This afternoon at 5:45 EST, Obama will present The Memo to expand minor benefits for LGBT federal employees. The pre-memo fact sheet is an exercise in low expectations. It tells us that Obama is not going to make change by changing any laws. In fact, the fact sheet states twice that Obama has been scrounging for crumbs for us with the stipulation that they are already…
within the confines of existing laws and statutes
It remains to be seen if he takes the opportunity to push legislation so that he has more to offer us “within the confines” of the law.
You can watch live on C-SPAN.** If you hear of other live viewing or listening locations before it starts, please drop them in the comments.
**Not working for me. Anyone else have luck elsewhere?
UPDATE2: While we wait for details or video, here is some priceless reaction from the fundies Obama thinks he’s winning over by hating on Teh Gayz.
Conservative Christians: Obama’s Gay Benefits Order Approximates MarriageConservative Christian groups criticizing the president’s memorandum extending certain benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees are alleging that the president is approximating the benefits of marriage – that he’s basically creating “marriage light.”…Here’s a statement today from Concerned Women for America President Wendy Wright:
“Barack Obama’s order…attempts to elevate relationships outside of marriage as if they are the same as marriage…Federal funds should not be a political tool to elevate partner arrangements to be treated similar to marriage.”
UPDATE: Press Secretary Gibbs re: Obama’s support for the DoJ brief (courtesy ABC News)
TAPPER: Does the president stand by the legal brief that the Justice Department filed last week that argued in favor the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act?GIBBS: Well, as you know, that the Justice Department is charged with upholding the law of the land, even though the president believes that that law should be repealed.
TAPPER: I understand that, but a lot of legal experts say that the brief didn’t have to be as comprehensive and make all the arguments that it made, such as comparing same-sex unions to incestuous ones, in one controversial paragraph…
GIBBS: Well…
TAPPER: …that’s upset a lot of the president’s supporters. Does the president stand by the content, the arguments made in that brief?
GIBBS: Well, again, it’s the president’s Justice Department. And, again, we have the role of upholding the law of the land while the president has stated and will work with Congress to change that law.
Lee Swislow of Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders (GLAD) responds to the pre-memo fact sheet. She’s not buying it.
Presidential Memorandum on Federal Benefits and Non-DiscriminationStatement of LEE SWISLOW, Executive Director, Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders
Based on the White House fact sheet released earlier today, the Presidential memorandum will be but a very limited step toward equal benefits for the same-sex partners of federal employees. It does not in any way resolve the important issues of fairness that are raised in our lawsuit (Gill v. Office of Personnel Management) which seeks to declare DOMA unconstitutional as applied to workplace benefits for federal employees and retirees, as well as several other federal programs.
Bread-and-butter protections like health insurance and pension benefits remain off limits for federal employees because the Defense of Marriage Act is still law. Our plaintiff Nancy Gill is a postal worker who still can’t provide health insurance for her spouse, Marcelle Letourneau, even though she pays for a family policy that covers their children. Al Koski, who’s retired from the Social Security Administration, still can’t provide health benefits to his spouse, Jim Fitzgerald, who has diabetes, let alone survivor rights on Al’s pension. And Dean Hara, widower of the late Congressman Gerry Studds, still cannot receive Gerry’s pension nearly three years after his untimely death. These are concrete harms that are not changed by today’s announcement from the White House.
The one and only way for this pervasive discrimination to end is for DOMA to end – whether by the courts declaring it unconstitutional or by Congressional repeal. Only then will married same-sex couples receive equal treatment under law.
“President Obama’s tyranny of timidity” from Garden State Equality’s chair Steven Goldstein:
For immediate releaseWednesday, June 17, 2009
Garden State Equality devoted considerable time and resources to Barack Obama’s campaign for President last year in New Jersey. As an organization, we endorsed then-Senator Obama before the end of the 2008 Democratic primaries, when many of us who had been supporting various Democratic Presidential candidates came together in the interests of unity to help defeat George W. Bush.
We have supported President Obama with passion. But when a leader or political party takes the LGBT community for granted, our highest loyalty must be to the community itself. We will criticize where criticism is due.
President Obama now deserves our criticism. His first five months in office have been a tyranny of timidity when it comes to advancing civil rights of the LGBT community.
Today, his much anticipated action extending benefits to domestic partners of federal employees specifically excludes health benefits. To be clear, federal law would not prevent him from granting health benefits. The President’s action today is not even an executive order, which he has the option to issue, but rather a lesser memorandum whose legal effect is more temporary.
Earlier this month, the Obama Administration filed a brief defending the anti-LGBT Defense of Marriage Act in court. That is in direct conflict with the President’s repeated promises as a candidate and as President to oppose DOMA.
