Just hit my inbox a bit ago. I knew the minute he said “the Cambridge police acted stupidly” the other night that it was going to blow up in his face. It was one of those off-the-cuff remarks without his usual, planned nuance that bit him in the you-know-what, since we know how the MSM maelstrom runs with candid comments that aren’t thought out as to how it will play. Not that he isn’t speaking a truth, but that his personal relationship with Skip Gates put a big bullseye on the statement. The feeding frenzy then began.
Office of the Press Secretary__________________________________________________
For Immediate Release
July 24, 2009STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT
James S. Brady Press Briefing Room
2:33 P.M. EDTTHE PRESIDENT: Hey, it’s a cameo appearance. Sit down, sit down. I need to help Gibbs out a little bit here.
Q Are you the new press secretary?
THE PRESIDENT: If you got to do a job, do it yourself. (Laughter.)
I wanted to address you guys directly because over the last day and a half obviously there’s been all sorts of controversy around the incident that happened in Cambridge with Professor Gates and the police department there.
I actually just had a conversation with Sergeant Jim Crowley, the officer involved. And I have to tell you that as I said yesterday, my impression of him was that he was a outstanding police officer and a good man, and that was confirmed in the phone conversation — and I told him that.
And because this has been ratcheting up — and I obviously helped to contribute ratcheting it up — I want to make clear that in my choice of words I think I unfortunately gave an impression that I was maligning the Cambridge Police Department or Sergeant Crowley specifically — and I could have calibrated those words differently. And I told this to Sergeant Crowley.
I continue to believe, based on what I have heard, that there was an overreaction in pulling Professor Gates out of his home to the station. I also continue to believe, based on what I heard, that Professor Gates probably overreacted as well. My sense is you’ve got two good people in a circumstance in which neither of them were able to resolve the incident in the way that it should have been resolved and the way they would have liked it to be resolved.
More below the fold.
The fact that it has garnered so much attention I think is a testimony to the fact that these are issues that are still very sensitive here in America. So to the extent that my choice of words didn’t illuminate, but rather contributed to more media frenzy, I think that was unfortunate.What I’d like to do then I make sure that everybody steps back for a moment, recognizes that these are two decent people, not extrapolate too much from the facts — but as I said at the press conference, be mindful of the fact that because of our history, because of the difficulties of the past, you know, African Americans are sensitive to these issues. And even when you’ve got a police officer who has a fine track record on racial sensitivity, interactions between police officers and the African American community can sometimes be fraught with misunderstanding.
My hope is, is that as a consequence of this event this ends up being what’s called a “teachable moment,” where all of us instead of pumping up the volume spend a little more time listening to each other and try to focus on how we can generally improve relations between police officers and minority communities, and that instead of flinging accusations we can all be a little more reflective in terms of what we can do to contribute to more unity. Lord knows we need it right now — because over the last two days as we’ve discussed this issue, I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but nobody has been paying much attention to health care. (Laughter.)
I will not use this time to spend more words on health care, although I can’t guarantee that that will be true next week. I just wanted to emphasize that — one last point I guess I would make. There are some who say that as President I shouldn’t have stepped into this at all because it’s a local issue. I have to tell you that that part of it I disagree with. The fact that this has become such a big issue I think is indicative of the fact that race is still a troubling aspect of our society. Whether I were black or white, I think that me commenting on this and hopefully contributing to constructive — as opposed to negative — understandings about the issue, is part of my portfolio.
So at the end of the conversation there was a discussion about — my conversation with Sergeant Crowley, there was discussion about he and I and Professor Gates having a beer here in the White House. We don’t know if that’s scheduled yet — (laughter) — but we may put that together.
He also did say he wanted to find out if there was a way of getting the press off his lawn. (Laughter.) I informed him that I can’t get the press off my lawn. (Laughter.) He pointed out that my lawn is bigger than his lawn. (Laughter.) But if anybody has any connections to the Boston press, as well as national press, Sergeant Crowley would be happy for you to stop trampling his grass.
All right. Thank you, guys.
Related:
* Why class does matter in the Gates arrest debate
* Cop in Gates case: I’m not racist – I gave mouth-to-mouth to black NBA player
* Prof. Henry Louis Gates tells CNN about his experience with Cambridge police
* Unjamming your front door while black? Scholar Henry Louis Gates arrested in home



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How refreshingA president that can actually admit that he was wrong or (at the very least) misguided about something.
