OMFG!I… don’t know what to say.
Take the suicide watch circumstance out of it and it’s still horrendous and worthy of condemning harshly.

even if she weren’t on suicide watch,to use someone’s body as the butt of a joke is just plain mean.  how 3rd grade of snl.  did they follow up with booger jokes and armpit farts?

I was nevera big SNL fan but I won’t EVER watch an episode after this crap.
I can’t believe this.

what a messJust when did we become so high and mighty, that we can’t take a simple damn joke, At this rate we our selves will take our right to free speech away..  

SNL“Not funny, SNL. Not funny at all.”
I think you just described about 99% of what that show has done over the last 10 years.

It wasn’t “we”……unless it was “we” in the royal sense of the term with this diary. I own my frustration.
I don’t believe this “joke” about Caster is a “simple joke”; I personally think it’s really unfunny to make a joke about woman’s sex and gender when she’s on a suicide watch for how media is reporting on and portraying her sex and gender. I expressed my frustration in first person terms. Others may chime in and agree with me, but if you reread my piece, I spoke in my voice with my opinions — no “we” here.
If you want to disagree with my opinion, sickntired, please do. I don’t want in any way to discourage you from taking controversial positions or expressing vigorously what may be unpopular views.
In this case though, I will vigorously disagree with your viewpoint. The joke isn’t funny to me on a number of levels. But even if it brings a chuckle from a listener, it’s in my opinion an exceptionally hurful joke told with extreme distastefulness. It, to me, is equivielent of making jokes relating to blond women or African Americans — This joke about Caster Semenya, in my opinion, a sexist way of making fun of her for being intersexed.
A joke can both funny and inappropriate. For example, telling a sexist or racist joke may incite a chuckle or laugh among one’s friends, but I don’t believe it says anything flattering about the ones who tell those jokes, and I wouldn’t chuckle — I’d scould if I heard such a joke.
If you want to consdider my behavior “high and mighty” for objecting to this joke about a suicidal young woman — a sexist joke that goes to the heart of the reason why she’s on a suicide watch in the first place — well, I don’t see what’s so “high and mighty” about objecting to it. Making fun of a woman in personal distress with a sexist joke against her apparent interesexual status seems pretty heartless and wrongheaded to me.

With all due respect ….I doubt very much where Caster Semenya lives she gets SNL.
Yes, it was bad taste in regards to timing, but to blame SNL if she does herself in is going a tad overboard.
And won’t you feel bad if she did herself in by providing a link to the segment you’re complaining about so she can see it ?
But then she probably doesn’t read PHB either.
And I agree with sickintired’s comment also.

mmm piss are wehere is something I remember from grade school
sticks and stones may break my bones
but word will never hurt me…
Boy now day, everything hurt “US”, we are once again turning ourselves into victims to advance our points of views…
We remember we at one point or other used ever term that we now deem, demeaning and degrading.. and now our right to free speech has been harm to the point were we no longer has it, if it hurts someone’s damn feeling…
They can call me a Faggot or any other term they like.. It doesn’t brother me, I got over that in high school..  

let me ask you a question.if you think a black woman isn’t within earshot, is it still ok to tell a racist joke?  if you assume you’re among straight people, is it ok to tell a nasty faggot joke?
semanya isn’t the only intersex person in the world.  even if she didn’t hear this, others did.  it’s just plain cruel to make any individual, and by extension anyone like them, the butt of a joke because of the body they were born with.

That’s naiveWords may not “hurt” you, but that words never have physical consequences is laughable. Proponents of unrestricted freedom of speech will deny it, of course.
Furthermore it’s pretty arrogant to suggest that depressive people who’ve just lost their perspective get a thicker skin.

and now our right to free speech has been harm to the point were we no longer has it, if it hurts someone’s damn feeling

Oh, you deride depressive people? I can’t say what you are because it wouldn’t be very civil. And dear lolcat, how is your right to free speech being harmed?
So you got over being called faggot? Does that make it ok? Some might have not suffered from being called faggot, but from being designated as a target.  

my my what a notePerspective is something that we have lost,
I have never been a target because of my sexuality, then again I never threw it people faces neither,like we are doing today. I have lost all respect for my community since the mid 90′ to today, we are now claiming that we need all this protection, which we know is a bunch of crap, and we know it.
In most cases we can stand to hear the truth about our community.
Everything that happens to us and in our community we cry “HOMOPHOBIA” “HATE CRIME” “DISCRIMINATION”
WE JUST LOVE PLAYING THE VICTIM HERE LATELY… WE NEED TO GROW THE F-UP.
BTW
EQUALITY IS JUST A CONCEPT, EQUALITY IS SOMETHING TO WORK TOWARD AS A GOAL. HOWEVER IT DOESN’T EXIST, THERE ISN’T EQUALITY AMONG THE SEXES, OR THE RACES AND CAN’T BE FOUND IN OUR COMMUNITY EITHER. WE KNOW WE DISCRIMINATE MORE AGAINST OUR OWN THEN OTHERS DO TO US.

