Update: H/T to Law Dork who provides a link to the complaint and has a summary of the AG’s press conference. Highlights and reactions from various organizations at bottom of post.
In a case led by Attorney General Martha Coakley, The Commonwealth of Massachusetts is suing the US federal government, calling Section 3 of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) unconstitutional. The case is called Commonwealth v. United States Department of Health and Human ServicesMassachusetts, the first state in the nation to legalize gay marriage, has become the first to challenge the constitutionality of a federal law that defines marriage as the union of a man and a woman, saying Congress intruded into a matter that should be left to individual states.“In enacting DOMA [the Defense of Marriage Act], Congress overstepped its authority, undermined states’ efforts to recognize marriages between same-sex couples, and codified an animus towards gay and lesbian people,” the state said in a lawsuit filed today in US District Court in Massachusetts.
The suit said that more than 16,000 same-sex couples have married in Massachusetts since gay marriage became legal in the state in 2004 “and the security and stability of families has been strengthened in important ways throughout the state.”
“Despite these developments, same-sex couples in Massachusetts are still denied essential rights and protections because the federal Defense of Marriage Act [DOMA] interferes with the Commonwealth’s authority to define and regulate marriage,” the lawsuit said.
Similar to the GLAD lawsuit, the Massachusetts suit is reportedly only challenging DOMA’s Section 3, which says
SEC. 3. DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE.(a) IN GENERAL- Chapter 1 of title 1, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:
`Sec. 7. Definition of `marriage’ and `spouse’
`In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the word `marriage’ means only a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife, and the word `spouse’ refers only to a person of the opposite sex who is a husband or a wife.’.
(b) CLERICAL AMENDMENT- The table of sections at the beginning of chapter 1 of title 1, United States Code, is amended by inserting after the item relating to section 6 the following new item:
`7. Definition of `marriage’ and `spouse’.’.
In other words, it says that for the purposes of federal-level rights, responsibilities and benefits, only married heterosexuals need apply.
The Boston Globe reports that the basis of the challenge is the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution, which states The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. and Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution, which limits the power of Congress to matters of taxation and providing for the “common defense and general welfare” of the country.
Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders (GLAD) already has a lawsuit cooking against DOMA Section 3 called Gill v. Office of Personnel Management. Not surprisingly, GLAD is praising the Commonwealth for entering the game.
In filing Commonwealth v. United States Department of Health and Human Services, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and Attorney General Martha Coakley today uphold the Commonwealth’s long tradition as a national civil rights leader and take a major step towards ensuring that all its citizens are treated equally by the federal government. We applaud the Commonwealth’s move to protect legally married same-sex couples from the harms caused by federal discrimination.Section 3 of the so-called Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) represents an unprecedented intrusion by the federal government into the traditional and historical power of the states to make determinations of marital status. By refusing to recognize any marriage of same-sex couples-and by denying these couples access to all federal rights, protections and responsibilities related to marriage-the federal government steps in and overrides these state-sanctioned marriages. The Commonwealth’s lawsuit seeks to uphold the traditional division of power between the federal and state governments as it has always been regarding marriage.
Same-sex couples have been marrying in Massachusetts for over five years. In March 2009, GLAD filed its own challenge to Section 3 of DOMA on behalf of six married same-sex couples and three men whose spouses had died. The issues in Gill v. Office of Personnel Management involve federal income taxes, Social Security, and federal employees’ and retirees’ benefits.
The federal government should treat these Massachusetts couples-and all married same-sex couples-the same as any other legally married couple, with all the benefits, protections and responsibilities that come with marriage. It’s a simple matter of fairness and equality. We have never had first and second-class marriages in this country. We should not start now.
Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders is New England’s leading legal organization working to end discrimination based on sexual orientation, HIV status, and gender identity and expression.
For complete information about GLAD’s DOMA Section 3 challenge, visit www.glad.org/doma.
Further information is expected from AG Coakley’s office this afternoon.
