As someone who works in IT, it blows my mind that people still send dumb*ss offensive emails that surely will get them into trouble. And double down bonus dunce points for Morehouse College administrative assistant Sandra Bradley for thinking the email would remain within her circle of homophobic girlfriends. (Southern Voice):
Morehouse College President Robert Franklin is promising to take “prompt and appropriate action” after two members of his staff forwarded an email of a stylish gay wedding ceremony and one made anti-gay comments.
The email, sent to Southern Voice after making the rounds through Fulton County government, included the following lines from Sandra Bradley, an administrative assistant who works in Franklin’s office. The email includes more than a dozen pictures that show a lavish wedding ceremony between two unidentified black gay men earlier this month.
“I can’t believe this wedding. It’s 2 men. They don’t smile in a lot of pictures and they look like a few brothers I’ve seen in the streets looking STRAGHT. Black women can’t get a break, either our men want another man, a white woman (or other nationality that’s light with straight hair), they are locked up in jail or have a “use to be” fatal disease. I’m beginning to believe Eve was a black woman and we Black women are paying for all the world’s sins through her actions (eating the apple),” Bradley wrote.
Bradley appears to have received the email from a coworker at Morehouse, both of whom used their work email addresses.
The two men in the photos, Michael Cole Smith and Jamil Smith Cole, posted the pictures on Facebook and the images were downloaded and added to the chain mail.
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While this is obviously a story about homophobia, it’s also an illustration of the level of desperation out there of a slice of black women who are weary of the lack of available “marriage-worthy” black men. It doesn’t mitigate the above incident, but it does give an opening for discussion of the latter issue, which was covered by NPR earlier this week — “Black Women: Successful And Still Unmarried.” It notes that if you are a black woman with an advanced degree, statistically the odds are that you’ve never married.
New research from Yale University suggests that highly educated black women are twice as likely to have never been married by the age of 45 as white women with similar education.
Hannah Bruckner, who leads the Center for Research on Inequalities and the Life Course at Yale University, says the disparity can be partly explained by a difference in dating preferences between some black men and women.
“Black men are more likely to marry outside of their race, and black women are more likely to marry outside of their education,” she says.
Bruckner says that is compounded by tough competition for a smaller pool of highly educated black men.
So many of these women, if they do marry, may marry a blue collar man, but for others, like Sandra Bradley, they hold onto their anger with a level of toxicity that is directed at all of the real and perceived obstacles for black women re:obtaining a wedding ring.
One may wonder why these successful women just don’t expand her conceptual dating pool? There are reasons for that as well, according to the article.
Niambi Carter, 31, has a Ph.D. and is an assistant professor of political science at Purdue University, admits that she has been hard-pressed to find a black mate with a similar level of education.
But she says it may be just as hard to find an interested man who is not black.
“Black women are not seen as marriageable by those outside of their race,” she says. “We are not seen as adding status.”
Ah, there’s the rub. Even with an advanced degree and polish, many black women do believe the deck is even stacked against them if the expand their color horizons.
The women interviewed also mention something that rings true for me as a woman of color — that for many of us (regardless of sexual orientation), we have been raised with a sense of obligation to pursue excellence to overcome the racial and economic barriers faced by our predecessors. That all-consuming pursuit for some comes at the expense of cultivating relationships — particularly if one has to work through school rather enjoy the freedom of undergraduate college life for those who have more time (and fewer personal obligations) to do so.
It’s a quandry to say you can be happy single when all the social and media signals are blasting heterosexual images of marriage. It’s probably as irritating as being gay and having to endure the endless imagery as well. But you see how this despondency turns pathological and hateful.
Ms. Bradley needs to take a look in the mirror and re-evaluate the negative, ignorant and hateful energy she typed into that email because it reflects such poor self-esteem; does she really think black women would be better off marrying some closeted SGL man who won’t tell her about his same-sex encounters but will treat her with a nice big rock on her finger?