Adding insult to injury, in the Obama Administration’s brief advocating the continuation of DOMA, the Administration’s lawyers have repeated all of the Bush Administration’s most heinous prejudices against the LGBT community.
Let’s be clear: It is not true that President Obama’s Department of Justice is legally compelled to defend lawsuits against the federal government. And never in a way that constitutes a grotesque slander against the LGBT community.
The President’s sad early record doesn’t stop there. The Obama Administration has offered excuse after excuse in refusing to take action on Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. The President has the power to issue an executive order to immediately halt discharges based on the corrupt military policy – a policy which three-fourths of all Americans oppose.
Immigration reform that would unite binational same-sex couples in the interests of fairness and compassion doesn’t even seem to be on the president’s radar screen. And why hasn’t the President, who knows how to use the power of the bully pulpit, been more forceful in advocating for the passage of a transgender-inclusive Employment Non-Discrimination Act?
Garden State Equality rejects the arguments of those who say, give the President more time. Or that this President has done more for the LGBT community already than his predecessors.
First, a popular new President’s popularity will never be higher than now. President Obama will never have more political capital than now.
Secondly, we’re tired of comparisons to previous presidents. 2009 is not 1992. Times have changed radically. As poll after poll and state law after law indicate, the nation is moving ahead on LGBT civil rights far faster than is President Obama.
In the fight for civil rights, good things don’t come to those who wait. Good things come to those who demand equality today.
Civil rights progress doesn’t result from those who say, cut our leaders some slack. Civil rights progress results from those who say, half-baked caution won’t cut the mustard.
In the bold spirit in which Garden State Equality has worked to get 210 LGBT civil rights laws enacted in New Jersey in the past five years, and has helped to bring New Jersey to the cusp of marriage equality, we reject pastel progress.
We demand more vibrant advocacy, right here and now, from the President who had the audacity to call himself our fiercest advocate.



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NO New BenefitsCross-commented with the actual memoradum fact sheet below.
Aravosis is reporting that the benefits being added are, in fact, already available to federal employees, albeit on a discretionary basis by agency.
IT JUST GETS WORSE!
Link belowhttp://www.americablog.com/200…
CRUMBY crumbs…dried out and TASTELESS
Obama just keeps digging DEEPERBoy, he does not understand us at all. How would he feel if had a US President ACTIVELY working against him? How would he feel if a US President would tell him that he could not get any benefits because he is black?
What a sorry case of a President Obama has become so early in the game.
CHANGE … yeah right!
He and the Democrats sure ain’t getting my $$$$ CHANGE!
I don’t know whether to feel more offended bythe President offering no new benefits or thinking that we are a bunch of morons who can so easily be snowed.
Silly Obama…Benefits are for EVERYONE!!
BTW, I would like to coin a phrase regarding those in the DNC who would have us still pony up the dough:
“Log Cabin Democrats”
Update on Tammy Baldwin Baldwin’s press secretary just announced that Tammy will appear on Rachel Maddow tonight.
I backed Obamaand Obama backed me
(see the knife sticking out)
a t-shirt idea
This black motherfucker is gay bashingOut and out gay bashing with the machinery of the federal government
And y’all KNOW what I wanted to say just now.
B.O. Stinks On Gay RightsNow I have my sign for the this year’s Pride Parade.
B.O. Stinks On Gay RightsNow I have my sign for the this year’s Pride Parade.
According to Robert Gibbs, the President stands behind the hateful legal brief.As soon as I think it can’t get any worse, I’m mistaken.
http://www.americablog.com/200…
Riled up!!It has been hard to get any work done (don’t tell my boss) all week and now I’m about to follow the sham signing via Pam’s.
I have been FBing the shit out this DNC quicksand and people are thanking me. I really believe we are fed up and looking for a way to respond.
Keep it up!
Burn that mother fuckers feet.
Condi was FIERCERthat should shame them
Gibbs: President stands behind incest/pedophilia briefIt is disappointing.
yes, and a rip into my louisiana lover when he says it
CHENEY was FIERCERthat one should hit the mark
The administration has been…completely content to do nothing on our issues. And when I say nothing, I mean it. No research, no thought, no planning. You could say they’ve been reactive, but this is really only the second time they’ve even had to react (Rick Warren). Obviously the administration didn’t understand that this has some financial repercussions, yet they still don’t understand that we as a community have had it. And I believe we have.
??? huh, petey?