Of course, he did the same thing as a candidate with the bitter people that hold on to their guns and religion.
Sadly, he couldn’t do this over the DOJ brief.
a pretty good comment.i think the reason people may have pounced on his comment about this is because this is the first time (i’m aware of) that he has made a strong unscripted response to any local event. he was right to acknowledge that by so doing, he may have helped ramp up the rhetoric rather than foster conversation. now he’s admitting that and trying to foster conversation. i think that’s good.
yes wellit;s clear what kind of discrimination hits home for him and what kind doesn’t. sadly, all discrimination doesn’t seem to be of a piece to him. but i do like the way he handled this today.
no shit
You acted stupidly.
Oh, hell yes you did. And you were “surprised” yesterday? WTF were you expecting? You’re the president — people listen to your words. So make them count.
But feel free to condemn any antigay violence by the police. [crickets]
OK, and what presidentdoesn’t say stupid shit?
Really?
So, you’ll be speaking out whenever a person is involved with a police officer of a different race? Because that’s what you just said.
Only edit I’d make about President Obama’s Gates remarkThe police handled this incident REALLY REALLY F*CKIN stupidly.
But I have the gift for diplomacy-speak….LOL!
This is a good startI’m glad President Obama is trying to diffuse the situation on both sides.
I’m not sure if the President meant that literally, but Prof. Gates was not pulled out of his home.
I’ve been watching this story on CNN. A reporter asked Prof. Gates’ attorney what specifically did Sergeant Crowley do that made Prof. Gates think that he was racist. Answer: nothing. Now the attorney is saying that this had nothing to do with race. That this is a matter of bad judgment.
Supposedly the police department has some recordings of radio conversations which include Prof. Gates yelling in the background. I’m hoping they release them to the public.
That’s not what he meantand you know it. Quit the bullshit.
For one, he spoke only of this specific incident. Two, what he disagrees with is the idea that as president he shouldn’t speak on local issues.
Although with that logic, Obama should have felt perfectly free to speak on Prop 8 after the Cali Supremes upheld it.
for the recordGates handled the situation stupidly and is the one who, through the sheer force of his overblown Harvard ego and unwillingness to cooperate like less important people would, turned this into a national incident. I’m sorry to say it but there is a very real part of me that wonders if he did so intentionally because he knew how it could be played out in the press.
There are enough real examples of bigotry and racism in this country We don’t need a manufactured one to give people a reason to wonder if real victims are crying wolf too.
But, we also know……..……that he’s much too cowardly to do that!
Personally, I don’t think that the Pres. needed to make another statementThe police officer did “act stupidly”. It is the police officer’s job to act as a professional in a confrontation at work, not the “suspect”. How many of us have jobs in which it is expected that our customers/the public act professionally while we do not?
He should have said stupid prickI demand an apology for his apology.
What a F*ed up country this is that ANYONE would have to apologize for the wrongful arrest of a 60 yr old man – a professor none the less – for breaking into his own home.
It was stupid.
It was racist.
It happens all the time – much worse than this example.
We are a fucked up, conflicted, racially retarded group of people. That is what Obama should have said in the first place and he should have restated it today with more emphasis.
Check this out for some of the most brilliant conversation I’ve heard in a long time:
http://www.democracynow.org/20…
correctionLet me state this more clearly:
“What a F*ed up country this is that ANYONE would have to apologize for calling out the wrongful arrest of a 60 yr old man – a professor none the less – for breaking into his own home.”
Dr. Boyce Watkinsmade a statement yesterday that really put this event in a different perspective for me, which is one that I can agree with. He said, “Showing an ID and proving that you live in a home is not (and should not be) enough to get most officers to stop asking questions. One-third of all female murder victims are killed by an intimate. Many of the assailants are men who break into their own homes to kill their spouse. The officer has an obligation to investigate, to make sure the person is supposed to be in the house, not just that he is a resident.”
If, and I’m not saying this is what happened, Gates was preventing Officer Crowley from investigating the matter fully (as in verifying that there were no restraining orders etc.) the the Crowley very well could have been following Standard Operating Procedures.
