Here we have Keith Olbermann, a straight ally, putting the whole Prop 8 mess into perspective. He noted that at one point in our history, blacks couldn’t marry one another, as slaves were property and those unions were not legal. He is assertively harsh on the bible beaters and anyone who voted Yes on 8.
Finally tonight as promised, a Special Comment on the passage, last week, of Proposition Eight in California, which rescinded the right of same-sex couples to marry, and tilted the balance on this issue, from coast to coast.
Some parameters, as preface. This isn’t about yelling, and this isn’t about politics, and this isn’t really just about Prop-8. And I don’t have a personal investment in this: I’m not gay, I had to strain to think of one member of even my very extended family who is, I have no personal stories of close friends or colleagues fighting the prejudice that still pervades their lives.
And yet to me this vote is horrible. Horrible. Because this isn’t about yelling, and this isn’t about politics.
This is about the… human heart, and if that sounds corny, so be it.
If you voted for this Proposition or support those who did or the sentiment they expressed, I have some questions, because, truly, I do not… understand. Why does this matter to you? What is it to you? In a time of impermanence and fly-by-night relationships, these people over here want the same chance at permanence and happiness that is your option. They don’t want to deny you yours. They don’t want to take anything away from you. They want what you want — a chance to be a little less alone in the world.
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Only now you are saying to them — no. You can’t have it on these terms. Maybe something similar. If they behave. If they don’t cause too much trouble. You’ll even give them all the same legal rights — even as you’re taking away the legal right, which they already had. A world around them, still anchored in love and marriage, and you are saying, no, you can’t marry. What if somebody passed a law that said you couldn’t marry?I keep hearing this term “re-defining” marriage.
If this country hadn’t re-defined marriage, black people still couldn’t marry white people. Sixteen states had laws on the books which made that illegal… in 1967. 1967.
The parents of the President-Elect of the United States couldn’t have married in nearly one third of the states of the country their son grew up to lead. But it’s worse than that. If this country had not “re-defined” marriage, some black people still couldn’t marry…black people. It is one of the most overlooked and cruelest parts of our sad story of slavery. Marriages were not legally recognized, if the people were slaves. Since slaves were property, they could not legally be husband and wife, or mother and child. Their marriage vows were different: not “Until Death, Do You Part,” but “Until Death or Distance, Do You Part.” Marriages among slaves were not legally recognized.
You know, just like marriages today in California are not legally recognized, if the people are… gay.
And uncountable in our history are the number of men and women, forced by society into marrying the opposite sex, in sham marriages, or marriages of convenience, or just marriages of not knowing — centuries of men and women who have lived their lives in shame and unhappiness, and who have, through a lie to themselves or others, broken countless other lives, of spouses and children… All because we said a man couldn’t marry another man, or a woman couldn’t marry another woman. The sanctity of marriage. How many marriages like that have there been and how on earth do they increase the “sanctity” of marriage rather than render the term, meaningless?
What is this, to you? Nobody is asking you to embrace their expression of love. But don’t you, as human beings, have to embrace… that love? The world is barren enough.
It is stacked against love, and against hope, and against those very few and precious emotions that enable us to go forward. Your marriage only stands a 50-50 chance of lasting, no matter how much you feel and how hard you work.
And here are people overjoyed at the prospect of just that chance, and that work, just for the hope of having that feeling. With so much hate in the world, with so much meaningless division, and people pitted against people for no good reason, this is what your religion tells you to do? With your experience of life and this world and all its sadnesses, this is what your conscience tells you to do?
With your knowledge that life, with endless vigor, seems to tilt the playing field on which we all live, in favor of unhappiness and hate… this is what your heart tells you to do? You want to sanctify marriage? You want to honor your God and the universal love you believe he represents? Then Spread happiness — this tiny, symbolic, semantical grain of happiness — share it with all those who seek it. Quote me anything from your religious leader or book of choice telling you to stand against this. And then tell me how you can believe both that statement and another statement, another one which reads only “do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”
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You are asked now, by your country, and perhaps by your creator, to stand on one side or another. You are asked now to stand, not on a question of politics, not on a question of religion, not on a question of gay or straight. You are asked now to stand, on a question of…love. All you need do is stand, and let the tiny ember of love meet its own fate. You don’t have to help it, you don’t have it applaud it, you don’t have to fight for it. Just don’t put it out. Just don’t extinguish it. Because while it may at first look like that love is between two people you don’t know and you don’t understand and maybe you don’t even want to know…It is, in fact, the ember of your love, for your fellow **person…
Just because this is the only world we have. And the other guy counts, too.