I never threw it in anyone’s facebut some of my co-workers did. Nothing serious really. Just sexually harassed and demeaned daily. Or the time I was held by two of them while a third sexually assaulted me.
Count your lucky stars you were never a target.
Dena

I Call BullshitYou said, “I have never been a target because of my sexuality, then again I never threw it people faces neither,like we are doing today.” Well honey you are either living on another planet or are simply deep in denial. If you have truly never have been a target because of your sexuality, then you have been living in the closet. And if you are not walking down the street holding hands with your significant other then you are still in the closet – you are hiding your sexuality from the world. We all do it to some extent. We all judge the situation and decide whether or not it is safe to truly be ourselves.
Secondly, how exactly does someone throw their sexuality in people’s faces. By simply being ourselves? By demanding to be treated equally?
Honestly, you sound like someone who would prefer to stay in a pre-Stonewall era. It’s as if you agree with the haters because you hate yourself also.
Next, I think that Angie Zapata, Matthew Shepherd and Lt Dan Choi would disagree entirely that needing protection (from hate and bigotry) is NOT a bunch of crap. I’m not saying that pulling the “gay card” does not exist, but to say that we do not need protection from economically harmful, physically harmful or even deadly hate and bigotry is fallible at best.
Moving on, regarding discrimination – discrimination exists in every walk of life – on that, you and I agree. But how do we discriminate more against our own than others do? Yes, discrimination exists in the LGBT community. The gays don’t like the lesbians, the lesbians don’t like the gays, and the transgender persons get it from every group. But I am pained to see more than a handful of LGBT people who are trying to arrest progress towards equality and away from the discrimination we receive.
Lastly, are you from the planet Zyrgatron?  

I’m with you on this one Lurleenand i don’t agree with sickntired’s comment.
Any “ism” needs to be called out. Whether it is racism, sexism, orientationism, gender identityism, or intersexism.
Every time you sit quietly and allow these types of jokes to go unchecked you have missed an opportunity to make a small dent in the monolithic isms of the world. Discrimination will only end, in all of its forms, with billions of tiny advances. It never ends by any single large event. The 1964 Civil Rights Act didn’t end racism. The work of millions of people has made it recede, but it still exists and the work must continue. And calling people out on tasteless jokes which make fun of something which is completely out of the control of the joke’s target is part of that work.

They also demeaned Thomas Beattieon a Weekend Update segment not long ago… an SNLer portrayed pregnant transman Beattie and told Seth Meyers that the baby was crowding his “prostate.”  Meyers touched the faux-Beattie’s stomach and said “I can feel the baby kicking.”  ”Beattie” replied “That’s not the baby, that’s my dong.”
Grrrr… the writers failed to realize (or chose not to for the sake of a bad joke) that Beattie had neither prostate nor penis…  

I didn’t laughI just felt bad for the woman they were making fun of.  I had some friends over putting together campaign signs for a local mayoral race, they didn’t laugh either.  And most of them were straight people who had barely if at all heard about this woman, and were dismayed when I told them about her being on suicide watch after this kind of treatment.  It’s kind of hard to laugh at any of their other jokes after such a disheartening segment.
I can see where other posters are coming from who believe that if we get too focused on victim-hood too often then we do a disservice to ourselves, to our self-perceptions, as well as our perception by society at large, but in my opinion I think this case was pretty cut & dry as distasteful & hurtful.

Hmmm …you must have listened to me on Gay Agenda when James Hipps interviewed me on BlogTalkRadio this past Wednesday evening.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/J…

may I ask you a question …did you have a problem with Eddie Murphy when he did the Buckwheat routines on SNL ?
How about actor/director Mel Brooks when he made fun of Catholics in his movie “History of the World” ?
Or as silly a comparsion, Geico making fun of Neanderthal men ?
It’s satire, and satire is often done in bad taste.
Good grief, never read my blog, Bitchy Old Queen, you’ll be pulling your hair out and having fits.
I don’t remember anyone here complaining when SNL made fun of George Bush or Sarah Palin.
http://bitchyoldqueen.blogspot…

Not the “Pregnant Man” AgainThe joke from SNL with Caster Semenya was tasteless, but the Thomas Beattie thing was hilarious…no one fell that the men-can-get-pregnant scam.  

