight sons they’d marry for grandchildren, the gay son was deemed damaged goods.
The REAL dirty secret in the Catholic Church ,yet to be revealedLesbian nuns who don’t mollest children, the convents are full of them, the catholic colleges have professors who are family. It was NO SECRET lesbian/feminist performers would always perform at a Catholic woman’s college, nuns would come to MCC to worship with FAMILY.
thank youThat is the missing piece I was looking for mentioned in a comment to a previous story. The Church simultaneously accepted tithes to sequester away the pregnant unmarried daughters and gay sons while ensuring that the need to do so would only grow as the church deemed them more and more undesirable. And profited handsomely by doing so, for 1600 years. Hence their institutionalized attacks on women and gays.
When will they get it through their thick skullsthat gay sex is consensual. Anything else, homosexual or otherwise, is a crime; is RAPE. And there has been shown to be an absolute causal relationship between enforced male celibacy and the development of warped, power-informed sexual drives that inevitably prove dangerous to children.
Who would you trust to mind your kids: a gay or lesbian in a strong fulfilling sexual relationship/marriage OR a man who hasn’t had a relationship or any sex of any kind since he was 14 because it’s ‘dirty’.
It’s bloody obvious.
I know I’m just part of the flock…I just wish the people who were in charge of the church wasn’t a pack of rabid wolves.
Homosexual Menare into other ADULT homosexual men.
Pedophiles go after children – boys or girls.
These ancient sissies are NOT homosexual men; they’re not “out”, never have been, never will be – and they’re not into other adult men.
Don’t try to push your scandals onto our community!
This is absolutely hypocritical of the ChurchThey say the LOVE the homosexual “sinner” as long as he abstains from the sin. They are smearing EVERY gay priest who keeps his vows of celebacy. Damned if you do and damned if you DON’T!
OMG, I *know* Silvano Tomasi!!!!!I was at St. Charles Borromeo Seminary from 1967 to 1970. Archbishop Tomasi (then Fr. Tomasi), was the editor of the International Migration Review, which had it’s offices on the seminary grounds and was in residence at the seminary. My mother worked as his secretary.
One of the other priests who was at the seminary, Dino Cinel, was later, after he left the order and became a diocesan priest in New Orleans, turned out to be what we usually refer to as a “pedophile priest,” though I am sure that “ephebophilia” would be a more accurate term.
But I am going to differ with the Archbishop on the definition. This particular subgroup of pedophilia, like pedophilia itself, is not a “sexual orientation,” much as “rapist” is not a sexual orientation. This is a power relationship thing, and there is a compulsion involved.
The case of Dino Cinel is one with which I am sure the Archbishop is very familiar. I was not aware of any predatory activity by Cinel when I was in the seminary, though it is possible.
In any event, Cinel’s story is that as a minor seminarian, he had been abused by an older priest, and his belief is that this is what led to his own feeling of need to do the same.
When Cinel went to New Orleans after leaving the Scalibrinians (perhaps he was pushed out?), he ascertained what the “legal age” was (17), and then he set out to find young-looking young men who were at least 17 and could prove it. He videotaped his sexual interactions with them – this turned out to be what caused him to be caught. He asked a female friend to drive him to the airport, using his car. When she returned to the rectory to drop his keys to his room, she noticed his television on – and the VCR was playing one of Cinel’s tapes. She contacted the police, who seized the tapes.
The police investigation did not turn out any underage victims – Cinel was really careful to make sure his companions were all actually of legal age.
The scandal, however, led the bishop to send Cinel packing – he went to New York where he ended up on Staten Island, married (aside from the pedophilic, um, ephebophilic, stuff, Cinel was straight) and with the Chair in Italian Studies at CUNY in Staten Island.
One of the detectives from New orleans, outraged that there was no prosecution and convinced that at least some of Cinel’s companions might have been underage, went to the New York Times to “out” Cinel as a pedophile. The Times ran a story about this (which is how I found out – and since it was about someone I knew, i managed to remember it). Cinel lost his job as a result.
I don’t know much more, though, and the one article I found in NYT archives isn’t the one I remember – though there are a lot of “pay-per-view” references in Google News archives,
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/02…
My conclusion here is that I don’t disagree with Tomasi’s latin term – but I strongly disagree with the idea that this particular form of pedophilia is a “sexual orientation.” It is a compulsive disorder similar to that experienced by serial rapists, who seek out similar victims, over and over.
The case of Dino Cinel involves a man tortured by his compulsion, seeking to do what he could to alleviate his need without violating the law. Being a chickenhawk, provided one’s companions are over the legal age, isn’t illegal.
Seems to me that people that support the Catholic ChurchAre the ones to blame for this debacle. If you align yourself with evil, you are responsible for its consequences. Just as if you are voting in someone you know is a member or supporter of a hate group (Mass Resistance, or Family Research Institute) (i.e. Bachman, et.al.) to Congress, you will get legislation that is favorable to that groups ideals and dogma. If you give money to a church that has criminals running it, you are guilty of aiding and abetting that criminal’s actions. This is the reason why those churches have never been shut down, people are willing to give money to them without regard to their debasing, criminal, soul destroying nature to hundreds of millions of people. If one is in any group that has dogma that teaches that the means justify the ends, one is complicit in any act the leaders take just by supporting them.
More on Dino CinelHere is a site with the text of a 1991 Vanity Fair article with much of the information. Please note that the reference to Lydio Tomasi is to Archbishop Silvano Iomasi’s brother (who I also know fairly well), who worked with him at CMS and succeeded him as its director.
http://www.bishop-accountabili…
GOOD LUCK getting the queer out of CatholicismThey are all the way up the food chain. A friend who was pastor of the largest NYC Methodist Church knew two Cardinals who wagered each year who had the most beautiful altar boys. They didn’t touch these boys but wanted,….CRAVED the beautiful youths in their church.
If not one more gay or lesbian joined the Catholic chuch’s seminary or convent….they wouldn’t be queer free for 70 years.
A prime example is someone Silvano Tomasi KNOWSArchbishop Silvano Tomasi was stationed at the seminary I attended from 1967 to 1970 as a minor seminarian – St. Charles Borromeo Seminary in Staten Island, New York.
At the time, then-Father Tomasi was director of the Center for Migration Studies, and editor of the International Migration Review. (Nothing about birds, this is a sociological publication dealing with people who emigrate from one place and immigrate to another.)
Another of the priests in residence at the seminary at that time was Father Dino Cinel. I have posted more about him elsewhere in this thread.
Cinel later left the Scalibrinian priest order, became a diocesan priest in Neew Orleans, where a sex scandal occurred involving 160 hours of videotapes he made of himself with young-looking 17+ year old boys (and more).
He was asked to leave the diocese, left the priesthood got married to Linda (yes, Cinel is straight), and got a tenured position at CUNY Staten Island in Italian Studies.
Cinel is an example of a pedophile, er “ephebophile’ priest who is clearly straight, but whose compulsive disorder involves teenage boys – this is NOT a sexual orientation, it’s a mental illness.
(And yes, being transsexual really is NOT a mental illness – but that only proves that the ROman Catholic Church has no idea about science. Silvano Tomasi is a sociologist, not a psychiatrist, and even many of those are mistaken in their beliefs.)