crossposted on Holy Bullies and Headless Monsters
I am an old school man. I remember when rap music first came out. I remember the Sugar Hill Gang, the first female rap group called Sequence, and I definitely remmber when Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five came out with the first socially conscious rap song called The Message.
Since that time, I have tuned out and with good reason. Rap music and the genre that it helped to spawn, hip-hop, has done some incredible things lyrically but rap stars give me a huge pause.
Like the one called Cam'ron.
I don't know Cam'ron and I have never heard of his music, but he seems to have started something ugly regarding lgbts. It's gotten so extreme that a Fox News contributor (of all people) has stepped in to speak against it:
Fox News political contributor Dr. Marc Lamont Hill wants to put an end to the pop culture catchphrase “no homo.”
“No homo” was originated by rap star Cam'ron, who had an affinity for wearing anything pink but didn't want it to be perceived as gay.
Since being made popular by Cam'ron and his Dipset hip-hop crew, the expression has evolved into a ubiquitous slang term used to chase any phrase, action or idea that could be perceived as gay.
Apparently, the article says, anything that is perceived as gay is perceived as weak.
Now I know some people are going to start bashing, but let's not as of yet. Rock music has a stereotype of being vulgar and country music has a stereotype of being to the political right of Genghis Khan (remember what happened to the Dixie Chicks).
Personally, I think this “No Homo” nonsense hits on something about the black community that very few people want to realize.
We hear that the black community opposes homosexuality because of religious beliefs.
That's a dodge.
There are too many folks in the black community who break other Biblical commandments without pause. There is too much sex before marriage, too many illegitimate births, and too many off-the-shoulder dresses, fake hair, and fake nails at black gospel awards shows for so-called sanctified people to start pointing fingers at lgbts.
There are also too many gays and lesbians in the church and the pulpit for homosexuality to be considered the so-called sin of the ages. Everyone knows it but as long as no one “names it,” no one has to “claim it.”
Some in the black community feel that homosexuality is a threat because it threatens the gender roles that many in the black community have staked out for our men and women.
You know what I'm talking about. The strong brother who is supposed “to help the sista out.” Or the hot and sexy black woman who “is fixing her hair to go out and scope at the club for a man.”
This perceived idea is ridiculous. It reduces the black man and woman to plastic objects or commodities. Lgbts in the black community are considered a threat because by our very existence we question these ridiculous roles. We make some in the black community question themselves. And apparently they don't like what they see.
But this isn't our fault.
And to a measure, it's not the fault of hip-hop. By it's stark directness, hip-hop is merely bringing the problem to the forefront.
So maybe in talking about how the black community perceives homosexuality, we have been moving in the wrong direction. I don't know.
But I do know that there is a lot to be discussed regarding gender roles and sexual orientation in the black community if only someone would have the guts to initiate the conversation.



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No homo?What is this, 2003?
Thanks AlvinAnd you’re right, it isn’t our fault (black LGBT’s that is). The straight black community (by and large) needs to get over themselves.
Fox News?I’m not sure why Fox brought this up. Cam’ron hasn’t had a hit since 2002! He’s a nobody. Who cares what he thinks?
There are a lot of really positive people in hip hop who are overshadowed by these kinds of idiots. I think it’s a shame that we don’t hear more about the more “conscious” side of hip hop.
Talk about a bunch a drivel…Here’s a thought, how about we pick the two most plausibly unpopular minorities in the United States and allow them to play up their eccentricities to the point where they begin to believe that they are so different from the wider community that they can’t possibly have the exact same motivations for bigotry in their own communities. Then we isolate their issues to the point that they are forced to compete on a level of importance to the point where they are in a proverbial chicken fight for individual identity.
The truth is that the more things change, the more they stay the same. The gay community is not the new black but they are definitely one of the communities in the running for the title of “new nigga”. Of course they will have to compete hard with growing arab, muslim, or land-border immigrant communities. However, we remain ahead on the platform of civil rights as a community.
The down side is that unlike many other communities we seem to be so very effective not only in the black community but in communities across the board as popular scapegoats not only to the gods of sexual identity but to God himself. As if by throwing the rights and lives of gays on the fire will somehow commute the grand sins of other communities. So I wouldn’t count out the religiosity and ability of minority communities to subvert our position in order to raise the appeal level of their own, However I think that attitude is across the board in religious, political, and racial communities and is definitely not restricted to be ing a black thang.
I’m more concerned about anti-gay ReggaeSeems there is more hate coming out of Jamaican Reggae music than American hip-hop.
Just my opinionWhen any male of any color, feels he has to prove his “manliness” by pushing down those who do not conform to this “code” of masculinity, homophobia and extreme sexism are the result.