“We” again.

WE JUST LOVE PLAYING THE VICTIM HERE LATELY… WE NEED TO GROW THE F-UP.

Again — royal sense of Autumn we’re talking here? If anyone “just love[s] playing the victim here lately,” it would specifically be me in my diary that would need to “grow the f-up,” and not “we.” I speak in my public voice for me, and I own my opinions — no “we” here, except perhaps the royal sense of Autumn.
As I tell trans people who want to assume their experience with being trans is the universal experience, there is no “right way” to be transgender. As I tell transsexuals who try and tell other transsexuals that there is a “right way” to transition from male-to-female, there is no “right way” to transition. We each are human; we each have our own personal experiences. I’m trying to figure out how or why your personal truth is (or should be) “the truth” for our broader LGBT community — in the sense its apparently your belief that its the “right way” to be LGBT. What your personal experience with never throwing your sexuality in the face of another has to do with the life experience of an outed intersexual woman is just beyond me.
Basically, just because you use the term “we” doesn’t mean you speak for any collective “we”; just because you use the term “we” with the concept of “should” doesn’t mean you’re a prophet that “we” should blindly embrace the opinions of.
The problem is really you haven’t really attempted to persuade me or other blenders here by telling me that you speak “the truth,” and “we” — as either me, or  as the LGBT community — need to “grow the f-up” with regards to speaking out against the way the Caster Semenya story is being handled by media. You’re not really telling me why I should change my mind, you’re just really telling me I’m wrong. In fact, I can’t help but feel you’re only here to tell us that “we” are wrong and you are right — trolling?
Well, “right way” arguments regarding how to be LGBT just don’t persuade me. So, I guess it goes without saying that my personal perspective on media handling of the Caster Semenya story will likely never align with your personal perspective, and I’ll likely never embrace “the truth” your truth because even if I were highly inclined to change my mind, no attempt at persuasion is going on here.
With that thought in mind, I’m not going to engage you on this subject anymore. I see no point.

I don’t remember Bush or Palin being suicidal.

If you have never been a target because of your sexualitythen you don’t have a perspective of how dehumanizing it can be.
That’s not to say you can’t have or express an opinion; of course you can. But you just defined clearly your own limitations of understanding.

Same question for both sickntired and Lyndonis your real name… Peter La Barbera?
‘Cuz I smell a sockpuppet with a combover.  

Free speech applies to EVERYONEYou want to say racist / sexist / bigoted / etc things? Sure. Freedom of speech.
And in response to you, everyone else has a right to call you a racist / sexist / bigot. Freedom of speech.
In response to your speech, everyone else has a right to complain. To boycott. Ostracise. Etc.
Your right to freedom of speech does not in anyway trump someone else’s.

Don’t tell me what to do

I have never been a target because of my sexuality, then again I never threw it people faces neither,like we are doing today.

I guess all of the heterosexuals I see walking down the street holding hands with and leaning upon their significant others all deserve a beat-down in your view for throwing their heterosexuality in my face?

we are now claiming that we need all this protection, which we know is a bunch of crap

As a part of “we” that has seen people beaten and had friends driven from their jobs by office harassment, I know the opposite. Don’t presume to speak for me.

WE JUST LOVE PLAYING THE VICTIM HERE LATELY… WE NEED TO GROW THE F-UP.

Grow up if you like. Live in your closet if you like. But don’t tell me what to do.
I second the sentiment that sickntired’s behavior here has been trollish.

RapeI think for you to suggest that this is just like “rape” is ridiculous. You trivialize the experience of people who have actually been raped. You should know better. Words are not rape.

Letterman joined in lastnight, BIG TIMEDisgusting.

We know that the need for more protection is a bunch of crap? WTF?!I like to think that we have actually proven that it isn’t. I think this blog specifically has shown how serious the need is and explained the aspects pretty well.
You’re just another liberturdian right-winger who thinks freedom should equal anarchy. You’re not for libertas, you’re advocating for licentia. The rights of people, however, must be bounded by the rights of others, otherwise the rights of the weaker people in society are worthless.
If you fear oppression, instead of having violent lunatics run free with their hate agenda, it may be a better approach to improve checks and balances, civil rights (they should be explicitly named in a new Bill of Rights, so that Italian-American justices can better understand them …) and the voting system (although really unlikely to achieve).

