Dana Milbank at the WaPo delivers a stunning and accurate smackdown to the misguided, misleading and unhinged Elaine Donnelly of The Center for Military Readiness, who testified at yesterday’s House Armed Services personnel subcommittee hearing on the law known as Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.
Donnelly treated the panel to an extraordinary exhibition of rage. She warned of “transgenders in the military.” She warned that lesbians would take pictures of people in the shower. She spoke ominously of gays spreading “HIV positivity” through the ranks.“We’re talking about real consequences for real people,” Donnelly proclaimed. Her written statement added warnings about “inappropriate passive/aggressive actions common in the homosexual community,” the prospects of “forcible sodomy” and “exotic forms of sexual expression,” and the case of “a group of black lesbians who decided to gang-assault” a fellow soldier.
At the witness table with Donnelly, retired Navy Capt. Joan Darrah, a lesbian, rolled her eyes in disbelief. Retired Marine Staff Sgt. Eric Alva, a gay man who was wounded in Iraq, looked as if he would explode.
As I said in my post yesterday, the doyenne of discrimination (who has no military background and zero qualifications of any kind to speak with authority on the subject), actually helps our cause — she had nothing to offer except fear-mongering that was ratcheted so high that Donnelly drew laughter from the gallery. I’m sure from her POV she was successfully laying out her case that The Homosexual Agenda will ruin the military.
The fact of the matter is that America — hell, the world — got to see the public face of the supporters of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, and what they saw, in all its glory, was untethered madness.
Rep. Vic Snyder (D-Ark.) labeled her statement “just bonkers” and “dumb,” and he called her claims about an HIV menace “inappropriate.” Said Snyder: “By this analysis . . . we ought to recruit only lesbians for the military, because they have the lowest incidence of HIV in the country.”…”Like a woman who is stared at, her breasts are stared at,” Donnelly explained. She further explained the “absolutely devastating” effect of homosexuals “introducing erotic factors” and made a comparison to Sen. Larry Craig’s adventure at the Minneapolis airport. She said admitting gays to the military would be “forced cohabitation” and a policy of “relax and enjoy it.”
[Pennsylvania Congressman Patrick]] Murphy puffed his cheeks with air to calm himself.
Thanks, Elaine. You (along with The Peter) are saving us all some lobbying time. Let’s return to the videotape of Elaine’s award-worthy performance. It’s below the fold.
NOTE: This AM, NPR’s Diane Rehm has SLDN Military Advisory Council Member and witness at yesterday’s historic “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” congressional hearing, Captain Joan Darrah, USN (Ret.) to discuss DADT and the public shift in support for lifting the ban.
Related:
* Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell supporter Donnelly provides comic relief during House hearing




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Thank you Elaine Donnelly, I want to personally thank her for showing the true feelings of the anti-gay right wing. With the use of all the fear tactics used by your side, Elaine has shown the silliness that is the base of their arguement.
But just one question Elaine. Do you think the Peter is able to control himself while he is doing research?
I just wanna know…Is “HIV positivity” an elated feeling about the thought of people living longer despite contracting HIV? Cause if it’s not then it should be. I quite like the idea of that spreading through the ranks.
Just for everyone’s informationSince Elaine Donnelly shows such concern for those servicemembers living with HIV, I figured I’d soothe her fears and explain DOD policy on the subject.
The last time I heard this brief in 2006, the DOD policy on HIV was this: every military member gets tested every year. Members whose tests come back positive for HIV antibodies are not discharged, but are retained under a medical profile. They are assigned to duty stations which put them within a certain number of miles (50, I think) of a military hospital; not just a clinic, but an actual hospital. Their status becomes non-deployable, and they serve in a shore/garrison billet. Their health is closely monitored. They are expected to maintain military standards of appearance and physical fitness until their doctor says otherwise.