Was The Audactty a Joke?The exemplary Presidents took bold, unpopular stands in the name of ethically sound judgment; Lincoln fought a war rather than compromise the integrity of the Union, and later signed the Emancipation Proclamation, freeing a minority that held no political power and would win him no votes. Teddy Roosevelt went after major corporations, FDR brought us the New Deal. JFK enforced Brown v Board of Ed., and both he and LBJ scorned the politically powerful/popular George Wallace. LBJ signed the Civil Rights act and ushered in the Great Society.
All of which were uncompromising, audacious, and unpopular decisions. However, we remember them all with fondness for having done them.
We rarely make mention of the fact that Kennedy was the first (and only) Catholic president. He is judged by what he did, not who he was. For now, Obama is the First Black President, and this secures for him a sense of history; that identity will wear off over time, and eventually he will be remembered for what he did rather than who he was, especially after there are other Black presidents.
We need a little more audacity in that hope
…”within existing laws and statutes”…Which this administration is making absolutely no effort to change, modify, or ameliorate.
Indeed, for the most obnoxious of these laws we can expect vigorous, enthusiastic and (dare I say it? yes, I dare) FIERCE advocacy.
I’ve said it before, and I’ve seen it echoed by others: At least with Der Shrubbenfuhrer the GLBT community knew were we stood — ignored and marginalized. Now, we were promised the moon, the promised land of repealed DOMA and DADT and equal rights, and instead we get the crap sandwich on week-old bread — and dirty looks because we aren’t grateful.
Let’s not forget…Let’s not forget that Obama is building up a pretty good right-wing record. It isn’t just LGBT’s who are getting the shaft.
I could list the stuff, but the folks here know the list.
To me this is good news. Since he’s pissing off the liberals who helped elect him, he’s going to need LGBT votes even more than he did last time.
As for me, if Dick Cheney runs for president, I’m voting for him because he supports same-sex marriage.
BettingHe is betting on the media going with the press release just like has been done since 2001. Whatever the prez says is the “truth” – no need to fact check.
I am flat out depressed nowAnd behind this homophobia in the black community will come out of the closet (as if it weren’t already) and wide out in the open. And I have to deal with this shit because the President wants to play political triangulation games.
And I’m the one who will have to deal with this more than anyone on the board.
Maybe I should just go and get a passport or something. Anything but this.
The thing MOST gratingHateful homobigots from the Reich Wing chirping in saying I TOLD YOU SO
That happened last night at HuffPo, and if I wouldn’t have shut off the site, I would have gotten myself banned from the site….I couldn’t swear ENOUGH, at those maggots.(as hard as that might be to believe)
How many people actually believed his campaign rhetoric?Even if you knew nothing about him before the primaries, I would think that the Rick Warren incident was a pretty big clue.
The sad thing is that most LGBTQ people will continue to vote for the Democrats because the alternative is perceived as much worse. But is it really?
Beyond rhetoric, how has Obama been substantively different from Bush? With the exception of releasing federal $ for family planning overseas, name a single difference.
Well, I can think of a few:
He requested MORE money (in the billions) to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
There are more “private contractors” fighting in Iraq now.
Obama is fighting for the ability to recruit minors into the military.
Might as well either vote for a 3rd party or not at all. Some of the most anti-LGBTQ and otherwise conservative policies have been enacted by Dems.
At least the Repubs tell us they hate us instead of blowing smoke up our asses, taking queer $, and then…doing exactly what the Repubs would have done.
LOL Kevin!That’s why I’m not even going to bother watching.
Would rather get stoned and watch my new Transformers (G1) Season 1 set instead! I’ll take Starscream over Obama ANY day!
Hey, kevin!Let’s all move to Fiji and live in grass shacks on the beech. That would have to a whole lot better than what U. S. Hell-hole has become.
The Audacity of Joke.Oh hell . .I’m sincerely going to steal these lines and open an online equality t-shirt shop.
Oh no, this is way smarter than thatThis evening’s show has two purposes:
1) Make the rest of the Dem coalition take on stifling the gays. He gave us something, and we better STFU.
2) Bitch-slap the extreme right that actually believes the part of the DOMA brief that suggests it’s controversial to use tax dollars to pay gay employees the same wage as their straight peers.
See, he’s boxing out the extremists who want us dead and the extremists who want equality–because both sides of the debate over who gets to dispose of my remains are valid arguments.
It’s bipartisan! Compromise! Middle way! IOW, exactly what worried sane progressives about Candidate Obama.
Yeah, Elian (that is you, right?)I mean, I thought Obama would be to the right of Clinton. But he’s damn near to the right of Bush, now…
No, i can’t say that I’m that surprised. I didn’t think the man would be this vicious about it, though.