BINGO!We have to stop falling for these sockpuppeting trolls.
No real LGBT person would write:

Just when did we become so high and mighty, that we can’t take a simple damn joke…

This is yet another troll who has come here to be disruptive and create false controversy — likely the same troll using several false idenities.
The baristas here have to start getting smart about this weeding this stuff out rather than actually engaging these people as if they had anything legitimate to contribute.
Most of us here share the common experience of being ridiculed for either our sexuality, gender identity, or both. Reading this ignorant crap is hurtful.

I have never been a target because of my sexuality, then again I never threw it people faces neither,like we are doing today.

The pathology demonstrated by this statement is remarkable. These are the words of a closet case who victimizes us. These are the words of a creep with the camera who takes photos at fetish street fairs.
Why can’t you simply delete comments like this and tell the writers that they can’t post comments here unless they prove that they are real people?
Let’s give these trolls a common name:
The Thick Skin Troll
We keep seeing the thick skin troll over and over again. This is likely a Christian fundamentalist who wants to promote the opinion that LGBT people take ridicule far too seriously.
It is always the same strategy. The troll believes that identifying himself as a gay person, his opinion will carry more weight. He states that he’s never been a victim. No one he knows has ever been a victim.
The troll always generalizes — the use of the collective “we” in this case is a good example. Another is stating that someone “always” does something.
“Fritz always hates entertainment about gay people.”
That’s how the Thick Skin Troll attacked me recently. I was also told that I should have thick skin and that I can’t take a joke.
This has to stop.
I’ve given you a basic outline to help identify the Thick Skin Troll. Please start deleting his comments until he can prove that he’s a real person.

agreedWords are not rape…
Take care of the person and stop spinning the drama wheel, really.  I agree the joke was tasteless like many other things on SNL…but to call words rape is highly inappropriate.  If my rape had only been words…
As for the suicide watch bit, well…it is yet more drama to assume that SNL will be that which “pushes” her over the edge. Work to educate and help folks understand and dial down the drama, it is alot easier to draw people to common ground than to an extreme in thinking.

SNL in South Africa

I doubt very much where Caster Semenya lives she gets SNL.

Yeah, those South Africans don’t have TVs or those new-fangled satellite dishes. They all live in grass huts and marvel at the recent invention of fire.
Here’s an article from Cape Town that was published just today. The writer doesn’t seem to have to explain what SNL is or who is on the show.

Giggles at funny festival
2009-09-18 11:29
Duncan Alfreds
Cape Town – Capetonians are set to smile as the Nando’s Cape Town Comedy Festival festival hits town.
“This is my first visit to Cape Town and I’m having fun,” comedian Dean Edwards told News24.
Edwards hails from the US and said that there had been no time for sightseeing, but that he was making plans to have a party in the mother city.
He said he first knew he wanted to do comedy when he watched Eddie Murphy perform on TV in 1983.
“I ran to my parents and told them that’s what I wanted to do. They could see I was serious and Eddie (Murphy) wasn’t the kind of comic that made us look bad or messed around with drugs, anyway.
“And since then, I’ve been doing my thing, you know. I love doing stand-up because it’s more immediate. TV is cool, but it’s a process before you get a reaction, but with stand-up it’s there,” said Edwards.
Funny is funny
He is described as a “clean comic” because he doesn’t include profanity in his performances.
“You know, funny is funny and I’ve never had someone come up to me after a show and say: ‘You know that was a great show but it would have been funnier is you cursed some more.’”
Edwards appeared as a cast member of Saturday Night Live and developed several impressions, including Michael Jackson, Wayne Brady, Chris Tucker, Don Cheadle, Colin Powell, Serena Williams, Nipsey Russell, Grace Jones, Randy Jackson, Redman, Denzel Washington, and Billy Ocean.
He said that he also has a unique impression on US President Barack Obama.
“Obama isn’t more difficult than (former US President George W) Bush. It’s just that a lot of slants on Obama seem to be the same, but I want to go deeper than the jokes about the first black president in the White House, and so that’s why my stuff is different,” he said.
Edwards said he didn’t have to adapt his comedy for local audiences because of its “universal appeal”.
“My comedy is universal and I stay humble because it’s still a journey for me.”
Some of the comics performing at the festival include Michael Mittermeier, Simon Clayton, Kira Soltonavich as well as local artists Loyiso Gola and Kagiso Lediga. Making returns are popular Egyptian comic Ahmed Ahmed and show host Angelo Tsarouchas.
The Nando’s Cape Town Comedy Festival is on at the Baxter Theatre from September 13 to October 4; tickets are priced from R120 – R150, and are available from Computicket.
- News24
http://www.news24.com/Content/…