Obama’s Department of Justice had better get it right this time. If the DNC thought pissing of the gAyTM was a disaster, imagine pissing of The Cradle of Liberty.
Reaction…
HRC:
The Human Rights Campaign, the nation’s largest lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender civil rights organization, today commends the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and Attorney General Martha Coakley for filing a federal challenge to the Defense of Marriage Act (“DOMA”), which denies thousands of married same-sex couples in Massachusetts access to over 1,000 federal protections, benefits and obligations. This lawsuit, which names the United States and the Secretaries and Departments of Veterans affairs and Health and Human Services as defendants, marks the first time that a state has challenged the federal government’s discriminatory treatment of its LGBT citizens.The complaint in Commonwealth of Massachusetts v. Department of Health and Human Services et al points out that discrimination against same-sex married couples bears no nexus to the purposes of federal programs like Medicaid.
“The Commonwealth has presented the court with the stark facts of discrimination that should finally spell the end of DOMA,” said Human Rights Campaign President Joe Solmonese. “Excluding our families from equal protections never had anything to do with promoting a legitimate interest, and has everything to do with discrimination.”
“DOMA was wrong, discriminatory and mean-spirited when it was enacted in 1996, and today it stands between thousands of married couples and the equal protections they deserve,” Solmonese said. “We applaud the Commonwealth of Massachusetts for stepping forward on behalf of these families and saying, in essence, ‘enough is enough.’ Now it is time for the federal government to take affirmative steps to challenge and repeal this discriminatory law that causes real harm to loving, married couples and their children.”
Kentucky Equality Federation applauds the Commonwealth of Massachusetts for suing the U.S. government for intruding on states’ rights with the 1996 federal Defense of Marriage Act,” stated Kentucky Equality Federation President Jordan Palmer. ”This is a step in the right direction, a state [instead of its citizens] has said enough is enough; we demand full liberty and equality for our citizens now.”
Barney Frank’s office released this statement:
“Martha Coakley’s decision to join the lawsuit against the part of The Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) that denies federal recognition of thousands of valid Massachusetts marriages deserves the support and gratitude of all of the state’s residents.This is an important example of the legitimate use of the law both on behalf of the principle and the rights of tens of thousands of citizens of the Commonwealth.
I will be particularly interested to see how conservative defenders of states’ rights rebut Attorney General Coakley’s cogent argument of our rights as a state to defend marriage which has been cast aside by this law that she has challenged.”
BiNet USA immediately repeated it’s support of any action that would result in the ultimate removal of DOMA, President Gary North saying “we applaud the action”.
Law Dork has provided a summary of the AG’s news conference. Highlights are
Coakley begins by saying that the words of John Adams, in Massachusetts’ constitution, were determined in 2004 to mean that marriage must be available to all couples regardless of sexual orientation. After five years of living that experience, today, Massachusetts filed a lawsuit in federal District Court challenging Section 3 of DOMA.Coakley gave three reasons for the suit:
1. DOMA created a federal definition of marriage, directly interfering with Massachusetts’ longstanding soverign authority to determine who it determines are “married” under federal law.
2. DOMA is a discriminatory law.
3. DOMA places Mass. in the position of choosing whether to adapt its programs to fit federal law, but if it does so, it limits the ability of Mass. residents to have full equality under Mass. programs….Among the commonwealth-specific harms Coakley cited are:
* The commonwealth is affected when it provides health benefits because same-sex couples who choose to receive them are tax on those partners’ benefits, which “frankly creates a paperwork nightmare.” She referred repeatedly to the “two-tiered” system the state had to create after 2004 as a result of DOMA.
* DOMA requires that Mass treats individuals differently under public medical benefits like Medicaid and Medicare.
* Mass. cannot inter the same-sex spouses of military veterans in federal military burial locations….DOMA also violates the Spending Clause, the suit alleges. One clear limitation is that Congress cannot compel the states to violate its states’ citizens state constitutional rights. This is interesting because it is something that is far more effectively raised by a state than any private party.