Hardly the “crippling problem” on the military healthcare system Mrs. Donnelly purports it to be. Her cloying false concern is sweet, but she can put it away now. It’s not necessary.
Rep. Patrick MurphyWow, I was impressed with him. We need more fresh blood in Congress like him.
Total DisbeliefI’m in total disbelief. In my 20 years active service, I knew of countless acts of consensual sex aboard Naval Ships at sea, not one homosexual. I’ve heard of many rapes, not one homosexual. I’m wondering where Ms. Donnelly is getting her information. The Gay’s and Lesbian’s I served with were the best and the brightest in each command I served. Yes we were there, we continue to be there and we will always be there, whether we are allowed to serve openly or not, we will serve.
Ms Donnelly should look to countries like England and all the other countries who allow Gay’s to serve openly, nothing she says will happen have happened.
The Right needs to get a clue.
Well actually she expresses the same position Markos Moulitsas expressed.Elaine Donnelly is actually expressing the same opinion that Markos Moulitsas of DailyKos has expressed.
By the way, Moulitsas has admitted at DK that he authored the above opinion.
Personally…I’d hate to be held accountable for everything I said as a college freshman. I’d like to think I’ve learned a few things since then.
Yes, there was a huge amount of concern–15 years ago. Experience has shown those fears were not grounded in reality.
She really did make an ass of herself.I caught the last couple minutes of this on C-Span2 last night. She really was trying to interrupt (again thinking that she was being interviewed by Fox) and act like she owned the place. Unfortunately for her, congresspeople aren’t easily intimidated and Ellen Tauscher also told her to shut up. I also got the impression that Christopher Shays, a republican from Connecticut, was also siding with getting rid of DADT. The whole thing is available at C-Span’s website, for some reason it only works with IE though.
http://www.c-span.org/
Horray for Elaine Donnelly!She’s so Bat-$h!T-Crazy that as the Face of DADT she may be the driving force behind repealing that absurd law.
I hope she speaks more often. It makes people like Sgt. Alva & Rep. Murphy sound even more awesome than they already are and the Pro-DADT people sound like the crazy, hateful bigots that they are.
Speaking of Sgt. Alva & Rep. Murphy. THANK YOU SIRS! Thank you for the great service you still give to this country as we all saw yesterday.
and has he since expressed a change of heart?can you let us know one way or the other? otherwise, what he said 15 years ago is almost meaningless.
He has also admitted……that he was wrong about it and that it is not his current position. He was young, naïve (and a Republican) who hadn’t had the life experiences that make him who he is today.
Oh dear.I’m watching the whole thing now. She comes in at around the 28 minute mark and hits the ground running with “the San Francisco left” and something about Hollywood. There almost needs to be a drinking game with these words and her 1980′s paranoid arguments. The reactionary right always gives a hysterical “well, what if…?” instead of a real argument and people believe it for some reason. Ugh.
Larry Craig on DADTPageOneQ covers Larry Craig’s continued support of DADT (“It is unacceptable to risk the lives of American soldiers and sailors merely to accommodate the sexual lifestyles of certain individuals.”).
btw, no peepout of Freeperland, Red State or WND about Elaine’s stellar performance…
Hypocrisythe Republican Trademark.
Larry “Wide-Stance” Craig should be the last Repug. Tool to have anything to say about DADT.
Um…when are they going to cart her away? She’s clearly not well…wow. Get the tranquilizers and the net ready.
She has more issues than Newsweek. A truly fucked up puppy if ever there was one.
she’s SO out of it The paramilitary orgs like peace officers have to share similar situations that soldiers do.
A committed gym goer shouldn’t worry about the orientation of the women using the next locker or shower stall.
Who does Donnelly think she’s talking to? Cowards like HER?!
Ms. Donnelly and all the rest should take heed at those of us with empirical experience with gay folks. It’s not that the devil has infected our thoughts that we can in all honesty defend gay folks.
