I don't know what to think about this article in the Washington Blade, “Joint statement expected for March on Washington: National gay groups said to be ‘very helpful’ with event.” It's an interview with activist Cleve Jones, who announced plans for a march in the nation's capital on October 11 during an appearance at Utah Pride in June.
In the piece, Jones makes a declaration that national LGBT organizations, specifically the Human Rights Campaign and the National Gay & Lesbian Task Force — are expected this week to release a joint statement in support of the March.
Jones, a protégé of gay rights pioneer Harvey Milk, disclosed the information when asked how helpful national LGBT groups have been in making preparations for the march.
“At this point, I would say very helpful, and I think you’ll hear a statement from the organizations next week,” he said.
But the problem is, only a couple of sentences later, one org, HRC, has no comment and the NGLTF's Inga Sarda-Sorensen outright denies any joint statement is being prepped, saying she's “unclear as to what Cleve was referring in his interview.”
There are some critical ducks not in a row here, and based on the reporting as it stands, it looks like the support of the march is clearly not solid, at least publicly. I don't know if this is some sort of trial balloon or what.
I guess this isn't surprising since there is a real divide out there about the utility of holding the march — not because there isn't enthusiasm, but because in a time of financial crunches for non-profit organizations and average people out there, it's not clear whether this is the best way to spend limited dollars. And that point is underscored when we have state ballot initiatives that need resources to battle back well-financed, motivated fundie organizations.
However, it's not a discussion of whether there will be a march — it's going to happen and how does the community deal with it — do you jump onboard to ensure its success (or from the other POV, prevent a public bellyflop) during a time where visibility matters? The point of contention is whether it's the most effective visibility — coverage by the MSM of a large throng of LGBTs, or people meeting one-on-one with their elected officials who may be on the fence on critical legislation?
Of course the answer is both, but I'll stick my neck out here and make the call that many if not most of the people who show up for the march will not turn up in the same numbers to lobby their House and Senate pols, or members of their state legislatures when they have an opportunity to do so. Many people who like the excitement of the socializing function that a march or protest will provide, but are not at all interested in the drudgery of grassroots and personal political activism. If the march can convince and convert some of these people to realize their power is in their visibility in both environments, then that is the real mark of success.
There's also a good piece in MetroWeekly on this topic, “October's Advance Activists debate the pros and cons as national march looms.”
Related:
* Does a March on Washington make sense now?
* Five alternatives to another LGBT March on Washington
* Why a March in D.C.?
* 10 reasons why a march on Washington is a bad idea
* Why the 10 Reasons not to March Don't Convince Me
* Ocamb: Foot Soldiers Needed in California and Maine, Not Washington, DC




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I will march if it happensOnly because I live here. If anyone needs a free place to crash, let me know. I am only 1 mile from the White House.
The money…I just wonder if the money they’re spending on a march wouldn’t be better spent by state groups (e.g., in Maine) fighting the repeal of marriage equality.
Money spent on StatesI fear is going to be money lost. Hopefully, the Boies lawsuit will settle this matter once and for all at the federal level.
I believe the lack of focus and energy around the march sends a messageBetween the dissension in California regarding repealing Prop 8 and other issues like WA, IL, and ME, it seems that “the community” is more focused on local issues than in a national march.
Pam, you’re right in that it looks like the decision to have the march has already been made, but I’m worried this is going to be a flop. That is why the national groups aren’t quite sure how to proceed.
I agree completelyBy the way, I liked your comment about a gay version of the BPP at that other place, Anthony.
I agree that the energy seems to be focused (properly) on local action. If the national groups could find a way to emphasize both action at the federal and the local levels, that would be great!
The march energy could esculateDepends on what happens in government between now and October especially surrounding DADT, the hot button issue. The LGBT situation is very volatile. I believe the Harvey Milk award was to temper the anger.
March on WashingtonThis historic march is a just over two months away. Time to stop nit-picking. Time to start volunteering and organizing. Go to EqualityAcrossAmerica.org. and sign up now. This is too important.
All the best,
Dean Van de Motter
Jones, a protégé of gay rights pioneer Harvey Milk?Huh? This is news to me.
I know Cleve Jones used to hang out at Harvey’s camera store on Castro Street (like hundreds of other gays, lesbians and trans) but I didn’t know he was a “protégé.”