Mistyped ……a = IMy lover is way to accustomed to the N-word, (he and his sisters as little kids would chant it at one another) and some of our friends will spew it at another Black the minute, they get P*SSED OFF. This one Black woman we know, when she wants to put down the scruffy Blacks hanging around in the streets, in New Orleans calls them Buckwheats
Just re-read the “Issues” section of whitehouse.govI really wish they would take down all of the President’s opinions when it comes to GLBT rights. I’m not sure what delusional world they are living in, but they obviously only believe themselves. Actions speak louder than words.
Tonight, as soon as the President signs this memorandum (he doesn’t even have the balls to sign an executive order), I’m donating what money I would have given him to the Green Party.
Looking at the bigger picture, I have come to believe that our 2-party system is terribly broken.
Yep.Damn good politics. But not when it hurts my community like this.
And don’t forget Truman…He integrated the Army about 8 years before Brown v. Board. In the end, history has been much kinder to Truman than his contemporaries were. He was tough and tenacious and knew what was the right thing to do. He pissed off the establishment and really didn’t give a damn. Now that’s a President.
Cspan doesn’t like us.
I’m over it nowlet’s just forget I was ready to go there. I don’t like it when I do that (and I can “get away with it”)
Yeah, Cheney supports us.I didn’t see him supporting us five years ago when his boss was trying to amend the constitution. If he runs for president watch how fast his support disappears.
Darth Cheneymerely said it’s up to the states. He wouldn’t do a damn thing to overturn DOMA, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t do a damn thing for or against gay rights period. Luckily, we’ll never know.
I didn’t believe himWhen I saw Obama send Donny McClurkin to S. C. to denounce gays, I figured there was no way I could vote for Bigot Hypocrite Obama, but I did watch just in case he came around. He didn’t.
I didn’t vote for the first time in my life and I’ve voted straight Democratic in every election since 1968.
It isn’t a Dem vs. Repub vs. third-party issue. Any third-party that actually gained any power would be just as bad as the Dems and the Repubs.
The ultra-wealthy and corporations own our elected officials, including Obama. They own them because that’s how we want it. If we wanted to own our elected officials, we would.
We will get nowhere until we have publicly funded elections so that the voters own elected officials.
Do you want to own your elected officials, or do you want corporations and the ultra-wealthy to own them?
It’s our choice, but no one is even talking about it.
Not really good politicsIf he’s in a position to smack around the 27% who want us closeted, why not use that– to help us make real gains and consolidate LGBT loyalty to the Dem Party for a generation?
Because they assume our loyalty, not just our votes but our money and efforts, no matter what they do. They do the wrong thing in the wrong way and dare us to object.
The Dems didn’t get the memo yet: The gAyTM is broken.
look its awful but Kevinchi race has nothing to do with it.
Yeap calling our bluffAll I read are endless headlines that Obama is extending benefits to same sex partners of federal employees.
Few will look at the details ie. there’s really nothing new offered but it will appear Big O has granted us something.
Louisiana is a culture shock for meIn MN they could act as hateful, but you didn’t hear someone casually using the N-word….ever
But Obama is making a gambleon the fact that the GLBT community wont be able to get itself together with the cohesive political power that we already have.
Or, in other words, “force me to do it.”
CNN just said they’ll cover the signing. n/t
Where Is It?NOT ON CSAPN 1 2 or 3!!! or CSPAN RADIO
WHICH CSPAN?I can’t find it!
PooI can’t get video of it either. I’m sure it will hit youtube soon.
I can’t find it on C-SPAN either.Am monitoring CSPAN1, 2, 3, CNN. Heard a comment on CNN that they would cover it, but I haven’t seen it yet.
5:51and not a single msm cable network is covering this.
tweety bird’s talking about gay rights, but not paying attention to what obama’s doing now. Though, maybe these minuscule rights for a minuscule percentage of gay people got pushed back to August, too.
total press blackoutnot even a mention on cable
eh, whateverWe have each other. That’s good enough.
SO WHERE CAN YOU HEAR IT??I’m monitoring cspan 1, 2, 3, cspan radio, msnbc, cnn, fox, and npr — Nothing.
cnn top storysome guy impersonating his dead mother.
LOOK, YOU FRIGGIN ASSHOLES!!!Where are you watching or listening to this?
this is whyflushing money down the toilet is more useful to the gay cause than giving it to HRC.
Hello?
What does n/t mean?
sorry, “no text”, or “just a subject line”.Not really necessary on this forum, habit from a different site. My apologies for any confusion.
meet up in the chatroomthe blind lead the blonde?
Idiot Ed on MSNBCis boasting about the “change” Obama’s delivering for gay people…
he thinks this is a good thing..
and this is MSNBC! The liberal network!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FUCK OBAMA!