Had the officer failed to do anything, and then something actually did happen, could you imagine the public outcry? “The ‘white’ police officers did nothing”, etc.
I know that what I have said is not politically correct (and my gay card will probably be revoked once again) but I think that until we all have ALL the real facts we should withhold judgment on either individual.
Video herehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v…
Or…………even after HIS DoJ filed the hateful DOMA brief.
In other words….
when it comes to LGBT issues, the daily menu in the White House mess…where admin employees and guests eat for non-public events….reads, “Phony Baloney.”
LMAOHoney, my gay card has revoked, my black card has been revoked, etc. Don’t even worry about it.
I think Pollyanna said it best: this is a Rorschach for everyone race, class, police authority, etc. That’s why I haven’t commented much on the Gates threads though personally, I think there was a bit of “don’t you know who I am?” on the part of Gates. I also think that the policeman overreacted to that. Whether it was racial or not is still an open question as far as I’m concerned.
LOLI’m not worried about it…..too much – LOL! Eventually I’ll get it back. I’m just not clear on how many times it will be revoked before that revocation becomes permanent
I haven’t commented on it too much either, but I heard what Watkins had said about it yesterday which put a different light on the subject. I too think there was probably overreaction on both sides.
This.
This.
Obama was right to speak out againt racist abuse of powerBully pulpit and all that. Even though he isn’t actually a bully.
P.S.I am aware that the phrase “bully pulpit” does not refer to an aggressive intimidator (even though Theodore Roosevelt really was one, with his “big dick” or whatever he called it). I was just making a play on words.
You should be sorry…for this:
“I’m sorry to say it but there is a very real part of me that wonders if he did so intentionally because he knew how it could be played out in the press.”
Do you really think the news media was on his mind when this whole thing was going down? Really?
Too bad there is no actual evidence that this was a “racist abuse of power.”Or as the President first told the nation, he didn’t have all the facts but he was sure the police acted stupidly.
big stick“talk softly but carry a big stick” was his motto.
Yeah, Obama never said that specificallyand that would be out of character for Obama to say.
The police can be stupid but not racist.
For example, simply in Chicago, the white woman who was accosted by a cop in the bar or the 7 men who were pulled over by Richard Florio for driving while gay. (In Chicago, at least, the police seem to discriminate against everybody.)
I think that the Gates case does speak to the willingness of the police to use increasingly coercive tactics against all citizens.
Whether this was racist or not remains to be seen.
“The police can be stupid but not racist.”They can be both, and have been proven to be so often.
I’m appalled that our President would stick his nose into this despite saying he didn’t know the all the facts, then side with his friend. That’s the sort of “ignant” thing a mayor or council member would do. If you’re the Prez, please act like it.
See, I agree with youbut there’s even a class angle to the president’s involvement with the Gates situation. I mean, if it were me trying to get in my apartment, would Daley or Pat Quinn or the president speak out about it? Probably not.
Obama is, in a since, also speaking out for a man whom he identifies with on the level of social and economic class as well as race.
“sense”
yes, I DO wonderIf he were a professor in another field, it would never have popped into my mind but, as I said, there is a part of me that wonders if the moment he realized how very much he pissed off the cop and that he’d be hauled in, he made a conscious decision to turn this into a very public & political media frenzy. My only regret in admitting to this thought is the fact that I’ve obviously become very jaded in the face of too many minor and/or manufactured issues being blown out of proportion and the negative impact it’s had in getting people in general to be open to real and significant events/issues. This is an unnecessary diversion that undermines useful discourse.
let’s try thisIf it were a black professor in another field, would it have popped into your mind?
I’m appalledPolyanna that you insist you know the facts better than the man who experienced what it was like to be threatened by men in his house with guns.
If I read one more of your entitled finger-wagging ever so-post-racial comments I will scream.
noI’d have the same exact reaction as I’m having right now if he were a Jewish Professor of Jewish studies and this had become a cause celebre for antisemitism.
my biggest bias in my thought process is rooted in him not only being an academic, but being a Harvard academic.
normal people who were jet-lagged, frustrated & pissed enough at the situation to not respond calmly would have yelled back “this is my f-in house!” and then showed their ID, not “do you KNOW who I am?! and unnecessarily delayed showing proof of identification.