I though Cleve Jones’ claim to gay fame was the AIDS Quilt Project?
Lack of focus isn’t a bad thingThere is an abundance of LGBT opinion / agitation bubbling up all over, Anthony, especially in California.
I don’t think there is any reason – or purpose – in selling ourselves short. This lack of focus is way overdue. For too many years there has been little response as the wave of amendments against our community spread across the country and there has been no positive gains to claim.
Maine, Washington state and possibly California are three states that will generate MORE of this frenetic indignation that can be used to organize a movement.
Without some frustration and outrage we aren’t going to get anywhere. It’s not like everyone is going to wake up one morning on the same page and agree on strategy. Sometimes people have to get mighty uncomfortable before they are ready to take action to make things better.
Let it get messy. Things have been far too staid for far too long. A movement is not the same as writing an article for a blog. There will be multiple public revisions before the final version is approved.
We need to start drafting our movement now…and that is exactly what is happening.
This lack of focus you see is very exciting. Roll up your sleeves and jump in.
Chaos is good!In fact all of creation comes from Chaos. Or so mythology says.
And given the diversity of our movement, maybe the fact that it’s a little chaotic is a proper reflection of the community. It’s only good or bad if we make it so.
escalate
I won’t be at the march.As I understand it, right now many of the necessary things that usually take up to a year to plan haven’t been started. There is no permit, no insurance, no security, not even porta-potties. Other groups will also be on the Mall that day, so the visibility of the march may be limited.
State groups all over the country are struggling just to stay alive, so this march at this time doesn’t appear to be a good use of limited resources.
Past marches were during times when there was little or no legislation moving at the state level and none at the federal level. The visibility raised awareness and was a way to direct the pent up energy to make a statement. This time it is very different with several bills moving through Congress and in state legislatures. There are also the Maine and Washington state initiatives that absolutely must be defeated. The thing to do now to have the most impact will occur in the halls of Congress, the statehouses and on the ground in Maine and Washington.
I find some of the comments here really mind blowing)I don;t mean to pick on people by the way)
Comments like:
Considering that Jones has an estimated that the cost would ironically be LOWER than what Joe Solomese of HRC makes in a year. You guys do know he make a well OVER a 1/4 of million dollars a year correct? ($338,400 to be exact) Now wouldn’t the money that overpaid Solemese makes or the other heads of our so called “organizations” make go to better use. Or at least a portion of it. These organizations are so bloated and thier staff so overpaid with out donations no one says a word about that. Or maybe the Millions in mismanaged money that was spent on the No on 8 Campaign and he money Lori Jean makes yearly $327,000 or Neil Giuliano of GLADD makes at $270,000 a year.
Now I don;t hear any of you complaining about that. And these are the same groups that won’t support Jones. Gee I wonder if they are afraid they’ll lose control.
You know activism is NOT supposed to be a high paying job. Worry about that waste and what good that money could go to.
I’m very apathetic to the idea of a National MarchIf LGBT youth want a March of their generation…fine have a nice couple of days in DC. It doesn’t effect me one way or the other.
This is NOT trueA successful movement has to have a level of harmony and focus in order to be successful.
Take the civil rights movement as an example…it racked up its greatest victories when it spoke with a single (or overpowering) voice and targeted a single issue at a time. The movment lost ground when it lost focus.
The moment a movement starts pulling in multiple directions is the moment that it is easily fractured and loses its power. This is why the LGBT rights movement is so ineffective on the national stage…it lacks focus and is so fractured that its voice is diminshed.
Your community would be better off picking an issue an pushing until you get what you want (and I don’t mean something vague like “equality”).
I agree with you as far as the “level of harmony” argument is concernedThe focus is there with respect to local and statewide issues, IMHO.
Note that I am not talking about fantastic levels of chaos, exactly. The Black civil rights movement, for example, always had multiple levels.
I’m confused, you say “your community” in your replyas though you aren’t a part of the LGBT community. Isn’t it also your community?
He was a leader aka friendin Harvey Milk’s various political campaigns. If you saw the film MILK it showed him doing that political work and leading a march. He didn’t just hang around the camera shop.
