They hurt my sperm’s feelingsNow they are refusing to ever swim near an egg…well I hope your happy Personhood Florida.

We need a NATIONAL human egg registryEvery month each woman in childbearing age will need to account for her egg, and what becomes of it. You carelessly sluff off more than four eggs per, year and your name goes on the negligent egg abuser list.

bottom line of all thisAnti Choice folks detest the morning after pill, which means millions of women with a simple prescription never have to walk past their sad little anti choice men standing outside a woman’s  clinic.
It’s taken all the fun out of being dangerously judgemental.

So what happens to women who have oopherectomies?

abstinence = civil disobediencewe need more white babies…..stst

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I hope this passes – seriouslyI’m a pro-choice gay man, but I really do hope this thing passes.  I’ve said for years that straight people need to get hurt in order to realize how much damage the religious right does in the name of Jesus.
The more straight people lose their medical benefits, protection from abusers and get taxed for things they take for granted because of marriage and other sorts of amendments designed to hurt gay people the better.

the freedom of speech....is a beautiful thing.  it makes it so much easier to know who to look out for.  if folks had to be ‘down low’ with their hate, it wouldn’t be so obvious who a person needs to be aware of.  i swear, in the future, a republican/conservative/fundie is going to be a diagnosable personality disorder in the dsm.  

Stupid policy, but reasonably consistent.Hormonal contraception has the capability to prevent the implantation of a fertilized egg (defined as human for their purposes).
Condoms do not.

We should all remember…

That was once directly stated.I think it was about RU 486, but I recall a statement that it was wrong because women could then do it in the privacy and comfort of their own homes instead of having to go to the clinics.

Incorrect statementThere is no evidence whatsoever that hormonal contraception can or does prevent the implantation of fertilized eggs.  A negative cannot be proven, and since it cannot be proven that hormonal contraceptives do not EVER prevent implantation, they wish to ban them just in case there MIGHT be rare cases where it MIGHT happen.  Their ignorance of both medicine and reproductive science is almost as great as their ignorance of constitutional rights.

God’s FaultSo what happens if a woman spontaneously aborts? Put a warrant out for (their)god?

Don’t these People Read the Bible?`Leviticus 17:11 – “For the life of the flesh is in the blood”
Human embryos are not infused with blood until week 4-5. Therefore by biblical definition life has not begun and thus birth control, emergency contraception, etc. are all OK with God.
And if they say God didn’t mean it that way, then why are 25% of embryos miscarried by week 6 without the mother even being aware of it?

Yes, and ban divorce also -nt

Find links between this group and NOMand we are home, we can tie the who panoply of right wing desires and wishes into a bow which will terrify most Americans

outlaw all abortions, even in cases of rape and incestI keep repeating, this is at least a morally consistent position.  If you think a fetus is a person, it shouldn’t matter what the circumstances of conception are.
Unless people want to start arguing that it is okay to kill Ann Coulter if we learn that she is the result of rape or incest, we should drop discussions of pregnancy circumstance.
At least for early stages of pregnancy, the government should be out of the business of controlling a woman’s body.  Totally, not just for politically popular exceptions.  

Elsewhere in the Tanakh,isn’t there some indication that a fetus is not to be considered a human life until the third trimester?  I’m going by my memory of something my stepbrother (who was, IIRC, toying with the idea of becoming a rabbi) mentioned years ago, so I might be wrong…

I think while they are at itthey should ban masturbation before marriage with penalty of prison. Can’t waste all that sacred seed. No worries about married guys, though. They give up that sort of thing (or so they say) when they get hitched.
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I think it’s the idea of “quickening”..i.e. movement you can feel – so yeah, typically anywhere from the 5th to 6th month gestation.

And these nutjobs are worried aboutthe “thought police”?  What idiots.