Law Dork quotes Coakley as saying that MA is open to the idea of consolidatin this suit with GLAD’s Gill suit. Read the whole report, with LD’s reactions, here.



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others?I wonder if CT’s AG, or NH, VT, Jerry Brown, or Andrew Coumo for that matter since NY recognizes (so far) out-of-state marriages, will join MA.
Thoughts?
This is fantastic news!I don’t mean to take anything away from the individuals and organizations who have filed suits against DOMA before now. They deserve all the credit and support we can give them. But having a state do this will make it that much harder for the political and media establishments–and the courts–to keep brushing the issues aside. As suigenerousla points out, we need to hope other states join the suit or file similar ones of their own. And if there’s some way to pressure them to do so, we need to act!
Massachusetts in a State of RebellionEver since the Boston Tea Party, Massachusetts has been in a near constant state of rebellion.
It makes me so proud to be a native son!
Love it!Give ‘em Hell, GLAD!!!
It’s been done beforeThe eastern seaboard/Marriage Equality states have sued the federal government before, over the gutting of the Clean Air Act. There’s no reason CT, NH, and VT can’t climb on board this train. New Englanders are a singularly cranky lot, and need to call their Governor’s and AG’s offices to express support for joining the lawsuit. Not sure how that would go in CT, since Jodi Rell is a bigot, but it’s worth making the noise.
I love how “cranky” they are though!Nothing like good ole curmudgeons to make my day!
That’s my state!One of the many reasons why I LOVE MASSACHUSETTS!
I’ve never been…but I agree with you 100%. Massachusetts has the guts to move forward!
Yes!Go Coakley! Go Massachusetts!
Now THAT’s my tax dollars at work!!Thank you Gov. Patrick and AG Coakley!
Goddam I love my state.
This cranky Vermonterjust sent this note to the VT Attorney General’s office:
I’ll be encouraging others to do the same!
i wouldn’t necessarily expect it but…there is nothing keeping non-marriage equality states from joining this lawsuit. in fact, the ones crying “states right” loudest should be the first to sign on. just sayin.
Took the words right out of my mouth…Not to mention all those Republicans who are always decrying States Rights!
Lurleen, you are so sillyYou know perfectly well that Republicans are always the ones screaming about “States’ rights” unless it’s about Teh Ghey or Teh Wimminz. Then they change their tune and shriek about federal amendments. Dems advocate for stronger action from the federal government unless it’s about Teh Ghey or Teh Wimminz, then they hide under the table, curl into the fetal position, and wail, “States’ rights! States’ rights!”
Don’t stop there!!!The AGs can’t climb on this bandwagon unless the governor says to do so, so get on those phone calls to the governors’ offices! Call your State Rep and State Senators and tell THEM you support your AG becoming a party to this suit and to convey that message to the Governor. Get the phone trees working. The more officials hear about this the better.
that’s actually a bit of my concernI am so happy that MA is doing this but am a little worried that the pro h8 states will interpret the 10th amendment to ensure that the can outlaw SSM and could, perhaps, be used to deny federal rights associated with marriage to SS couples married in other states who reside in states where SSM is prohibited. Can any legal folks out there clue me in on this?
A First!This might be the first time a state’s rights argument has been used to expand human rights instead of denying them. The “conservative” justices heads will explode.
This is a very valid arguement they have raised – cant wait for the defense.
Bear in mind that the suit is against the Federal Government, and the reply has to be drafted by the Justice Department (or as Sarah Palin calls it “the Law department”)
This lawsuit, which names the United States and the Secretaries and Departments of Veterans affairs and Health and Human Services as defendants, marks the first time that a state has challenged the federal government’s discriminatory treatment of its LGBT citizens
The basis of the argument falls squarely upon the “Equal Protection” clause, and I just do not see a lucid counter arguement that can show DOMA and its repurcussions as being in any way ‘equal’.
This is going to be a very exotic game of linguistic and legal ‘twister’ for the Feds.