I watched one ep of Ed…and knew he actually IS the embodiment of the Democratic liberal media mouthpiece. Unlike Rachel & Keith, who only get mislabeled as such.
CNN included announcement in top-of-hour listNo details, just a statement along the lines of “some gay activists say that the White House hasn’t been doing enough, but this hour, the White House hands gays major benefits.” I don’t type fast enough for that to be an exact quote in any sense except for the words “major benefits”. That sort of stuck in my mind. What were they thinking?!?
AP report now availableThe AP says basically what we expected from the earlier press release: crumbs.
heading to chat, yep
NOW on CNN
honestly the green party …is in total shambles
imho better to the socialist workers. Our to an advocacy group that is strong and i don’t mean the HRC thats for sure !
And yes i did believe some of his rhetoric i wanted to , and yes i did expect by virtue of being a man of color that somehow he would bring the sensitivity of being othered to office. Points well taken about homophobia within the black community or at least that is what the polls would tell us. In the end Obama is a neo centrist, who is first and foremost a politician who sadly and not entirely unexpectedly has been absorbed in the borg.
Look at the cabinette – its the machine. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss, It feels like ground hog day – from the health care bill, to the bail outs – us – we got taken for a big ride. Lied to flat out.
your header an excellent slogan for pride signs, too!At Patrick’s “Sign ideas for Pride, Please”
Just a slight tweak suggested:
Alteration makes it broader & might
- reduce confusion with health care reform
- prevent confusion on the part of people who watch what is shaping up to be one fiasco of an announcement about federal benefits for SS partners from thinking, “But he gave you benefits already!”
Don’t care about the pathetic benefitsI just truly wish he would apologize about the DOMA briefing. That would make a world of difference to me.
here’s an ideaF*CKED by Obama
and I didn’t even get a broadway show, or a trip to Paris
They just said . . . they’re working on getting video on CNN.
The ignorance of the news anchors is stunning ….WTF?! These news anchors are clueless. CNN’s Wolf Blitzer just declared that Obama is giving gays “MAJOR benefits”. The MSM are falling right into lone and promoting this lie as though Obama just did something amazing. Give me a break.
And they say…MSNBC’s in the tank. I think CNN is even more so.
UGH ……Ed show has that maggot Tony PerkinsWhy the f*ck ANY network airs that racist f*cktard just amazes me.
Just checked …I just checked all three CSPANs (they allow live video on their site) and nothing so far.
I hope Rachel Maddow rips Obama a new one tonightHopefully Rachel will cover how offensive these crumbs are to our community. Would any straight couple be willing to switch over to our mini-micro set of rights?
ON CNN RIGHT NOW!!
Truly bizarre …It felt like the Twilight Zone to hear him talk about repealing DOMA right after he defended it and compared us to child rapists.
See that’s Obama’s gamble.He’s “calling” the bet….If Wolf says the benefits are “major” do you really think the general population will look any further than that?
He wins this hand.
Signorile supposed to be on CNN some time tonightSignorile is taping a segment for CNN right now. Don’t know when they will play it though.
CWA Concerned Women think they are MAJOR.
Hey moving allowance = marriage.
Sick leave = marriage.
Right.
http://www.cwfa.org/articles/1…
The general population…is very general in that it generally could care less about gay people. What’s important is how a certain segment of the LGBT activist community reacts…that would include the HRC, Bruce Bastian, Mixner, et al. What matters most of all is the money.
We’ve had the sick leave benefit…for more than partners…since 1994Employeees should be able to use their sick leave to care for their family members…however they define that. And guess what? Federal employees already have that! The OPM head doesn’t know that? Here are the details of the policy: http://beyondstraightandgaymar…
Did Obama say it was a step?Did he mean he wants us to ‘step’ to that?
Ah yes, Fijiwhere gay people are arrested or killed.
Move to Canada, where we already have full civil rights and have for years.
UghThat was painful to watch.
Notice Obama times this no benefit benefits for the Nightly NewscastsSleep easy queers
Obama is working tirelessly for you
Notice Obama times this no benefit benefits for the Nightly NewscastsSleep easy queers
Obama is working tirelessly for you
Give me a breakThis was a waste of time. The reps that were there for the signing should have turned their backs. Pres BO is such as waste of space. I am going to DC.
Well…That was a completely worthless gesture. I also didn’t hear him mention DADT. If he thinks this is going to pacify gay people, he is sadly mistaken. My new mantra: No equality = No money = No support = No vote
Crumbs piss everyone off.I still like Barack Obama, and don’t regret my vote, remembering the McPalin alternative (There went my 4.00 ratings, but oh well).