Scream away. And when you stop screaming, let’s talk.What “fact” are you talking about that I know better than Dr Gates. Start anywhere, but it would be nice if you could start from the very beginning. And leave out your assumptions.
Patrick is, as expected, right. Obama was unexpectedly (shudder) right. (*)The cop was officious, mean spirited, dismissive and racist. Such attitudes are so common in their relations with African Americans, immigrants, Latinos, poor people and ourselves that cops get bent out of shape when they’re criticized. For them it’s SOP. No big deal.
For Blacks, Latinos and the poor dealings with the police can be much worse. Racist sentencing guidelines, the enormous loss of good union jobs because of the policies of all presidents since Nixon combined with the Clintonian emphasis on providing more cops, less welfare and far fewer less jobs (NAFTA, deregulation) created a situation of widespread poverty, demoralization and social-economic collapse. That led inevitably to the incarceration, by midyear 2008, of 4,777 black male inmates per 100,000, compared to 1,760 Hispanic male inmates per 100,000 and 727 white male inmates per 100,000 in all US jails.
Sometimes even professors in rich neighborhoods get a little taste of that and Gates was understandably furious.
I don’t know how to prove it but I suspect that GLBT folks of all ethnicities catch far more than our share of police hostility because of the outrageous levels of political and cult prejudice directed against us – summed up in the phrase “gawd’s in the mix”. Incidents like those at the mormon mothertemple in SLC and the restaurant in Salt Lake are everyday facts of life for many of us and that seems to apply especially to transpeople.
Obama may have been right (*) just this once but if you value you life don’t hold your breath waiting for the Obus driver to comment on incidents that involve GLBT folks. He’s been in office seven months. He had to get something right. This next time he gets it right will be, let’s see – July plus seven – sometime around next February.
So you really believehe got off a plane from China (what’s that, 20+ hours of traveling?), arrived home to a stubborn front door when all he wanted was to hit the hay, then found a police officer at his door asking him for ID, which naturally irritated an already tired traveler, and he immediately thought, “wow, I can make this into a shit storm of press.” I just don’t see the rationality in that, Harvard academic or not.
Obama Allowed Himself to be Publicly Castrated by the MediaObama opines: “….my impression of him was that he was a outstanding police officer and a good man.”
Yuck. Brother Barry, what am I going to do with you?
I suppose I am the rare white male, who holds a contrarian view of most cops: I don’t trust them. I don’t like them. Period.
I have seen first hand how cops often treat people of color and the LGBT community. I’ve lived in Oakland, CA, and Los Angeles, CA, and West Hollywood, CA and now, we live in Upstate NY for my husband’s job and even here, in Rochester, NY, the land of Susan B. Anthony, we’ve had an incident of police bashing of gays and lesbians.
Cops engage in what amounts to wilding. They prey upon black people and queers and in almost every incident, you can’t get a jury in Murika to convict. The police are a protected class in this country. Call it: Police State America.
It’s appalling to me to see President Barack Obama, a man who I helped get elected, back away from a very accurate and apt assessment of the Cambridge cop who arrested Professor Gates in his own home for the crime of entering his own home!
I don’t expect better from the Cambridge cop but I expected better from Obama. Shame on you, Mr. Obama for willing allowing yourself to be publicly castrated by the media.
what is being racist?I think there’s a problem here, which is that now “being racist” is somehow just a question of the cop’s personal beliefs or character. This is not about whether Officer Crowley is a nice person; it’s about the character of law enforcment altogether. The racist shooting of Sean Bell in New York involved at least one police officer of color; and as the photos of this event reveal one of the cops in Crowley’s entourage seems to be have been black also. The police are fundamentally racist in nature, no matter how many African-American officers there are, no matter how many racial profiling sensitivity courses are sponsored. Race-ism is not just prejudice: it’s a complicated social equation based on power that is not neutralized by Deval Patrick’s or Barack Obama’s ultimate role as heads of state; and the police, as a military instrument of repressive power, are among racism’s chief enforcers. Professor Gates didn’t need to ask Officer Crowley what he thought of black people: the gun at Crowley’s waist superceded both the rule of law and the rules of logic and reasoned human interaction.
If you spend a decade or so pandering to anti-GLBT bigotshow hard is it to adjust to pandering to racist sentiment? Apparently not too hard.
