CNN anchor and special correspondent Soledad O’Brien snared an exclusive with Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates about his “encounter” with Cambride police when he was arrested in his own home the other day (see my post “Unjamming your front door while black?”). The interview was during Moment of Truth: Countdown to Black in America 2; during the discussion Prof. Gates indicated that he may pursue legal action. President Obama was asked about the incident during the presser tonight, and he said that “the Cambridge police acted stupidly” for arresting the Harvard prof in his own home, and made note of the fact that racial profiling is a concern and that law enforcement agencies have to work to combat the biases that contribute to incidents like this.

The Blend has obtained a rush transcript from CNN of the interview. Here is an excerpt with the full text below the fold.

O'BRIEN: I've got to tell you, to see — I mean, Professor Gates, I had him in college. And you know, to have that shot, your mug shot, it is quite a shock to see. What was that moment like for you?

GATES: It was terrifying. And I realized…

O'BRIEN: Were you afraid?

GATES: I knew that I was in danger but I knew, too, that as soon as my friends could get to jail, starting with Professor Charles Ogletree, who is my friend and lawyer, that eventually I would be OK.

But what it made me realize was how vulnerable all black men are, how vulnerable all people of color are and all poor people to capricious forces like a rogue policeman. And this man clearly was a rogue policeman.

O'BRIEN: The police report said he described you as behaving in a tumultuous manner.

GATES: Yes, look how tumultuous I am. I'm 5'7″, I weigh 150 pounds. And my tumultuous, outrageous action, Tom, was to demand that he give me his name and his badge number. Soledad, why? Because if I had stepped out on the porch — it is important for all people to know this about the police.

If I had stepped outside of my house, he couldn't come in my house legally without a warrant. He couldn't arrest me without a warrant. Had I stepped outside he would have slapped handcuffs on me for being under suspicion of breaking and entering because he was responding to a profile.

Two black men with backpacks were breaking and entering into my home. And when he see me, he just presumed that one of them was me.

O'BRIEN: A neighbor called 911. I mean, it was a neighbor of yours who said that description, two black men breaking into your house. Are you angry with your neighbor?

GATES: No. In fact I hope right now that if someone is breaking into my house this nice lady is calling the police. I have a lot of valuable art and books in that house. And in fact, I think I'm going to send this person some flowers. I hope she is watching. I know that she must be intimidated and she must think that I'm very angry.

It wasn't her fault. It was the fault of the policeman who couldn't understand a black man standing up for his rights right in his space. And that's what I did. And I would do the same thing exactly again.

SOLEDAD O'BRIEN, HOST: The charges were dropped?

PROF. HENRY LOUIS GATES JR., ALPHONSE FLETCHER UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR, HARVARD: Charges were dropped and the mayor of Cambridge, God bless her, called me and apologized to me. And my lawyers and I are considering what further action. Because this is…

O'BRIEN: What does that mean? Does that mean lawsuit?

GATES: Perhaps. Because this is not about me. This is about the vulnerability of black men in America.

The full transcript:

SOLEDAD O'BRIEN, HOST:  And welcome to New York City's Times Square, everybody. As you can see, we're in front of a live audience literally smack-dab in the middle of Times Square. We have brought together this evening some of the most influential radio talk show hosts in the country.

And in turn, we have asked them to invite the most influential people who brought them to a life-changing moment of truth, is what we're calling it. It is just the beginning of a momentous night right here on CNN.

We're premiering CNN PRESENTS: “Black in America 2,” which is a look at the most challenging issues facing African-Americans, and also the solutions to those issues. Of course we're counting down to President Obama's prime time news conference. We could not have picked a more timely night to begin our discussion.

But here to get us started is Tom Joyner, his nationally syndicated –welcome, syndicated radio program, “The Tom Joyner Morning Show,” of course, heard by millions of folks every day.

Now the past few days, one story has really dominated the conversation on his program. Take a listen to a little bit of what they were talking about.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TOM JOYNER, HOST, “THE TOM JOYNER MORNING SHOW”: So, the professor of African-American studies at Harvard University was arrested because a neighbor…

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Really truly arrested?

JOYNER: Arrested.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Handcuffed.

JOYNER: The Cambridge police came to the door and said, identify yourself. And he said, why? Because I'm a black man in America?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O'BRIEN: The man they're talking about also happens to be the most influential person in Tom Joyner's life. So please welcome in his first TV appearance since the arrest, Professor Henry Louis Gates joining us.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

O'BRIEN: Tom and Professor Gates, nice to have you both.