This is the second time in ten days I find myself concluding by turning to, of all things, the closing plea for mercy by Clarence Darrow in a murder trial.
But what he said, fits what is really at the heart of this:
“I was reading last night of the aspiration of the old Persian poet, Omar-Khayyam,” he told the judge.
“It appealed to me as the highest that I can vision. I wish it was in my heart, and I wish it was in the hearts of all:
“So I be written in the Book of Love;
“I do not care about that Book above.
“Erase my name, or write it as you will,
“So I be written in the Book of Love.”
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Good night, and good luck.




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moved – but that’s just meI watched Keith Olbermann as usual this evening and was moved by his (special) comments. It makes sense to me; but I am “the choir” already. Did he move the hearts of the voters who denied human rights?
How many unadopted babies, how many Matthew Shepards, how many bi-teen suicides, etc. will it take? The answer is blowin’ somewhere but I don’t know. Too much idiotic wind noise from the Fred Phelpses and the Jim Dobsons. God creates mix-genders but not all so called “Christians” are ready to wash their feet and accept their gentle presence.
Consequently we hear some gentle souls getting rather rowdy these days.
Good job butI am still disturbed after listening to NPR today where an African American Lesbian from LA who wrote an op ed piece for the LA Sunday times was interviewed. She seemed to be very angry and not willing to let people express their views. I was very interested in what she had to say and thought they needed to commit more than 20 minutes to the topic. She felt the proposition was very much so a “white issue” and the leaders did not go about organizing in the most effective way. They needed to include more people of color on their planning boards and needed to recognize the importance of the church on the lives of people of color. Does anyone have a link to this interview or a suggestion of how I could find it?
I found itHer name is Jasmyn Cannick
I really want to know what others think about this interview.
http://www.npr.org/templates/r…
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I can’tend my day without Mr. Olbermann and Ms. Maddow. Keith’s Special Comment had me crying my eyes out. WOW! Thank You Mr. Olbermann!
I’ve come to the conclusion……that she’s an attention-whoring race baiter of the lowest order.
How many times has that woman bitched and complained about not having received an engraved invitation to be Leader of the Movement? (Who the hell does she think sends them out?) So odd, considering how many times she’s made perfectly clear that she couldn’t care less about gay rights.
You are not alone, I was crying, a happy and sad cry at the same time. He said what needed to be said. The heart of this issue is LOVE.
Nice..BUT…he doesn’t address the'fact' that they are going to teach kids to be gay in school!....Thats what my friend in LA said, just today…couldn't believe it! She even has gay friends!! They truly believe it is trainable or catchingand don't want it for their children. GAAAHHHH!
Anyway…where were all these ‘SUPPORTERS” before we LOST????
I appreciate his empathy and yetat the same time I feel like I personally moved past the heart string argument four years ago after my first marriage at City Hall.
At that time the conversation was all about letting the world know that our love is just the same as theirs.
Since then 30 amendments have passed and the country elected an African American man that can’t bring himself to speak about the importance of maintaining the integrity of equal protections.
This issue has evolved from being a lesson in love into a matter of citizenship and justice…and it’s about fucking time.
Thanks for noticing us, Keith…now catch up. Yes, you can.
That’s what I find so contemptible in pro8 campaignThey did the same thing – find where majority’s fears are and use those irrational fears to get your vote through. Just like years ago (and probably to a degree still) whites were afraid of blacks’ “deviant” oversexuality, black men killing white men and raping white women; just like years ago, the Nazis used the idea of Jewish men lusting after and sexually demoralizing Aryan females (not to mention the “depraved” Jewish women using sex as a tool); so today the majority is clearly still afraid of gay men turning their kids gay. The cries of “will somebody think of the children?” have been to loud. And successful.
Absolutely brilliantPam, this says it all. If Olbermann’s words don’t move someone’s heart, nothing at all will. Thanks so much for posting this, I’m going to copy it in my blog as well.
