Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen was on a couple of the Sunday talk shows and he was asked about the President’s policy on DADT. Mullen said he has what steps might be taken to implement a change in the policy with his own staff, but said the President has been advised to move “in a measured way” to change DADT. Here is what he said when CNN’s John King interviewed him.
“I haven’t done any kind of extensive review. And what I feel most obligated about is to make sure I tell the president, you know, my – give the president my best advice, should this law change, on the impact on our people and their families at these very challenging times,” he said.
Transcript is below the fold.Transcript, with a clip of Colin Powell’s comments first:
JOHN KING: And Secretary Gates is now saying he’s exploring some flexibility in the current policy, waiting for whether Congress passes a law reversing it – some flexibility that, under some circumstances, perhaps some openly gay or some people who have been outed, perhaps, should be allowed to stay and serve. What would you do?POWELL: Well, the policy and the law that came about in 1993, I think, was correct for the time. Sixteen years have now gone by, and I think a lot has changed with respect to attitudes within our country, and therefore I think this is a policy and a law that should be reviewed.
I am withholding judgment because the commanders of the armed forces of the United States and the joint chiefs of staff need to study it and make recommendations to the president and have hearings before the Congress before a decision is made.
It is not just a matter of old generals who are, you know, just too hidebound.
There are lots of complicated issues with respect to this, and I think all the issues should be illuminated. And I hope that the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the commanders, working with the secretary of defense, will give this the greatest consideration and make their recommendation to the president and to the Congress.
KING: Two questions, sir. And let me start with the advice you give the president.
Do you still believe the policy “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” should stay, and is that your advice to the president, even though that is contrary to the promise he made in the campaign?
MULLEN: Well, what General Powell talks about is the policy and, in fact, the law. And with respect to that, we clearly are carrying out both that policy and law, and will continue to do that until it changes.
Secretary Gates spoke recently about reviewing the policy to see if – to make sure that we were executing it in the most humane way possible. It’s very clear what president Obama’s intent here is. He intends to see this law change.
And in my advice, you know, I’ve had conversations with him about that. What I’ve discussed in terms of the future is I think we need to move in a measured way.
We’re at a time where we are fighting two conflicts. There’s a great deal of pressure on our forces and their families. And yet, again, the strategic intent is clear.
And if we get – and I am internally discussing that with my staff on how to move forward and what the possible implementation steps could be. I haven’t done any kind of extensive review. And what I feel most obligated about is to make sure I tell the president, you know, my – give the president my best advice, should this law change, on the impact on our people and their families at these very challenging times.




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The irony!In his Independence Day speech, the President said something about how Americans never “stand pat in a time of change.”
That’s exactly what he’s doing about
–DADT, DOMA, ENDA
–The National Security State
–Privacy & Eavesdropping
stop making excuses“We’re at a time where we are fighting two conflicts. There’s a great deal of pressure on our forces and their families.”
And the families of gay service members? There’s no pressure on them, right?
And perhaps Mullen should get off his butt and make an extensive review (or read some of the extensive reviews out there). It’s not like he doesn’t know how the wind is blowing on this.
Chairman’s Advice to the President about impact…… will be limited to the people and families who aren’t actually impacted by DADT…
Will someone on Chairman Mullen’s staff who is reading this blog please take the Chairman a copy of Dr Frank’s 2009 book Unfriendly Fire !?
oopsmeant to reply to article, not poster above
Stalling on reformMullen says to move in a measured way, yet proposes no moves nor measures. This issue will be moved, measured, and studied to death. The armed forces have lots of experience in the integration of a formerly outcast group into their ranks, with racial integration. The military is not doing a great job in the handling of any of the gender or sex-discrimination issues, with all the reports of harassment, rapes, sex discrimination, and military sex scandals in recent memory. How much of this is because of inappropriate or unlawful influences of the military chaplains? We read a lot about the Christian fundamentalist chaplains getting way out of line in both the Air Force Academy and Naval Academy, and in some cases, some military commanders using the chaplains at pep rallies for the troops. Whatever happened to the lawful separation of Church and State in America? How about some good old fashioned civics lessons to the troops, like “all are created equal”?
enough of the Washington doublespeakPowell feels DADT was “right for the time”? Will he give David Duke the same leeway if/when Duke reprents of his bigotry?