Just off the top of my headIf this particular suit is successful, it won’t matter if you were married in Massachusetts and live in Nebraska. Because this suit is specifically about section III of DOMA, which is the federal recognition part, all that will happen is you’ll be eligible for federal benefits, and Nebraska still won’t have to recognize your marriage at the state level. States which refuse to recognize won’t be affected because it’s a different jurisdiction, federal vs. state. In order to overturn that part of DOMA, section II would also have to go.
Text of DOMA is here:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/…
So proudto be living in Massachusetts! BTW, about 70% of the comments on boston.com are positive, with the remaining 30% consisting of the predictable “marriage is meant for procreation” and “this is a waste of taxpayer dollars” idiots. As if LGBT people don’t pay taxes.
Hey!I resemble that remark!
God Bless Massachusetts!!and I’m an atheist. LOL!
And thenthey can sue in their home state because they have a legally valid marrigae license recognized by the federal government but not in their state – thereby creating another form of seperate and unequal?
Legal geeks: any thoughts on that?
but no hate crime protectionI applaud the state of Massachusetts, and I hope they succeed. Are they working on a bill to protect the right to work and live safely no matter your sexual preference or gender identity?
It should workbut first we would need the precedent from this case.
PrecedentThat’s exactly what I wrote about in my blog today. When we have a precedent saying this separate treatment is unequal, we’ll have an easier time in the lower courts overturning bigot rulings.
Let’s hope we have a win here.
Here’s one stab at legal ‘twister’Kenneth Starr:
Wow I may have to leave the circus that is New York and move to the Bay State.
I lurv these people.
yes they aresee the current top post on the main page.
sexual orientation is already protected. gender identity and expression are in the works. consider donating to the cause, if you can, or let your bay state friends or family know about the pending legislation and ask them to ask their legislators to actively support it.
Exactly right LurleenThis needs to be positioned as a states rights issue. Let the GOPers explain why states rights do not apply here.
that point could have…….……been made and was about African American civil rights, particularly by Mormons I believe but it colapsed under it’s own weight………
someone should pin down….….Kelly Ayotte in NH and ask if she will join in this suit…….she’s about to resign to run for US Senate, pin her down on it now……..
Thanks for the heads up!Being way out here on the left coast I don’t often hear what is in the works in other state legislatures. I know a whole bunch of people in Mass. and I will be encouraging them to contact their respective representatives and let it be known everyone needs protection from hate crimes.
Of course, a loss will also set precedentIt took us almost twenty years to undo Bowers. MA damn well better know what they’re doing.
Religious freedomis an individual right. Constitutionally Government, including states, are suppose to be separate from religion.
ALL the arguments I’ve seen against DOMA are valid.That hasn’t stopped to Obama DOJ from defending it, and with the vilest arguments imaginable. Steve Hildebrand has been saying that Obama doesn’t like the “hate brief” but didn’t read it till after it was filed. (So where does the buck stop, then? And why has he still not he ordered them to amend it?) If he lets them defend against this suit in the same way–or at all, for that matter–I can’t imagine even the most dogged GLBT Obamabots will have the nerve to defend him. (Or am I being too optimistic?) His and his DOJ’s response to this will tell the whole story, won’t it?
So far, the emperor is not only not wearing any clothes, he’s been doing a gleeful fan dance. Let’s see if he continues to sing “Let Me Entertain You” to the religious right.
I understand taking the cynical view, but……How will a decision affirming that DOMA is in fact the law of the US, which is what ‘loss’ means in this context, make things worse?
Bowers didn’t make things worse or take 17 years to ‘undo’, either. Bowers had the practical effect of keeping blowjobs illegal in NC and 16 other states.
There’s an argument that decisions like Bowers, containing harsh and derogatory language that mocks our human dignity, are ‘legal setbacks’.
There’s also an argument that they’re irrelevant to our legal progress, despite how we attribute subsequent bad results in other courts to those ‘setbacks’.