It’s simply a matter of not bearing any animus, fear or being ignorant and easily swayed by defamation and lies.
It’s these chicken littles that are truly pathetic in their panic. It’s unfounded and makes them all look like the asses they are.
So?And Hillary Clinton was a Goldwater Republican when she was a freshman. What’s your point?
Also HIV is not dependent on closet status; she ignores the tens of thousands already serving in silence. If there were any truth at all in her outrageously bigoted HIV comments, the military would already have been overrun with it in 1981.
Elaine fails to mention straight and lesbian women are threatened for sexService men who try to have sex with either straight or lesbian women, and if the women refuse they call them lesbian.
Ending DADT would benefit both straight women and lesbians by removing that blackmail threat.
I know of at least oneI know of at least one transgendered soldier, from 1986 to 1991: Me. I had 4.0 overall evals up until I was “outed” and suddenly they went down to overall 2.1. They even attempted to say that my work was no longer adequate. Get that? I went from having the highest marks and the reputation as the go to person in the airframes shop to some faggoty dirtbag, all because my ex-roomate got drunk one night and ran his mouth to save his own worthless ass. Of course this was before “don’t ask, don’t tell” and there is nothing, (at least at that time), against wanting to change one’s gender in the UCMJ, (Unified Code of Military Justice), so I was never even accused of breaking the law or of violating the UCMJ. They just took my job and my benefits and training and and rank and threw all of it away. My drunken roomie? He had gotten picked up for drunk driving and used his knowlege of me as a distraction for his crimes. It worked too. The Navy went to bat for him with SDPD, (yes, San Diego Autumn), and he got off with a fine. The Navy didn’t even take a stripe from him. I’ll bet Donnelly would have cheered about my case. Everybody knows that one of those awfuol transfolks is waaaaay worse than a repeat drunk driver.
Gurrrl…she’s got so many issues that she’s a full subscription.
I talked with Markos in Austin……a couple of years ago about this very subject and much as I disagree with some of his points of view, he is either the best actor on the planet or he is genuinely ashamed of that piece. To his credit, he didn’t try to deny it or say that he was “taken out of context” or anything of that nature. In my opinion, he has changed his mind and he has done so genuinely. Keep in mind, I like some of what he believes but I have fussed with him on many occasions and I wouldn’t be defending him on this if I didn’t believe he has had a authentic change of heart
Similar fear, similar rebuttalOne of Patrick Murphy’s rebuttals to Donnelly’s fear mongering is perfectly suitable to the transgender washroom argument: “If there is misconduct, there are regulations (laws) to deal with misconduct” What if someone is assualted by a gay person (or a “man in a dress”)? Report it and have them prosecuted.
She says she’s against DADT.. because it’s not extreme enough. Ask, tell and witch hunt anyone who fails to demonstrate straightness. I think the Sgt. Maj. agreed, but he was too incoherent in questioning to be sure. Of course, their opposition to repeal is the same as supporting DADT.
Donnelly also objected to the vicious and harmful stereotype that gay men make good linguists, so calling gay & lesbian soldiers “the best and the brightest” is also out of bounds I am afraid.
Where did this person come from?!Who picked Ms. Donnelly to represent the anti-gay side here, anyway?! The first time I looked at the quotes from her testimony I seriously wondered if Pelosi or somebody had intentionally chosen the pro-DADT representative on the basis of who would make that side look ridiculous D: If on the other hand this is the best the right can field to defend DADT, the policy should be easier to overturn than I thought…
too badthey didn’t have shirley phelps testify. the repeal could have been passed on the spot.
The Post reportmade the same point… That if Pelosi et al. had wanted to pick someone to discredit the anti-repeal side, they couldn’t have done much better. She really hurt her own side; any Congresscritter looking for cover to vote against repeal is going to have trouble using her testimony to justify it.
Really couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of people, could it?
She would have been more credible.At least she would’ve be willing to admit that she was actually out to hate gays.