AND … this is a clear example of how trying to please everyone pleases no one. The LGBT equality advocates are pissed when we’re starving for equality and are handed table scraps, and the wingnuts are pissed off when they believe that we ought to be starved and waterboarded simultaneously.
Ya gotta pick, Barack. Personally, I’d choose us. If you stop-loss DADT, repeal DOMA, and pass ENDA before 2012, you’ll get our votes again. If you do none of those things, the wingnuts will still vote for the Palin/Huckabee ticket.
Local news in SF did the sameLast night the local news stations regurgitated what they heard in the press release: Obama is extending benefits to gays.
There was no mention of anything about what those benefits are…and really only a passing mention of community discontent.
We need the demonstration outside of next weeks fund raiser to be BIG and LOUD.
We will not be ignored.
could be worseit’s not like you are Josh DuBois or Donnie McClurkin
Pam is in the same place
New boss, same as the old bossHit the nail on the head!!
Video of the Signinghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v…
dkos diary says obama will “reiterate” doma repeal supportI say BFD, but I’ll provide the link for the benefit of all. http://www.dailykos.com/story/…
I’m sick of words and ready for action — the kind of action that doesn’t actually hurt us, of course. We’ve had plenty of that already.
No specific benefits named in order!I can’t believe it! Here’s the order and it doesn’t list any benefits at all..just a reference to what has been identified…but no content! Here it is from the White House website: http://www.whitehouse.gov/asse…
Awesome.Obama just regifted the GLBT community an expiring Dollar General $5 gift card.
Hahaha! Yeah, sure - all is forgiven.
Idiot.
Wouldn’t you rather……use that hundred as a rolling paper?
I know I’d benefit more from it that way.
They won’t take a tip on the actual content of policy from a blog, because it’s a blog. Priceless. And they wonder why they have to fire people for lack of donor support…
He thinks we are stupid. We are not. Obama is!What a bunch of BS the President signed today. He is fooling only his own homophobic self.
Obama went from HOPE to FRAUD in just 6 months. How pathetic!
He has a chance to do something and continues to refuse. He will continue to lose $$$ and time and VOTES.
my reactionI thought of the insurance company ad where the first little girl gets a toy pony and the next girl gets a real pony. We could use similar footage, where the first (gay) kid gets an HRC equal symbol sticker, and the next gets complete equality. Or we could use the first gets a wedding topper figurines, and the next has their whole family with a same sex marriage.
I also thought of Halloween, if Obama had been a stingy ass who gives you a third of a cruddy piece of candy corn…next shot is every White House tree TP’d and a flaming bag of poo is on the steps.
We get the message…. The fact that gay anger finally broke through to MSM and the growing number of high profile gays boycotting the Give Us More Money That We Won’t Use To Keep Our Promises dinner next week seems to have awakened them, but Gibbs’ insulting answers today prove that they’re not even sitting up on the side of the bed yet, thinking about taking off their jammies.
NO ONE in the White House is yet taking us seriously enough if he’s still allowed to go out there day after day without answers so detailed and encouraging [even if totally insincere] that it even SEEMS as if they are.
Obama’s many campaign trail comments on gays were often flawed [to those who were actually listening and not just swooning] but, in balance, one could believe that they summoned up not just credible sincerity but the conviction that he elegantly “got us”…so they CAN at least pretend to care.
The fact that they aren’t now, save in the embarrassing blatherings of First ‘Mo John Berry, proves that the LGBT economic boycott of Anything Obama is going to have to be deeper and longer and uncut.
I wouldn’t hold my breath, Rachel is pretty cautious on gay stuff
Welcome toIran
Not this again.It was Obama or McCain. I voted for Obama. It was the best choice at the time. It was a chance to have and do better, which was not going to happen with McCain.
Do you really think people voted for Obama based on “rhetoric”? Really? Because that’s not true. Most people voted for Obama either because he wasn’t Clinton or he wasn’t McCain or he wasn’t both.
If you really regret not having McCain in office — and a third-party vote or not voting was a vote for McCain — then what can anybody possibly say to you?
Of course, based entirely on what we could only know now, there’s no way in hell I’m voting for this fraud again.
regiftedLol, that’s perfect. Expires at the end of his term. Sorry, this is worthless. Please continue the fundraiser boycott.
NormanNorman!
Either you don’t watch Rachel Maddow or your definition of “cautious” is unusual, to say the least.
Oh, he knows it.He’s just participating in this drive-by which will kill our political power as a movement to make his insider status more valuable.
Professional queers are going to be the death of us yet.
maybe not for youbut I am the one who would have to put up with an uptick of homophobia in the black community, where they love Barack Obama’s dirty underwear. Maybe you have to, maybe you don’t.
