UPDATE: The full transcript of Lane Hudson’s questions to Bill Clinton and the former President’s response is below, courtesy of Rex Wockner.
How’s that for a juxtaposition, lol. I’m about to hit the sack, but I wanted to give you an update on Netroots Nation tidbits…
Former President Bill Clinton spoke tonight (Autumn, Kate and I skipped it to grab a bite to eat with Joe Sudbay of Americablog and Jed Lewison of Daily Kos) and there was some news made and a bit of chaos. We went to the Warhol Museum; it is a must-see if you come to Pittsburgh. There were a ton of people there. Mike Rogers helped organize the event. I managed to touch base with fellow North Carolinian, friend of the Netroots and recent town hall teabagger “victim” Rep. Brad Miller to see how well he faired the crazies who made it hard for people who really care about health care without being distracted by these concerned plants citizens.
But the real news occurred back at the convention center; Autumn, Kate and I were dog tired after a long day with little sleep, so we were leaving the Warhol just as Mike Signorile, Lane Hudson and Donald Hitchcock were arriving. Apparently Lane caused a scene at the Clinton speech by standing up and asking him whether he supported repeal of DADT and DOMA. Surprisingly he was frank and said he did, only after he mistakenly thought Lane was a rabble rousing teabagger type (WTF — they aren’t on our side, lol). Ah, Lane just sent me the link, so you can take a look (he’s still waiting to see if the part about DOMA will turn up on video):
Transcript:
Lane Hudson (screaming from the audience): Mr. President, will you call for a repeal of DOMA and Don’t Ask Don’t Tell right now? Please.Bill Clinton: … You want to talk about Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, I’ll tell you exactly what happened. You couldn’t deliver me any support in the Congress and they voted by a veto-proof majority in both houses against my attempt to let gays serve in the military, and the media supported them. They raised all kinds of devilment. And all most of you did was to attack me instead of getting me some support in the Congress. Now that’s the truth.
Secondly — it’s true! You know, you may have noticed that presidents aren’t dictators. They voted — they were about to vote for the old policy by margins exceeding 80 percent in the House and exceeding 70 percent in the Senate. The gave test votes out there to send me a message that they were going to reverse any attempt I made by executive order to force them to accept gays in the military. And let me remind you that the public opinion now is more strongly in our favor than it was 16 years ago, and I have continued supporting it. That John Shalikashvili, who was chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under me, was against Don’t Ask — was against letting gays serve — is now in favor of it. This is a different world. That’s the point I’m trying to make.
Let me also say something that never got sufficient publicity at the time: When General Colin Powell came up with this Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, it was defined while he was chairman much differently than it was implemented. He said: ‘If you will accept this, here’s what we’ll do. We will not pursue anyone. Any military members out of uniform will be free to march in gay rights parades, go to gay bars, go to political meetings. Whatever mailings they get, whatever they do in their private lives, none of this will be a basis for dismissal.’ It all turned out to be a fraud because of the enormous reaction against it among the middle-level officers and down after it was promulgated and Colin was gone. So nobody regrets how this was implemented any more than I do. But the Congress also put that into law by a veto-proof majority, and many of your friends voted for that, believing the explanation about how it would be eliminated. So, I hated what happened. I regret it. But I didn’t have, I didn’t think at the time, any choice if I wanted any progress to be made at all. Look, I think it’s ridiculous. Can you believe they spent — whatever they spent — $150,000 to get rid of a valued Arabic speaker recently?
And, you know, the thing that changed me forever on Don’t Ask Don’t Tell was when I learned that 130 gay service people were allowed to serve and risk their lives in the first Gulf War, and all their commanders knew they were gay; they let them go out there and risk their lives because they needed them, and then as soon as the first Gulf War was over, they kicked them out. That’s all I needed to know, that’s all anybody needs to know, to know that this policy should be changed.