But still its remarkable considering that he’s busy most mornings orchestrating the deaths of thousands of Afghan, Pakistani and Iraqi civilians while stealing their oil. And signing contracts for more white phosphorus napalm.
And after lunch he has to take off time to contentedly snuggling in the laps of the looter rich while handing them their latest trillion dollar welfare check.
And then, before hitting the sack, he has to rev up the Obus and take it out for a spin to see how many of us he can run over.
Whadda guy.
the joys of willful misinterpretationI did not say he set the whole thing up so the cops would be called and he could create a masterpiece of faux racism. He acted like a complete and utter extremely entitled a-hole instead of like a human being. He was pissed off at the situation with the door, this is understandable especially considering the long trip home; what is not acceptable or understandable is why he insisted on refusing to cooperate with the police officer at first and unnecessarily instigated/escalated the situation by antagonizing the cop who was, theoretically, dispatched to investigate a reported B & E of Gates’ home.
What I am saying is that his response to the arrest (which could have been avoided if he showed even a modicum of humility or, possibly, apologized for not cooperating explaining his shiteously long trek home & having to deal with a stuck door) was to fan the flames and make this an international incident by claiming it was all racist. Having faced problems getting into my front door due to a stuck lock after an extremely long trip back from Moscow (granted not as bad a trek as China), I managed to get in through the back as well and, when I still couldn’t get the damned front door open, I said “f it” and took a nap before getting more frustrated trying to deal with the uncooperative door. Had I tried to get in and the cops shown up thinking I was a robber, I’d probably have shouted that this was my house and let out a string of expletives about not being able to get the g d door open. I guarantee you that when the cops would have asked for my ID, I’d have just dug it out and then probably asked them to help me deal with the door. What I would not have done is antagonize them further before finally deciding to show ID in my own time on my terms.
It’s obvious that you just want to make him out to be some poor, defenseless victim of racism and I, frankly, think his overblown ego is what “victimized” him but he (and, apparently, a lot of people) have decided that purely because he is black, this was a case of overt racism and racial profiling. I have a very strong feeling that, if this were a Jewish academic screaming antisemitism, you’d be rolling your eyes at his insistence he was a victim and, if Gates was white and the cop black,it’s quite possible you’d be attacking Gates for being a racist for being disrespectful of the cop because he was black. What Gates and people like you have done with this incident is create a mountain out of a molehill in such a way that the situation may well have set race relations behind.
Institutional racism…Now I can agree with that regardless of whether Officer Crowley is personally racist or not.
But particularly with a black police officer on the scene and given what I’ve personally experienced regarding class issues within the African American community as well, the intertwining of class and race can take on a nearly infinite number of permutations.
Several factorsHe was tired, having just traveled back from China, stopover in Newark notwithstanding, and jetlagged.
He was ill, having contracted some sort of bronchial infection on his trip.
He was frustrated, having arrived at his home to find the front door damaged and, therefore, jammed, then being confronted suddenly by a policeman demanding he identify himself.
If this had happened to me right after I got back to Arizona from Saudi Arabia in ’95, I can’t guarantee I wouldn’t have gotten a wee bit irate myself. And I’m a 56-year-old white woman.
It was stupid, becauseonce the Cambridge police established they were dealing with the rightful resident of the house, they should have left. Dr. Gates may have been a bit surly, for all the reasons I cited above. Can’t say I entirely blame him. At that point, the police should not have gotten him out of his front door to arrest him.
You must be the 30th poster here justifying Gates’ behavior based onhis travel fatigue and frustration with a door which wouldn’t easily open (perhaps from an earlier break-in attempt). And why not? Those are some of the excuses Gates has been trumpeting far and wide for his boorish behavior. As if it somehow excuses his racist charges against the cop from the moment he laid eyes on him on his porch.
Not a soul is trying to explain the cop’s behavior based on other things going on in his life. And given his job, he might well be able to regale us with tales of stressful interactions with criminals in the days leading up to his meeting with Gates. But then, the cop isn’t playing that card, that I’ve heard.
I’m Down with the PresidentMy first reaction was that the incident with Dr. Gates was a racial incident. It appears not. I’ve had some time now, and I have a different opinion. But opinions are like farts: sometimes it’s best not to share them indiscriminately. I am a fan of Dr. Gates. I know him only through the media, which is to say, I don’t know him at all. I like his projected personna, though, and appreciate what he brings to the conversation when we talk about race.