And will I have to put up with a possible uptick in racism in the gay community? Let’s hope not.
Yeah, defintely not Donniehaving to hope that the man who I have rough sex with won’t fu*k and tell. That is a good thing.
Way too little. Way too lateAbsolutely nothing substantitive as was predicted. This memo signing was nothing more than an extended PR campaign stop. This pisses me off even more than before. Now he thinks we are stupid and are going to buy this? Pathetic.
Obamabgon is all I have to say.
besides I bequeathed you my share of Iowa corn fed boys…now smile
AC 360, I believe – after 10
I watch Rachel almost every nightShe isn’t particularly strident on LGBt issues …..IMO
Many times Keith Olbermann will hit gay issues more than Rachel does.
now go shake that husband treespeaking of husbands, I was flipping through A-queen pics in Los Angeles, and happened across my first lover’s pic, the alcoholic abusive one…I got major icks, I haven’t seen him in 20 years.
A non-starter for Obama but a game changer forHRC president Solmonese? He sure looked all gushy, all smiles on the Olbermann MSNBC interview tonight. WTF? What’s he trying to do, put a positive spend on this bag of scraps as an excuse to rescind the HRC boycott of the DNC fundraiser? “See everybody! He gave us something so I wanna see forgiving smiles and open wallets.” Yeah, right.
Misspell – my bad.SPIN…I meant to write spin, not spend. God, it’s hell being an old gay dude. Sorry folks. When you get to be my age you’ll understand.
Dear Mr President,Just over 42 years ago in 16 of these United States your parents could not have married. That was wrong then and today few would support that injustice.
Today some of my friends can only marry the person of their choice in 5 States. That is just as wrong and someday will find as little support.
When that day comes, today may not seem so far past, except to those people who have to live with that injustice until then.
From the bully pulpit of your office you can help advance that day.
Charles R Ward
If these events have taught us anything it’s that voting for bigots makes no sense at all.. That’s irrespective of whether their name is Obama, Clinton, or Bush. Or whether they’re from the right centrist bigot-infested Democratic (sic) or Republican Parties.
The truth is there is no such thing as a lesser evil. The ‘lesser evil’ myth is about as believable as the Bigfoot myth, and the same kind of people believe both. There are however better liars and that’s exactly what Obama is.
We have to move away from dependence on the bigots and develop our own independent, militant movement and ally ourselves with others in the same boat and with political groups that support us.
We have to realize that elections are a dead end if they’re not accompanied by mass action, mass education, and mass organization. We can win but not by compromising with ‘lesser’ bigots and certainly not by supporting them or voting for them.
Give em hell, HarryIndeed. Especially when one considers how incredibly racist the USA was in the 40′s. True, it still is, although the severity was much worse then than now. Truman stood up for an unpopular, even despised, minority. He did it my Executive Order, with no need to go through Congress, since his capacity as Commander in Chief allowed him jurisdiction over the military. Obama has that same jurisdiction; he could lift DADT with the stroke of a pen, and yet he tries to shirk his duty and blame Congressional inaction for what is ultimately the President’s responsibility.
The greens are a left centrist party. Centrism won’t cut it. The real solution lies in fundamental change, the same kind of basic change that occurred in 1776 and again during the Second American Revolution, 1860-1865.
Nothing else will do in a country where the looter class is given trillions as a reward for wrecking our economy, where oil companies and war contractors determine foreign policy and where bigots are rewarded with ‘faith based’ bribes instead of being jailed.
We have to reject the BS from Democrat front groups like HRC and the others and build a coalition of militant groups to organize, educate and defend our communities. The way to start is by supporting actions like the March on Washington and other mass actions and by supporting the ‘won’t take no for an answer’ attitudes expressed in the Dallas Principles.
(I know the leading individuals and programs of a lot of the left groups and the SWP is not where I’d go. There are plenty of groups out there and the test will be do they unreservedly support GLBT rights (and criticize the Cubans who most definitely don’t) and do they have a mass action, independent action perspective. If they do they’ll grow and if not, not.
Under the impact of a decisive economic failure and however many unwinnable wars US society is undergoing a radicalization that combines the best of the youth upsurge of the 1960′s and ’70′s and the worker militancy of the 1930′s and ’40′s. It’s in its infancy but all the signs point to a vast radicalization and polarization developing. Both the left and the right are growing. If we remain dependent on centrists we’ll simply be swept aside and the consequences of that are horrific.)
And as sure as God made little apples,they will reverse course and support the DNC fundraiser next week. Solmonese’s presence at Obama’s dog-and-pony show tonight announces clearly that he is their priority, not us.