Undoing precedent is difficultKeeping blowjobs illegal in 17 states had plenty of additional effects that no gay person should have to be reminded of. If we lose on these federal challenges, it could be another 20 years before get another chance. That’s a pretty big set back to most of us.
Okay, so you don’t know either.I was genuinely curious about whether someone had puzzled through the possible consequences of this cases and determined that anyone had anything to lose.
Sounds like that’s a no.
Aside from the additional 20 yearsthis has the potential to make it much harder to win on the state level. With the current court, I wonder if an unfavorable ruling here could become a means of undoing the favorable rulings we do have.
hmmmbut Xtians can still be bigots if they so choose and states (as well as the federal government) will still allow churches to refuse to provide the sacrament of marriage and/or recognize the marriage of any couple within the confines of their church.
Ummmm. . .My legal twister was sarcasm.
This puts Obama DOJ in further quandryHe must either defend DOMA or choose to state the DOJ believes that DOMA is unconstituional. If he chooses the latter, he would have to flip-flop on his position in the last brief. It seems Mr Obama has backed himself into a corner. This is good. He now knows we will f**king be pissed if he defends it but risks losing credibility with his Rick Warren fans if chooses not to.
gAyTMIn the name of Jesus, close down the gAyTM my brothers and sisters (as choir music plays softly in the background).
Finally…GLBT lawsuits have stopped asking for explanations and clarification in the nuances and mechanics of the law and have started to ask the obvious questions: Are we equal citizens deserving of equal rights or not? I guess now that we finally have a growing library of case law that says yes we are equal and deserving of rights lawyers have gotten bolder. Good Luck in this case, the West coast is right behind you with the new challenge to Proposition 8. Can’t wait to see what the Supreme Court of the United States does to either create real equality or shame the history of our generation forever.
Well, now we know where I get it from!As if there was ever any doubt…
Ifis the biggest little word in the English language.
What if we lose? Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. So long as we sit in terror of the possibility that we may not win, we will never even try. Those that give up in despair before the fight even begins are their own-and this community’s-worst enemy.
Think of it this way; say you were physically ill, and a doctor told you that there was a treament available-however, there is no guarantee it will work. There is even a possibility things could get worse. However, fi you do nothing at all, then death is certain. What do you do? Do you accept certain death, so as to rpeserve the potential until the moment of death? Or do you take the chance, roll those dice and see if maybe you can make it out alive?
I vote for life, and the courage to live. There is danger, yes, every crisis is marked by danger and the possibility of even better circumstances if that danger is faced and defeated. I will not lie and suggest that victory is guaranteed.
I will however suggest to you that defeat is absolutely guaranteed if you don’t even try.
Given the choice between the possibility of full equality-however slim-and certain inequality, I vote for taking the chance.
We could lose the suit. SCOTUS could rule against us. However, fi we continue to press on all levels of government, on all branches-Dredd Scott lost his case, and eventually Slavery was overthrown in spite of that. It took a hellish amount of struggle on all fronts, but it happened. And, we are better because it happened than if Dredd Scott had quivered in his boots and decided not to try for freedom, thereby tacitly endorsing his situation, as you are tacitly endorsing our situation by suggesting we should be afraid… AFRAID!.. of the possibility that we might fail.
Lilly Ledbetter was ruled against by SCOTUS. As a result, she herself never saw restitution for the discrimination she suffered. However, by pressing COTUS immediately afterward, she did win protection for all other women from that point forward. She looked beyond herself, she took the long view of history. She saw that, although she never got her money, there is no reason why other women should be so condemned because she was afraid of losing at SCOTUS.
If we lose at SCOTUS, we will appeal to the legislature-and currently married couples may have their marriages invalidated, only to remarry a few years later when COTUS overrides SCOTUS. And GLBT people not yet born will come into a world where they are free-because of that inconvenience, that small sacrifice we must make, for them, and for ourselves.