OMG …. that is too funny ……congrats …. I just pee’d in my pants …. how easy it is for you folks to fall into your own paranoia … who eyes ez … http://blog.ctnews.com/evans/a…

and your point is …..?
Is this really about “someone being suicidal” or yet another member of the T in LGBT being assailed verbally by someone ?
If she hadn’t been reported as “being suicidal” and SNL did this bit would you have brought this up as another afront to “the chosen ones” of LGBT ?
Of course you would. And that’s okay but let’s not take the position all this outrage is because she’s “on suicide watch”, how disingenuous Autumn.

Perhaps you should ask yourself…

how easy it is for you folks to fall into your own paranoia

I was actually referring to sickntired rather than you. I should have clarified in my reply to Miranda Writes.
But, what is it about you that inspires such “paranoia” in others?
I think I would want to know the answer to that question if I were in your position. I don’t think I’d “pee my pants” or laugh.  

It’s not about me Fritz …but as I have observed since reading PHB almost a year ago before “becoming a blender” and it’s not just in regards to transgender postings or issues, but can be any topic brought up by anyone including Pam.
This notion of “trolling” or in the “paranoia” form of spys infiltrating this wonderful website I just find plain amusing.
Just pretend I’m Harvey the rabbit, you can’t see me but you know I’m there … http://www.imdb.com/video/scre…

I don’t know why you think it is funnyIt is actually happening. I have seen numerous examples.
I think it is worse on other blogs. But, I can show you a specific example of Peter LaBarbera quoting a sockpuppeting troll on his website. I strongly suspect he wrote it himself to discredit the blogger.
If these people go undercover in gay bath houses and fetish street fairs, why is this such a stretch?

seriously?

did you have a problem with Eddie Murphy when he did the Buckwheat routines on SNL ?

What if, say, it was Michael Richards who did those routines in blackface?  Still funny?

How about actor/director Mel Brooks when he made fun of Catholics in his movie “History of the World”?

Yeah, that was so uncalled for.  Because Catholics are commonly persecuted and Catholic popes and other church leaders have always had Jews’ backs. [/snark]

Or as silly a comparsion, Geico making fun of Neanderthal men ?

Really?  You see no racist overtones in these ads?
You continue to ignore context, group membership, and power and oppression dynamics in your defense of humor.  How convenient.

Seriously?It’s is not okay to do tasteless (and I agree with you) “satire” of Ms Semenya, but making sport of a transman is just fine?
I suppose some would argue that because Mr Beattie put himself on the talk shows with his pregnanc(y)(ies) he left himself open for ridicule, but I would like to believe that we don’t have to agree with or approve of the result.
“Enough Nonsense” indeed.

Not surprisedLetterman and his flunky Paul Shaffer have used the word “Tranny” in their banter.
Dena  
 

I don’t feel trivialized in the least, thank you.The joke was not only tasteless, it was dehumanizing–just like rape is.

Im happy for you…still not a physical assault

So you’re admitting that your understanding of issues is still on a grade school level?  

And you ….ascertain that fact how Miss Crabtree (presuming you’re old enough to know who Miss Crabtree is … in case your don’t … http://bitchyoldqueen.blogspot… )?
Please share with us all your comprehensive check into my background.
Inquiring minds want to know.

LOL! Figure it out, Quiz KId.My comment is quite clearly a response to “sickntired,” not you.  Is the layout of this blog really too hard for you to grasp?

Oh good gravy, Lyndon.You didn’t just obtusely use the diversionary tactic of fallaciously changing the subject to discussing my alleged disingenuousness, did you?. And geez, don’t tell me you’ve begun engaging in the fallacious tactic of needling too, have you?
C’mon Lyndon, you are. You’re pretty well known, you’re capable of reasoning with people you disagree with without taking it to the ma’am, so to speak… Hey, you should be knowledgeable enough to know new media reporting/blogging is reporting with a visible agenda, and it’s not exactly a secret that I’ve referred to my visible agenda of playing a part to control the extent to which people can publicly manifest anti-gay — and by extension anti-trans and anti-intersex — sentiments, and have referred to that personal agenda item on more than one occasion.  
C’mon Lyndon, unless you’re a bit thick, you knew when you wrote your comment what my visible agenda is, or you very easily could have. And, I know you know I’m being sincere about my concern for a suicidal public figure…it’s behavior I engage in frequently. Heck, I quote Martin Luther King Jr. on love because I believe it:

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.