I wasn’t taking that bait!For some reason (actually, I know why, more or less) it’s seems to have gotten very personal between me and Geek on his end. I am continually trying not to get into a personalized flame war with him in Pam’s blog.
thanks for the kind words, “that other place” is quite a tripI don’t go there often but it’s entertaining to see the ways people find new ways to express their Jody (my new term for bitterness, based off of Jody Watley’s appearance on the TV One special on Shalamar).
Off topic, is there a way to leave personal messages on here? I’m gonna be in Chicago next week for the LGBTI Health Summit and need the tea on places I should visit.
focus on birth placeI think that would be an effective strategy to get people to question authority.
Focus on birth documents and emphasize other countries even if the claim is off base, the result will be cracks in the facade. Repeated blows will weaken the structure.
Is that what you propose?
Kinda like the birther movement?
I will be thereBut I was going to be in DC that weekend anyway for the HRC annual dinner.
I don’t think that it’s a coincidence that the weekends are the same — actually pretty clever way to get people to the march who might not come to a march by itself.
Did not know about that summitShame on me. Now I may have to attend a few of the workshops.
Give me a day or so to set up yet another e-mail acct. Check back tomorrow. But offhand, do you want to do Northside gay (white), Southside gay (black), the usual Chicago stuff (museum, shopping, food), or all of the above?
a little bit of everything! well, maybe not the shopping (I’m broke, lol)The event is going to be at the Chicago Hilton and Towers, which I believe is downtown.
I’ll have to take public transportation anywhere I go outside of that area. I don’t know if Northside or Southside is closer to where I’ll be.
I’m leaning more towards the cultural things, I’m in recovery so I don’t know if I should really be hitting up the clubs in a strange town where “nobody would know.”
I thought you were in recoveryThen we def. need to hit a few meetings (could stop me from slacking up on ‘em, lol).
There’s good stuff on both sides of town actually.
A fork in the roadI am hearing 2 schools of thought on this march.
Camp “A” says we need to act now and since Cleve Jones is/was associated with Harvey Milk (and we all saw the movie of course), we need to follow his “advice” and march on Washington, DC to DEMAND our rights NOW. \
Camp “B” says this is a train wreck waiting to happen; the time between the announcement in June and the march in October is not enough to properly organize a true protest that will actually accomplish something. This whole thing, while a good idea in concept, is simply not appropriate right now in this economy.
I get the impression the organizers’ followers think Dave Mixner and Cleve Jones and Robin McGeHee have some sort of special vision and this march is the answer to all our problems; ENDA, DOMA, DADT, et. al. at the federal level. Maybe they do, maybe they don’t.
Several LGBT leaders I have talked to are quietly not participating because they feel the people and organizations that really NEED to be on board have yet to commit to backing it and the time to properly plan is simply too short. In addition, I am seeing way too many people who just don’t have the time and money available to afford to go. Nearly all of the only people who can afford to go and are going are the rich, white, highly educated, gay males, once again reinforcing the stereotypes used by the opposition. If this is not a truly diverse march, it will make every LGBT person or group even remotely associated with this march look silly.
Will the march happen? Yes, at some level it WILL happen. Will it be a waste or precious resources like money? Only time will tell. Will it succeed? I think that depends on your definition of what the march’s objectives are, for if the objectives are passage of ENDA and repealing DOMA and DADT in 2009, I would not hold my breath.
HRCis no doubt still trying to figure out how they can a) make a truck load of money off a march and b) try to co-opt the march as being their idea all along (after everyone else has done the work and laid the groundwork: typical HRC operating procedure).
it would be very cool to attend a meeting with you. I’m almost certain that there will be meetings as part of the conference but it will be good to see how “regular folks” in Chicago do meetings.
That’s the sense that I got from Chicago’s Market DaysLGBT youth very much want to do a March, at least the ones I talked to. And that was across racial lines.
Anthony, you should consider getting a transit passif you think you’ll be traveling around the city away from your hotel. They’re a pretty good deal on unlimited rides: 1-day @ $5.75; 3-day @ $14; 7-day @ $23. Info here. It’s too late for you to get one in the mail, but CTA passes and cards are widely available at currency exchanges (which are all over the place–there’s one ~4 blocks from your hotel).
Actually the birthers…despite being obvious lunatics who long ago decided to sepearate themselves from reality…are actually a good example of what I’m talking about.