Stop your cowering. Get up off your knees and walk like a human being. We may lose-and the consequences of that loss, int he short term, may hurt alot. In the long term, we will prevail. Time is indeed on our side-the demographic that most actively opposes Equal Marriage is dying off every day, and the younger generation wants Equal Marriage. I have been to two rallies since Prop 8 passed-and they were mostly young people. The hecklers we got were all people in their 70′s by the looks of them. So yes, it may be a few painful years if we lose at SCOTUS. But we will win at COTUS as soon as those 70 year olds kick the bucket and those now 25 year olds, maybe by then 30 year olds, inform their legislators they cannot get re-elected without undoing the SCOTUS loss, as they did Lilly Ledbetter’s loss.
If
we lose
then
we try again.
Repeat as neccesary.
I never saidwe shouldn’t be trying. I do think this one has a good chance. My point is merely that we need to be prepared for all possible consequences. Going in blindly will do far more damage than doing nothing at all.
ha haI love it!
We know what the consequences areAnd the best way to respond to those consequences is to pressure the gov’t on all levels in all three branches, repeatedly, nonstop, never letting up, until they give in.
If SCOTUS upholds DOMA, then we are in exactly the same position we are in right now. We are no worse off than we already are. We then press COTUS and POTUS relentlessly to overturn SCOTUS, as well as every single state and local government, so if COTUS and POTUS fail us, we can still oveturn them by getting the majority of states to demand that DOMA be repealed.
We are not going to stop punching until they drop. Since we have nothing now, we have nothing to lose.
So why exactly are you posting all these comments about “Oh, we should be so AFRAID! Don’t you see how SCARY this is?”
If you were really a phoenix, you would not be so afraid of fire-since it only means you would be reborn from it later.
It is okay to be afraid, although you have little to fear, since a loss would not result in worse circumstances, merely the same circumstances we have now-after all, the current condition is that the federal gov,t does not recognize any GLBT marriage, and states do not have to recognize GLBT marriages from other states, that is what DOMA says-and since its an absolute thing like that, where no GLBT marriage is legal on the federal level-they can’t make it any worse. What, do you think maybe they’ll start not recognizing any marriages even more? Like they’ll double not recognize your marriage?
When you have nothing, you have nothing to lose.
They can’t demand the states sthat do recognize marriage equality not do so-this would not be even relevant to DOMA, which only deals with the federal government being restricted, and the states having the option of recognizing or not recognizing.
So what re you afraid of? And why are you trying to scare everyone else?
I wonder if maybe you are really a Republican who just came here to scare people into dropping the suit, so you can continue the status quo. What self-respecting GLBT person would go into such histrionics over such nonsense?
Quit your whining
We know what the consequences areAnd the best way to respond to those consequences is to pressure the gov’t on all levels in all three branches, repeatedly, nonstop, never letting up, until they give in.
If SCOTUS upholds DOMA, then we are in exactly the same position we are in right now. We are no worse off than we already are. We then press COTUS and POTUS relentlessly to overturn SCOTUS, as well as every single state and local government, so if COTUS and POTUS fail us, we can still oveturn them by getting the majority of states to demand that DOMA be repealed.
We are not going to stop punching until they drop. Since we have nothing now, we have nothing to lose.
So why exactly are you posting all these comments about “Oh, we should be so AFRAID! Don’t you see how SCARY this is?”
If you were really a phoenix, you would not be so afraid of fire-since it only means you would be reborn from it later.
It is okay to be afraid, although you have little to fear, since a loss would not result in worse circumstances, merely the same circumstances we have now-after all, the current condition is that the federal gov,t does not recognize any GLBT marriage, and states do not have to recognize GLBT marriages from other states, that is what DOMA says-and since its an absolute thing like that, where no GLBT marriage is legal on the federal level-they can’t make it any worse. What, do you think maybe they’ll start not recognizing any marriages even more? Like they’ll double not recognize your marriage?
When you have nothing, you have nothing to lose.
They can’t demand the states sthat do recognize marriage equality not do so-this would not be even relevant to DOMA, which only deals with the federal government being restricted, and the states having the option of recognizing or not recognizing.