HENRY LOUIS GATES JR., ALPHONSE FLETCHER UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR, HARVARD UNIVERSITY: Thanks, Soledad.

O'BRIEN: You sort of had your own moment of truth over recent days. So I'd like to start with that. We know that you were on a lengthy trip to China and you were returning home. What exactly happened?

GATES: Well, I was filming my new documentary series for PBS called “Faces of Americans,” it's about immigration. And we were filming Yo-Yo Ma's ancestral cemetery for a week in China. It was fantastic. And my daughter and I — I took my daughter along. And we had just flown back from China.

I came from New York to Boston. And my driver picked me up. We got to my house in Harvard Square and the door was jammed. The door wouldn't open. And to make a long story short, I asked my driver just sort of to push the door through. I gave him his tip, he left.

I called Harvard Real Estate, which does the maintenance on my house because they own the house. And while I was on the phone, a Cambridge policeman showed up on my porch. I walked with the phone still active to my porch and he demanded that I step out of my house on to the porch.

That's all he said. He said, I would like to you step outside. I said, absolutely not. I said, why are you here? He said, I'm investigating a breaking and entering charge. I said, this is my house, I'm a Harvard professor, I live here.

He said, can you prove it? I said, just a minute. I turned my back. I walked into the kitchen to get my Harvard ID and my Massachusetts driver's license. He followed me without my permission. I gave him the two IDs and I demanded to know his name and his badge number.

O'BRIEN: And when you demanded that, what did he say?

GATES: He wouldn&#3
9;t say anything. He was just very upset. He was trying to figure out who I was. He was looking at the ID. He didn't say anything. And I said, why are you not responding to me? Are you not responding to me because you're a white police officer and I'm a black man?

He turned, walked out — turned his back on me, walked out. I followed him on to my porch. It looked like a police convention, there were so many policemen outside. I stepped out on my porch and said, I want to know your colleague's name and his badge number.

And this officer said, thank you for accommodating my earlier request, you are under arrest. And he slapped handcuffs on me and they took me to jail.

O'BRIEN: Originally they put the handcuffs behind your back.

GATES: They put the handcuffs behind my back. And I told them that I was handicapped, I used a cane. They had a debate. There was a black officer there who was very sensitive. He persuaded them to move the handcuffs from around the back to the front. They took me to the Cambridge Police station and booked me, fingerprints, mug shot, which has now been all over the universe.

O'BRIEN: I've got to tell you, to see — I mean, Professor Gates, I had him in college. And you know, to have that shot, your mug shot, it is quite a shock to see. What was that moment like for you?

GATES: It was terrifying. And I realized…

O'BRIEN: Were you afraid?

GATES: I knew that I was in danger but I knew, too, that as soon as my friends could get to jail, starting with Professor Charles Ogletree, who is my friend and lawyer, that eventually I would be OK.

But what it made me realize was how vulnerable all black men are, how vulnerable all people of color are and all poor people to capricious forces like a rogue policeman. And this man clearly was a rogue policeman.

O'BRIEN: The police report said he described you as behaving in a tumultuous manner.

GATES: Yes, look how tumultuous I am. I'm 5'7″, I weigh 150 pounds. And my tumultuous, outrageous action, Tom, was to demand that he give me his name and his badge number. Soledad, why? Because if I had stepped out on the porch — it is important for all people to know this about the police.

If I had stepped outside of my house, he couldn't come in my house legally without a warrant. He couldn't arrest me without a warrant. Had I stepped outside he would have slapped handcuffs on me for being under suspicion of breaking and entering because he was responding to a profile.

Two black men with backpacks were breaking and entering into my home. And when he see me, he just presumed that one of them was me.

O'BRIEN: A neighbor called 911. I mean, it was a neighbor of yours who said that description, two black men breaking into your house. Are you angry with your neighbor?

GATES: No. In fact I hope right now that if someone is breaking into my house this nice lady is calling the police. I have a lot of valuable art and books in that house. And in fact, I think I'm going to send this person some flowers. I hope she is watching. I know that she must be intimidated and she must think that I'm very angry.

It wasn't her fault. It was the fault of the policeman who couldn't understand a black man standing up for his rights right in his space. And that's what I did. And I would do the same thing exactly again.