25 years agoI was working for a provincial(autonomous state) government full of Franco appointees, I was identified as straight and was getting married shortly.
Times change, so do people.
I just saw an interesting ad I was watching the History channel and I saw an interesting ad for the Army. The narrator was talking up diversity and while he didn’t specifically mention LGBT, the services have been fully integrated since the 1950s and I have never seen a spot from them bragging about racial diversity. He finished with a catchy, “A diverse Army is a strong Army”. I’m wondering if they are finally going to read the handwriting on the wall and we can welcome them into the 21st century….
Squeaky cleanFor fifteen years, I’ve wondered how much time the military requires soldiers to spend in the shower. It must be several hours a day, because the shower issue seems to be so important to this discussion. It’s an obsession.
Poor LarryOf course he supports it, the term makes up two of his three moral tenets,
Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, Don’t Get Caught
It’s always the last one that gets him jammed up.
Oh dear Margaret,I’m sorry to have to be the one to tell you, but by diversity they mean a wide variety of excused felons being enticed into the ranks. And when they speak of tolerance, it is about members of rival gangs tolerating one another while in uniform and wielding the deadly weapons Papa George kindly gave them.
Or more to the point,they “tolerate” coercive evangelism by right-wing totalitarian chaplains who think it’s their job to serve their denomination rather than their soldiers.
He commented briefly online……calling his 1993 view a “stupid-ass Republican belief”, of the sort he held prior to his political evolution.
It’s in response to this comment. Scroll down a bit….
Oh pleaseHe’s a natural born drama queen, isn’t he?
You do risk people’s lives, however, by recruiting feeble-minded felons, gang-members, and other assorted rejects rather than the best and most qualified people for dangerous jobs–as judged using meaningful, relevant criteria. Crawl back into your stall, Larry.
to be honest,i don’t much care whether kos still thinks that way or not. it’s more that i smelled a dirty hit in francis’s post. anyone who drops 15 year old dirty laundry in an unrelated diary, without any effort at mentioning the current state of affairs, indicated to me that someone just has an ax to grind. such posts really bring the level of the place down.
Yeah, I remember……that Francis has this campaign going against Markos, but I don’t remember why. Posting this attack is probably less conducive to his goal than writing about whatever the underlying issue is.
I just wanted to provide a authoritative footnote, mainly.
much appreciatedthanks for doing the digging.
Can’t You Just Picture The Recruiter InterviewingRecruiter: “So, I see here the two people you killed were both with a single bullet from a semiautomatic to the head from a distance of 500 yards, is that correct?”
Candidate: “Yep”
Recruiter: “Scope”
Candidate: “Aries MK 390″
Recruiter: “Nice, well, being already familiar with a weapon and obviously demonstrating your skill with a target, you might qualify for Sniper School”
Candidate: “Kewl”
Recruiter: “Plus, joining today the army will double your enlistment bonus, that’s cash in hand that will help pay on your victim restitution.”
Candidate: “Where do I sign?”
Recruiter: “On the line at the bottom, just let me slide the paperwork through the glass.”
Take it as read that she’s… reality challengedBut I also think she was bullied.
The first part I’ll describe as this:
Senator: Statement giving street-cred.
Senator: Statement of nutcase’s views
Senator: Reformulation and distortion of nutcase’s views
Nutcase: Answer to former question
Nutcase: Refutation of distortion
Nutcase: Reality-challenged babble*INTERRUPTED*
Senator: Restatement of distortion
Nutcase: Statement regarding sex in military*INTERRUPTED*
Senator: Valid points regarding UCMJ
Senator: Ritual obeisance to National Icons
Nutcase: Telling and useful example*INTERRUPTED*
Senator: Talks over Nutcase
There was a lot about who had the power in that room, but precious little that contributed to the debate.
Letting her rave on without interruption would have shown just how looney she is, and also exposed the occasional flawed diamond hidden in the midden-heap. We have a mountain of evidence on our side, we don’t need to bully those who are… reality-challenged.