Obama–done nothing on our issues?Of course he has. He has done everything in his power to set them back fifty years. That’s not nothing. It’s worse.
No, it’s infuriating.
You got the guts, boy?
Our worst enemies are NOT straight.
Oh right, EricMcCain would have defended DOMA and DADT. Palin would have compared us to child rapists. We’re SO lucky we didn’t end up with an administration like that.
Look forwards, not backwardsAt the “dark and painful” chapter. Etc.
What about the law of the land then? Tapper should have brought that up.
Will you?And will I have to put up with a possible uptick in racism in the gay community?
Not in here you fucking won’t, and I’ll beat the everloving shit out of anyone who says you do. This is our HOME.
…but, dude, did you really have to bring up B.O.’s dirty underwear? Now all I can think of is this image of skid-marked tighty whities, and I may cry. Gah, there’s SO many reasons I don’t date men…**cringes**
Unless there’s a reversal PDQ……Obama will go down as our biggest betrayer in history. Not our biggest enemy, but our biggest betrayer.
Just when battles were being won, sometimes in unexpected places, when the argument was being won, when many of the neutral and even some opponents were accepting the “inevitability” of marriage equality, he stopped it in its tracks. He will never have more clout than now, and he has decided to use it against us. It is a turning point, the worst since Bill Clinton signed DOMA rather than veto it and defy Congress to override it.
The Democrats in Congress are beneath contempt. No money, no votes for any Democrat. I’ve conveyed that to my Congresswoman and the leading Democratic candidate for Senate next year. And sometimes votes in Florida do count.
I’ve extended this boycott to those “progressive” lobbies who think this isn’t important. It’s not just LGBT issues on which Obama is losing allies; I’m not going to battle for any of the rest of his agenda either. The time for being an altruistic patsy is over.
Wow Tapper really can be a Dumb Ass sometimeI am starting to get the impression that either the White house doesn’t read or they think we don’t. ;(
Not Canadian……but yes, Canada does accept some people who have HIV/AIDS. It’s on a case-by-case basis.
Echoes of PeteIs it just me or is this a little like California’s Pete Wilson campaigning to the LGBT community on the promise of signing Ca’s ENDA and then VETOing it when it hit his desk- but on a waaay bigger scale? Is anyone really surprised by all of this? Oh, where is QueerNation™ when you need them?!
He got to go to the Whitehouse…He got to go to the Whitehouse…..and be on TV with BO and KO! WOW. All the way to the bank Joe, but not with my $$. Tammy B no better. NO $$ there either lady. Neither of them smart enough to even know that these 'benefits' are the same ones offered by BILL CLINTON… in the Last CENTURY.
Former co-chair of the Obama LGBT Leadership Council Stampp Corbin has dropped out of the fundraiser as well. His post. AND Stonewall DemocratsStampp Corbin is the latest gay bigwig to pull out of next week’s big gay DNC fundraiser. At some point between last Friday night and this morning Corbin sat down and read the DOMA brief and guess what? His head is exploding now too. This is from Corbin’s post at San Diego News Network website, a post titled “The DOMA Brief Ruined Everything”:
http://slog.thestranger.com/sl…
Stonewall Democrats, the largest grassroots network of LGBT activists in the nation, has publicly dropped its support of the Democratic Party’s LGBT fundraiser scheduled for next week. The Stonewall Democrats join a growing list of high-profile individuals who have decided not to support the event in anger over the Department of Justice’s disturbing defense of DOMA brief.
I knowsomeone who was at the memo signing ceremony (she’s the person most to the right in the CSPAN video as it begins). She told me today that she spoke with the President for about 10-15 minutes, and that she left with the impression that “the right hand didn’t know what the left hand was doing,” that is, that Obama was not fully informed about the DOJ brief. It is still a new administration, and there are going to be some rookie mistakes. If so, this was a doozy. I am willing to give the President the benefit of the doubt on this. Still, it is his Justice department, and he needs to be held accountable. Here’s the Attorney General’s comment line: 202-353-1555. Also, call your Representatives and Senators and let them know that they need to demand that DOJ look into how the brief was bungled.
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Today, NPR’s Diane Rehm show focused on the memo, DOMA, DADT, and ENDA, with invited guests John Berry, Joe Solmonese, and a anti-gay-rights bishop from a suburban Washington church (WTF?? why have a religious viewpoint at all on the memo, and why does the sole religious viewpoint have to be an antigay one, and why do the media ignore gay religious viewpoints??). Listen at
http://wamu.org/programs/dr/09…
Send any feedback on the show to drshow@wamu.org.
Peace to all,
noahsdad