I disagree with many of youI think that Obama has made quite clear hints where he stands on the issue. His comparison of equal rights for women and blacks (remember when he was talking about this really old woman, who knew the time long before any rights) and his phrase about where we are going, where the country will be years from now… The phrase when he was talking about the change we’ll bring… To me, this clearly speaks of LGBT equality in rights. There is no other civil rights issue right now so much at the center of the country’s attention. I hope that this is what he meant. I would feel personally fooled if I turn out to be wrong.
Obama is clearly an attorney. And as an attorney in training, I think that part of his speech was directed at us – LGBT folk. It seems clear to me. But maybe it’s just wishful thinking. Will have to wait and see.
Yeah, but it is still about love after allI agree Patrick, it’s not just about being all lovey dovey, it is about fundamental rights, citizenship, the equal protection of the laws, liberty and justice for all – everything that America is and has been and will be.
But Olbermann, a straight man, has just done us a beautiful service here, a magnificent thing. This will touch other straight people’s hearts who would listen forever to our rational arguments completely unmoved, who would never, ever listen to us no matter what we said or did; but they have heard him, and some of them, I am certain, have just had a change of mind and heart. Maybe not completely; but the seed has been planted.
And all the rights and all the laws exist for this purpose: to give love a place to bloom and grow and root itself; they are the means, not the end.
So while I’m no less angry at the many and awful injustices we face, I’m very deeply grateful for what this man has just done. I hope upon a little reflection, you will be too.
Sometimes, just to spite the Prop 8 folks… …I soooo want to marry a gay man. I am a lesbian and a transwoman. I would love so much just to push the marriage hot button; the marriage partners would be as gay as we can be, yet it’s not a same sex marriage. Wouldn’t that scramble a few fundie brain cells?
Further, since there’s no way I am going to be able to reproduce, so we would have to adopt; but hey, there’s a male and female together, so it must be okay, no?
Thank you KeithKnew we could count you as a friend
top reason to legalize gay marriagewe can’t ALL marry Liza
Right now I’m a bit low on phMaybe with time I can reflect on his words and find their sentiment influential and persuasive. If I were straight and not married to a man, I might even be moved.
But it’s been one week and I’m still drowning in acid.
Somebody send this guy an ally pin…..once we have settled on a design.
/snark
Seriously, Mr. Olbermann, thank you. I hope Obama and Biden are listening.
That was one of the mostmoving, eloquent and exquisite commentaries I’ve ever seen. On any topic. Anywhere. The man looked like he was on the verge of tears. I never write to pundits, newspaper editors or anything like that, but I think I will drop him a note. God Bless you, Mr. Olbermann.
I so agreeObama is with us. I felt him with me at the 2004 convention speech and I feel him now. I don’t care if he has to give the man and woman bullshit line. He CAN’T say he’s for gay marriage. It’s that fucking word MARRIAGE that gets everyone all tripped up. But he’s always said we will get our rights. I feel him.
KO’s comment fills me with hopeThis makes me even more sure that the passage of Prop. 8, this supposed “huge defeat” for our community, is instead going to have the opposite effect in the long term.
I am more and more convinced that Prop. 8 represents a nationwide tipping point, like when people in the early ’60s saw peaceful civil rights demonstrators attacked with dogs and firehoses and said “Wow, maybe they have a point after all.”
To me, KO’s comment shows that a straight ally can “get it” and that more and more people in that big, mushy middle are “getting it” every day. Even with the full force of millions of dollars worth of lies, the Yes on 8 people could only muster a bare 51% majority this time around – they are on the losing side of history, and they know it. And Prop. 8′s passage has not only galvanized our community (in a way that would have been impossible had it lost – we would easily have slipped back into complacency), it has outraged the nation. Finally, people are seeing the truth. It’s not the end of the struggle, but it’s the tipping point.
So I be written in the Book of Love.Wow……
Someone said nice, decent things about us without a “yes, but”This is a soothing balm on the rage and bile of the last week. The hurt and anger are still there, but the feverish throbbing has receded a bit.
Thanks, Keith, for speaking truth yet again.