And, prithee, what is a “more humane way” of ending a person’s career because they choose a course of truth and integrity?!
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Suffragists made same pointsWhen President Wilson was delivering speeches about the importance of democracy while American women were disenfranchised he was called out.
Suffragists stood in front of the White House reading his speeches and dropping page after page of them into a bonfire.
Bold move by some some bold women that knew what they wanted and were willing to put their asses on the line to make a point – a very valid point. And people despised them for it.
This is exactly what we have to do.
No one is going to thank us for proving how America doesn’t uphold it principles. Tough shit, chew harder.
can you imaginein this age of hyper-panic over terrorism, the reaction of DC police, FBI, and Secret Service to a group of LGBT individuals building a bonfire in front of the White House. Let alone reading the Presidents speeches and throwing the pages in the fire. Not to mention the racial undertones.
Not that I don’t think its such a bad idea, something should be done. Maybe a paper shredder instead?
Read about the suffragistsSeriously – they faced some serious shit during those demonstrations and they paid a price for rubbing the country’s face – via the President – in the meaninglessness of their own words/policies.
The world was immersed in WWI and Americans wanted to stay out of it. Wilson was trying to convince the country to get involved. It was an enormous bloody massacre and those women remained determined to make the point that the President was advocating for democracy abroad and doing nothing about encouraging democracy in his own backyard.
The suffragists were fierce, brave and righteous.
And they were right.
And they won.
Colon BowelOur hero, Colon Bowel, did such an excellent job of leading the country into Iraq with his false evidence of WMDs that I wonder why anyone listens to a word he has to say.
Thanks for the Iraq multi-billion dollar shopping spree, you worthless pig.
There were many complicated issues surrounding the invasion of Iraq – and the execution of it’s leader – over false pretenses, weren’t there?
I’d rather not have your support for anything.
Pig.
How much more “measured” can it get?The military is the largest single bureaucracy in this country, and the thing bureaucracies are best at is stalling and creating inertia. This is exactly what they–and the entire government–are doing on DADT and every other LGBT issue on the map. In Mullen’s mind, “measured” obviously means “slow.” If the government’s response to our concerns was any more “measured,” it might actually start to fossilize. Which would be redundant. We already exist in the political equivalent of the Petrified Forest.
Oh I’m notarguing that they were not brave and did not do the right thing. What they did was incredible and inspiring even today.
I am just pointing out the image of a bonfire outside the White House today, would be…….well bad PR and a VERY short demonstration.
Its more than thatThe fundies have infiltrated the senior NCO and mid-level officer corps and the brass are scared sh*tless about crossing them. If they bail out then there is no military left. We need to push Congress to repeal DADT and get it on Obama’s desk. He promised to sign the bill. That’s when we will have leverage.
Mullen muddleHe’s really saying he doesn’t want to bother with it unless it’s forced on him. Wow, and I thought the Joint Staff was supposed to plan for any military contingency. Including dealing with DADT repeal.
And just what did he mean by “executing it in the most humane way possible?” Creepy thought.
And who’s coming to the protest?I stood at the White House from July 1-4 along with one other person on the 3rd and 4th. Where was the outraged LGBT community?
I’ve been posting about standing at the White House for weeks, people say ‘Great idea!’, then go back to reading the next blog post.
We need to get offline. The protest is still going on. We have signs for people to hold, we have a website to spread the word. All we need is for people to step up.
ProtestforHumanRights.com
AmenI think we need to debate the details less and just get out there. In the grand scheme of things, does it really matter if it’s a bonfire or a paper shredder or a bunch of people with handmade signs chanting.
I have to say that I’m starting to wonder where all of our righteous fury is. People like Enigmas, who flew across the country to protest this and the guy from here (I’m sorry I forget his screen name) who drove up form Florida to help us protest the DNC are inspirations. I hope more of us get inspired by them or take to the streets of our own accord.
Who are “our people” ?and their families ? “you people”/”our people”. We are as good as you, American citizens deserving the same civil rights under the U.S. Constitution.
