Sirius-XM OutQ host Michelangelo Signorile was on CNN last night debating the actions of President Obama versus his promises on LGBT policy, focusing on DOMA. Opposite Mike was the Log Cabin Republicans’ Charles Moran.
LEMON: Is President Obama living up to his campaign promise to be a fierce advocate for gays and lesbians? Gay activists think Mr. Obama is backtracking on promises both on the campaign trail and in the White House. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I think that it is no secret that I am a fierce advocate for equality for gay and lesbian Americans. It is something that I have been consistent on, and something that I intend to continue to be consistent on during my presidency.
We must continue to do our part to make progress, step by step, law by law, mind by changing mind. And I want you to know that in this task I will not only be your friend, I will continue to be an ally and a champion, and a president who fights with you and for you.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
LEMON: But the Justice Department is fighting a lawsuit that challenges the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act. Well, some say that adds hypocrisy.
Joining us is Sirius-XM host, Michelangelo Signorile, an author. He’s in New York; and from New York, Charles Moran, spokesman for the Log Cabin Republicans.
Thank you very much, both of you.
You heard a couple of times, the president and once-candidate Obama says I’m a fierce advocate for gay rights.
Has that so far, do you feel, it’s been the case, Charles?
CHARLES MORAN, SPOKESMAN, LOG CABIN REPUBLICAN SPOKESMAN: Well, the issue of being an advocate means you actually have to do something. And unfortunately all we’ve seen from the White House in the Obama administration is more rhetoric and not a lot of action. In fact, the most we’ve gotten is a little bit of a circuit party with a Madonna remix in the East Room of the White House. And unfortunately that just doesn’t cut it. [WTF, lol?]
LEMON: OK, that’s an interesting way to put it.
And listen, I’m looking at the filings here. It says, “The administration says it supports the repeal of the law.” But in the same filing, “The Justice Department will defend the statute in that case, because a reasonable argument can be made that the law is constitutional,” Michelangelo?
MICHELANGELO SIGNORILE, SIRIUS XM RADIO HOST: Look, the president has spoken very, very supportively of rights for gay and lesbian Americans. He has certainly showed a passion in the past, much more than Republicans. What he has lacked since taking office is courage. Courage to really move forward, move forward on repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, move forward on repeal of DOMA.
And he can do things right now even before repealing, he can stop the discharges under federal law of those people being discharged under Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. He can also decide not to fight the Defensive Marriage, not to fight the challenge. He can actually — there’s nothing in the Constitution that says you have to defend current law. George H.W. Bush actually did not defend current law when he was president, because he didn’t believe in it, and his Justice Department made the argument that they weren’t going to defend it. And the lawyer making the argument in the Justice Department was John Roberts, who is now the Supreme Court justice.
MORAN: You know, Michelangelo, I want to follow-up with you.Log Cabin Republicans is the only organization right now that has a federal lawsuit filed against the Justice Department to block the — to turn over Don’t Ask Don’t Tell on constitutional — on an unconstitutional basis. We’re calling on behalf of the Obama administration to instruct the Justice Department not to fight this law.
LEMON: Charles and Mike, this maybe the one area where conservatives and liberals might actually work together, because it seems that you two agree in tandem on this issue.
You mentioned something, Michael, you mentioned the former administration. And there’s a bit of irony in that the former vice president supports gay marriage, and he has left President Obama’s stance on gay marriage.
SIGNORILE: Yeah, absolutely. Dick Cheney has come out now in favor of marriage, equality. Of course, he didn’t do that very specifically when he was vice president. He didn’t have the courage himself at that time. Now that he’s out of office, he has a lesbian daughter, he’s speaking out.
Ted Olson, who was George Bush’s solicitor general, is now arguing before the federal courts that Proposition 8 in California should be overturned, that gays and lesbians should be allowed to marry.
LEMON: Charles, then, why then do you think that the gay community feels that the president is not doing as much as they should? Why do you think he’s not doing what he promised on the campaign trail?
MORAN: There is so much double speak coming out of the White House. And this is the problem. We have seen evidence where Rahm Emanuel’s office has instructed their allies and the Congress to hold off on the introduction of legislation that would repeal DOMA and Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. They are looking for political cover and they’re doing it at the expense of the gay and lesbian community. That’s awful, given the fact that 70 percent of gays and lesbians voted for President Obama on the issue of change.
In some cases, you can argue that we sacrificed Proposition 8 out in California for the election of President Obama, and this is what we get, is putting on the brakes, not really taking any action where, you know, action is due.
LEMON: Charles, I want to let Michelangelo get in this. Mike, I’ll give you the last word. We’re out of time.
SIGNORILE: I agree with Charles completely on what’s happening around Barack Obama. The big difference, from the campaign to now, are the people around Barack Obama who are making him move very cautiously on a variety of issues where he needs to forge ahead and be the man with passion who spoke so fervently about these issues during the campaign.
LEMON: Political insiders say the issues you’re talking about, especially when it comes to gay rights, that those are second-term issues. They want to make sure he gets a second term, and then he will do that. In the meantime, a lot of people are waiting for him to overturn or do some things when it comes to the campaign, the promises he made.
Thank you, Charles Moran.
MORAN: Thank you.
LEMON: Thank you, Michelangelo Signorile. We appreciate it.



SIGNORILE: Yeah, absolutely. Dick Cheney has come out now in favor of marriage, equality. Of course, he didn’t do that very specifically when he was vice president. He didn’t have the courage himself at that time. Now that he’s out of office, he has a lesbian daughter, he’s speaking out.