!Exactly
The protests are the proof, People are in the streets, and not only in California. New York and Chicago started last week. And now protests are starting all over the nation. I have never been to a protest or in one(I am not counting Pride Parades) But I am going to the one here in Denver coming up.
I hope the protests continue until Marriage for all is the law of the land.
“million dollar lies”I love it.
I have a tendency to tune out……those individuals so ineloquent that “you know” is more frequent in their speech than taking a breath.
I could only stomach about five minutes of this “you know” drivel. BUT: She’s definitely going to get some press for this appearance as ignorance and rigidity, it seems [re: Caribou Barbie], brings the MSM into a lather.
He didn’t have to mention the “teaching homosexuality” bit.The tenor of his missive superseded it.
Granted, it doesn’t always work, but I think in this case it did.
OMG!!Petey said something NICE about someone!
Wonders WILL never cease!!!!
/snark Luuuuuuuuurv you, Petey!! ;)
Keith Olbermannis the “Barbara Walters of MSNBC.”
I wept.
Go Keith…
Keith did a good job, and he’s great to have as an ally. Yes, the love aspect is important, but we got that anyway, even if we are still “livin’ in sin” =). But Marriage Equality is still about guaranteeing that our spouses and kids have the same legal protections that the families of straight couples have. And I don’t care how good CA’s civil union laws are. Thy still aren’t equality.
You better add the snarkHad the pinecones ready!
We watched this comment from KO live then again when rebroadcast. I thought it was well done, honest and hopefully a beginning to get allies to become far more VOCAL AND VISIBLE in their support, rather than an assumed position.
Let’s have more of this, from both those with an audience and those who do not. The question needs to be asked whenever possible (SIMPLIFIED):
DO YOU SUPPORT GAY RIGHTS?
Or we cansend a selection! Frankly, I think that there’s plenty of room for individual expression.
But kinda glad for safety reason that we only have one symbol on the roads that means “STOP”…
Of course Obama is on our sideWhat other candidate has mentioned our community in EVERY major speech? His declaration of candidacy, his acceptance of his nomination, his “closing” speech a week before the election, and his victory speech? NONE. He came out multiple times against prop 8. What other major party presidential candidate has taken a stand FOR our community on a state issue so close to his own election, which could still go either way? NO ONE. He wouldn’t take the risk of consistently including us if he wasn’t on our side.
Well, yes, but…I can’t believe nobody’s commented on this: he sounds like he’s saying he doesn’t personally know any of us, but last I looked, Rachel Maddow was still a lesbian. I’m just sayin’,
I’m quite fond of Keith and it WAS a very nice speech, truly, but I guess I’m just not as terribly grateful as some people here that someone spoke up for us. As someone here said: the love, we already have. Now we want our fucking rights.
I also think we should be using these nationwide protests to highlight the injustice of the defeats in AR, FL, & AZ as well. Not to play “who-is-more-wretched” but I suspect the LGBT folk in, say, Arkansas, might appreciate the help as much or more than the kids in San Diego, eh?
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Simple, effective, and would look good enamelled.
Good, Except…
I’m sure this was just added to remove any hint of bias in his comments, however, it seems odd since Rachel follows him and they seem to be pretty chummy.
Oh, and I really wish he would put a moratorium on naming Bill O the worst person for at least a few weeks.
I think he meant friendsNot professional colleagues. I don’t think he knew Rachel before she began appearing on his show (IIRC, that was just in the last year) and while he did push the powers that be at MSNBC to get her a show, I don’t know if they are truly friends outside of the office. Quite frankly, I would guess Maddow tries to keep a distance from Olbermann, if only to ensure she has her own voice and is not seen as a mini-Keith.
As for the comment, I saw it on the repeat and wasn’t as moved as the rest of you, but I’d already seen the posts on dKos about the comment, so I knew it was good. Now if we see Olbermann protesting on Saturday (we need a few more good straight celebrities like Drew Barrymore to fight with us), then I’ll be really impressed.
I don’t know if he’ll be re-running it or posting the audio, but Mike Signorile had a 15 – 20 minute discussion with a Mormon caller on his show yesterday that was incredible. He managed to keep his cool while challenging her positions, but just could not get her to see that her private religious beliefs have no place in the public policy sphere. It was an amazing interchange, though.
we need more allies like KOI watched this online last night, it’s among the most moving things about prop 8 I’ve heard the entire week since it passed. I hope that every straight person that hears this is moved to action, and to join us as allies in our struggle for full equality.