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All-male collegeI attended the only other all-male college in the country, ironically, and can say with relative confidence that this sort of homophobia runs rampant at an all-male institution. There’s something about a school bathed in masculine tradition (Wabash, for example, prides itself on turning boys into men) that attracts some homophobic, rampantly traditionalist characters. (Wabash, for example, was without comparison the most conservative environment I have ever held discussion in, and I grew up in rural/exurban Indiana!
At Wabash we had a campus-wide e-mail list that was abused by pretty much every bigot and pundit student who wished to hit up the !everyone list. Whenever the topic of homosexuality came to bear the hyper-political, right-wing trolls would come out, slogging around tired ideas of “tradition.”
Additionally, consider this: with only two all-male colleges left, people who attend them are often made fun of for attending. (I know I was called gay on a number of occasions when I announced that I was going to Wabash, and my classmates complained of being called “Wally Fags.”) This fuels hyper-masculine behavior as people attempt to compensate for their school’s all-male, potentially homosexual image. I’ve got more than a few examples of that kind of behavior sitting in my life at Wabash, believe you me.
I don’t see the email as particularly homophobicAt least, not the section that was posted. It seems to be an expansion on the hallowed “they are all either gay or married” cliche which, as Pam pointed out, is all too much of a concern for women of color. And yes, black men have a higher incidence of HIV than one would expect, very likely because of the intense pressure to stay in closet; I would class the remark about having “a ‘use to be’ fatal disease” as a sad observation, not bigotry. Is this really any different than me emailing pictures of a straight wedding to friends, pointing out the sexy groom and opining, “Damn, what a waste.”
took the words….right out of my mouth…i totally agree with you about this not being particularly homophobic and just a comment I hear from my own friends about the lack of black men to date in DC…the homophobia might be a reach on this one
I agreeIt doesn’t seen hateful to me at all either.
oh the homophobia is there…It’s just that gay black men aren’t the only target of her ire, so it blunts the perception — she’s obviously mad at white women, AIDS, the criminal justice system, the destruction of the black family, lack of black men seeking academic degrees — it’s a laundry list of truths from her POV.
And the fact is that she’s not incorrect from the standpoint that this reduces the available pool of marriageable black men. What she doesn’t mention is that that pool of men knows they are prime material, and often two and three-time on their women. If you flip through Essence Mag (I subscribe), the sad truth is the female-on-female backstabbing, lack of self-esteem, and letting these men play them over and over (and putting them at risk for STDs/HIV) is incredible. Kudos for the mag to try to focus on black women creating their own wealth, independence and such, but below the surface is that frustration of wanting the perfect black man who is hard to come by.
I have to add…While I am not black, I did see the same thing in white women, complaining about where were all the marriagable men, and that was while among other places sitting in the back seat of a car while 2 women were discussing the matter as if I was not there. I was single, 28, looking for a girlfriend/wife, very shy, but still overcoming my shyness to ask women out, and not knowing I was a crossdresser, just thinking I had a fetish for women’s clothes.
As I later found out when one short term girlfriend dropped me, I did not exhibit a strong male figure of authority that she, being somewhat shy, she thought she wanted, so she could bask in her partner’s limelight. So the homophobia is even at a deeper level than you state. The men don’t have to be gay, but just need to be seen as someone not masculine enough, to be ignored by straight women.
For straight people, My opinion is a woman looks for a husband like her father, a man looks for a wife like his grandmother.
After seven years in Kansas, asking out over 60 women, going out at least once with over 26 women, (and this while being shy and not loosing my virginity until age 28) I moved to a part of the country where I thought women were more independant of their fathers, not needing a strong father figure for a husband to be happy, and I found my wife-to-be 2 months after moving there (California).
I had and have my own anger at women that rejected me while profusely declaring they were looking for a man with my exact traits (and they ended up marrying a typical male, not what they said they were looking for.)