If we allow such bullying behaviour to continue unchallenged, it will be used, and with much greater effect, against us.
Respectfully disagree.I think Murphy handled the discussion as well as could be expected when one of the participants was a bona fide nutcase, and a disingenuous nutcase to boot. Donnelly – whether deliberately, or because she just couldn’t make the distinction – didn’t answer Murphy’s question; she started free-associating about 35-year-old case histories and her darkest fantasies. If I ask you a question about A, and you start giving me an answer about B, in that situation I have a responsibility as the facilitator to hold you to task and steer the question/answer back to A, not B. We’re talking about a Congressional hearing here. The participants’ time is valuable. Irrelevancies waste everyone’s time and do not contribute to the debate. The good news here is Donnelly proving herself, once again, a walking, talking irrelevancy.
The highest percentage of new HIV cases in AmericaAre among heterosexual black women.
Not quite the demograph The Harpy typically spends her time denigrating, but I’m sure she could fit them in if she practiced some time management. Meanwhile the Shrubberies will continue their practice of abstinence-only sex ed and block access to condoms in both America and developing countries.
About those gym locker rooms…I hate the locker room at the gym. Most of those women are nasty. It was the same story in boot camp, and uring deployment. If I had ANY sexual thoughts at all during boot camp or while on the ship, it was in some alternate reality somewhere. I wouldn’t have hit any of those women with a stick.
Seriously, during basic you have just enough time in the shower to wash, rinse, get out, dry, get dressed, and get your ass back to your bunk to stand at attention for personnel inspection. Hardly time enough to think, let alone stop and take pictures on your iPhone like The Harpy seems to think will happen.
BTW, the only people I knew who were gettin’ it on during boot camp where a couple of guys in my brother division who were banging the two nastiest whores in mine during planned rendezvous at 0200 in the laundry room. At 0200 those of us with brains would much rather SLEEP.
I went through DLI!!!At least a full quarter of the population attending DLI at any given moment is some flavor of queer. I wouldn’t call that stereotype vicious and harmful, merely accurate.
Bear in mind that the MI ratings/MOS tend to be filled with highly intelligence people with critical thinking skills. These folks are far more accepting of LGB people than your average infantry grunt. As a result, more LGB people feel comfortable coming out to their unit than those working in the average infantry unit. Same could be said for the medical profession, or any other job requiring a high ASVAB score. The numbers are almost misleading in that there’s no reason to believe that there’s a higher percentage of LGB personnel in the MI, medical, aviation, or electronics jobs. They merely feel more comfortable coming out there because their buddies tend to be smarter and more open-minded.
***Disclaimer: I say LGB and not LGBT because I never personally encountered any transgendered folks while on active duty, nor have I since encountered any in the defense industry as a civilian. So I can’t realistically speak to their presence. However, based on experience, I think it likely that medical and MI personnel would react better than the rest of America tends to do. Not as well as we’d like, but still better. This was in no way intended to be a slight to any of our transgendered brothers and sisters.
Agree with ExHackThe Harpy couldn’t answer a simple question: how many countries allow gays to serve openly and which ones, if any, have reported serious problems. Rather than provide answers to the question, which was “24″ and “none” The Harpy went off on this tangent about rising transgender numbers in Britain. The question was addressed by another senator during his time ( I forget who) because she couldn’t or wouldn’t state a simple fact.
Who needs facts?“How do I know… The Bible tells me so…”
GAYS IN THE MLITARYI spent two years on active duty in the army and two years active reserve, serving with ordinary guys. They had a lot of things on their minds, but fear of gays was not one of them. I got along with my group just fine. I never tried to hide anything, but I didn’t talk about ir either. I was just using “don’t ask, don’t tell” long before it was named.
From a practical stanpoint, only a fool would talk about sexual orientation in the military anyway.