I loved Olbermann, but…I also found Jasmyne Cannick’s critique to be cogent and very pointedly correct. The white, upper-middle class gay males that run the show have lost all touch with the fact that just because they want something doesn’t mean they have to pay no attention to the various elements it will take to open civil rights to a population that makes-up less than 10% of the population to include gays, lesbians, bi-sexuals and transgender folk of various types.
The two dismissals far above here simply reek of “better-than” and “whaddya have to tell me, I know it all.” As she pointed out quite well, we couldn’t even manage to get mailings into the black community in LA. Now, just exactly how smart was that?
Olbermann’s words were moving and absolutely on-target. They made me cry and hope. But as a group we manage to act in our campaigns as though there were some universal right to be heard and heeded that we have.
Perhaps the ability to actually sit one’s self down and HEAR pointed and possibly valuable criticism would be a misplaced effort. In fact, it might be an excellent idea about how to go about the next campaign.
I find it ironic to a terrible extent that we who wish to be heard off-handedly dismiss another, perhaps very helpful voice who didn’t sound at all as if she were race-baiting, but sounded as if she might just have some input for the gay white males that would be of value to them, and all the rest of us.
Yes, we won the Mission and Castro and Marin County. But where the heck did we show up in Oakland and central LA?
If rights were as simple as “well everyone gets the same ones, period. The there would be no reason to have had any campaign; the effort would have been moot. In that there is a need to campaign, then perhaps we need to actually listen and make use of resources that would be available to us to help us win greater percentages of the people whose votes can assist us.
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I Watched ittwice as well and taped it for my wife when she came home from work. It was very moving, and we do need more of this.
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After listening to (most of) Cannick’s interview and reading her editorial,I have to conclude she’s willfully blind re: white LGBT commitment to other justice movements. Sure, there are white LGBT people (and allies) who don’t work to end poverty and homelessness, who don’t do what they can to bring about racial equality, or are even outright racist. There are plenty of others who are out front working for an inclusive society for all people. (Not to mention, there are white LGBT people who live in poverty, even some who are homeless.) Okay, maybe the No on 8 leadership didn’t do a good job of reaching out to the black community. How about offering constructive suggestions instead of making it clear she doesn’t give a damn about her LGBT brothers and sisters of any color?
I do think she has a good point about the inextricable connection between the civil rights movement and the black church, but I wish she’d consider some positive approaches to engage dialogue instead of blowing off people who who don’t immediately get what she’s saying. She’s just alienating potential allies.
Cannick’s Op-EdA lot can be said about Cannick’s opinion on Prop 8. I think she presents a false dichotomy by essentially saying that gay rights can’t matter to blacks or black gays until their equal rights as citizens are taken care of. Of course their equal individual civil rights should be taken care of. But, what rang loud and clear to me is that she is biased against white gay men who have a lot of money and thinks that civil marriage rights are some kind of luxury for white gays. If others in the black community see the white gay community through those eyes, no wonder it didn’t pass. Marriage equality would certainly help struggling black gay men and women, by allowing guaranteed hospital visitation, spousal co-insurance through almost all employers, immediate property transfer rights without probate, co-parenting rights, tax breaks, the ability for one person to not work if they are ill if they have the ability to file jointly (at the federal level), etc., etc., etc. I think this vote shows that black people in CA are basically giving their finger to any white person who compares the fight for civil rights as a gay person with the fight for civil rights for blacks to marry one another or for blacks and whites to marry. Obviously, black people experienced slavery, which is not comparable in the least with the issue of gay marriage. I think it is more closely comparable with individual gay rights (abolishment of sodomy laws, etc.) but no white gay people have ever been slaves. How can that be the bar that needs to be passed when arguing about equality? If it is, gay marriage is doomed. And to withhold a vote on marriage equality based on her arguments just seems without logic. I can understand the frustration and hostility contained in years and years of black voters not having a real choice on election day. But to direct that emotion toward gay people regarding Prop 8 seems like a misdirection. It concerns me that her view of white gays is such a stereotype. White gays and black gays shouldn’t have to be required to explain themselves to others in order to have equal rights under civil law. I don’t think any gay people were making it a war against the Church. Just some churches who do not represent true Christianity in their minds. There are lots of churches out there who are not anti-gay in any sense of the word. If the black community’s view of church is as limited as their view of gays, then they should broaden their horizons a little bit more. People who do not broaden their horizons shouldn’t be allowed to vote away other people’s rights.