They don’t have much to say, and live in a fact free world, but what they do have is the endless ability to repeat the same thing over and over again until someone listens. That is a direct result of having only one focus.
Say what you will about them, but they get attention and we all know their talking points.
Well, the birthers have thatand institutional (if not quite on the books) support from the Republican Party too.
No…I do not consider myself a part the “the community.” I took the hint along time ago that I was not welcome in that world.
That does not mean that I won’t speak up if I have something to say.
Speaking of the birthersthey just got busted bigtime!
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/conte…
I actuallydon’t have any idea what you’re talking about. There was nothing in my comment that had anything specifically to do with you beyond me responding to your initial point.
Well, actually this is a very similar path to mineDifferent “community” (with some exceptions) but a similar path.
OctoberI have no problem with the idea of a national march – I tend to be on the side of the “the money could better be spent locally” crowd, but if people want to march, I’m all for it.
My big concern is that the march, as currently scheduled, is taking place while Congress is in recess. Nobody’s going to be there to see it. People aren’t going to be able to drop in on their Representatives and Senators to apply political pressure.
I realize October 11th is National Coming Out Day and thus carries symbolic weight, I guess. (Does anyone outside the LGBT community even know, or care, when National Coming Out Day is?) But other than that HUGE symbolic weight, what purpose is served by scheduling a major national march on Washington when none of our elected officials are going to be there to see it?
thanks for the tip, I may need to make that investmentI was going to drive to Chicago but then I realized how expensive parking is (almost $30 a day). I like trains anyway.
Especially in ChicagoAnd in the downtown area, too?
Add in the cost of at least one inevitable parking ticket and it really adds up. Too, if you decide to drive to a bar or restaurant, you’ll find that lots of areas have resident-only parking during specified hours on the side streets where you’re hunting for a parking place.
I got rid of my car 8 years ago and have never missed the aggravation.
OMG, totally OT now- sidestreet parking in Chicagoespecially on the North Side (and especially in the Lakeview and Rogers Park areas where I’ve lived) is horrendous. I always told friends that were coming from other parts of the city to take the train, never drive. Of course, the knuckleheads wouldn’t listen and would spend 45 min. to an hour finding a parking space.
I have never owned a car (I don’t even know how to drive, bash me now) and since I’ve left Detroit I’ve always lived in cities that had rapid transit. That is, if you want to call the CTA rapid transit, lol.
Institute of Art is spectacularThe shops in the Halstead and antique stores on Lincoln Ave is some of the stuff I did in Chi. It’s a very cool town, but diet before hand, they melt cheese on EVERYTHING.
I figure it this wayIf this is an organizational nightmare, they’ll probably be equally lame at announceing it, and getting media coverage. So if it stinks, very few will notice.
Heh, I can’t do the whole Art Institute in a dayI try to go once a year for 2 or 3 weekends.
Other than the Louvre, they actually have by far the finest collection of Impressionist paintings in the world. I never even liked the Impressionists much until I saw them at the Art Institute.
Also, depending on the length of one’s stay, it’s a must to check out a play or two.
I’ve got a quick question … or threeif you don’t feel you’re a part of or welcomed in a “community,” when you speak up what reaction do you expect to get from that “community”? Do you just put your two cents in and keep it moving? Would you like to be included in the “community”?
if you live in a major city like Chicago I don’t know why you’d need a car.
Nit-picking?I’m not nit-picking, I’m attacking the premise that a March on Washington is a good thing to do.
If everyone who thinks standing around, not even on the Mall, and congratulating one another on your political activism would commit to a trip to Maine–I’d be indifferent to it.
Until I hear the call to specific and necessary ACTIONS that will complete the show of political capacity we put on during Q2 of 2009–I’m against it.
Our movement has grown up. Marching on Washington feels good; I’ve done it a number of times.
But we displayed awe-inspiring political muscle in the states this spring, and the responsible thing to do is go to Maine and prove that we can make the sale in a referendum.
The Chagall glass panels are AWESOMEThey did have beautiful Impressionists, and there was a Van Gogh show when I was there, they had the Van Gogh from Minneapolis as a part of the show.
In replying to meyou said “your community.” Implying that it’s something that I possess but that you don’t.
It may have been unconscious on your part, SciFi, which would make it even more fascinating, in a way.