Two brass asshats for the price of one…
First, I hope everyone understands that Colin Powell should have been tarred and feathered out of public life long ago for myriad reasons having nothing to do with DADT but his continuing homophobic lies and distortions about DADT would be reason enough. NO OTHER PERSON is more responsible for forcing Clinton to abandon his promise of issuing an executive order gay integrating the military than Powell. In March 1992, even before Clinton got the Party’s nomination, in response to efforts in Congress then to end the ban, Powell’s testimony framed the narrative that would end more than a year later in turning a policy into a law.
That spring he told Congress that letting people of “the homosexual lifestyle” into the military “with heterosexuals who would prefer not to have somebody of the same sex find them sexually attractive” would be “prejudicial to good order and discipline.”
Two months later, the contents of his letter to Cong. Pat Schroeder were made public in which he declared that while race was a “benign” characteristic homosexuality “goes to one of the most fundamental aspects of human behavior”…translation: “people choose to be gay and it’s an evil choice.”
Clinton was elected despite being seen as a “draft dodger” liberal, but the Chair of his Joint Chiefs of Staff was Powell, the [pseudo] hero of Desert Storm. He and other Chiefs threatened to resign even before Clinton was sworn in. Two weeks before the Inaugural, Powell publicly torpedoed Clinton’s plan when he told graduates of Annapolis that being gay was “a choice they have made, or it may have been made for them, I don’t know; that he “couldn’t make a moral judgment as to whether that is a correct lifestyle or not [but] if you find [gays in the military] completely unacceptable and it strikes to the heart of your moral beliefs, then I think you have to resign.” Clinton, like Truman an insubordinate Gen. MacArthur, should have fired him the next day. But he was not the last President elected on promises of “Change” and “Hope” to have undescended testicles.
Thus, Powell became the couldn’t-be-a-bigot-because-he’s-black, military “hero” on which Nunn [who, ironically, had once supported arch racist George Wallace for President] launched his successful nuclear attack on Clinton’s effort to end the ban. And his repeating his dishonest claptrap about a “review” of DADT, weeks after outright lying to Rachel Maddow about his starring role in institutionalizing government homohatred, is just more of the slime trail snakes always leave.
As for Mullen’s lip service to Obama’s ALLEGED goal aside, read between the lines.
Less than a year after Obama declared in November 2007 that “America is ready to get rid of the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy. All that is required is leadership. That work should have started long ago,” and promised, “It will start when I take office. I will task the Defense Department and the senior command structure in every branch of the armed forces with developing an action plan for the implementation of a full repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. And I will direct my Secretaries of Defense and Homeland Security to develop procedures for taking re-accession requests from those qualified service members who were separated from the armed forces under DADT. I will work with Congress and place the weight of my administration behind enactment of the [DADT repeal bill]” . . . his language shifted to make it clear that the tail had already started to wag the dog.
Now the gates of Jurassic Park have opened again and out lumbers another one of their dinosaurs, Mullen, who’s generally credited with being a new breed but, just like his peers, he spun another new and no less indefensible layer to their web of excuses. I long for the day when a reporter responds, “Just what the hell does that mean? Where’s your proof?”
Mullen is playing a classic charade . . . speaking ex cathedra. “It’s true because I say it’s true.” After Powell, after Gates, now it Mullen’s turn to spin the Wheel of Fear.
While conceding he’s done no research, we are to accept a priori that there WOULD be problems. Compounding his insult to our intelligence is that after already announcing the “verdict,” he, just like Powell, just like Nunn, wraps himself in a phony red, white, and blue rag of concern and sworn allegiance to his Commander-in-Chief’s supposed desire, and wants to play pick a jury to evaluate such problems that he’s already declared exist.
TRANSLATION: we’ve convinced our boss to stall.
Last week, in an astonishing about face from his earlier insistence that they were just too busy to even talk about DADT, Defense Secretary Gates suggested that they might create a new discharge exception based on how one was outed. That his comments were driven by the fear Obama Inc. is feeling as more and more gay checkbooks snap shut is all the more transparent when one sees that desperation drove them to publicly suggest such a thing without considering the many ways such a limited modification could blow up in their faces from losing public credibility to losing lawsuits filed by others arbitrarily discharged.