Oh dearWell I’m sorry to the black women like Ms. Bradley who feels she can’t get a break (and yes, I know black women like Ms. Bradley) ’cause you can’t find a man for a host of reasons.
And as a gay black man with a little bit of edumication (and I can “pass” for having an advanced degree) y’all just don’t know what Pam calls “the level of toxicity” behind all of this.
And…Morehouse is the “House of Queens”, what is she thinking?
Homophobia isn’t the main driver behind this emailBut I do think it’s there. Being that I’m a black woman, I actually feel Ms. Bradley’s pain, but she’s got to control her frustration. Ranting like this benefits no one.
And just for the record, I hate it when people say straight black women should stop boxing themselves in and consider dating outside of their race. Number one, it implies all our dating woes are our fault. Number two, it ignores the the fact that the great majority of non-black men are not interested in us.
Of course, I had to Google the pics.I used to cater for a couple of years and have been to about 200 weddings, so, believe me, I’m not judging the wedding. If they’re happy, that’s all that matters. But it gives even more insight into Ms. Bradley’s state of mind. In other words, in what universe do these two gentlemen look straight?
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Again, my thoughts mirror yours.It’s funny, Pam, but I had the same sort of reaction that you did. That the hatefulness is there and present, but also the sadness that black women face these pressures. As a gay white man in rural MS, my experience with that subset of black women is admittedly small, I still see from my limited experience how anger-inducing that must be.
My question to you, Pam: what do we do about it? I only have two undeveloped thoughts about it. One, obviously, get rid of the anti-gay animosity and try to focus on what are the real problems. (Easier said than done,I realize.) Second, my only other thought is that women, and men, too, for that matter, must learn that HAVING to have someone else is not crucial to a person’s self-worth or self-esteem. (as above, much easier said than done) I see way too many women, mostly white here in my circle, who feel that the only way to “wholeness” is with a man. I pray that my niece does not grow up to feel that way.
Any possibilities you’ve thought of, Pam?
I disagreeI am a black man with an advanced degree and I totally understand the frustration on there part.
You and I both know that by and large, black women are far more likely to get a good education and find well paying employment than black men. Black men like me with a high level of education, no kids/baby mommas, disease free, a good paying job and does not have a police record are sadly quite rare. given that there is a disproportionate number of black men in jail or die early, their stress and anger is a bit understandable.
As a black male that has been placed on that pedestal because I meet that criteria (which is the only time I’m considered a “catch”) you can definately see the sharks circling (especially given that my orientation is not obvious). These are otherwise decent women for whom circumstance has made the prospect of having a personal live very difficult. So when they see black men dating woemn from other races or other men, the sense of loss is that much worse.
Its frustration pure and simple…and that is a sentiment that I can definately identify with.
The thing is…I do not think that these women actually think that they need a man to be “whole.” In my experience, black women tend to be fiercely independent and the most likely to follow their own path (this is one of the reasons why then also tend to be more educated than black men).
However, the reality is that no one wants to be alone forever.
thank you…That line in the article about black women not adding status to the mix for men who aren’t black is still a stigma out there, despite some sisters who do have it all going on except for a man. That’s due to the legacy of racism and standards of beauty that most black woman cannot attain.
It’s not our fault to be born the color we are, but we’re judged by that luck of the draw for a lifetime. I feel for these women, but she’s definitely not carrying an attitude that will make her appealing to the very man she wants to attract. The desperation is all over that email.
Morehouse as a straight cruising groundAnd…Morehouse is the “House of Queens”, what is she thinking?
ROTFLOL, kevinchi – is that not the truth. Her gaydar is BROKEN.
“Circling sharks”-lolYeah, I get that too. And my orientation is pretty obvious.
I mean, I’m sorry, but my sexual orientation just won’t change simply because some black women feel that it’s my duty to the race (and I have heard a lot of that!). I am honest and upfront about who I am. I shouldn’t be the object of that toxicity nor do I accept the vitriol that comes with it (which is usually scapegoating).