So what re you afraid of? And why are you trying to scare everyone else?
I wonder if maybe you are really a Republican who just came here to scare people into dropping the suit, so you can continue the status quo. What self-respecting GLBT person would go into such histrionics over such nonsense?
Quit your whining
It’s not a fear of fireIt’s analizing the temperature and type of fire to find the proper method of putting it out. My comments are not “we should be so afraid”, they’re “this could happen, how can we stop it?” I would also call getting stuck in our current situation for even longer being worse off.
HOW would that be wose offSince by doing nothing at all, as you suggest we should, we would also be right where we are now for even longer?
I have already saidthat I am not advocating doing nothing. I am advocating planning for a potential negative outcome.
Then here’s the planIf we lose at SCOTUS
We try again
at COTUS, POTUS, every governor’s mansion and every State Legislature, every town council and every mayor’s office, all across the United States, unrelentingly, unflinchingly, we will take this matter before anyone that will listen to us
We will keep throwing punches, no matter how scary or how tired we get, no matter how ridiculed we may be for doing so
And eventually, we will knock them out.
And after that, we’re thoring the biggest wedding party the world has ever seen, and everyone, including you, are invited.
Since most Americans are at least not against us, and an increasingly substantial number are for us, you may want to go out and rent that tux now while you can get a good price. Won’t be many left after we win, because everyone’s gonna get hitched!
Not the firstIt is regularly – albeit usually unsuccessfully – used to attempt to allow states to decide for themselves on matters such as drug production/usage and the right to die.
It’s not as simple as you make it sound.Specific scenarios require specific plans. For a hypothetical example, if we lose this, and someone tries to use that precedent to undo Romer v Evens, will will require a strategy beyond what you describe. I would prefer we have such plans ready before we need them.
No, you’re looking for an excuse to failAnd you’re not fooling anyone.
Don’t put words in my mouth.I am stating that failure is an existing possibility and we need to be prepared for the potential consequences rather than get blindsided.
might be better to wait for her replacementNot sure of her position on this, but Ayotte is an anti-choice Republican and not particularly a friend to progressive causes of any sort AFAIK.
Nice thought…butThe best we can do, Jess, is an amicus brief. VT and MA are in different federal court circuits.
AMENI live by this motto “the riskiest thing you can do in life is to play it safe”. (This is my quote but the idea came from an anonymous source that I cannot pin down).
Think about it. My life’s biggest rewards have come when I have tossed caution to the wind, did my best research, set my positive intentions, and jumped off the cliff.
I feel the same way about this court case. I also fully believe that we will win.
And we don’t need you anywayWe are going to do this, whether you approve or don’t. Either way, you’re irrelevant here.
Can’t win if you don’t playThanks for the encouragement. I’m glad there are a few people int he community that aren’t complete chickenshits
RainbowI understand your fears and we all have them but I refuse to live my life ruled by fear. I would suggest you start doing the same.
Another motto I live by is this ‘Lead, follow or get out of my way’. As it applies here, if you are not at least going to support this fight, then get out of the way of those of us here who will.
Peace.
You’re putting words in my mouth again.I never said I disapprove. Again, I am merely stating that we need to be aware of all potential consequences. We can move forward while preparing for things that could push us backwards. We are capable of multitasking right?
I go by the motto“work for the best, prepare for the worst.”
Don’t careIt doesn’t matter if you approve or not. You are irrelevant. This suit is going forward, and you can bitch piss and moan about what a goddam coward you are, I don’t care. You do not matter to me.
Multitask this. Go blow it out your ass while fucking yourself.
No, you go by the motto, “Just sit on your ass and complain”Which is so effective!
You’re refusalto listen to my real point is your own problem. I have made myself clear. You refuse to listen and insist on attributing things to me that I have never said. This conversation is over. Grow up.
It does not matterIt just doesn’t.
It’s why I am so fond of ya…..LOL