BOTTOMLINE: until Obama freezes all discharges keep the pipes through which gay money once freely flowed to the DNC frozen tight.
NO OTHER PERSON is more responsible for forcing Clinton to abandon his promise of issuing an executive order gay integrating the military than Powell?You mean aside from Clinton, himself?
He is the man ultimately responsible for his own choices.
translation: suck it, faggots.
Clarification….
I should have written:
NO OTHER PERSON is more responsible than Powell for creating the homopanic in Congress that would have overridden Clinton even if he had issued an executive order or had he attempted to veto DADT.
DADT passed in the Senate 92-7, and in the House 301 to 134.
Could Clinton have made a symbolic, functionally meaningless gesture and done both? Yes. With Powell sitting on his face all the while.
Operation Get A Round TuitOnce again, the W. S. Gilbert art of circumlocution.
– Iolanthe
DNC standing at sidelines says:And now swallow.
Clinton’s DADT has to go. The troops have to be brought home immediately. We should continue to work for the repeal of Bill Clinton’s bigoted DADT because it leads to unfair treatment, harassment and occasionally the kind of ultimate violence we saw last week with the murder of August Provost.
At the same time we should actively discourage enlistment in the US military, because of its use as an instrument in implementing the Clinton-Bush-Obama genocidal oil wars in South Asia. GIs and civilian Iraqis, Afghans and Pakistanis should not be sacrificed to make Chevron-Texaco and Haliburton richer.
Tin pot socialist “donal1944″ aka Bill Perdue is at it again…
“Bill Clinton’s DADT”…
Why does he keep distorting the facts? Because sliming Clinton as the Party head serves his goal of attempting to brainwash voters away from the Dems and Repugs to the “Labor” party or whatever worn out socialist loons than “Clinton Haters Powell/Nunn’s DADT” or “Clinton Hater Bob Barr’s DOMA.” Even had Clinton attempted to veto both [with nothing more than a sympbolic result because both passed Congress by overwhelming margins], Perdue would still be blaming him.
As Perdue’s distortions always run in a straight line to equally attacking the Dems AND Repugs [Clinton=Bush=Obama] simply because they are not socialist…as he wrote today in another version of this post at Queerty: “A lot of people project their own views on politicians looking for a ‘savior’. There aren’t any, AT LEAST IN THE DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN PARTIES”…there’s no reason to believe he genuinely gives a flying fuck about gay issues anymore than the communists really cared about black issues before WWII. Homophobia is just something to be exploited as segregation was then. Most blacks, led by A. Philip Randolph and Bayard Rustin, figured that out during WWII.
The REAL lesson of the Clinton years to this discussion is that people were fools to believe that Obama was any more a Messiah for the Gays than Clinton or are fools now if they don’t see he’s allowing himself to be manipulated by the Pentagon dinosaurs just as Clinton did.
Oh quit frothing. DADT is bigotry made law. Before if was just policy and could have been overturned by some one with a spine.
But not by Bill Clinton.
No, he only got a spine when it came to slashing welfare and busting unions with NAFTA. And killing roughly half a million Iraqi children was something he had a spine for. Just as he very courageously championed DOMA and deregulation of the banks.
Clinton signed and implemented the second most homohating law in US history, DADT, the codiification of military bigotry.
Clinton championed, signed and booasted about signing the most homohating law in US history to pander for bigot votes.
He signed it the night it passed and immediately issued this campaign pitch:
Those are the facts Bedwell, and all the frothing and Roy Cohn imitations in the world won’t erase those facts from the history books.
Thanks, Michael…I was not an activist then but even I remember this a bit. I posted your Powell part up under the new blog re Powell. Hope you don't mind.
Thanks, Orion45…
…this man has gotten away with washing blood off his own hands too many times.
PUH-LEEZE, Mary Marxist!
….Of course, Clinton had no spine. If you’d said that first I would have agreed with you. But, just as you have countless times before, you painted him as the creator of DADT not just the guy who didn’t throw himself in front of the unstoppable train.