Shit, I ain’t trying to sleep with their man (if they have one).
Scifi Geek is correctMost black women are independent and are making do with the lack of a companion, but the reality is no one wants to be alone, watching their non-black friends/officemates pair off, get the ring, start a family, etc. The option not to marry is clearly more socially acceptable for black women than in the past.
The toxicity I mentioned and kevinchi alluded to is the fact that the now independent, have my own house and a good job black woman scares off a lot of the brothers of all socio-economic levels as well. Visit some of these bulletin boards of eligible (as opposed to marriage worthy) black men complaining of demanding women wanting a baby, or holding on sex because she doesn’t know how good she has it to be with him, etc. etc. Even without the issues at play we’ve discussed, the fallout from the gap in education and social strata makes the divide and attitudes between black men and successful-and-looking black women an almost no-win situation. The sentiment and level of anger is real in that email, and it no doubt transmits into the few dates that do happen into a rush to commitment that intimidates that prime catch — since he can always keep looking for “a better deal.”
I don’t know what anyone can do with this mess. Between the cultural taboo black women marrying outside their race and the lack of interest outside of black women from men of other races, we’re looking at a trade off for all that hard work of these women put into breaking racial boundaries — emotional depletion, resentment and the prospect of never having a life partner. This shouldn’t be the result of all that effort to make something of one’s self.
That anger sometimes spills overInto the antagonistic attitudes that some Black women have toward Black transwomen as well.
Some of them see Black transwoman as peeps who are further diluting their chances to get married because by transitioning, we take another ‘good Black man’ out of circulation.
PC Run AmokThis is neither offensive nor revealing about how these women feel about gay people. We have bigger problems to focus attention on.
Thanks for the thoughtsI hope you understand that I’m trying to wrap my mind around this issue that is important to me to understand!
Experience matters, so I’m glad to hear your perspective of “independent” black women; I don’t get to see enough of that around here. And your last sentence really makes me think about how this issue plays out in the psyche of these women.
I’m curious if you think that society’s desire to remove some of those social stratifications might make a real difference (OH NO!!! AFFIRMATIVE ACTION). And obviously repealing some of those social taboos is crucial. (Just as an aside, my partner’s previous lover was a black man. It was the only thing that got them to place something higher than “my son is TEH GAY.”)
Pam, how do we work through these feelings to get at the homophobia, whether extrinsic or intrinsic. It almost seems as though this lady’s feeling might actually be an OPENING to ridding some of it. Thoughts?
Depends on who the “we” areI take it you are not a member of the black community?
Monica, isn’t it just sadWhen black transwomen get blamed for taking another black man off the market for transitioning, it’s time to put these poor single black women on the couch. The level of toxicity is so horrific.
“We have bigger problems to focus attention on”Maybe, but this is one post out of many others on the blog dealing with issues you may care about more. The fact is, I do care about this issue because it does affect how LGBTs are perceived irrationally as “the enemy” for taking what are perceived as a group of men “off the market” from a demographic that happens to be black women.
You see no relevance or connection to homophobia there, or is it that the complexity of this dynamic simply not of interest? I honestly want to understand your reaction, since this blog covers a variety of topics and issues, yet this one isn’t “big enough” or worthy of discussion from your POV.
Even if you’re not blackI don’t see the harm in taking a moment to peer into the lives of others.
And since Pam is a black woman it seems obvious to me why this might be a topic she’d want to focus her attention on.
Whether or not it’s homophobic or offensiveit’s still inappropriate use of work email.
Even I would have to disagreeI don’t see the email as particularly homophobic, but I do see homophobia. Ms. Bradley seemed rather upset when she wrote that email, and when people are upset their masks drop. When bigotry — homophobia or racism or sexism or whatever — is revealed, you can bet that it is deep-rooted, no matter how well it is disguised otherwise.