And too, you could and should know I try very hard to practice what I preach about civil discussion, civil behavior, and emphasizing the humanity of those who are othered in broader society.
C’mon Lyndon. In your latest comment you’ve unconstructively needled me and flamed me, and within the thread you’re engaging in pure, unadulterated trolling not just to me, but to others too. What the heck, sweets? What the heck?
Lyndon, you’re smart enough to know how to hold a conversation if you want to engage in an actual discussion — but, you don’t really want to engage in discussion, do you? You just seem to want to illicit an angry response from me and others in this thread.
Please, Lyndon. Do better — Don’t play flame the tomato with me, okay? Geez.
But in the meantime, don’t mind me if snarkily aim my troll spray at you…

…And in the meantime as well, I’m not going to bother to engage you any more in any thread in an attempt to engage in a reasonable discussion — That’s because my personal policy is to follow the internet rule Of Don’t feed the trolls. And if you stop acting like a troll, Lyndon, I’ll stop dismissing your viewpoints as coming from a troll.

THAT’S where it went!Couldn’t find the big can the other day and had to use the “trial sized” one…

Well now that the weekend is over …to play Devil’s Advocate, something I was taught by an excellent teacher (one of my favorites in high school) can not only bring spirted conversation to debates, but also spirited conversation to any variety of forum.
While today’s I-Net lingo calls this “trolling”, and this is indeed something that does amuse me and where that silly and juvenile term as well as many others for the I-Net come from doesn’t matter, nonetheless it is good to stimulate conversation.
And what fault can be found in stimulating dialog. Whether myself or someone else, it can be beneficial to have an “opposing target” to bring out comments from readers who may otherwise sit on the sidelines and not participate, either on one-side or the other.
Here’s how I really feel in regards to SNL, as you originally wrote, not in so many words, it wasn’t just satire, it was a poorly timed example of the ignorance of many who will make fun of sometimes the most vunerable of people from the fat kid in school to this young woman.
It is yet another form of bullying, put out on a national scale by a major broadcast network.
Yes, satire can be fun and wonderful, but one must know where to draw the line, something the writers of SNL just don’t get when it comes to the LGBT community.
To laugh at one of us, laughs at all of us, to make fun of one segment of community, makes fun of the whole.
This is something most likely they, and others will never get.
But we (the collective) as has been proven any number of times here on PHB have a power, the power of complaint.
For those, and from the strong response brought out over the past couple of days, the many who feel this is an outrage, and justly deserved, should contact NBC and protest.
Of course I can’t speak to the “other” individual which Fritz remarked about, whether he/she is real or a plant, and of course as Fritz has written, it has been known for plants and “trolls” as opposed to Devil’s Advocate, to come on board to do nothing more than disrupt and take over a topic.
But with all that being said, it is good to see the response and defense of this young woman who has, and will continue to be thrust into the spotlight through no fault of her own.
It is indeed important for Autumn and others, to highlight these misdeeds towards transgenders, which, for the most part would not even be brought up elsewhere on the I-Net, except perhaps on blogs written by transgenders.
“Good gravy”, I like that, I shall have to use it sometime.
My job is done here, excellent dialog by all.
PS: Which I-Net God came up with, in addition to the “words”, all these silly rules anyway ?
Glad I never went to Computer 101 Etiquette Class, the teacher mostly would have jumped out the window after I finished with ‘em.

wweeefirst off, one wasn’t honest about who she was, the other knew before hand what would happen if he came out, and other was a tragedy, Yes I have need be a victim..
Hate and Bigotry has been around since day one of our lives (humans)
Yes lets count all the ways we discriminate within our community,, how much time do have on this one..  

so truejust because you are the way you are , you don’t speak for all others as well
calling a me a troll, wow,, calling names from a person who hate being call names. wow

you smell your selfplease do a search and get back with me

wrongI have been out, well outed by my sister since I was 19, just because i don’t agree with the leaders of our community calling us victims all the time doesn’t mean that I a troll, the only true reason why we want marriage so bad is for the tax breaks,,, its all about the money$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$