I cannot advise Dr. Gates, Officer Crowley, or the President about what to say or do. If Dr. Gates believes the indignities he suffered were because of race, I doubt anything any of us can say will dissuade him of it. That is unfortunate, but it is his truth. The President reacted at first as a friend of someone who has been treated offensively. He has been visibly stung by the fact that even in race, both sides have a story, a certain amount of truth, and an obligation to follow the rules. It appears to me that Dr. Gates expected more deference because of his public stature as a Harvard professor who is widely known and often on television. If he wants to retain his credibility, he needs to own up to this.
I appreciate the fact that he was just returned home from a very long trip and was tired and irritated by the situation. This situation would not have occurred had Dr. Gates not behaved with such an enraged sense of entitlement. Yes, Dr. Gates, I know who you are, but you are not guaranteed that everyone will.
I continue to find hope in the fact that we have a President who is passionate and loyal to his friends. I find that an admirable trait.
This is such a non-issue …I’ve got to say, as someone whose apartment has been burglarized, it sounds to me like the officer did exactly the right things at the start of their encounter.
First, story time! Almost exactly a year ago (in 10 hours), some burglars kicked in my front door while I was on the other side of town. They stole almost everything I owned. Just about the only thing they didn’t get was my camera, because it was on me at the time. They cost me tens of thousands of dollars in hardware and an incalculable amount in data and lost time cleaning everything up.
The worst part is that FedEx delivered a package while the burglars were inside my apartment. They cannot possibly have knocked properly on the door, otherwise they would have noticed that it didn’t stay shut. We think that something (either FedEx lightly using the knocker or someone else) chased the burglars away because we found some of our bags crammed with our stuff that they had not taken. Some other apartments in the same building had been completely cleaned out over the few days leading up to ours. Clothes, dishes, furniture, everything was gone. Had it not been for the broken door frame, you would think they had moved out.
As a result of all of this, I’m fully in favor of the death penalty for burglars.
Anyway, back on topic.
In this instance, both sides let it escalate too far. Either of them could have backed down and it wouldn’t have turned out like this. Being belligerent to a cop is never a good idea, especially when he tells you that there was a report of a burglary at that address. All of the accounts I’ve seen so far lead me to believe that the professor was profoundly stupid. I don’t think he deserved to be arrested, but as far as I can tell, he didn’t do anything to try and defuse a situation where the officer started out with every reason not to trust him.
How exactly is this news? Cop gets report of burglary, cop sees someone in the home for which the report was filed, cop asks for ID, person refuses to provide ID. Cop enters the home, the suspect is still belligerent, cop arrests suspect. Suspect turns out to be innocent and actually the homeowner, suspect is released. That’s how it works. That’s what the word “suspect” is used for, for crying out loud!
Lets just lock up everyone whos being a non-violent, nonthreatening jerk in their own home?
Why not go farther? Why not just send everyone we disagree with to death camps? Problem solved. Right?
ExactlyEveryone who is siding with the police is only doing so for completely personal reasons whether its because they’re conservative about race or because they dislike the president.
From what I understandthe “suspect” provided ID before “they” were arrested. Now put a spin on that.
An American freedom we all cherishis the right to be an asshole in our own home without being arrested. (h/t dday)
So you’d think the Right would be all over this infringement.
I see you’ve found a home on the innerwebs.
I cannot imagine……why you would have expected any better from Obama.
This is a man who disavowed his pastor, for whom he claimed to have filial feelings, precisely because his pastor was right.
Why would such a man be unwilling to abandon his own self because it made the error of being right?
(shrugs)I don’t even know what to make of that comment.
It means I gave a glib response to an immature remark.I could kick myself when I waste time with people who don’t really care about ideas, but just spout off unsupported nonsense.
AhI guess you usually give glib responses to incidences where police officers abuse their power and imprison people unlawfully? Thats been your entire shtick on this thread.
Brilliant.
You must not have been following this discussion very carefully across multiple threads.If you had, you would have noticed that I said from the beginning that I did not think that Gates should have been arrested, despite his racist remarks and boorish behavior.