O'BRIEN: The charges were dropped.

GATES: Charges were dropped and the mayor of Cambridge, God bless her, called me and apologized to me. And my lawyers and I are considering what further action. Because this is…

O'BRIEN: What does that mean? Does that mean lawsuit?

GATES: Perhaps. Because this is not about me. This is about the vulnerability of black men in America.

O'BRIEN: You know, you raise an interesting point. And again, the reason you were originally here was to talk to being the inspiration for Tom Joyner. You helped Tom Joyner track down part of his history that brings us right back to the vulnerability of African-American men, but many, many years prior to your situation.

GATES: Almost a century ago, Tom's great uncles, Tom and Meeks Griffin (ph) were electrocuted on September 29, 1915, in South Carolina for a crime — for murdering a white man, a Confederate veteran, for a crime that they most certainly did not commit. And we are filing papers to the governor of South Carolina, who has been rather busy lately, hasn't responded to my — to our case.

O'BRIEN: Yes. We heard about him in the news too.

GATES: I think he took your petition to South America somewhere. But we're going to get them exonerated. It is a terrible, terrible story.

O'BRIEN: What was — what did it feel like? I mean, all this was done with the DNA testing. And really your passion has been to sort of fill in the blanks of the story of African-Americans. You do that on PBS. You do that in your work. You do that in your research. You do that in the DNA testing.

It was incredibly emotional for you to know the people you came from.

JOYNER: Yes.

O'BRIEN: Why?

JOYNER: First of all, when you asked me to do this, and you asked, name someone who has been very influential in your life, this was three weeks ago, not knowing that what happened to Dr. Gates would have happened and making him the star of this whole “Black in America 2″ show today.

Every day that I go into my studio, I have the books that he gave me about my ancestry.

O'BRIEN: Tracing your history.

JOYNER: And like the log at the Apollo, just for good luck, when I walk into my studio, I rub these books, because that makes me realize that no matter how much of a struggle that I might be going through, that my ancestors went through a larger struggle.

And that we have come — we've come a long way and Dr. Gates and the incident reminds us that we still have a long way to go.

O'BRIEN: Why is it so important that black people know where they come from? I mean, a lot of your passion, Professor Gates, is in making that connection. And when people discover who they come from, they freaked out.

JOYNER: You get fired up. You get fired up. I know it did for me.

O'BRIEN: What did it do for you?

JOYNER: It did for me. When he showed me where I came from and the people that came before me, the shoulders that I stand on, my ancestry, it was inspirational to me. Now all of you out there in this audience, out there in the audience — the TV audience, I strongly recommend that you do the very same thing.

And no matter how tough things seem to be, if you can look back and see what your ancestors went through and where you came from, you will be much better as a person. And you will say, hmm, you know?

O'BRIEN: Why does it change people, Professor Gates? Why do they have this visceral emotional reaction to knowing something that happened many decades prior?

GATES: Because our ancestors' identity systematically, systematically robbed from us. The identity of our ancestors, our collective history, and our individual history. And when I, using a team of genealogists out of Utah, thank God for the Mormons who have done all of this — gathered all of these records.

When we give people their family tree back, they all cry. Whether it was Oprah Winfrey, whether it was Chris Tucker, Chris Rock, Tom Joyner, they all cry because the lost have been found.

It's like thinking heretofore that you were floating on air without any roots. Zora Neale Hurston said we were a people — we were branches without roots. But we are branche
s based on roots, and each of us has to do our own family tree. Each of us has to restore the lost ancestors back to slavery. And collectively we could tell a new tale of the history of the African-American people as a group, as a community.

O'BRIEN: You have offered to fill in some of the blanks for that police officer who helped himself into your house and arrested you. And you've said you want an apology. Have you had an apology yet?

GATES: I haven't heard from Sergeant Crowley. I would be prepared to listen to him. If I were convinced that — if he would tell the truth about what he did, about the distortions that he fabricated in the police report, I would be prepared as a human being to forgive him.

That would not deter me from using this as an educational opportunity for America. Because if this can happen to me in Harvard Square, this can happen to anybody in the United States. And I'm determined that it never happen to anybody again.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

O'BRIEN: Gentlemen, I thank you both.

Click over for an essay by Georgetown University Professor Michael Eric Dyson, “Professor arrested for 'housing while black.'”