Yes, there is a lot more to the email than just homophobia. But that doesn’t mean that the homophobia cannot be challenged, and with the various priviledges granted me by accident of birth, I don’t feel that I’m qualified to address those other issues.
There is Some Gay hate up in this email…But I think there is more frustration over prospects as well which I think overshadows the homophobia.
I listen to my mother who isn’t college-educated nor does she have a good paying job and she says the exact same thing– and not only that but comments the exact same way- “That we’re either with white women or gay.” It aggravates me because whenever the anger is directed that way my only thought in my head is that she should either a) Become a lesbian since the gay party welcomes every and anybody and she believes you can instantly become gay anyway so voila problem fixed, or b) date interracially her damn self and stop waiting for some perfect black man to come along when there’s a nice respectable Indian dude down the street who cooks.
Also? The article mentioned I really think is unfair because it assume the just because black women don’t have the same prospects and options as white women (and for the most part, WHEN HAVE THEY?) that somehow they are just screwed because they have to be with someone “below them”- “God, I make more than him- the world ENDS if I can’t perpetuate the same stereotypes as the whitefolk!”- AND that all black women’s end result is to get married because that surely solves all the problems and never causes any. It might not happen for her. It could happen and then it could end just the same because being married doesn’t mean you damn well stay that way.
Plus, and this is my BLACK GAY MAN RAGE which is unfair, mostly emotion, and childish but…
Heterosexual Black women have the support of the black community in ways gay men and women do not, family, church; i’m not saying its always the best nor that its easy for black women because its not but she can go home for love and support when we have to lie about ourselves half the time to get what she can.. Heterosexual black women have lower rates of HIV infection than gay black men (still high as fuck but ours is dismal as ever). Het. Black women have a higher chance of finding a mate or partner than gay black men simply because of statistics- there are MORE heterosexual black men than gay black men no matter what your Gangsta Lit or Wendy Williams, or your pastor tells you. Black men may marry interracially more than black women but the article makes it sound like every negro you know is with a white girl. Not true as most black men DO marry black women.
However, every time I turn around a gay brother is with a white dude. Every time I turn around a gay black man is with a Heterosexual black woman! And simply put, how many BLACK GAY Weddings do you see in your lifetime? How many?
It may be hard in your life but how many heterosexual black weddings have you been to? Seriously!
So, I really get tired of the “Woe is me- these dudes are either fags or banging white girls” talk because we black homos don’t have it any better than they do and I don’t feel like going over and giving you my shoulder to cry on when technically I have similar issues and you damn sure won’t do the same for me. And for that eff you.
End scene.
I never suggested that this was not worthy of discussionAfter all, I did discuss it. -;)
This just looks like an extension of “all the good ones are either married or gay.” I have always received that lament positively.
Of course, being neither female nor black, I might see this from a different perspective. It wouldn’t be the first time that I failed to appreciate how those differences might shape my reactions to something.
But then white gay folks wonder whythe black community doesn’t support the gay community on issues (especially gay marriage), a thread pops up that explains some of the sociological background that makes black women more reticent to support marriage, and then you so casually dismiss the significance of it.
But then some in the white gay community were so quick to spew vitriol and the black community generally and black women specifically when the Prop 8 exit polls come out.
I just looked at that pictureand you are so right!
Is Ms. Bradley, Star Jones’ alias?“does she really think black women would be better off marrying some closeted SGL man who won’t tell her about his same-sex encounters but will treat her with a nice big rock on her finger?”
hehehehehehe!