Like most of the posters here, I’m inclined to be leery of the police on general principles. But the more I hear and read about this case, I wish the charges had not been dropped and that it had gone to trial.
I’m not much interested in what is in Gates’ or Crowley’s hearts; it’s how they behaved that matters. And I’m more and more convinced that the cop acted not just within department guidelines, but properly.
Wow. Assume much?
Then I guess we can agree to disagreeEven though I believe
“I’m more and more convinced that the cop acted not just within department guidelines, but properly.”
throws
“I did not think that Gates should have been arrested, despite his racist remarks and boorish behavior.”
out the window.
The more I read and follow up on the case the more and more I believe that Gates was the victim of police bullying, retaliation for hurt ego, and spinelessness. I’m also starting to believe people who side with the officer are connected in that they are doing so for their own personal feelings stemming from resentfulness about god knows what (Class? Race? You don’t like that hes friends with the president and you hate the president? They simply don’t like Gate’s writing?). Did Gates act like an asshole? Yep. Did he act like an unlawful asshole? Apparently not and thats why the case was dropped. The black cop who everyone is citing as the “end of the matter” says the charges were rightfully dropped (then why was there an arrest). The CPD believes the charges were rightfully dropped (well, sort of…until the president walked in). The only reason anyone would want to see Gates in jail is because they believe their opinions of people should dictate how others should be treated by the law.
Again, if you side with Crowley then I have to say lets just lock up everyone whos being a non-violent, nonthreatening jerk in their own home.
http://www.samefacts.com/archi…
http://www.reason.com/blog/sho…
BTW1. I’m so over the racial debate because I don’t give a damn about it. It really isn’t the larger issue that we should be talking about.
2. And yes, I thought Gates was being one pitiful son of a bitch of an asshole.
3. My sympathy for Crowley ended once he took out the cuffs with no good reason to arrest Gates.
re-read your postsand then look in the mirror.
’nuff said
what crazy planet do you live onThat Gates is the one being “racist”? That’s just neo-con absurdity.
@ish, 7:13 – When the first thing a person does when he sees a person of another raceis to belligerently introduce the subject of race himself, and in particular the whole past history of race in America, that’s a clue someone has issues. That is indeed a crazy planet and Gates is living on it.
It is also racist when certain posters’ entire analysis of a social situation seems to be that because one person is white and the other is black, then anything which results from that interaction must spring from racism and/or unjust racial profiling.
Gates was arrested for disorderly conduct…including telling the officer “Ya, I’ll speak with your mama outside” Anyone… anyone saying that to me would get a dose of soft butch tranny dyke whoop ass.
He’s lucky, in that regard. I would think the best course for the officer should have just continued with some questions, exercised his prerogative to ignore a misdemeanor and let Gates stew in his own juices. But as a matter of law…
You should read the report. No one is innocent.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/a…
Having also been the victim of a break-inand for that matter, an armed robbery, I would hate to think the police wouldn’t demand ID on the scene.
I know I would do as I was requested, no muss, no fuss.
Oh, and what if Prof. Gates was asleep in his home when someone else tried to break in to it? Would the cops have been such villains coming to investigate the neighbor’s report?
After watching the original comments again…I have to say that Obama was completely right–the police did act “stupidly.” Since when is the right suddenly in favor of police arresting people for no good reason in their own damn homes? That’s so un-American and injust it’s scary.
Where both Gates and Obama have acted stupidly themselves was in making this case about race.
You’re completely right, but…That hardly excuses the horrible abuse of police authority that followed. Since when is it okay to lock people up for being rude to cops in their own home?
ah, university politicsI think Gates was sort of messed up and embarrassed, and it’s important to remember that the cop asked Gates to come outside, and when Gates heard him calling the University police to confirm the professor’s identity, that’s when he blew up. (Not sure if Harvard ids have photos-gates did not provide a driver’s license.)
Note that Gates’ outbursts, according to the police report, escalated tremendously when the officer decided to leave the local police out of it and bring the University police in. In my experience… you’d be surprised at the things University professors will do, say, and be to get out of being gossipped about by their tenured peers.