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Why are we talking about DOMA but not ENDA?I enjoyed reading this, but really, now, DOMA repeal legislation is in the future, and not the near future. On the other hand, ENDA legislation is in process now, and likely to be voted on next month. Why are we hearing about DOMA and DADT? It’s like being in the desert with no water and endlessly talking about what we could have for dinner next Saturday night.
that’s a good questionAnd it should be posed to Don Lemon, who set the topic.
Its all about Obama bashing…That’s why we are talking about it at all. Damn CNN and their just pretending objectivity and did the log cabin republicans just jump up and lay claim to the “only” lawsuit currently challenging DOMA? Oh my word.
I mean granted I have been on the administrations ass as much as anyone since the last snaffu and that original idiot response from the DOJ, but family is family to me and outsiders just need to be outside. Granted I would start changing some staff members around in the White house because these idiots don’t seem to know the difference between planning and prognostication, but this three men throwing out the bathwater and the baby it some BS.
Not happy with the administration is one thing but dissing the Presidency and dragging it down as if the man is on the 4th year of his presidency instead of his first is majorly sad. But I love the way Lemon’s little homophobic ass throws on his glasses and tries to look more intellectual and less cute! That was funny! But not as funny as the log cabin boys trying to claim they “sacrificed” prop 8 to get Obama elected?!? We spent more money on losing prop 8 than any other bill in US history and he wants to call it a “sacrifice”. The dumb ass is just as out of touch now as he was when he thought his candidate for president could win.
The irony! It burns!I happen to agree that Obama is all talk and no action on equality. But to have Moran (bite tongue) and the LCR condemn Obama for not doing anything….
I would dearly have wanted to see the question, “How does President Obama and the Democratic Party compare with George W. Bush and the GOP with regards to gay rights?”
I thought the sacrificing Prop 8 comment was weird too, but….I was wondering if you could tell me why you call Don Lemon homophobic. Has he said something in the past or was it just his tone in this clip?
IndeedMy Gaydar was pinging like a Five Alarm Fire.
Also Cheney is “to the left” of nothingHe says the matter should be lef to the states — knwoing full weel that only an across the board repeal of DOMA will make full quality possible.
Well for me its an overall consitency to rush through gay newsHe either shows a reticence to present any story having to do with homosexuality with the same apologetic aplomb of a first year journalistic student trying to report on animal sex, or he gets unabashedly nervous and inconsistent with his questioning to reflect that he doesn’t want to appear that he even thinks about “gay stuff”. And yes he does set off the gaydar a bit but not because i think he is gay, but because he knows a lot more about being gay than he wants to appear to know, I.e. afraid of what others might think of him.
I didn’t find the “sacrificing Prop 8″ theory weird at allGetting Obama elected was deemed more important than maintaining a proper campaign to maintain gay matrriage in California. Obama was allowed to do the split screen campaign (opposed to gay marriage/opposed to Prop
but provided far more soundbites to the Yes On 8 side…etc.
Agreed,You know, no one even suggested the concept of leaving gay marriage to the states until the DAY AFTER they signed DOMA into law. I am still pissed about that little twist.
Well, the LCR did endorse McCain/Palinwith Palin out there talking about FMA. The LCR’s have no credibility nor any grounds to criticize the Obama Administration.
ooopsI didn’t know Lemon was in the closet.
With respect, Dr.,
The subject of the discussion was NOT the existing timeline of bills but the difference between what Obama promised he would do and what he is doing or not doing.[see recap below] And that remains a valid discussion both in terms of his credibility and practicality. E.g., Senate Armed Services Committee Chair Carl Levin, who has long supported DADT repeal, has said that it WILL NOT HAPPEN unless Obama takes an active role in making it happen. And, to further your analogy, as Signorile pointed out, and you curiously ignore, Obama could legally quench our thirst for ending discharges IMMEDIATELY with the stroke of a pen.
STILL WAITING…unless you consider a limp press release and a smile-and-run photo op with Judy Shepard placing “the weight of [his] administration behind” the bill.
STILL WAITING.
STILL WAITING.
Except for that little ole RAGINGLY homophobic court brief DEFENDING DOMA and its recent supplement planting a few roses in 40 acres of bullshit.
Except for that little ole RAGINGLY homophobic court brief DEFENDING DADT…
and continuing to discharge gays day after day – 368 since he was sworn in…and counting …
and, again, refusing to use his legal authority to freeze discharges NOW.
Yes, Dr., there’s a desert alright. And it exists between what Candidate Obama promised and what President Obama delivered.
Amen, Brother!
And too many people who were old enough to know better repeated the EXACT same mistake they did with Clinton in 1992: wetting themselves over the idea of a knight in shining promises who would immediately slay all the homohating dragons so they didn’t need to worry [versus the youngins who can be forgiven a bit for their first time naivete].
Nonsense
If just HALF the people who pontificate about federal DOMA actually knew what they were talking about we’d be a hell of a lot better off.
1. Federal DOMA does NOT prevent any state from legalizing marriage equality. In turn, repealing DOMA will not legalize marriage equality in any state.
2. It merely, and reduntantly to pre-existing legal practice, says one state does not have to recognize in that state same gender marriages from other states.
3. However, because it bans recognition by any federal agency, such as the IRS, of any same gender marriage from any state, it must be repealed [and other legislation passed to activate such recognition and federal benefits].
This is the silliness in the “forget Washington; we are making equality happen in the states” meme. Marriage equality WITHIN the states is progress, but without federal recognition they fall fall short of full equality.
Off topic a bit……but does Don Lemon ring anyone else’s gaydar?
Mine too……he really creeps my husband out. My husband, whose gaydar is ineffective in general, thinks that Lemon is deeply closeted and further that he’s one of the self-loathing types. I don’t get that from Lemon, but I’m not the news junkie my husband is.
Oh, yes……how about that lavender tie???