Perceived femininity in males is grounds for hatred, and violence.
Women who go along with this are securing their own place in this system, too. Women are supposed to be unequal, due to their imposed femininity; yet conforming to it secures a nominally safe place from violence.
Now, if a male of any ethnicity feels that he has been robbed of his masculinity, he will respond with violence. History is far too rife with examples to deny this.
I definitely understand this new perspectiveabout blacks having views because of preceived gender roles rather than religion. I have had black friends before but I’ve never really been out to them nor did I bring up the subject.
Anyways, I have two female black friends at work. They are both ok with me being gay. But both have made jokes about effeminate gay men. One has even made comments about being annoyed with me if I happen to do something “gay-acting”.
There is another gay guy in the office who acts stereotypical (I wouldn’t call him effeminate though but he’s soft spoken and has a lilt to his voice). And the girl who made the comments talked to him and made the comment to me that she likes her men “more masculine” and that’s why she could stand me (maybe not the last part explicitly but it was implied or indirectly stated).
Even today she mentioned her fingernails were too long and I agreed saying “I couldn’t stand my nails being that long.” She responded with “Well yeah guys shouldn’t have nails this long”
I almost corrected her but didn’t and now I realize why it bothers me. She is very strict about things guys should and shouldn’t do. I would like to bring this up to her but don’t want to offend her. Is there a way to bring this up?
There are plenty of Eminem’s out thereThis is not an African American issue. It is more of an issue of young guys trying to appear tough through gay bashing language.
Also, there is just as much homophobia in Country music as Rap and Hip Hop. For example, John Rich of Big & Rich is a HUGE homophobe.
Boy, things have changed
My stepdad’s nails were always longer than my Mom’s and he took better care of them, too. (He still does.)
Be direct and tell your friend that you felt that her comment was homophobic. If it costs you your friendship, then she was never your friend in the first place.
Can we take the “black” out of your scenario for a minute?What would you have responded to these “friends” if they were white and had made the same remarks? Why would there be any difference?
Of course it’s not just an African-American issueThe point is the hypocrisy. On the one hand, blacks and other ethnic minorities rightly detest the discrimination visited upon them by white mainstream society.
…Then on the other hand, they turn around and put that discrimination on another group of people outside of the mainstream for the same reasons that other bigots have. The reasons: “you people” are not like me/us, “you people” are a problem, “you people’s” existence makes me uncomfortable, “you people” are taking jobs/space/sexual partners, etc. away from “us”, “you people” are morally/biologically/spiritually, etc. inferior, “you people” deserve assault/death/maiming for being alive and visible, so on and so forth. Every group that has been marginalized by a mainstream has had those accusations thrown at them in the exact same words; the only difference is the group under attack.
And don’t even get me started on the statements I have heard some African-Americans make, as recently as yesterday at a repast, about Latin immigration. Notably, when I walked into the room, the conversation came to a halt. Hmm.
LOL! You’ve heard of hypocrisy, right? Hate breeds hypocrisy and so long as one can put another person in a spotlight of criticism, they can continue their misdeeds in the dark.
Ah, blacks v. Latinos and Latin immigrationNow that gets to be a very sore subject with me, maybe even sorer than the black/gay divide because it gets to the point where it’s out and out racism.
I don’t really buy Black homobigotry is all church-basedPart of the problem Black community had with gays, and transexuals…not as much with lesbians that I witnessed.
There was a very high incidence of bisexuals, or gay hustlers, or situational gays, and tons of Black drag queens. I think the drag queens, was partially because they had more talent, were easier to transform with less body and facial hair, and the men had hips which enhanced the look of female. Nearly all the very sucessful drag queens in the Twin Cities were Black in the 70′s.
Blacks hustling is no different than female prostitution, which was common path out of poverty. Black teens in Juvenile system start early in situational sex, and the prettier weaker partner is raped.
Agreed!My jaw dropped the first time I heard those statements about Latin immigration from a black person. What’s interesting about my experience yesterday is that I just look Latin thanks to both of my parents having racial mixture. I’ve had plenty of experiences like that.
Propositions 8 and 22 wasn’t the first timewasn’t the first time that black people in California voted against other minorities. If I remember correctly, 66% of the black community in California voted for Prop 187 and a similar percentage voted for Prop 227-I need to double check that to be sure, but I have read those percentages somewhere.
That is the coolest name!But where is Pericles?
Hee!I could kiss you for actually knowing who Aspasia was! **smooch**
Pericles is at home going over that speech I wrote for him.
Yeah i think it would have been differentI wanted to correct her but honestly I didn’t want to waste time. She’s very stubborn. The problem is that although she’s ok with gay but also cares more about adhering to certain gender norms.