LastlyI think that, personally, I can understand a black vote in CA against marriage equality, if it was coming from a place of “what? gay equality before us? no f-ing way, they can wait….we had to wait a lot longer….” I agree, blacks are still waiting for equality. I think blacks should come first because of it. But, it was pretty sad for all us gay white folks who have been waiting for their chance to somehow try to prove they are not racist, who voted Obama in overwhelmingly, to see that the favor was not returned on gay issues. I think blacks and gays share the struggle of paranoia in life, and wondering when they will truly find acceptance. This is why the church is so important to both groups (believe it or not about gays).
From on old 60′s hippie, congrats on your first demonstrationYou’ll have fun.
NarraI don’t think people are comparing the horrors of slavery to the gay marriage issue. If they were, there would be no comparison. The issue is a matter of one group of people singled out for discrimination, which is why many are disappointed in the large numbers of blacks who voted for prop 8. I don’t think most people really understood the long term complications of such a vote, only that they were “protecting marriage” somehow. Also, gays HAVE faced discrimination, violence and rejection for centuries. Many are disappointed because gays have also been on the forefront of the civil rights movement for blacks. I guess we assumed we would have the same embracing from the black community. THAT’S why we’re disappointed.
Leave the acid behindLove is the only way man. Hate and bitterness and all those acidic feelings wont’ get us anywhere.
Remember when Yugoslavia was falling apart into fifty little states? I saw a report one time, they went around to every little ethnic group and asked What’s your problem with the other people.
And everybody they asked said Oh those people over there, they are awful, they’re horrible, they’re nasty, they did this and that . . . one guy actually said “and they all smell like onions.” LOL!
All that hatred, all that acid . . . nobody reached out, nobody talked, nobody tried to see the other guy’s point of view. And you know what happened. Thousands and thousands of people died, and today all these little bitty countries over there, no more Yugoslavia.
I know there’s more to the story, I’m just making an analogy: we absolutely cannot give in to the bitterness, we cannot repay in kind, we must absolutely forswear vengeance and retaliation and every angry deed. We have to have some humility here.
We gay people are sometimes pretty fabulous, true . . . lol . . . BUT even we are NOT the center of the universe. God or [insert divinity/spiritual force here] loves us, yeah.
But God loves THEM too. We must remember that. The world did not spring into being only for us LGBT folk. We are just one little 5 percent. They are the 95 percent. We aren’t the center of the world. It behooves us to act with patience, kindness, and a deep understanding of the diversity of human life.
I’m mad too, make no mistake. A big injustice was done last week. But WE need to stop and consider: the vast majority of people probably did not vote for Prop 8 because they hate us. They voted that way because THEY feel threatened and afraid at some level. It was fear, not hate, that motivated most people. Yelling and cursing and behaving like wildeyed jackasses will not reduce their fear level, and thus will not get us the votes we need for equality.
Peaceful protests are fine – but we as a group need to simmer down just a bit and take a clear, cold, sober look at what happened and why. We need to talk with those folks who voted the other way, find out why, address those fears and concerns. They’re scared of us. We need to make them less scared. Not more.
Which is all summed up this way: Love your enemies, bless them that persecute you, do good to them who despitefully use you. There’s a whole lotta wisdom there that we ALL need to reflect on now.
Great pointYeah, he’s the first and so far only President-elect who’s made sure to mention THE GAYS in his victory night speech. So yeah, I do believe his heart is in the right place.
But he was elected president, not king. He can’t just wave his scepter and say, boing, okay you’re all equal now. He has to get the OTHER 95 percent of the country to come to a consensus too.
Something we all need to keep in mind. Sure we deserve a place at the table. But there are 19 other places at that table to our 1.
Same hereI even had tears and I’m straight..