Lesbians seem the natural allies of single Black WomenThey aren’t taking anyone’s man, and mant might find a single Black woman aluring…just don’t touch her hair.
omg flame on, brosThere is ZERO chance those two men would be prospects for Ms. Bradley. LOLOLOL
amen, Petey, lol
As a white person…When I was in high school (late 90s), my cousin on my father’s side started dating a black woman. My father’s family freaked out, disowned him and refused to even recognize his existence in the world. I was dating an asian boy at the time and the first thing my father said was “atleast he’s not black”. I was not disowned or subject to the same treatment as my cousin. This was the breaking point for me in terms of constantly having to deal with their blatant ugly racism, so I didn’t have contact with them for 10 years. In the mean time, they decided they were wrong for their reaction to his love life and welcomed him, his wife and baby back into the family. Its not perfect now, but its for the better. He had the courage to risk losing his family to be with the one he loves and I always admired him for that. It also encouraged me to show up at this door last year as trans gay man and he welcomed me home too, which is not even close to what I expected.
My whole point is that black women will never get a fair shake until other people stand up FOR them and WITH them (the latter is actually more important, I’ve found). Love relationships change people and their families and accepting a black women into yours seems difficult for most people, regardless of race. It’s shameful to say the least and I hope all the white people on this site really listen to what is being said here.
For the recordI was one who clearly stated my opposition to that theme. My take was that we failed to reach out to the black community.
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In this instance, I was actually thinking along the same lines. However, that is predicated on my view that this was innocent – a view that I admitted could be shaped differently than that of Pam or others.
And if you plan on reaching out to the black communitythis is an attitude among black women that you will run up against.
Don’t get me wrong, I am not blaming the white gay community for the problem/perception (although there are many black women that do “the white women and the white men are taking our men”. That is a perception (no matter how irrational) that will have to be dealt with.
Remember, black women also vote in greater numbers than black men…
And there’s this…
Black women also go to church more than black men too.
Trust me, thoughts about this in the black community (even about homophobia itself) are far from monolithic.
Speaking of hairThose Northern Louisiana white women including the Good Morning TV show host had BAD HAIR. So dried out and over blow dried and nasty football shaped cut, it was all I could do not to knock her to the ground and condition her hair.
LOL!
no that hate mailto me it just a woman who is fed up with black men and their actions.. Over all just bitching about them in general, but “WE” gays and Lesbians have to make something out of nothing as usual
OK, I’m a gay black manout and non-DLed for almost 25 years. Obviously these gay black men are not in the closet (since they’re married). I take some offense to her “bitching” and scapegoating.
I’m sure you can find bitter single white womenJust as angry at gay men taking the “best catches.”
The ratio of single white women to available men isn’t as stark as “marriage worthy” Black men to single Black women.
Thank Odin I escapedGoing back to the days when I thought I was straight I can definitely identify with this. I didn’t have any animosity towards gay men (and I’m pretty sure this women has some homophobia issues cause I’m pretty sure she’s religious) but I definitely know the place of bitterness and despair where it’s coming from. Broadening the pool to other ethnicities doesn’t help much. I’m still scarred from trying online dating and seeing profile after profile where guys would have every race except for black checked for their “ideal match”.
I swear, one of the first thoughts I had after realizing that I really only wanted to date women was about how happy I was that I didn’t have to be part of the hetero dating scene anymore. It really is brutal for black women.
This is one matter where the lie that orientation is CHOSEN needs to be dispelledIf a gay man regardless of race isn’t with THIS GUY, he’ll be with THAT GUY, not a woman….PERIOD.
See, this is the type of story I have to tread very carefully on’cause uh…there’s sexism isuues that come up and that I slide easily into.
Another myth to dispell is everyone grows up to be coupled for life.I think if we taught children it’s fairly rare you will find the love of your life, and it lasts as you grow old together.
Give kids realistic expectations, and being WHOLE and self sufficient, whether they are coupled or single. Quit teaching little girls their wedding is the highlight of their lives, and without that, their life isn’t worth living.
The faux pride some women base their attractiveness uponThinking they could “CHANGE” or “FIX” a gay man, is total cr*p.
If he’s gay he’s gay…..move on to another guy.
“men are like busses miss this one, and there’s another one along in 5 minutes”
Ho-HumYes, I’ve gotten some of that. “I can change you.” Heck, I know black women who married guys that they knew were gay (of course, those marriage didn’t last very long at all).