Now, while we’re at it, let me just say one thing about DOMA, since you — the reason I signed DOMA was — and I said when I signed it — that I thought the question of whether gays should marry should be left up to states and to religious organizations, and if any church or other religious body wanted to recognize gay marriage, they ought to. We were attempting at the time, in a very reactionary Congress, to head off an attempt to send a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage to the states. And if you look at the 11 referenda much later — in 2004, in the election — which the Republicans put on the ballot to try to get the base vote for President Bush up, I think it’s obvious that something had to be done to try to keep the Republican Congress from presenting that. The President doesn’t even get to veto that. The Congress can refer constitutional amendments to the states. I didn’t like signing DOMA and I certainly didn’t like the constraints that were put on benefits, and I’ve done everything I could — and I am proud to say that the State Department was the first federal department to restore benefits to gay partners in the Obama administration, and I think we are going forward in the right direction now for federal employees. …
But, actually, all these things illustrate the point I’m trying to make. America has rapidly moved to a different place on a lot of these issues, and so what we have to decide is what we are going to do about it. Right now, the Republicans are sitting around rooting for the president to fail, as nearly as I can see.
At times fiery with his familiar finger-pointing repeatedly jabbing the air, former President Bill Clinton implored an audience of bloggers and activists tonight not to lose out on a moment that he said he had worked all his life for.It was as though this was his time, too, not just that of President Obama. The former president revisited several pieces of his legacy, drawing comparisons between his battle for health care overhaul to the fight occurring now and even angrily defending the compromise that became “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” for the military when a protester in the audience shouted at him. He even drew on Americorps and student loans to bridge the time between his administration and that of Mr. Obama.
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But backing up a bit, before Clinton spoke there was a cocktail party in the convention center in what can only be described as a noise-intensive “radio row.” That’s where Ron Reagan was broadcasting his Air America show. Megan Carpentier, one of the behind-the-scenes people at Air America came up to me during an earlier panel and asked if I do a segment with Ron Reagan about LGBT issues later in the day. Of course I was surprised that I was a first pick for this, considering the many great peeps in attendance. Anyway, I said sure, and showed up early since it was hard to find the radio row.
So I’m standing around chatting and all of a sudden his producer comes up and says that I was going to go on right now because the slotted guest was late. YIPES. So before I knew it, I was in the hot seat with the headphones on and doing the interview with Ron, who is a really nice guy who works well in this challenging environment with a wide variety of guests who are here at Netroots Nation.
It was a fun interview (radio is infinitely easier than doing TV) we talked about Prop 8 repeal, the Maine ballot initiative, allly support, and minority outreach.

We fit a lot into about 10 minutes. His folks said they’d get me the audio soon, so I’ll be able to share it with you.





19 Comments


Your schedule sounds exhaustingI read about Clinton story at HuffPo, nice to see you have footage, and I’ll be looking forward to the Ron Reagan interview.
Really Bill?You were scared of the big, bad, veto-proof, NON-BINDING resolution majority?
Hey Bill, it’s called a BACKBONE.
And besides, you know people vote more loosely on non-binding bills.
I think Bill had some valid argumentsI also think he is full of crap. Him and Colon P. Frankly if you want to show me that you regretted what happened then show me the organization you helped form to support the men and women who where cast out of the service. No? Then how about the legislation or non-profit organizations you have signed on to help repeal the law. Oh none of that either? Maybe a stump speech or two that goes beyond you trying to rewrite what is fast becoming your legacy of betrayal to the entire LGBT community as the one president who did more to set back LGBT rights than anyone in history?
Hmmmn, so tell me again how much you care about your the people you have affected by your legacy who presently are not only dealing with it but are expending a great deal of resources, heartache and pain to simply get back to the point we where at before your presidency?
Seriously Bill….
Teabagger?I just watched footage of the whole exchange. He didn’t think he was a teabagger…he said he’d fit in nicely at a healthcare reform town hall the way he yelled out.
I’m just curious…Were you around at the time? Like voting age and interested in politics? I only ask because at the time this issue was pretty huge and support was low while anger was high. It wasn’t like it is right now.
Politicians had a lot to be worried about…especially with healthcare reform coming up back then.
Hmmm…this all seems very familiar….
Funnythe clip I saw on MSM this morning showed Hillary in her role as Sec of State, while Bill was (implied) playing in Las Vegas. No mention of this at ALL.
“Hands up” if anyone is surprised by the media’s coverage of the Clintons’ activities… yeah me neither.
Thank gawds for the blogosphere!
It’s Easy to Take a Stand When You Have Nothing to LoseIf Clinton wants to be more than a pretty speech, he can use his still considerable influence on the Hill to influence a Congress member(s) to get bills to President Obama to sign repealing both DADT and DOMA.