Birth, and breath!!!The SCOTUS, in Roe v. Wade started with the english common law concept, which is biblically based, that one does not become a human being until being born and taking at least one breath.  Without having taken a breath, the soul has not entered the body, and the fetus is stillborn.  One does not have a funeral for a stillbirth, but one is appropriate on the basis of the one-breath test.
The laws of inheritance require the birth-and-breath rule as well.
In Roe, the Court went as far as it could, by extending the possibility of the state exercising an interest in the fetus during the third trimester, from the point where the fetus acquires the capacity to breathe outside the womb.  The Court chose specifically to not extend personhood rights until birth and breath – too much law in other areas would be radically changed by extending a legal recognition of personhood to any pre-birth state.
There are many biblical references that associate life with the breath of God – starting with God breathing life into Adam.  In addition, biblically, death occurs when one breathes one’s last breath.
No one really has a valid claim to Judaeo/Christianity if they believe that the soul is infused before birth.
The house is not complete until it gets a certificate of occupancy – the blueprint is not the house; the foundation is not the house; the frame is not the house; the enclosure and utilities are not the house; even on completion, the issuance of the certificate of occupancy makes it a house (or in areas where there isn’t a governmental certifiation, it’s not a house until people actually move in).
On the other hand, human life is also a continuum – the egg that ultimately supplied half my nuclear genetic blueprint and all of my mitochondrial blueprint was formed in the late 1920′s even before my own mother was born – while the sperm was not generated until perhaps a day or a week before it made its journey to meet the egg.  It is one thing to respect the human life developmental process, and quite another to demand that the legal rights of a human being be accorded to a fertilized egg – the latter is so absurd a concept that it can only be held by people who have absolutely no concept of the changes their belief-system would impose on society – among them the virtual reproductive enslavement of women.
Actually, that latter idea is fairly obviously their insidious and anti-Christian goal. (And yes, the Roman Catholic hierarchy and all those Opus Dei Christianist zealots in their self-mortifying hair shirts are clearly anti-Christian!)

That was my first thought, too. n/t

The woman is to blame, obviouslyGod can do no wrong, so if evil occurs, it must be because of deliberate human action. QED.

Knew they’d eventually go that far …But don’t know what else to say …
Their logic doesn’t compute …
Crash.

agreed.I think we should join the campaign to get this on the ballot.
Number one, it will never happen.
Number two, we need to do just what you said . wake these fockers up.

Well, I wouldn’t push for itIt seems that the Christianist right wingnut agenda is not only misfocused entirely on banishing LGBT people to the shadows, and eventually hunting us down and stoning us to death, but also on enslaving women to be reproductive automatons that also provide cooking and cleaning services for the men who enslave them.
The ultimate goal for those who claim their role is to protect (one-man/one-woman) marriage is to return to “traditional marriage.”  Their agenda should look more like this:
- allow for a new class of civil marriage, the “covenant marriage,” that cannot be dissolved by divorce or annulment
- provide that if a couple is married under a religious auspice, a divorce must be granted by the religious authorities of the religion that solemnized the marriage prior to the obtaining of a civil divorce
- eliminate the requirement of child support for children born outside a marriage relationship, unless the father of the child voluntarily affiliates; children not affiliated with a father to be raised in government creches and women who have such a child to be sterilized as unfit to bear children
- repeal laws and overturn court decisions relating to a husband’s right to discipline an unruly wife, with the only limitation being a return to the rule of thumb, so that the stick he uses to beat her (or any disobedient children) cannot be greater in circumference than the circumference of his thumb
- repeal laws and overturn court decisions that criminalize marital rape;
- repeal civil rights as they relate to women, including the various “Married Women’s Property Acts”
- married women to be legally incapable of entering into a contract or obtaining a prescription without their husband’s permission in writing
- women to be barred from driving automobiles or working outside the home
- women to be required to wear modest clothing and head coverings in public, and not to appear in public without her husband or a male family member in escort, so as to not cause the stirrings of lust in men
- the return of the ancient Roman republican legal rule of patria potestas, putting the power of life and death into the father of the family, over his wife, his sons and his unmarried daughters (married daughters falling under the rule of their husbands) – under which, for example, wives who are discovered to be secretly engaging in birth control practices can be executed by their husbands, freeing them to find a more obedient wife
Once women are thoroughly in the thrall of their husbands (or fathers if they are unmarried, brothers or other nearest male relatives if their fathers are dead), and sons and unmarried daughters firmly under the control of their fathers, then the stability of society can be assured.  The last item on this agenda, the law of patria potestas, would make it easier for a father to eliminate from society any son who shows the disgrace of effeminate behavior.  The father who killed his 2 year old son bcause the father believed the son was going to turn out gay would have been held up as a hero preserving the purity of the American People.
And as we turn to purity, of course we can’t forget that their agenda would include the return of the anti-miscegenation laws – from their POV, the races must be kept pure, after all, to keep America strong.  To avoid any further race mixing, all mixed race individuals with up to a single great-grandparent of a different race to submit themselves to sterilization so that further mongrelization of the races will be eliminated.  National identity cards would contain complete racial information.
Perhaps their agenda would be to make president Obama and his daughters the first examples of such a law. He would be impeached for the high crime and misdemeanor of being married to a pure-blood woman. His marriage to his wife would be retroactively voided, and the sterilized children would be sent to a creche for their proper education for the menial tasks that would be available to them. (Unlike the old anti-miscegenation laws, the new ones would avoid the stigma of solely mainting white purity – the purity of all races would be enforced, thus conforming to equal protection concerns.)
I wonder what else might be in their real agenda?  Certainly banning condoms, stoning adulterers (adultery probably wouldn’t include men having relations with sterilized servants) and LGBT people.  Eugenic sterilizations might be the next step.
They start out with a reductio ad absurdem, why not continue with more of the same?