Black HomophobiaGo check out Bossip on this story.
a thoughtI believe in one T. Perry movies there is a line “this is for a black woman who every had to deal with a black man” so is this line racist, no just plain bitching.
everyone is racist to a degree, sexist as well. men bitch about women, women bitch about men,
However I see why so many hate us.
Now thanks to us bitching about our lives, I must miss the part in our handbook of life where it said we are perfect and life is fair and balance..
I bet also if this was about two white men, from a white woman, nothing would have been said about it..
We know why it going about so much, race is in play on this one
Wow! From Bossip!
To be completely fairthere’s quite a few supportive comments on Bossip as well.
Well put
That is true and important to point out.
Black women are not complaining about marrying “below us”At least I’m not. It’s completely possible for a woman with an advanced degree & a man with only a high school diploma to have a lot in common and be a good match but that’s the exception, not the rule.
No sickntired…Everone is PREJUDICED To A degree, NOT Racist
This is one of the fundamental problems of race relations that many whites fail to grasp.
Everyone is NOT racist. Evryone is prejudiced on one level or another.
Racism is when you take that prejudice, combine it with power (social, political, military or police power) and then act in ways that retard or roll back the progress of either an individual or members of a minority group
Amen, Pam
And unfortunately, that toxicity hinders our ability as African descended transwomen to not only live our lives, but do our part to help our cisgender African descended sisters deal with some of the problems that ail the African American community.
I think it’d be more accurate everyone is taught racist crudWe are also taught sexist crud and homophobic crud…it’s EVERYWHERE.
You would need to have been born under a rock, and raised by wolves not to learn it.
You also never unlearn that crud. You can work to not speak or act on it…but it’s still in there.
THAT’S where self loathing comes from, whether it’s Blacks prefering lighter skin and finer texture hair, or women with body shape issues, or masking how intelligent they are, or losing at games to protect male egos, it’s also where self loathing queers learn to dislike sissy or nellie behavior.
NO CHILD is born with any of that crud, we instill it in them DAILY.
Interesting about “sissy” or “nelly” behaviorI was discussing this at another gay blog with another black gay (and femme, I think) man. His thought is that gay men who are “more femme than others” are less likely to be self-loathing and to have psychological problems related to being gay.
I agree with him. It was actually being among the femme queens and drag queens when I lived in New York that taight me to accept myself.
What was startling revelation years after Boys in the Band flickEmory the obvious nelly character was the best adjusted queer in the bunch.
Agree!And many women (and men) who pursue advanced degrees are not necessarily doing it to attract mates – they want to get better jobs!
Black women, of all people, know we need to be able to support ourselves financially – so if you have the opportunity, getting an MBA, JD, MS/MA might offer some buffer against unemployment and low-wage job hell.
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Who doesn’t understand that?What I was saying was the idea that somehow a man automatically needs to have money in order to be eligible. A many of black men i know who are college educated still have hard times getting jobs and are just as educated as they are. They may not have funds that would ‘mesh’ well with a woman’s lifestyle. Poor people these days have degrees too and work in bookstores and are good decent men. There are lots of educated good decent men around the corner and if a person is waiting for a guy with the right cashflow to come around whose fault again is it that they are single and unhappy about it?
..again i say just become a lesbian and there you go problem solved.
I would agree with that assessment.If she had only targeted the one group/class of gay black men, then her comments would have been more visibly homophobic. Since she did spread her targets out, and do it within a “softer” message that didn’t include epithets, slurs, or pejoratives, the jibe against gay black men seemed more subtle.
Frankly, the comment that I found the most disturbing to me — as a trans woman who earlier in her transition was very visibly trans — was regarding how the married couple appeared to look “straight.” If the couple in question would have “looked gay” (which I’m assuming would mean “looked effeminate”), would that be “better”? I’m not liking that apparent value judgment.