Otherwise, he can go play golf.
here’s the part left outat the beginning; that “…”
Hey, you know, you ought to go to one of those congressional health care meetings. You did really well there. I’ll be glad to talk about that. If you will… If you will sit down and let me talk, I’ll be glad to discuss it. But if you stand up and scream I won’t be able to talk. But the other guys would love to have ya. I wanna talk a little about that too.
But anyway, so, here we are in a different world. Now, it’s not like the 1990′s.
And now you know why Hillary lost the primaries…Her husband was-and is-a coward. He was too scared of the Christian Nazis to ever stand behind his words. Hillary would have been the same.
Bill always cared more about Bill than anything elseHe also used Sister Solijah moments with more than just Black people. Maybe it was to impress Independants and moderate republicans on other issues, if he kicked us publicly now and again. Bill also was never liberal, always centrist, and liberals did with him as many do with Obama, write their own liberal narrative on a blank slate, or maybe Bill was just the best game in town, compared to republicans.
It’s interesting … … the comments on Towleroad are very different from the comments here. Most of the folks at Towleroad are very supportive of Bill, which pleasantly surprised me.
No one likes it when a former President wags his finger in your face and tells you that you didn’t do your job. But is it possible that Bill’s right on this one?
It’s not enough to ask our allies in power for our equality really nicely and leave it to them to do the right thing. Should they do the right thing, regardless? Well, obviously, that would be lovely – but it ignores the reality that our enemies are very powerful, and usually much better organized than we are. The LGBT Equality movement seems to think that just because we have truth on our side that the universe should just magically bend in our direction.
And when those who want to do the right thing by us (Bill, Barack, etc.), but find that the enemies of equality are poised and ready to kill any progress they might make, what do we do? Do we move the levers of power at our disposal? Some of us try, and are usually decried as apologists; the rest of us tend to find our favorite blogs and whine about how “we’ve been thrown under the bus” yet again.
I realize that we worked really hard to get Bill elected in ’92, and we worked really hard to get Barack elected in 2008. What I don’t think many of us realize is that the job isn’t over on Election Night – that’s just the first battle in a very long war. And it does us no good to work our asses off to get allies elected only to throw THEM under the bus when political realities turn out to be, well, real.
I fully expect to be flamed for this comment; I usually am when I speak up in favor of imperfect straight allies. But I’m glad that Bill said what he said, I’m glad that he got a fair amount of applause for saying so, and I hope that some people in the LGBT community will heed his words and not repeat our mistakes with the Obama administration, before the pendulum takes another swing in the conservative direction and we lose our chance for another eight or twelve years.
“(screaming from the audience)” — really??I watched the video. I don’t think “screaming” is a fair characterization, and I think Pam should modify that. Yelling, maybe. But “screaming” has a homophobic ring that Pam likely did not intend, but which shines through.
No, he was scared…That the test votes indicated clear support for no gays in the military at all. DADT was a compromise, because there was overwhelming opposition to allowing gays to serve openly.
So Bill’s display of BACKBONE would have looked very great–righteous indignation usually plays well–but would have been terrible for gays and lesbians hoping to serve in the military.
Which is why…When Obama wanted to appease the gays, he did so by making a “big announcement” of new policies–most of which were already announced (and designed) by Hillary Clinton’s State Department three weeks earlier.
This “Clinton wouldn’t have done any better” meme really doesn’t hold water when even in her current position, she’s the administration’s leader on gay rights.
We’ve gotten more from Obamathan we would have from McCain-Palin, but I agree that we have to keep the pressure & campaign on long after election day.
I for one am not amongst those who have declared they will change their political affiliation & never support the democratic party again. Without the democratic party North Carolina would not have its first pieces of pro-lgbt legislation having passed just a few months ago in the form of the Bullying Bill & the Healthy Youth Act (comprehensive sex ed). The Bully Bill only passed by one vote. That is too close a margin to risk abandoning the democratic party.
RE: Pam on radio! (Yes)So anyway she says:
….and I say, ‘ Are you kidding? Have you heard your Radio “Presence’ ? It is astounding.’ (Just ask Kate).
PS Kept pics they are good!
Hillary Lost the PrimariesBecause the American people don’t like her.
bullshitfuck you, asshole.
what a piece of shityou are.