But that’s beside the point for you because you don’t give a flying fuck about who was most to blame for DADT or DOMA or any gay rights issue or NAFTA or murdered gay sailors in San Diego or murdered Iraqis or poor people anywhere…you’re a creepy zealot who’d boil his own mother in Socialist Party Pudding.
Most here are too young to have seen your kind in action before. But I’m a veteran of the 60s antiwar/antidraft movement …even met Mark Rudd long before he was apologizing for “destroy[ing] SDS, the largest radical student group, at the height of the war …split[ing] the larger antiwar movement over the bogus issue of ‘armed struggle’. . ..kill[ing]d three of our own people in an accident at the W. 11th St. Townhouse. Horrible stuff”….so I can smell your exploit social unrest bullshit even through my DSL cable.
So I looked in the dictionary for a definintion of Ad Hominemand I found a picture of Michael Bedwell.
Sorry, Polly…
…the difference between you and me is that when I call people names I back it up with facts.
The title of your first response is all the factual backup necessary.We get it. You and donal have a personal tiff going across multiple sites. Of course, I wouldn’t have known that if you both hadn’t dragged it in here and splashed it around.
I know. You’re special. Aren’t we all?
Private Pollyanna of the Netiquette Police
I see what you did there.You changed the subject.
And that’s General Pollyanna to you, mister. So salute and move on.
Hey, wait a minute, Michael!Can I play, too? I forgot that this is “Anything Goes” Week at the Blend. So here, add this to your collection:
Hasn’t he?I cannot understand why we are even listening to Powell. Shouldn’t he be in jail for War Crimes? We want HIS opinion on anything, after he lied to the American people, the UN and knowingly marched us into this 8 year 1 trillion dollar illegal war? The blood of 5,000 America soldier’s are on his hands. He is slime and it’s time for us to call him on it!
Ah, ma chere..
…Stop! You’re breaking my heart.
Pollywoddledoodle all day, mean to Uncle Mikey!
Aw, Gramps, I never meant to break your heart.Will you accept my apology?
Bedwell, noting the growing disillusilnment with Obamawants to run Hillary up the flag pole and see if anyone salutes. He’s thinking comeback in 2012.
That, to put it mildly, is quite delusional. But not unexpected for someone whose politics are expressed as idolatry.
The Clintons are losers. And not just because Obama rubbed their faces in it. Because of their record. Fact. Bill Clinton the bigot signed and enforced DADT. Fact. Bill Clinton the bigot championed DOMA and boasted about signing it. He’s not spineless, he’s a spineless bigot. Time Magazine noted that
Fact. Bill Clinton championed NAFTA and deregulation, laying the groundwork for the loss of millions and millions of jobs in the last year or so. Fact. Bill Clinton ordered the murder of nearly half a million Iraqi children by embargoing medical, sanitary and food supplies. This awful infanticide was defended by Clintons UN Ambassador and Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, darling of the liberals. Here is a partial transcript of that interview.
Fact. Hillary Clinton sat like a malevolent spider on the Board of Directors of Wal-Mart, the most anti-worker corporation in the US, as they busted unions and cut wages. Fact. Wal-Mart was one of the leading beneficiaries of NAFTA which Bill Clinton rammed through Congress. Fact. Hillary Clinton tried as hard as Obama did to pander to bigoted christers, but Obama was unquestionably sleazier and better at it. Fact. Hillary Clinton takes the same bigoted view as Obama, Biden, McCain, Warren, and etc. She opposes SSM and thinks were second class citizens who don’t deserve the right to marry.
The Clintons betrayed so many people that they became the ultimate political losers and remain so to this day. That’s why Bill Clinton didn’t mind being called a scab and a bigot when he agreed to speak at the Manchester Grand Hyatt in San Diego last February.
Clinton was picketed by 200 or so LGBT and trade union activists because the owner of the hotel was a major anti-same sex marriage activist and union buster, just like Clinton himself, who boasted about signing DOMA and NAFTA. Pigs of a feather, so to speak, nesting together.
The Clintons know they have nothing to lose anymore, no one left to fool so they go for the money, as all members of the worlds second oldest profession do. Lawyers are the third oldest profession and intimately connected with the first two.
Those are the facts Bedwell. You have none which is why you froth and spit and have hissy fits. Kinda pitiful.