Besides, I don’t understand why a Harvard professor couldn’t figure out why the cop was there in the first place. I mean, people trying to break in a house… why be upset if a cop drops by? We’d be thrilled if the cops cared in queens! Hell, he might have indeed figured it out! Maybe that was even why he got so overly defensive. You know? But his behavior was just totally unnecessary. Just say “Hi, Officer, sorry for the disturbance, keys wouldn’t work in the door, here’s my ID, here’s my cell phone.” Took three tries for the cop to get ID if I remember. (If I refused to give a cop ID three times in NYC, there’s a chance I’d be dead.) So I agree with Obama.
I do agree there is by and large discriminationand I’ve been a victim of it. I don’t see it here. I think he refused to give his ID three times and got whacked. I live in NYC and if I refused to give an ID three times I’d be arrested.
Besides, anyone who breaks into a home could pick up an ID lying carelessly around – especially if it wasn’t a photo ID; it was a Harvard ID, not a drivers license – and pretend they lived there. Gates only blew up when the cop called Harvard University to check on it outside the door, if I remember.
If you think about race, you see race.
If you think about gender (like SD_Dave, pointing out that Gates wife could have changed the locks…) you see gender.
I think about academics, so I think sheepish university professor trying to get out of the water cooler gossip on Monday.
Not all cops are bad. To stereotype cops is to perpetuate the prejudice that gets us upset AT the cops in the first place.
This is very true.Or (and I’ve been in this situation, from the child’s side) Gates could have had a restraining order against him for child abuse.
Then how about speaking about the Salt Lake Couplearrested while walking on a public thoroughfare that the city (il)legally handed over at the insistance of the LDS church?
Oops, I forgot, homophobia is an acceptable prejudice.
He refused twicethen only provided his University ID, then blew up at the cop when he called into VERIFY the ID, which is what led to him getting arrested.
The report is pretty clear.
They revoked your gay card, Kevin?I remember when that happened to me a few times…
I always managed to get a new one…
You’ve forgotten one thing, dearTHE FUCKING GUN
And yes, when a white person with a gun and a badge accuses a black person of something he did not do it is ALWAYS ABOUT RACE.
I recommend you read any of Dr. Gates’ books and get back to me about planet crazy.
I thought you claimed to have left all that Marxist-Maoist Revolutionary Socialism behind you?I guess that didn’t include their sexism, did it? Dear.
Now run along and try out your sweeping, unsupported generalities out on someone else.
I keep a spare gay cardin my back pocket at all times, Maura.
He-heOh, that little comment is going to comeback to bite Obama in the ass if I have anything to say about it.
For example, since he truly supports civil unions, why wasn’t Obama a more vocal voice behind the civil unions bill here in Illinois? Now that’s a local issue that Obama absolutely agrees with.
But, of course, homophobia is an acceptable prejudice since it’s based in religion and Obama just doesn’t want to piss them off. You’re right, Maura.
tee-heeYour rapid accusation of sexism in the context of these Gates threads is absolutely hilarious, and kind of speaks for itself. I actually feel my argument completely vindicated now.
But sorry, that wasn’t sexism, it was condescension to your creepily passive aggressive white resentment. Do enjoy my blog though.
I haven’t heard anyone, here or anywhere, talk about the neighbor who called the police.All the heat is on Obama and Gates, and not on this woman who didn’t recognize her neighbor. It fits the bill of nearly every “suspicious person” police call, where typically an older white woman sees a black man, usually younger, just existing in the neighborhood. But this is an old man, and the homeowner. And this woman didn’t know who he was, when he lives there? Presumably she never speaks to him, presumably because he’s black and she’s white. No matter how much wealth or college bennies Gates has, there’s still no neighborliness or community for a black man who moves into a rich white neighborhood. That to me is just as troubling or more so than everything else, and nobody has said anything about it. As long as we’ve got Obama, Gates, and the cop taking the heat because their actions are seen as more powerful or threatening, nobody questions the woman who made the phone call. Doesn’t this bother anyone else?
“Presumably”is the backbone of all this misunderstanding in the first place.
The neighbor is in a bind…she may be a recluse, she may be a racist…how do we know for certain. I don’t know all of my neighbors, black or white.
Maybe she didn’t get a clear view? Maybe she can’t see well?
Maybe trying to break into your own house looks bad, regardless of your color?
I agree that it is very bothersome that she is not being asked these questions in the public eye.
Judging from the responses of people in this country, we are ALL very quick to judge another for fault, without asking many, many, more questions than we have been.