They’d have to reduce the marriage age . . .to 14 for boys and 12 for girls.  Wait a minute, isn’t that the way it is in Tennessee?

Hmmm1. Their marriages end, to free the husband to find a suitable fertile wife, but
2. If the surgery was medically necessary and the eggs conserved, perhaps something could be done, except with Catholics.
Corollary: the same thing happens at menopause – husbands should be required to take a new fertile wife when the first one becomes menopausal.  Menopause would become synonymous for the word “death” as used in “until death do us part.”
Menopausal women would get to live in special convents where they get to take care of all the children born out of wedlock who have been taken away from their mothers. They could also run charter schools for other children.

It why I left the south. The tinfoil hat crowd has just gotten to many and way too wingnutty for me.

they’re safeit’s the women who would normally lose the “sofa” but not the “end tables” that would be forced to have a total hysterectomy to ensure they could not release an ova that could get fertilized without having a nice, cushy uterus to call home.
This is all about the ongoing effort to redefine female controlled contraceptive measures as abortion and is no longer limited to the fringe of the anti-abortion movement.

true for Plan Bbut prolonged use of routine hormonal contraception can (and often does) lead to a thinner endometrial lining, this is why women using hormonal contraceptives often have much lighter periods.  Theoretically, this less plush endometrial lining may be a little less easy for a zygote to get a grip on and that is the basis for the wingnut redefinition of hormonal contraception as an abortifacient.  Ironically, this is also the mechanism that is used to assist women with endometriosis to get pregnant and, even with the thinner lining, a zygote can still implant securely into women using hormonal contraception leading to an actual pregnancy.

and even with thisit’s not considered a human being until live birth.  During pregnancy, the mother’s life always comes first.

Me too,  I will never get how the ‘I want government out of people’s lives’ crowd keep insisting on ruling over people’s lives.
 The truly sad part is, Florida’s Environment is being destroyed by these same greedy wing-nut-jobs, who also claim to be protectors of God’s earth.

My fondest desires and wishesI wish that the sponsors of this idiotic proposal all have your teenage daughters who get pregnant or get serious STD’s because of their stance on contraceptives.
And for those who oppose embryonic stem cell research, I wish glioblastoma multiforme, Alzheimers, Parkinsons, Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS), and all the other CNS diseases that could potentially be cured through ECR.
Then I want to visit them and point at them and say “You did this to yourself. You could have been cured but you said a blastocyst that cannot develop outside the womb was a person and so you die.”

Used to be that wayin Mississippi, and in my lifetime.

If these folks have science I haven’t seen yetOf growing a zygote outside a woman’s body to the ability of the fetus being viable, or have thousands of stand-by women willing to have any unwanted zygote implanted into their bodies.
Then they really don’t have a way of forcing the pregnant woman to do anything against her will.